Men's rights activitsts are losers, who have dark agendas, are they not?

[wiltonaimes]

lots of men like to say we're oppsressed.
that's fucking splitting hairs.
like we still control the world.
we control the wealth.
we're the political and business leaders.
we in lots of countries still legally oppress women.
we're not a minority group!
we're not trans, gays, blacks, women, Jews, disabled people, etc.
we're not subject to organised or systematic` oppression. if so we oppress ourselves.

are there cases where men are hard done by? yes. is that the same as systemic oppression? no. men fight in wars, cos men say so. if men kill ourselves more, then that's not from oppression. for all we know that could be biological. it's like a circular thing - if men are not allowed to express our emotions, then we men say so. nobody else. MRAs are too dim to realise this. but then blame women. looooool. how do women force men to create patriarchy? that makes no fucking sense. are MRAs autistic or something? Because men fighting in wars only occurs because men decided war is a man's thing - men are phyusically stronger and it was seen in many societies to be an honour only bestowed to men.

men's rights started in the 1970s as a petty move to counter feminism. that's a fact.
men's rights is bad optics, and comes from a bad place. as a man, i look down on MRAs because they have no real place or space and no heart. it's all show and some hidden agenda. Like women have been and ARE truly fucked. BLM was cringe but there were issues. Men aren't gunned in the street for being men. men aren't having their rights taken away like in Afghanistan. I do NOT feel as a man that i'm "oppressed" in Western culture. how am I "oppressed"? what is oppression? these MRAs like to split hairs on what oppression is. if a girl turns you down after you ask her out, is that "oppression"? really? it's a setback but not "oppression"!! So yep, i said it. prove to me men are oppressed and prove to me what oppression is.

[vetchx]

I am not a men's rigths activist

but i think its important to treat every good faith actor with empathy

I think there are a lot of bad faith actors in the mens rights movement

but that doesn't take away from the experiences of the mem who have bought i to the movment because of their paradigm

im going to try and present the case of that good faith actor

there's a white man
who is facing hardship
he lost his high paying job in the after math of 2008 and has been stuck bouncing around ever since. home life got harder when they lost income leading to a messy divorce that he feels he got the worse end of.

he pictures the life his dad led and the life he imagined for himself and this isn't it

it feels like he "lost" something it feels like it was taken from him.

and these problems are real

they aren't the biggest problems in the world but they are the biggest ones to him

and some MRA guy comes along and tells him about the evil feminists and their quest to destroy men

or some flavor of that and its easy to believe

and other voices, the voices that should help this guy see through the MRA charade and help guide him with better frameworks

instead see this guy as part of the problem and push him away instead of trying to make him part of the solution

[wiltonaimes]

nah, they're all liars and charlatans who can't see that they as MEN created the problems they complain about. they're either too dumb or unscrupulous to try and stop patriarchy and toxic masculinity. Which men created by design.

[wiltonaimes]

but you're an arch-hypocrite since you like to lecture how people here post and use this forum looool.

[This_Is_My_Opinion8]

Some fights are legitimate. For example in England it's not legally possible for a woman to rape a man, only to sexually assault him.
This among other things need a discussion. Rate of suicide, drug abuse, school dropout, etc.

Of course men are far from victims of society. Most problems we face are our individual fault.

[Anonymous]

At their cores, both feminism and the men's rights movement have valid goals, and both are full of biased and bitter people who hate on the opposite sex.

[wiltonaimes]

Women were are still oppressed systemically.

[Opinion Owner]

How so? How am I "oppressed systemically" more than my brother is? Looking at the big picture, I disagree. Please provide specifics. I'm very interested to hear your justification for that statement.

[kespethdude]

Yes, they are. They even support rapists and child molesters.

[Anonymous]

As an average man do you really control the wealth? Are you a political leader? Do you have any power at all?

Nope.

[wiltonaimes]

Men who aren’t mega wealthy still have societal privilege. Quit whining and being disingenuous