How do you feel about the overturning of Roe V. Wade?

[Anonymous]

[ChrisMaster69]

My non American view is that it’s fine to move it to a State decision, IF that state decision was done by a referendum or specific vote on abortion.

That has not happened, what did happen is certain states simply enacted Trigger legislation to ban abortion, example Oklahoma.

https://eu.oklahoman.com/story/news/2022/06/24/roe-v-wade-scotus-means-oklahoma-abortion-trigger-law/7623055001/

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The poll, taken by Amber Integrated of 500 registered Oklahoma voters, showed 31% would support a total ban on abortion if the U. S. Supreme Court overturned Roe v. Wade; 55% of the Oklahoma voters surveyed did not want a total ban and another 14% were unsure.

Only 14% of Democratic voters and 12% of independents said they would favor a total ban on abortion if the 1973 ruling was tossed. On the Republican side, 48% of those voters surveyed said they would support a total ban, while 40% would not.

Only 29% of women and 33% of men surveyed favored a total ban on abortion.

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As usual with these things people jump at the extremes and focus on birth control.

However it removes the ability for a doctor to even discuss abortion with someone who is pregnant and scans, blood tests show major medical issues with the foetus.

Also abortion aside, what other Federal laws will be challenged using this as a legal precedent, Same sex marriage, mixed race marriage’s.

these I believe will be next one - Federal anti-discrimination and civil rights laws that protect against racial, age, gender and disability discrimination.

When these are passed down to State level and also banned.

might not be now, might be in 20 years, however the precedent is there.

It also shows the the US is not a country nor a democracy.

[SaoirseS]

@ChrisMaster69. Ah yes, my neighboring state to the south, Oklahoma, that like Missouri, Texas, Florida, and a couple others are famous for operating at the conservative extreme. A woman's right to an abortion is outlined in our state's constitution, but is coming up for a vote as to whether to retain the language or change it (and remove it as a right) in August. Even money on how that will turn out.

The US is a republic, not a democracy, but I agree with your assessment that we are no longer truly a country anymore, we have loosely 50 competing state sovereigns that might as well become independent nations.

Those who cheer the outcome of the Dobbs decision are too busy celebrating and ridiculing their opponents to understand the longer term consequences of this decision and the direction it takes us. It isn't going to be pretty.

[WhiteSteve]

I feel bad for the way it makes many women feel, it doesn’t particularly affect me personally.

I do find it…”interesting”…that Alito, Gorsuch, Coney-Barrett, and Kavanaugh ALL assured Congress and America in their confirmation hearings that they would respect the precedent set by Roe v. Wade, and here we are today. So I don’t know what you cal that other than outright lying. You promised one thing, under oath, and then did the opposite.

So, today, it’s working out for the conservatives, and they’re happy. I don’t think they genuinely care about life as much as they just enjoy the feeling of “owning libs”, because so many seem so ready to shoot the shit out of anyone who crosses them, lmfao. I think that’s mostly horseshit, and the rest is this vague reverence for babies because some of us think they’re cute. But once the baby is born, the same people are like “fuck your baby” if they don’t like the parent for whatever reason, like needing financial help, wanting it raised in an environment differing from conservative ideals, being the wrong race or religion, and then once it’s an adult, they REALLY don’t give a fuck and are just like “sink or swim with the rest of us”, which would be fine, but just don’t turn around and in the next breath tell me you’re “pro-life”, give me a fucking break, guy😂

Just make sure you keep this same energy if the tables are ever turned in favor of the liberals.

[Asker]

Well, I’m not sure that “respect the precedent set by Roe v. Wade” means that they said they never were going to overturn it. I think what they said, if true, can be interpreted in a few other ways.

[WhiteSteve]

Ok, but…. I’m assuming anyone up for the Supreme Court, however anyone feels about their politics, is not an idiot, they’re probably very smart people. Smart enough, at least, to know EXACTLY what was being asked, and judges, of all people, are EXCEEDINGLY careful about how they word things (did you happen to see Judge Luttig’s testimony at the Nan. 6th hearings? I can’t recommend watching it on 1.5x speed enough if you want it to sound like normal speech😂), so these are about the last people I’m going to buy a semantics argument from. And I mean, the republicans wanted to stall the naming of a new justice in Obama’s final months, and then turned around and wanted to rush a new one through in Trump’s final months…. you can’t tell me there’s no agenda behind this. Don’t piss on my leg and tell me it’s raining, you know? I don’t even care, I’ll never let a president, congressman, or justice affect my life, I’m just watching from the sidelines and calling it how I see it.

[Curmudgeon]

Hey, you leftists did this with "gay marriage". We saw that. And to draw up law out of thin air and call it "precedent", is a horrid abuse of the judiciary. Go make your abortion laws in your state, as you should have.

[WhiteSteve]

@Curmudgeon I’m not a leftist, I’m just a guy, I probably won’t even live out my life in this country, so you don’t even need to worry about me, my dude.

I can’t think of any reason for gay marriage to be an issue for anybody, just on the grounds of “Life Rule #1: Mind your fucking business and don’t worry about what anyone but yourself is doing.” You want to make an argument about abortion, and fetus’ rights or whatever, I’ll hear that, but I refuse to believe that like 90-some% of supposed pro-lifers even truly give a shit about a fetus. That would suggest giving a shit about human life, universally, and it’s been made abundantly clear that certain lives not just in this country but around the world are prioritized over others. Again…piss, leg, “rain”…. don’t do that. I’m not a big “laws” or “organized society” guy, so we can probably save ourselves some typing because I don’t think we’re gonna connect on this one, lmao

[Uannoyme]

I feel like a lot of people have no clue about what actually happened. I have heard so many people say that abortion has been outlawed. And a lot of media is feeding right into it. As far as my opinion on the ruiling, any time power is returned to the states, it's a good thing.

[SaoirseS]

Two words: bad precedent. But since we have an election in August to determine whether or not the right to abortion should remain in our state constitution, I’ll direct my energy where it might do some good. Here isn’t the place for that.

[Asker]

I think legally, I’ve heard that abortion shouldn’t have been a constitutional right.

I think now, it gives more autonomy, independence, and power to the states and their citizens.

[SaoirseS]

That’s the PowerPoint summary slide version.

[SaoirseS]

Have you read the entire Dobbs decision?

[Asker]

I have not.

Do you mind summarizing it for me if you’ve read the entire thing?

[SaoirseS]

It's too significant of a decision for me to summarize. Best you read it and decide for yourself. Never mind my thoughts on the matter. Here's the link:
www.supremecourt.gov/.../19-1392_6j37.pdf

[Asker]

Alright, I’ll read it.

Hopefully, it’s not too long.

[SaoirseS]

Oh it’s long. Not an easy read. But don’t neglect the dissenting opinion. It should tell you lots.

[Asker]

•Long
•Not an easy read

Um…..

[SaoirseS]

200 plus pages. But those that want to discuss it intelligently and really understand it need to read the whole package rather than rely on media to feed them a bottom line.

[Asker]

You read everything?

[SaoirseS]

I did.

[Asker]

Here’s an AAR 🎖 🫡

Thank you for your service

[SaoirseS]

Seriously, read the whole thing. You’re a smart guy. It isn’t likely to change your opinion or mind, but read what it telegraphs. It’s a harbinger of what’s to come. And it isn’t going to be pretty.

[Asker]

Yeah, I’ll certainly check it out.

Also, it’s not “AAR” haha.

I’m thinking of a different acronym

[SaoirseS]

Better a BSM than a CMH.

[Asker]

But honestly, the overturning does not ban abortion.

I do believe it just gives the states more autonomy.

The places like Cali, NY, and more will remain the same in regards to providing abortion services to women.

[SaoirseS]

I know what it all means, I read it. But the after affects are what concern me. But since it isn’t going to change any one’s mind, I’ll live with the outcome by dealing with the state and voting on the question in the upcoming election.

[Asker]

I know, this may not surprise you but I’m personally happy about this overturning.

Being pro-life, I think this is a right step for the country.

[SaoirseS]

No it doesn’t surprise me. The problem is a “step,” but in what direction?

[OlderAndWiser]

I am delighted. This is a substantial victory for the rights of the states to make their own laws on subjects of great importance.

[normalice]

Mostly just annoyed. I'm not personally effected in any way - though i probably will be in 20 years when all the forced babies become neglected adults and crime spikes - but it's still irritating to think of how successful far right disinfotaiment is at manufacturing consent, just by being so well funded. Also giving the sort of people who have to steal their relevance from others by telling them what to do - even if it's stupid - the satisfaction of letting them falsely believe they are relevant just because it fits their standards of relevance instead of any useful standard, is a little annoying. Like being scammed.

[AviatorTom]

SCOTUS made a legal decision based on what's specifically written in the Constitution (including the 14th Amendment), specifically what powers the federal government has and what powers the states have; basically anything that isn't specifically given to the federal government belongs with the states.

As a studier of the Constitution, I agree with the decision... over time, the federal government has assumed powers that should have remained with the states.

This decision, however, is more than just a legal decision... it affects society.

[NYCQuestions1976]

For disclosure purposes, I'm morally pro-life and legally pro-choice.

Even though those who are strongly pro-life are happy right now with this decision, the only real winners are going to be those who are hard-core pro-abortionists, and not those who are "reasonably" pro-choice. The vast majority of abortions in this country already occur in the more liberal states of New York, Illinois, and California... and those 3 states, along with other more liberal states, are going to wind up legalizing late-term abortions. Most of the more conservative states, other than Texas and a few other swing states, are sparsely populated and already have far less abortions than their liberal counterparts.

For every fetus "legally" saved in Texas, about a dozen are going to be "legally" terminated in their third trimester.

[Texaskid1]

Also , I would imagine that a number of women from more conservative states will travel to states where getting an abortion is easier.

[NYCQuestions1976]

@Texaskid1 Oh yes for sure. Liberal activists will be happily sponsoring and publicizing such trips. Pro-abortionists are big winners today. The general public just doesn't realize that yet.

[MCheetah]

I think it's a sign the United States of America is done and finished. "Kids, we're getting a divorce." Of course, stupid people won't get that this isn't just about 'abortion.' It's symbolic of something deeper. One Constitutional right goes down, and the rest will follow. I imagine the Second Amendment will be destroyed next.

[matchrestore]

I'm very pro-choice and I live in a state with a trigger ban, so I'm doubly upset about it, but regardless of your view on abortion, the legal precedents set by row are the basis of so many other rights we enjoy. This is a very troubling time for our freedom and liberty in America.

[Reaper1985]

all the ruling did was overturn it at the federal level which ultimately means it's now up to each state to decide how to handle the matter. many deep blue states will likely remain pro-abortion with no restrictions. many deep red states will likely go pro-life with heavy restrictions. while the rest will likely go pro-choice with limited restrictions.

[Snakeyes7]

I think there are better ways to deal with the issue of abortion but I guess this is an interesting step to take.

If the case was as erroneous as the justices say, then it never should have been a ruling in the first place. I hear the case violated due process.

[BCRanger10]

This is very much a step in the right direction for America.

[anon1903]

Two men deciding what a woman should be allowed to have or not have. Why is that surprising?

#banningabortionisviolationofhumanrights

[slatyb]

It will lead to great hardship for many poor women. Rich people won't notice.

[Guy13]

🥳🥳🥳🥳🥳. Government sanctioned genocidal baby exterminations in the womb chamber is ending 🎉🎉

[Wild_princess]

Sad... its very sad for my fellow American friends... not having rights over their bodies...😕😕

[WraithRogue04]

It actually just turns the laws over to the states.
There is a common misconception that its outlawed.

[Wild_princess]

@WraithRogue04 as i read most of us states are planning to plan abortion? am i right🙄?

[WraithRogue04]

planning to plan abortion?

[Wild_princess]

@WraithRogue04 *ban... my mistake i apologise 😅😅

[WraithRogue04]

Oh! haha.
No, as far as I have seen there are no Full Bans in the USA, nor any planned.
Some states have put limitations on when Abortions are legal.

However, the issue is that its more of a states right struggle now.
The fact is that public opinion in places like Texas, is not the same as in California.

[Wild_princess]

@WraithRogue04 yes as i believe southern states are more conservative?

[WraithRogue04]

Yes.
I think there are 2 ways this issue tends to be viewed
1. Should issues like this be mandated by the federal government across the United States, regardless of public opinion in individual states?
or
2. Should the States have more control over the say of what happens in their own State?

[Wild_princess]

@WraithRogue04 i think its better if each state decides its own law...🤔

[WraithRogue04]

Then you would agree with overturning Roe V Wade.

[Wild_princess]

@WraithRogue04 i don't know that law well as i am not American... except the fact that it make abortion illegal in the us.

[WraithRogue04]

Roe V Wade made Abortion completely legal throughout the nation.
This meant that each state was required to perform abortions (though some found loopholes).
None the less, overturning Roe V Wade, does no make abortion illegal.
What it does, it remove the requirement that it be practiced nationally.
Instead, now the choice is up to the states.

Many state will keep the same abortion functions as before, because their populations largely accept it.
Other states will put limitations on Abortion.

The most extreme limitations are being put up by states like Lousiana
Where they will make abortion illegal with the exception of cases where it is necessary to save the mother
Or if the pregnancy was due to a rape.. etc

[Wild_princess]

@WraithRogue04 okay so the protest there is from some states which is moving it illegal?

[WraithRogue04]

Not really.
I think the issue is ignorance in the United States
Most people barely understand the laws, or what it means to overturn Roe V Wade
and political forces use it as a way to rile up supporters, to create division.. etc.
In truth, its likely most people dont even understand what they are protesting
the same is true of most protests in the USA as of recent.
Lots of disinformation being pushed by corporate and political leadership.

Its like most of the protests are in states that will keep abortion the same

Its ironic.

[Wild_princess]

@WraithRogue04 well i do agree nowdays social media spread false rumors and misinformation

[Zeus_66]

Please tell me the right you lost. Would love to hear it. Oh that's right. You can't.

Sad thing is you were empowered by SCOTUS to have your elected officials make abortion legal, safe, and secure. This is why liberalism is a mental disorder.

And if you want "control," fine. Fly to Kalifornia tonight, recklessly have unprotected sex, get knocked up, and abort away. That should satisfy your own "control." Sadly, you most likely didn't feel that way over people being forced to take COVID shots. I could be wrong, but I doubt I am.

[GoodGuyBreakingBad]

It happened now it's up to the States of America to decide

[exitseven]

It is just another promise that President Trump made good on.

[888theGreat]

Like a lead weight has been taking away from me and now we will have more people for our tax base and maybe I will actually get my Social Security.

[Creampiekarl420]

like this 🎉 🎉💗👩‍🍼👶

[anylolone]

Well, it was a mess legally, good it was overturned.

If you don't like it, do it right and take to congress.

[Waldoe]

I am not a Woman, so My opinion doesn't matter, 53% of women are Pro-life... it sounds like "women" have an issue with "women"

[H8INCHES]

The overturn of Roe vs Wade DOES NOT ban abortions. Therefore, I don't see it as anything. States will vote to allow or ban based on their population's opinions. AS IT SHOULD BE

[OddBeMe]

Maybe this will finally get libs to the voting booth.

[npiatanas]

I hope the Supreme Court reconsiders the decision on gay marriage as well.

[LazerBean]

We will definitely be celebrating this weekend.

[Cubus]

Good, it was against constitution.

[KrakenAttackin]

I love seeing liberals lose their shit.

[Pterodon]

It should’ve always been up to the states

[kinkyoldman]

Good, small step In Right direction

[lofii]

A step in the right direction.

[fireforeffect]

It is about time!! Praise God!!

[CloudMassacre]

Disgusted

[Dohbeieirjen]

Abortion is murder

[BillyBalls]

'Bout time!!

[WhiteBoyChill]

Tears of joy.

[flxflxflx]

nice bro

[jimmy2]

Praise God