Do you know that people who don't believe in elections are running for positions to decide elections?

[goaded]

Rachel Hamm, is running for SoS in California
Tina Peters, is running for SoS in Colorado
Audrey Trujillo, is running for SOS in New Mexico
Kristina Karamo, is (?) running for SOS in Michigan
Jim Marchant, is running for SOS in Nevada
Mark Finchem, is running for SOS in Arizona

No anonymous opinions. Say it, own it.

Yes, I'll do something

Yes, but not in my state

Yes, but I don't care

No, I'll do something

No, but I don't care

Not American/see results

[Avicenna]

You live in a country where a political party can be spied on by the government, and the government tells you what you have to believe, yet you expect a foreign country to conform to your own political views or you declare those who don't share them to be "against democracy". The problem is clearly you, and you are against democracy and freedom of expression.

All, this is European leftist arrogance at its finest- "you US citizens had better vote for who I tell you to vote for", the lawless administration that is deliberately inflicting political pain on its people and has political prisoners.

[goaded]

I live in a country where elections aren't run by politicians, and especially not by the people running in those elections, not like the 83rd governor of Georgia who removed hundreds of thousands of people who were likely to vote against him from the voter rolls. I'm not telling you who to vote for, I'm just pointing out that your democracy is under attack. It's happened before, in 1933 in Germany, and it's a bad thing. Maybe you should try putting country above party for a change.

[Avicenna]

US democracy is under attack, all right, but it's under attack from the Democratic Party while the Republicans don't bother to oppose it, making them complicit.

Voter rolls do need to be reviewed periodically. Whether it was done correctly in Georgia I can't say, but you can't possibly know how people would have voted, and outdated voter rolls are a problem in many places.

As I have told you before, you also miss the forest for the trees when it comes to the problems with American democracy because you've taken a partisan approach. The German system isn't without its problems, either, given the power of parties to decide who runs and the lack of real political debate.

[goaded]

How is the Democratic Party attacking democracy? They're not the ones saying all the states had it wrong and Trump really won, or forging electoral votes, or attacking the Capitol, or spending a year fundraising of the lie that Trump could be re-instated.

Yes, voter rolls do need to be re-examined periodically, but it makes sense to err on the side of assuming people haven't moved unless you have proof that they haven't. Most people who have moved out of state aren't going to turn up and vote at their old address.

What do you mean by "the lack of real political debate" in Germany? There's more than two points of view to be heard, which is a good thing.

[Avicenna]

The Democratic Party has attached democracy in so many ways , I’d be here all day if I listed them all.

-Intimidation of the judiciary
-Thwarting the peoples voice in primaries
-illegally opening the borders and illegally giving temporary protected status to illegal entrants, which in addition to violating US laws, allows legislators to ignore US voters and workers (allowing large numbers of illegals to work in the US also accomplishes this) and destroys our civic culture of citizen participation
-Censorship of legal opposition political speech, illegally using Big Tech and the planned “Disinformation Board”
-Lobbyists and NGOs writing legislation, as well as trade agreements, rather than legislators writing them
-Privatization of oversight over elections
-Usurpation of each branch of government’s constitutional role
-Political prisoners being held and abused by the current administration
-Weaponization of the IRS and other government agencies, especially the FBI and FISA court against their political opponents

In short, it’s using the government to illegally target their political opponents and being corrupt and unresponsive to the citizens of the US. If the US had a proper opposition party, which the Republicans are not since most of them at the federal level also benefit from the current corrupt system, this wouldn’t occur.

[goaded]

I can spot a few outright lies in there, not to mention descriptions of what happens in both parties, but just for fun, why don't you pick the one that you think is the worst, and we'll discuss it?

[msc545]

Elections are only fair when right-wingers win!

[BlackAndBlueBalls]

you must not be old enough to remember the screams of election fraud from the Left in 2016 when Trump won. 🤓

[msc545]

@BlackAndBlueBalls yeah, that didn't happen.

[goaded]

@BlackAndBlueBalls " you must not be old enough to remember the screams of election fraud from the Left in 2016 when Trump won. "
From the candidate? She conceded almost immediately. See, the election comes down the number of people who manage for vote for each candidate.

[Aerissa_Jade]

I say best for them to be able to run. Those that want to silence them only push things closer to the edge. I hope this leads to more transparency in vote counting due to extra scrutiny. As Democrats wanted to not verify voter eligibility or do any recounts. They very much wanted to take a just believe us approach.

I think every ballot should be verified for voter eligibility and who they voted for. If someone who doesn't believe in elections win, you can damn well bet more people will push for verification that things are done above the table correctly.

[goaded]

I never said they shouldn't be able to run, I'm just warning people that there are candidates who are essentially saying they don't believe in the system they'd be in charge ot.

"I think every ballot should be verified for voter eligibility and who they voted for."
Uh, that first part already happens (you don't get onto the rolls unless you're eligible), and the second is terrible. Democracy rests on the idea of a secret ballot.

You're right, though, that voter suppression efforts sometimes backfire. I recently read that Georgia now has 95% of eligible voters registered.

[dustybiker]

Pieces into positions. Just like the supreme court. All a big political game. Everyone wants to win.

[goaded]

Only one side is willing to smash the board.

[dustybiker]

Of course.

[dustybiker]

Thank you for mhg.

[Smoke-n-Growls]

I'm just thinking it'll be good for Canada to increase our military capacity - not just for the US, but also to defend the Northwest Passage.

But yeah. I'm feeling like we'll need to militarize the Canada-US border in my lifetime.

There's gonna be a civil war in America in my lifetime probably. It's gonna be weird.

[Sun_Kim-Ai]

Elections in my country are just a formality, the results are predetermined and voting is just used as a census tool - much like it was before 1946, and again between 1946 and 1994.
I'm surprised that people of western nations are so naive to think that their "democratic" elections are a real thing, when they probably have never been.

[goaded]

So you're lying about where you live?

[Sun_Kim-Ai]

I put a generic obscure country name because since I'm involved in the politics of my own, someone could trace me back.

[Sun_Kim-Ai]

It's not St. Lucia and it's not the DPRK, but we were very close to that country durint Cold War.

[KelleyNice]

I looked at the first one, Rachel Hamm, is running for SoS in California, and watched her video. She seems like the kind of politician we need.

[goaded]

Yes, because people who pal around with traitors and QAnon adherents should definitely be counting your votes.

[KelleyNice]

I don't have any ideal what you are talking about. Perhaps you will explain in a way that makes sense.

[goaded]

Literally the front page of her web page has Mike Flynn on it, a QAnon hero and pardoned felon who wanted Trump to declare martial law and take the presidency by force.

[KelleyNice]

Now I understand where you are coming from. Democrats can do no wrong and republicans can do no right.

[goaded]

Because of course people who have been convicted of lying are just as trustworthy as people who haven't been to court, let alone convicted of anything. Not to mention his disdain for state's rights and the democratic process.

Here's what Flynn said, back in 2020:
“There is no way in the world we are going to be able to move forward as a nation. [Trump] could immediately, on his order, seize every single one of these machines, on his order,”

“He could order the, within the swing states, if he wanted to, he could take military capabilities, and he could place those in states and basically rerun an election in each of those states. I mean, it’s not unprecedented. These people are out there talking about martial law like it’s something that we’ve never done. Martial law has been instituted 64 times.”

[KelleyNice]

You are far more informed than I am, but that stuff is not relevant to me anyway. She wants to have fair and honest elections and I agree with that.

[goaded]

Well, that's what she says, but she also says the 2020 election wasn't one, and also: "It doesn't really matter who's running for assembly or governor or anything else. It matters who is counting the vote for that election."

And she wants to be the one counting the votes.

[NYCQuestions1976]

Since most of the "facts" you post come from Wikipedia (or possibly a myriad of far-left sources), I'll just post this here:

https://www.youtube.com/embed/kiRgJYMw6YA

[goaded]

Is saying Wikipedia isn't a valid source during an argument an admission of defeat? ↗

[goaded]

"Wikipedia’s reliable sources page includes CNN and MSNBC. But political reporting by FOX is not called reliable and neither is The Federalist, the Daily Caller, The Daily Wire, and the New York Post."
LOL.

They don't count New Republic or Daily Kos, either. Considering even Fox News didn't want to touch the Hunter Biden laptop story initially, it was never unreasonable to doubt its content. (It magically appeared in Giuliani's hands in October of an election year? Please.)

[NYCQuestions1976]

The only thing reliable about CNN is Jeffrey Tubin's lack of pants. Oh there's also this:
Should NATO Allow NATO To Officially Join NATO? ↗
What fantastic journalism. I can't understand how CNN+ failed in 30 days.

As for MSNBC, they don't even deserve my valuable time and effort.

Individuals are free to doubt stories if the choose ro do so. What's not acceptable are digital morons like Jack Dorsey and Mark Zuckerberg being the arbiters of what is and isn't newsworthy, and what are and aren't facts. Nobody appointed or elected them the censorship and free speech police.
How Awesome Is John Stossel? ↗
Jack Dorsey And Mark Zuckerberg May Indirectly Have Blood On Their Hands From The Millions Of Covid Victims Worldwide. Here's The Reasons Why: ↗
Part 2, Since You Can't Update MyTakes: Should Dr. Anthony Fauci And Bill Gates Be Added To A List Of People Who May Have Covid Blood On Their Hands? ↗

[goaded]

OMG! A typo!

How often has Fox News "accidentally" labelled a scandal-laden Republican with a "D"? How often have they admitted to making mistakes?

[NYCQuestions1976]

@goaded A "typo" on a live broadcast? Yeah sure, I agree shit happens... and it was actually corrected on the live broadcast rather quickly... but no, that's not the point. In their infinite wisdom, CNN uploaded the segment, with the error, on their YouTube channel! Probably the same people who thought CNN+ was a good idea. I mean at least have enough pride in your work, career, and product to fix such an easily correctable issue. Posting it online afterwards with the error almost seems deliberate.

[BlackAndBlueBalls]

yeah, and, um... if people don't like them then they won't vote for them. Simples. 🤣 Why do you feel the need to control who runs for election? To use your political side's favorite bumper sticker quote, " it's a threat to our democracy". lmao.

[goaded]

I never said they shouldn't be able to run, I'm just warning people that there are candidates who are essentially saying they don't believe in the system they'd be in charge of. (And yes, it it s threat to democracy.)

[Anonymous]

I don’t know who any of these people are and don’t know why I should care about why you feel they are going to “end democracy” in an election.

Besides. You’re a fucking German. How about you just, I don’t know, shut the fuck up? Hmm?

[goaded]

Guess what happened when someone took and end-run around democracy in Germany.

[jshm2]

So?

Since when has politics been about honesty?

[goaded]

Since when have the voters not cared if their votes are counted properly?

[DarkWinterNights]

Who better to guarantee free and fair elections? If they lose then they can’t blame anyone.

[goaded]

Are you serious?

[anylolone]

You have to do something.

God knows that russia's numbers wouldn't fly, have you thought about that?
Of fucking course not.

[goaded]

Your feeling is that it doesn't matter if the US becomes like Russia?

[anylolone]

Well, when it comes to electoral numbers it has already.

It matters and something has to be done because it has already gotten pretty close.
And as i said, it doesn't fly because socially the US isn't russia.

[goaded]

I'm not sure what you meant by "russia's numbers wouldn't fly". Did you mean that reporting one candidate with 95% of the vote would be rejected by the people?

[anylolone]

No need to go that far. Just 95% of voter turnout rates in nursing homes.

[goaded]

(a) where did that happen?
(b) what's the usual turnout? (old people are more likely to vote)

[anylolone]

Wisconsin for one, 91 nursing homes that we know right now.

You aren't up to date, are you? Or are you expecting me not to be?

There's even an article about it on the washington times, lol!

[goaded]

Well, that's interesting, I hadn't heard about it. I'm happy to be informed of any reliable data. On the other hand, the red flags include: John Solomon, The Gateway Pundit, and "Wisconsin judge finds GOP election investigator in contempt".

Firstly it's "suspicion of...", secondly, that's why I posed part (b): What is the usual rate in those places? Finally, is there any indication that they didn't make up their own minds, and how many people are in those places in total? Biden won the state by nearly 20,000 votes.

Approaching 100% turnout for people who have nothing better to do than vote is not that unreasonable. Comparing it to the average turnout for the state is unreasonable.

[anylolone]

The rates are usually low, dementia patients aren't that keen on current politics.

By the way, such nursing home numbers where also used as indicative of fraud in Russia.

[goaded]

And do you have any indication that they were convinced to vote for Biden and not Trump? Seriously, one Republican who reported voter fraud (his dead wife voted) turned out to have murdered his wife and voted using her ballot.

[anylolone]

The DNC behavior in general when it comes to audits and election security.

Let's say being against requirement for state issued voter ID and sending absentee ballots unasked doesn't paint the best picture.

[goaded]

So, no indication their votes were for Biden or not made of their free will.

[anylolone]

Gosh, the cope from you is amazing. Ok, so get out of the way of the investigations and even help those. And also out of the way of voting security.
My mother, as one example, is too old to care to vote, she's not too old to have a state issued ID which is required for basically anything. Not even my grandmother is too old for a state issued ID.

[goaded]

Does ignoring the point that you have no evidence that those people were coerced or even helped to vote for one particular side (I'm inferring you think they all voted for Biden, if so: why?) help your case at all?

The voter ID thing is old news. 95% of eligible Georgia voters are registered to vote today, which doesn't mean voter ID didn't do it's job and depress the Democratic vote when it was introduced. Does that 95% now mean you'll be saying that that number's inflated and false? What it really means is that Republicans pissed off a lot of voters by fixing elections in the past.

[anylolone]

"You have no evidence!" lol!
Actually we do, like literally quite a few cases to show the pattern.

But all that it' needed is the mob boss saying "someone rid me of this priest" and the "body" my friend.

You still cope. I want to hear you cope outloud in your mussolini finish.

Also, do you understand what state issues ID to vote means?
It means you need to use it to vote, not only to be be registered to vote.

Oh, great self report there. "dementia patients are regressive but somehow voting progressive if you don't require them to vote in person without my assistance, if you do that it depresses my vote" lol!

[goaded]

Almost none of what you said addresses anything of what I said.

That percentage of Georgians now have ID and are registered to vote. Because they're pissed at having their rights taken away over the decades in new and ingenious ways.

[anylolone]

Weird, because that's way bellow the percentage here.
Who the fuck goes out of home without a state issued ID?

[goaded]

Changing the subject much? Why is 95%+ voting in a nursing home so utterly unreasonable? What were the rates in previous years? Why do you think they didn't vote for whoever they wanted to?

[anylolone]

Do I really have to spell it out for you? It's a fucking battle to get them to walk out, take their meds, do physical therapy, the list is long.

Oh, also, by the way, what are the laws in georgia for registering someone to vote?
How's the process? Can you detail it for me?
What are the chances we gonna find shenanigans there?

[goaded]

I don't know. Do you? I think it's unlikely, and certainly not one-sided. Various members of the Republican leadership have been found to have broken election laws. Mark Meadows (Trump's Chief of Staff) being one example.

[anylolone]

Did he vote in 3 states?

Also, I already found some shenanigans in GA. Apparently you don't need an exact match to be registered. Ain't that a doosie. You'd think the solution would be to fix inconsistencies and have policies to prevent the build up of documental inconsistencies, but apparently the solution is looking the other way and pray.

Note that those inconsistencies will still cause problems elsewhere.

[goaded]

Mark Meadows was registered in three states, and and voted in at least one state where he never lived.

Even if it's true, you know what's worse than being allowed to vote when your details aren't an exact match to the details on the voter rolls (like, say, one has a middle initial, the other having a middle name, or living at number 12, not number 21)? Being removed from the voter rolls because your name is almost a match for someone in another state (which, surprisingly, includes a lot of people called Hernandez or Brown). Or for being told you've moved, even when the Post Office knows that's not the case.

[anylolone]

So, he voted in one state?

That's a retarded backwards way of thinking. It's not just voter fraud that harms these people, it's quite literally problems with fucking banking in one of the demographics with the biggest rate of small business entrepreneurs.

Unfixed mismatches in records are likely to fuck them up royally.
I'd rather have to work hard to vote once every two years than work hard every month to prove that I'm myself to the fucking bank.

Mismatch in records is one of the fucking reasons I straight up give my ID when inquired of my name for a register.

You want a chance to cheat so much that you will leave fuck ups on fucking purpose.
But hey, taxes for you aren't even a way to get money, it's just a way to fuck with the middle class, as lenin said.

[goaded]

No, he ILLEGALLY voted in one state, who knows what other crimes he committed.

There has to be some flexibility, along with checks and balances. Given a name, address, a few digits of SSID and a voter roll, one or two misplaced characters are far more likely to be a mistake than an attempt to vote twice, and people voting twice are very likely to get caught (if only because there's a good chance the real person will already have voted or will encounter problems voting later. People getting away with it will be in the dozens, not the tens of thousands.

"Doctor Oz" has registered with an invalid address, and he's a candidate! If making a minor mistake (often not made by themselves) stops people from having their vote counted, that's a far bigger problem than people trying to vote twice.

[anylolone]

"who knows" it's in the register. The checking every state to see where he voted isn't hard.

Oh, so he's arrested? Right? It would be absurdly easy for you hoaxers to arrest him, you arrest grandmas over walking between velvet ropes after being let in by cops.

"some flexibility" lol! huge cope. What about fixing the records for the good it's fixing the records?
You seem way too interest in letting this fuck up people's lives.

[goaded]

It's still being investigated. www.huffpost.com/.../trump-voter-fraud-mark-meadows_n_6256ee0ee4b06c2ea325f02f

And you're full of shit if you're suggesting the attack on the Capitol wasn't extremely violent.

[anylolone]

Extremely? Compared to what? And the fun thing is completely peaceful grandmas who was let in being arrested, but rey epps wasn't.

Also, investigated? Not arrested? So not even likely to be a crime?

[goaded]

Compared to anything that wasn't extremely violent.

Epps didn't enter the building, maybe not even the grounds.

[goaded]

What would they be investing if it was "not even likely to be a crime"? You sound like the people who used to say that Jan 6th wasn't an insurrection because nobody's been charged with sedition. Until they were. Guess how many people corrected themselves and apologised for being wrong?

[anylolone]

After months you got three people charged and pleading guilty, after a good while on indefinite arrest and still fails to provide much in evidence?

By that method I could charge and get confessions at my local fair, lol!
No wonder no one is in interested in the hearings and the audience is gone, lol!

All you do is cope and overplay your hand, red herrings galore, while the economy is in shambles.
Gosh, you sound like heard and it's patently obvious...

[goaded]

20 million for the first, prime time, hearing, 10 million for Monday morning are not small numbers. And that's just the people who watched them live.

[anylolone]

So half a drop on the two things you present here?

I have to say it's better than biden's performance... but hey, we get other things to compare to.

[exitseven]

I take it they are alll democrats.

[goaded]

No, they're all Republican Trump supporters. Democrats (and sane Republicans) know that the 2020 election was a valid win for Biden, by a very large margin.

[exitseven]

Oh, so unsolicited mail in ballots with no voter ID is not the recipe for a stolen election? That is what the democrats want. In the state I live in the democrats are fighting to give illegal aliens drivers licenses. We have a democrat secretary of state who always says that to vote you need a state drivers license. Can you connect the dots or do I have to do it for you?

[goaded]

We've done this before. At least in one state, the driving licence includes an indication of whether the holder is a citizen or not. Encouraging eligible people to vote is not a crime, it's a duty.

[Lyndsielee666]

All I cared about was newsom winning Lmfao

[OldWorldOrder]

Whatever. Democracy sucks anyway.

[goaded]

I'm sure it's great when your side wins.

[OldWorldOrder]

The outcome is more important than the process.

I wish you religious democrats would grow up already.

[goaded]

The outcome is supposed to be that the one with the most votes wins. The process is supposed to be there to ensure that.

[OldWorldOrder]

And civilization be damned in the meantime, right? Who cares if the popular leader is the one with the less healthy & sustainable policies lol. The low-IQ throngs have the right to crash civilization into the ground! 🤪🤡

[goaded]

Fortunately, more people came out against Trump last time.

[OldWorldOrder]

Fortunately, the masses can be coerced or removed. :)

[goaded]

Keep talking, you're making my point.

[OldWorldOrder]

You'll have to speak up, I can't hear you over the sound of Severodonetsk being captured. :)

[goaded]

99 days after Putin thought he'd have overrun the whole of Ukraine. You like Putin, then? Figures.

[OldWorldOrder]

Vova is my nigga.

by the way he says thanks to NATO for the free heavy weapons. :)

[jimmy2]

I don't doubt it