Do Russia and China want to share world domination and put an end to "Western" domination?

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nightdrot · Accepted Answer

The question is really two questions, with the second question being something of a misnomer. The first question being "do Russia and China want to share world domination."

The answer to the first part is an emphatic "no." Russia and China are rivals with no history of prolonged friendship. Even during the Cold War, when both states were communist and world domination was - at least nominally - the avowed goal of the communists, Russia (or the USSR as it then was) and China fought a fierce but brief border war.

The strategic interests of Russia and China diverge sharply and while there will be periods of an alliance of convenience, overall, the idea that they want to "share" world domination does not bear scrutiny. Indeed, even if the two attained "world domination" together, it is likely that it would end up in a bitter contest between the two.

That said, the idea of "world domination" is problematic. Both states, like all states, seek to be the preeminent power in the world in order to assure their interests and basic national security. As communist states - and it should be added that China now is communist in name only - world rule was not, strictly speaking, their theoretical goal. It was, rather, a stateless worker's paradise.

The problem being that even as communist states, China and Russia were constrained by a variety of factors - geography, economics, demographics, immediate circumstances, etc. - to attain their goals via the channel of the traditional narrower historic national interests of the Russian and Chinese states. Thus, for example, did the Soviet Union seek first to dominate, in the Tsarist tradition, the states of eastern Europe. The difference being that in the guise of world revolution, the Russians found themselves investing time and energy in Africa and Latin America - see also the various communist insurgencies in those places plus support for states like Cuba.

In the end, however, this proved self-defeating. The costs being beyond, over the long term, beyond the ability of the USSR to sustain itself. Thus, in due course, helping to lead to the collapse of the USSR and the advent of modern, non-communist, Russia. As to China, as the lesser power during the Cold War, it learned the lesson of the USSR and began a transition to a free market economy at home and a focus on more traditional Chinese interests abroad. Thus today, as one wag has put it, China "is less interested in Marx in theory than Lenin in practice."

Beyond this, however, there is the question of "the West." Neither China nor Russia seeks to "put an end" to the "West" as such. "The West" exists, but it is an abstraction. At one point the West was largely defined, though not exclusively so, by the UK and France. Today it is largely defined by, though not exclusively so, by the United States. "The West" is a cultural concept and national states deal in the concrete realities of military and economic power and diplomatic influence.

Thus do China and Russia seek to overtake the United States and its allies. To be sure, in the Cold War, as an ideological contest, the conflict was defined partly in broader cultural terms. However, the current international arena is seeing a contest rooted in realpolitik. Russia and China are operating according to Lord Palmerston's maxim, "We have no eternal allies, and we have no perpetual enemies. Our interests are eternal and perpetual, and those interests it is our duty to follow."

Russia and China are seeking to secure their more traditional national interests and this pits them against the states whose interests conflict with that. The world is round and so, at a certain irreducible level, this conflict takes on a global dimension. However, it is not, as such an effort to dominate the world. That being the case the contest does not have less of a global impact for that fact.

andreasderjuengere · Accepted Answer

If it does not lead to Chinese or Russian 'domination' instead, I would not mind if the greedy ''West'' has a competitor.
I assume (but don't know) that both nations just want to ensure their own supply flow; unfortunately, with some ''shady'' methods.
But ''we'' aren't any better.

Daniela1982 · Accepted Answer

In the last days the "kings of the east" will walk across the Euphrates River, as it will be dry, and with an army of 200 million will advance on Israel to wipe it out. The only one capable of having an army of 200 million in the east is China, possibly allied with Russia. So the answer is yes.

Soteris · Answer

No. China and Russia are actually fundamentally enemies. They only cooperate as far as they are absolutely required to resist the western power block. There is literally zero percent chance they would share world domination together.

SeekingVirginWife · Answer

China be prepped by da un as da next global superpowah dat will enforce technocratic communism while da west be steadily collapsin'. Russia be just china's little bitch.

Lord_Saddler · Answer

It's not about shating world domination, dear heart, it's about putting the US down. The most retarded empire ever seen belongs in the trash heap of history and must be remembered by future generations as what society ***shouldn't*** be like.

TheFlak38 · Answer

China is prepped by the UN as the next global superpower that will enforce technocratic communism while the west is steadily collapsing. Russia is just China's little bitch.

Jangolore453 · Answer

It’s sounds like Biden wants to take over the world we’re trump left off you heard when’s he’s talking about new world order he wanted Russia to invade Ukraine and put sanctions on them so he can take there oil reserves and gas

jahaims · Answer

No, they both want to dominate the world. They just work together when it is mutually beneficial.

PatriceONeal · Answer

China and Russia don't get along, their relationship is mainly business, not ideological.

GreatnessBack · Answer

If they win, then they will start fighting each other.

EnglishEuropean · Answer

I don't think they want to share anything. They're being forced into an uneasy alliance.

Anonymous · Answer

Is not gonna happen, no country stand a chance against us American

Anonymous · Answer

It's blatantly obvious.

Anonymous · Answer

It’s not that simple.

RandomGuy1030 · Answer

God I pray this is true.

dustybiker · Answer

Probably. Who knows.

vald9inches · Answer

I hope so

OldWorldOrder · Answer

I sure hope so.

FunkyMonkee · Answer

Probably.

I_Can_Help · Answer

Yes.

Pterodon · Answer

Definitely

barn_stormer · Answer

I think so.

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