+1 y1. the justice system is imperfect (duh)
2. someone being wrongly executed is... troubling
3. even when the imperfect system gets it "right" due to the beautiful judicial system in America the death penalty costs significantly more, after all the appeals and judicial hoops, than it does to just put someone away in prison for life
4. there's no legit evidence that the death penalty deters crime
So, logically, the death penalty just doesn't work in Murrrica. I understand the emotion of it. If someone ruthlessly killed a friend/sibling/family member, I'd want them to fry... but like the judicial system in general, we have to take a step back from injecting our own emotions and think about what makes sense in the bigger picture.00 Reply
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+1 yThere DO exist some mentally-damaged individuals devoid of empathy whose behavior is like that of a rabid dog. A 'three strikes' violent offender ISN'T prone to change. We don't 'warehouse' rabid dogs for their lifetime; we euthanize them for the public's safety. A 'superMax' incarceration works out to being a safety risk for the corrections officers AND costs the Tax Payer $65,000/yr. ... and for what?
To assuage society's conscience that they're being merciful by not ENDING a self-professed Predator?00 Reply
1.2K opinions shared on Society & Politics topic. I’m against the death penalty. I don’t believe that any human should kill anyone, for any reason.
It makes no sense to say that killing is illegal, but only when certain people do it. Government employees shouldn’t have the right to do that either. The same law should go for everyone.12 Reply- +1 y
Well-said!
+1 yYes. Besides, they'd be doing limited prisons and the environment a favor. Overpopulation control.
Killing people is horrible, but it can be justified if there's nothing else to do.00 Reply
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+1 yI flip flop on this soooo fucking much.
i believe yes they should and the odd innocent is a price we pay.
Then I’m like yeah bit draconian.
I've spoken to some seriously fucked up prisoners as one of our counsellors also did consoling at Whitemoor in Cambridgeshire, I went along as note taker and as part of counselling experience.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HM_Prison_Whitemoor
Whitemoor houses around 500 of the most dangerous prisoners in the UK. The prison has a Dangerous Severe Personality Disorder (DSPD) unit and a Close Supervision Centre (CSC). The centre is a prison inside the prison. Whitemoor does not accept any prisoners who are serving less than 4 years.
Off to work will update lol.22 Reply- +1 y
Mini update as someone mentioned Abortion 🤦
I killed a chicken this morning, shoved it in boiling water then ate the fucker.
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As way of update, I’ve seen some seriously fucked up people and talked , listened to them.
Things like when the police enter a house for a missing person, the bloke when asked where his girlfriend is, calmly points at the TV behind the two police officers, who turn and look n see his girlfriends head.
Where someone has pretty much tortured someone to death or tortured then casually killed.
Historically we would ship a lot of these people off to the US and Australia.
There is also the emotional strain on prison officers, support staff etc with keeping some of these people existing in prison for life.
Historically these were also well attended events, so could make some cash for the community or victims of the crime from ticket sales.
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+1 yAnti death penalty. The government can and DOES make mistakes executing innocent people. we cannot allow them to have this power over the population no matter how much we hate the truly vile pieces of shit that walk our planet. Human beings are fallible and as such make mistakes. but allowing more innocent to accidentally be put to death is something we should never support as a society.
Life in prison for the truly awful is my preferred choice in our world. in a perfect world we could 100% execute the right person every time. but we do not live in such a world.21 Reply- +1 y
Just want to point out the hypocrisy of conservatives on this topic usually. they are all about preaching 'anti-government' but nah that shit is bull when they are totally for government executing people.
Sometimes it doesn't feel like the death penalty was the deterrent we thought it was.
You see murderers almost not afraid of being killed in-action. Or the murder suicides that happened with a few school shootings. It's also disproportionately used against people of color, even likely innocent people have been sent to death.
With President Biden it could end up that the Boston Marathon bomber only goes through with death from fed death row, but they were advocating for that sentence to go through and because of the Supreme Court action.00 Reply- 8.7K opinions shared on Society & Politics topic.
+1 yYes! What's the fucking pint of keeping them alive and surviving on OUR dime for who knows how many decades when they stand no chance of ever getting out? They are a MENACE to society, they've PROVEN they can't live in peace and civility with others so, GET RID OF THEM! What the fuck are we saving them for? It's like getting some milk out of the fridge and noticing it smells bad so, you put it back in the fridge hoping it'll be better tomorrow!
Besides, it MIGHT teach others thinking of doing the same that they won't get away with it!!02 Reply- +1 y
@nachosaresexy Sure it is! How much does electricity or a tab of cyanide cost?
Anonymous(30-35)+1 yIt’s better than easting hundreds of thousands of dollars to keep them locked up and fed three times a day until they die. If they commit heinous crimes, why wouldn’t you execute them? Nobody would feel bad about some robber getting killed by store clerk, or a murderer getting shot by police while fleeing or something. Why is it then that we have to jail them forever if we catch them alive? Death Row inmates who are proven without a doubt to have committed a crime should be executed no slower than a year. People serving 45years+ should just be executed. That’s wayy too long and cost too much to jail someone.
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Opinion Owner+1 y@nachosaresexy attorneys and lawyers colluding to bank and stall death penalties is the only reason I can see it costing more than housing an inmate for 25+ years. Should go back to old times where criminals were executed within a weak of their crimes. We have technology to prove crimes. We aren’t in the dark ages without DNA evidence anymore. Criminals should be convicted and executed faster.
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I get what you're saying; I'm just dealing in reality.
Opinion Owner+1 y@nachosaresexy Can probably just put a bullet in those criminals before they can even be put through the court system. Oops it was self defense.
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Worth a try, I guess.
www.espn.com/.../cain-velasquez-denied-bail-second-attempted-murder-case
Opinion Owner+1 y@nachosaresexy trying to kill pedos is gods work. Let it go to jury and everything will be solved. He’ll be acquitted.
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Thank you!
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That's what happened with the latest mass murderer.
I don't think you've done much research on the death penalty, 98% of the people that are on death row have been on for 15+ / 20+ years, and 80% of them are likely to avoid the death sentence and serve the rest in prison to die naturally or what not, rather than executed. People think it's a simple solution but in reality, they are costing the tax payers just as much as a non lifer in prison.
https://www.youtube.com/embed/Zg3t22l0ByM
Scott dozier is a prime example of it... he ended his own life in 2019.00 Reply3.5K opinions shared on Society & Politics topic. Pro if fully proven. Point is they often don't prove it but kill them anyway. If they could then I have no problem with it like ted bundy for example who cares, John gacy, Manson, nightstalker. You put these guys on death row I will buy a seat to watch.
Prison should be maximum one can get if there is doubt.
So if there just throwing anyone in there Anti.11 Reply27.2K opinions shared on Society & Politics topic. I am pro death penalty. There have been many instances where people have been sentenced to life imprisonment without parole and somehow they get released and end up re-offending. The death penalty if applied correctly will prevent that. I still expect the Boston Marathon bomber to be released by some liberal judge who think that he was just a misunderstood kid.
20 Reply12.2K opinions shared on Society & Politics topic. Depends on the crime.
The main problem is that under the current system, something like 30% of cases are acquitted or reduced on appeal. Obviously if there is a death penalty then you can't posthumously redact the sentence.
It's the main reason they are getting rid of the death penalty in many places. The legal system is just not good enough.10 Reply- 6.3K opinions shared on Society & Politics topic.
+1 yI believe that, if the legal system convicts someone of a serious crime and the penalty is death, they should be executed quickly (not wait 15 years) on network TV, and streamed live over the Internet. Just like olde England and France, where heads were chopped off in public.
If we, as a society, can do that, then the death penalty should remain. If not, it should go. We should not continue to execute people behind closed doors, in secret, with only a small number of official witnesses.00 Reply
+1 yThe subject of the death penalty is far too complex and difficult from different points of view that answering by "pro" or "anti" seems stupid to me. The real question in a society would rather be: what to do with criminals really too dangerous to be released one day back among free citizens. Alternatives as for instance lifelong imprisonment, lobotomizing, chemical castration, seem as cruel, if not worse than the death penalty.
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+1 yonly for the most harsh people who have been proven to be the ones that did the deed. but I support dropping them off in the north or south pole with only the items they had on them when arrested to survive. so if by some chance they make it back it's prove they deserve to live on.
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+1 yAlways a tough question for me. Part of me says it's hypocritical to punish someone by killing them because they killed someone else, and killing is bad. The other part of me says that some people's crimes are just so heinous that they don't deserve to be among the living, even in a prison. In a way, you're giving their soul another chance to get it right sooner than later! The other thing that irks me is the taxpayer cost of keeping some mass murderer alive.
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+1 yAnti death penalty. I think it definitely falls under cruel and unusual. I mean you could effectively keep a prisoner locked without having to resort to inhumane means. Shouldn’t a prison try to remain as humane as possible while keeping prisoners locked up?
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+1 yIn cases where rehabilitation is unlikely or the crime too extreme yes.
Not because I am looking for vengeance, but because society shouldn't be permanently burdened by someone like that.
Also if someone is in for life it would be humane to offer them a quick alternative. Perhaps some of the money saved could go to next of kin and victims or their families instead.00 Reply580 opinions shared on Society & Politics topic. In theory yes, they deserve it. In practice no because the justice system is failed and the ones who deserve the death penalty the most (e. g. war criminals like every Us president that is still alive) are never gonna get prosecuted for their crimes anyway.
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Trump and Carter are the only presidents that are alive and didn't commit any war crimes
1.1K opinions shared on Society & Politics topic. Pro and I think we need to be more creative with it. For instance why not use a medieval catapult or flame throwers? Also why not screw male and female rapists and pedo's with a gigantic dildo lined with broken glass?
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+1 yI’m for it with irrefutable evidence. There are crimes that are completely unforgivable.
10 ReplyIf they’re in prison there is no need.
If they’re on the streets and dangerous then they’ve forfeited their safety and are fine to kill if others are in danger00 Reply1.4K opinions shared on Society & Politics topic. I'm for it, provided there is absolute proof of the person committing the crime. There are too many cases of infants being raped for me to not support the death penalty.
00 ReplyOne hundred percent! I think there should be other high risk penalties for “lower” brutality crimes as well though like rapists should get thrown in with other rapists in an open room… you know?
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+1 yAnti. The concept is good. Some people suck so bad they just need to be out of society. However, knowing that our legal system is run by humans who are flawed, I’m against the idea that a wrongfully convicted person could be put to death.
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Not to mention the millions of dollars that are wastef every year trying to appeal sentences
Anonymous(25-29)+1 yAgainst.
1. I think life in prison is a far worse punishment.
2. If there is any evidence that proves that they were innocent all along, there would be a chance for them to redeem themselves in the eyes of the law. If they are killed, that ship has sailed.
It's a sleight against due process in my opinion.00 Reply- 3.8K opinions shared on Society & Politics topic.
+1 yIt depends how bad their crime is - I won’t create one rule that applies indiscriminately to every case
00 Reply 6.5K opinions shared on Society & Politics topic. No, not even if everyone convicted is guilty, which is far from true.
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+1 yIf a murderer is a psychopath, there is NO rehabilitation, so death penalty. If a murderer can show legitimate remorse, be re-educated and reformed, then NO death penalty & possibly reintroduced into society.
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+1 yI think it has it's place. Don't see point in paying to keep people locked up for life. If someone is never coming out its best to put them down.
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+1 yVery pro. Look into Manila Phillipines. When the death penalty went back up. Corruption and crime dropped so fast that politicians, cops and city workers resigned.
00 Reply2K opinions shared on Society & Politics topic. Slightly against it, simply because people can and have been wrongfully convicted.
00 Reply11.9K opinions shared on Society & Politics topic. Very pro. Some offenses, convicted or not, make one deserving death
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Anonymous(18-24)+1 yYup. I am for it. Add abortionists and consecutive aborting women/men who encourage them to, to the list too.
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Wow you're really pro life 😐
Opinion Owner+1 yIndeed. Pedophiles and Terrorists too.
Opinion Owner+1 yI was nearly aborted as a child so I know it is murder of someone innocent. Anyone who murders someone innocent except for self defense or in war, deserves to die. Especially the innocent of the innocent. The baby. They should be shown no mercy, they should be torn apart limb by limb just like the baby is in the womb ideally (but law wouldn't allow that so lethal injection or hanging) :)
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A child can't be aborted 🤨 a child is a human the ages between birth and puberty.
Opinion Owner+1 yA baby is a young child in my book. Meaning from the moment of conception I'm my own being.
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Someone doesn't understand basic biology.
Opinion Owner+1 yOr someone is clinging to a "word" and not reading the whole argument. Biology is clear. Life begins at conception. There is no other point where you can call it life. A single celled organism which is distinct, is termed as life on an alien planet. So yeah. I'm not about arguing over words anyway.
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If you freeze a 1 week old baby will it die?
Opinion Owner+1 yProbably not, if it is done properly. But it will hinder natural growth and further development.
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I mean a born baby. You put a 1 week born baby into a deep freeze. Will it die?
Opinion Owner+1 yMost likely. I don't know the specifics but yeah. I imagine hypothermia will take their life. Unless there's something I'm not aware of, in which case, enlighten me.
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You'd be correct. They would slowly and painfully freeze from the outside in.
But if you freeze a 1 week old embryo (a fertilized egg which has started cell division) you can defrost it in 20 years time and it will continue growing and dividing, eventually turning into a baby.
Are both "life"? Yes but an embryo is life in the same way that bacteria is life. It doesn't have a functional brain, cannot think or feel as a later term/birthed human can.
Opinion Owner+1 yYes and what's your point? Is it not a developing human? Yes. Wouldn't it naturally fully develop into a human if you leave it be and do not hinder the process? Yes. Isn't it its own different person? Yes. Also I'll have you know that several places now allow abortion even up until birth. It doesn't just happen at an embryonic state. So if a living human doesn't have a fully functional brain/ cannot think properly/feel pain is it okay to kill them?
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That's some great logic. If you leave it there it'll grow into a baby... pedophiles ought to use that logic. Yeah she's underage now but if you leave her there...
There's no such thing as an abortion up until birth. Say it slowly. If the baby can survive outside the womb it will be birthed.
Yes... We take brain dead people off life support all the time.
Opinion Owner+1 yEh. That doesn't follow with pedophilia. That's unnatural sex. So is cryogenics. Its hardly natural. I can show you tons of cases where babies were aborted 6-7-8 months in. Do you want that list? Babies have known to survive at those ages. So if you knew a person is brain dead now but would be fine in say... nine months, would you be justified in pulling the plug?
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If a fetus was aborted at that stage then there was something seriously wrong with it or the mother's life was at risk.
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There is no coming back from being brain dead.
Opinion Owner+1 ySo should alive disabled people or people with stuff "wrong" with them be murdered? I know of a certain camp which did that. If the baby dies as a result of trying to save the life of the mother, it isn't seen as abortion. Even pro lifers aren't against that.
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I'm talking about brain dead people (which is a medical term for little to no brain activity) the person is gone its just their body left over. I am NOT talking about disabiled people.
Abortion is not killing a fetus. Abortions take place when a fetus has already passed too.
Opinion Owner+1 yYou didn't answer any my questions. What is the abortion procedure? Does the fetus "magically" die before the procedure to be ripped apart limb by limb? I'm sorry, I've been through all this. Athiesm/Abortion/Slavery/Pedophilia/Rape. These positions are almost impossible to defend well.
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Most abortions are done before like 13 weeks. Which is done by taking a couple pills. These induce a miscarriage. The only time at that stage a fetus would be surgically taken out is if it was stuck and the body didn't expell it. Other than that it's used for late term abortions which 99% of the time are wanted pregnancies that cannot continue because of health risks.
Opinion Owner+1 yAgain. Evidence please. I told you. No pro lifer argues against trying to save the life of the mother. If the baby dies in the process, then it is not seen as abortion. 99%? Are you sure? Where do you get these stats from? I'd like to see it.
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Yeah you say that... But medically it's still considered an abortion... It's still counted as an abortion in the statistics.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/10426234/
Opinion Owner+1 yThat's fine. In which case, it is the lesser of two evils argument. Not really hard to defend.
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Only 1% of abortions are performed in the 3rd trimester. People are so concerned about that but weren't concerned about 1% of the population dying from covid. Make it make sense.
Opinion Owner+1 yLet's just follow your "numbers". So if 1% of the population are murdered it is okay? Make it make sense...
Opinion Owner+1 yWho said we weren't concerned about 1% dying from covid? Is sickness the same as murder? Are you high right now? Can you tell me which brand you're smoking?
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There's many people who claim to be pro life and freak the fuck out about 1% of abortions happening after 13 weeks. But those same people are not concerned about 1-2% of the population dying from an Illness. They refuse to wear a mask and refuse to get vaccinated while screaming by body my choice but in the same breath they want to take that choice away from women.
Opinion Owner+1 yIf they refuse to follow government advice and medical advice and do not wear masks, what they are doing is wrong. (absolute moralism, see?) And sorry, potential death from a viral fever isn't the same as being torn apart to death limb by limb. Not even given a chance at life. No matter how hard you try to whitewash it. If not on this Earth, then in the afterlife, EVERYONE who abuses the innocent shall pay their due in full. Regardless of beliefs.
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"not even given a chance at life"
So it's not alive...
Thank you for coming to my Ted talk.
Opinion Owner+1 yIf you kill a newborn child, I can say the same thing and it'll make sense you daft fool.
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But it wouldn't be true. A newborn was given a chance
Opinion Owner+1 yI apologise for calling you a daft fool. I shouldn't have. I got angry when you mischaracterised my position. I'm done here. Good day.
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+1 yNah. I think a better punishment is to inflict the same kind of pain on them, that they caused their victim.
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+1 yIn a system where innocent people have been convicted of crimes and 40+ years later found not guilty, I just can’t advocate for the death penalty
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+1 yAnti death penalty. There's too many mistakes made, and what right does anyone have to take a life.
00 ReplyNobody deserves death, especially if exemple an innocent get accused, but harsh punitions is still an option that i'm not against, but don't murder, there's always more ways to avoid that except in rare deep situations
00 Reply12.2K opinions shared on Society & Politics topic. If life in prison want LIFE IN PRISON, I would support it but then there are lawyers.
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+1 yWell I don’t think we should spend all our money on them for 100 years
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+1 yi'm anti death penalty, cause i think that killing other humans is wrong as a principle.
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+1 yPro death penalty... How to reform a scumbag? You make them dissappear
00 Reply523 opinions shared on Society & Politics topic. Pro. But only with 200% proof. No false accusations. So many innocent people goto jail or get killed for no reason. Especially in murica.
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Anonymous(36-45)+1 yPro Death Penalty. Their Victims dont get to Live so why should they. Fuck their Rights. But in some cases, life on Prison can be worse. So I think it depends.
00 Reply1.7K opinions shared on Society & Politics topic. I'm pro in extreme cases (like treason against your country).
00 ReplyIll use my own ammunition to help save our tax money.
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The 80-cent solution! Love it.
+1 yPro death penalty, mainly for all sex offenders, human traffickers and gang members.
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+1 yI mean, they’re already going to go to Hell so…. Eh
00 Reply 18.6K opinions shared on Society & Politics topic. Anti capital punishment. We can never be 100% sure of anyone’s guilt.
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Anonymous(25-29)+1 yYes I believe murderers and rapists and other dangerous criminals should be put to death. They are a danger to society so shouldn't be allowed to live.
00 Reply1.7K opinions shared on Society & Politics topic. Against, it's either too harsh or not harsh enough.
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+1 yIt's immaterial to me whether the worst criminals are executed or locked up forever.
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+1 ydepends on the nature of the crime and the demeaner of the perp.
00 Reply I would hate for someone wrongfully convicted to be put to death
00 ReplyIf someone murdered more than one people i think they deserve death
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+1 yPro. Murderers and serial rapists don’t deserve to live
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u +1 ygood riddance... I wouldn't miss them
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+1 yIf you say yes, you’re not pro life.. just saying
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+1 yPro, don't want tax money going to housing psychos
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+1 yIndeed they should. Kill the bastards.
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+1 yPro they have earned it.
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+1 yI'm pro. Wipe them off the face of the Earth.
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+1 yI'd say yes, they should.
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