I stumbled upon a question and got triggered. The girl said she didn’t want more Spanish-speaking people in her country but USA is multicultural. Also, it’s amazing being able to visit a city in the USA and experience other cultures. Imagine it was the same language and same thing all across the USA, wouldn’t that be boring? I don’t support mass illegal immigration but I love diversity. That first pic is inside USA. China town!
Disagree, causes issues. They must assimilate.
Agree, multiculturalism is beautiful and so are other languages and foods. It adds to our diversity.
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I don’t understand the problem with importing people and allowing them to keep their culture and language because it’s beautiful. What is the problem?
The only reason China is important to the US is b/c it's cheap manufacturing. A lot of shit is made in China, but majority of that junk falls apart quickly. Look at the brands you buy that are made in China, for example, I bought some Good American jeans and a dress. POS. But females buy the crap b/c it's Kardashians! Now, of course people criticize illegal immigrants of Hispanic decent, but they are very hard workers whether they hablo ingles or not. And if u wanna talk about the drug cartel.. they wouldn't bring the shit if Americans wouldn't do it so much!
I agree with you. Unfortunately I'm not surprised to see that most GAG users are against diversity. GAG is full of racists and xenophobes. Also, many Americans don't like foreigners. I would love to live in a multicultural country!
As a 1st-generation newcomer to the U. S., I'd agree… for the most part. We grow-up with a certain culture, with childhood snacks & dishes, values, and ways of life. Moving to a new country allows us to experience more, get the best of both worlds, and even contribute to our adapted homelands what we already enjoy.
But at the same time, cultures aren't all the same: Some cultures are more imposing, less live-and-let-live, and more predatory than others when they become predominant enough. For example: ● Back in the Philippines, we have an immigrant-group that doesn't cause problems, that serves the community well with great products & services are awesome prices, taught us cherished foods, and indroduced useful vocabulary to our languages. In fact (if anything), we've actually historically oppressed them by repeatedly accusing them of stealing our jobs (when we ourselves choose them over competitors) and (during the Spanish occupation) imposing state-sponsored massacres until their Emperor sent the Spanish governor of Manila a threat of invasion if the massacres of his subjects didn't stop. (Thankfully, we've improved since then!) ● As a contrast, we have another group that compels all of a demographic of the population (members of their culture or not, whether fellow-compatriot or even outright foreigner) to wear their clothes whenever in their areas, repeated & persistent wars of independence, and had (until recently, but with the repeal opposed by them) the country's only exceptions to laws against marrying children. They've settled-down now, and are fine with greater autonomy (working-up to Federalism, if we can re-write our Constitution).
I'd say policies of any jurisdiction shouldn't be by dogma, but the actual actions & attitudes of specific cultures in their area. If they are friendly, contribute to the well-being of their fellow-citizens from whatever cultures & subcultures, and actually act like good & dutiful citizens of the same country, then good! Welcome them and reward their good behavior. They've earned their trust. Even them creating their own enclave is a treat: The 1st step into their enclave is like that 1st step out of the airport & into their original country.
But if any culture is unfriendly to others, imposes on the majority beyond what's reasonable, tries to hijack the jurisdiction, mistreats all else in their area, even imposes violence for more power, different policies will be needed.
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The funny thing is, is most people against multiculturalism are uneducated, low intelligence, etc. Generally society's losers that blame others for their own inferiorities... it's easier to blame an immigrant for "stealing their job" when reality is if they were legitimately qualified for the job... how the hell is an immigrant stealing it from them. Just means the company was looking for a replacement long before they realized it.
Take the person who said she doesn't want anymore Spanish speakers. She obviously failed high school history lessons. If it weren't for the British coming to the Americas Spanish then Portuguese, French & German/Dutch would be the languages to know. English would've been a minority language until the mid possibly even late 1800s.
I mean what sort of imbeciles don't realize that their own country only exists because of multiculturalism going back centuries. .
Never mind - addressing the Spanish - illegal immigrants from Mexico and what not is SOLELY due to global economy designed by predominantly anglos so big businesses thrive. Who the hell do you think prompts global economy - and with it cheap foreign labour - when anglo politicians are taking payouts from these companies?
Same with the UK and other countries. The politicians, the dimwit locals vote in truly believing these people care about the Jack Simpletons and Sally Dumbos in their ridings when all politicians care about is making as much money as they can while in office, in the UK and other countries prompt global economy so big businesses thrive, politicians get money in their back pockets - again an Anglo inventory why else is English the "language of trade" (idiots) - and with it cheap labour.
Once again global economy is a dumbass Anglo invention and ironically they bitch the loudest.
You will not see other countries such as Russia pandering to cheap labour - they either assimilate, get a job, or starve - as with countries that support global economy, etc.
Only reason why global economy exists... is dumbass Anglos and predominantly dumbass Anglos from the US which pushes global economy up every other country's backside like it's something good.
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The first bit about low intelligence Such people are on the same category automated cashiers "stealing" jobs (where you ring yourself out as a customer). I've been to cashiers who can not, for the life of them, figure out the simplest math if they ring you out & you give them coins afterwards.
Bill is $45.65. If you give them a $50.00 that they ring out & then proceed to give them the 65 cents... they won't have a clue to give you a $5 back without you telling them.
The problem isn't them keeping their culture, it is they bring their existing culture and then wonder why it doesn't work for them like the existing does.
For example my grandparents on my fathers side immigrated from Mexico, and they adapted to what they called the white culture and have been successful.
That does not mean that they abandoned their culture, we still celebrate it to this day... so we are cross cultured.
Had they come here, and refused to learn English and demanded that the US change to accommodate them, they would of failed and then blamed the existing culture for not adapting to them and claimed discrimination most likely.
So there is nothing wrong with immigrants keeping their culture but they need to adapt as well, nothing wrong with doing it both ways.
I disagree though that someone can come here and never learn English and then demand that the government and others learn their language. Far as I'm concerned the government should print and do all government business in English only and not provide translators, people can bring their own... to save tax payer money.
Yeah totally fine, as long as they also assimilate at the same time... as many come and refuse to learn English, want tax payer translators and then complain they can't succeed in the US because of their culture.
There is also some cultures that focus on hard work where others do not.
Not going to answer that directly, but you could look at governments/countries around the world, and see which ones are failed based on culture, even if they are in rich in natural resources and which governments and countries succeed, even in not very rich resource area's. You will notice patterns that are quite obvious... and what the dominant culture is in those area's.
Don’t you think history of exploitation would have anything to do with a country’s standing today? When the Spanish colonized Mexico and other parts of Latin America, their primary goals were to export as much resources as possible back to Europe. We also did a lot of shady things to the Middle East and Africa
Sure, if someone alive today remembers when the Spanish were down there... since no one is actually alive, no... they've had over a century to do their own thing, that is more than enough time. The US could very well be a failed country that blames its colonization history, but within a hundred years of independence was doing far better... heck even 20 and 50 years later was doing far better.
Makes you wonder what they've been doing wrong for the last hundred years as that history of exploitation is ancient history and long gone... not a excuse anymore.
It really should only take 10 to 20 years after they get freedom to use their culture and be successful, anything longer is just a loser excuse for their poor culture.
You can move to a foreign country and keep your culture. People do it all the time, including in America. And I would know, my mom and a bunch of her friends moved to America in their twenties. They speak in their language with each other all the time and nobody bothers them. But do you know which ones of them end up having an easier life? The ones who are able to communicate with everybody else in America most easily. Not learning English only hurts that person themselves, nobody else. One of my mom's friends is struggling in a lawsuit because she cannot herself convey what she wants to talk and has to have a middleman. The lawsuit began in the first place because she was trusting one of her fellow countrymen to handle all her paperwork because he can speak English better, which led to him stealing their credit cards and identity, and also persuading two young girls who also can't speak English into pretty much being his concubines because they were scared of not being able to make it since they can't even speak to anyone.
American "multiculturalism" isn't really a... Peaceful thing.
America has long been a cultural melting pot - but the aim isn't to bring in other cultures. It's to assimilate them with the White Puritan American mainstream.
Americans have always been encouraged to view people unlike themselves as "invaders" to "their" land (irony). It's often safer for other cultures to hide or obscure their cultural practices so they don't get targetted by racists in the States.
Compare that to someplace like Canada, where even our conservative politicians agree that diversity and other cultures make our people stronger. Not only is it in our laws to protect other cultures (admittedly, we need to do more to protect them and also protect First Nations peoples), but we frequently celebrate them. Cultural days and festivals are common.
Of course, Canadian racists still exist. That's always gonna be a thing, though. Not because of laws but because people can be dicks.
A lot of Americans don't really consciously know why they have the biases and intolerance they do. But it doesn't take long to find their racist surroundings, media when they grew up, policies and politicians they support, or just their parents as the source of their hand-me-down ideology.
Hopefully more Americans think like you, with time. As white people become less of a majority, I think it'll come more easily.
And the younger generations who have begun disconnecting with their parents and living their own lives are also generally more exposed to minorities than their parents. So they're more likely to grow up tolerant.
Because some cultures are better than others. Islam specifically takes advantage of this open arms culture that many countries have. Iran, wasn't always an Islamic country, same with SE Asia, same with west Africa. I mean why TF are white western women wearing a damned hijab "in solidarity" with Muslim women?
Hell Spanish people are known for being big on the nightlife. They eat dinner at 9 pm whereas everyone else its more like 5 or 6. Simple things like this can completely uproot a local village or town. I remember when a local city had to evacuate an impending disaster and those people descended onto my city. Completely different culture within the same state! You saw more litter on the streets, you saw more pedestrians, you saw the public transit get strained, because that city was less driveable than my city. Shelves were empty of things that never used to be, loud music later in the evening, these people were less friendly than the locals, these people had a different set of priorities, and work ethic. Block parties every weekend, like bro we don't do that shit here! Move your damned cars out of the road! Hell I remember living in south Florida. The Haitians had a completely different work ethic than say the Cubans, and Puerto Ricans... and it was frustrating to anyone who had to work with them. Lets not forget language and willingness to assimilate. You've got people that have lived here for 20 GD years and they still speak English like they're 5.
"Culture is more than the GD food!" ~Stefan Molyneux
I don't see a problem with it either, but this is how I look at it.
If a person has left one country and moved to another, because they think it's better, then they have to adapt to a good enough extent and fit in.
You can keep your language and culture and all, but if there's certain aspects of it that don't fit it, then get rid, it's like going to someone's house as a guest, you follow their rules.
People can speak their native language too, but you have to learn the language of the new country you're settling in.
There's nothing wrong with other aspects of it like bringing in certain foods from your culture, clothes, etc.
In as much as English is the defacto official language of the US, interacting with people who barely speak and understand the language is bothersome. I don’t expect to walk into a store or restaurant in Little Egypt and engage with someone who speaks English perfectly, but if i have to call a company or, more importantly my government, and the person taking my call can’t understand me or I can’t understand them, we have a serious problem. I appreciate any plurality of cultures as much as the next, but i shouldn’t end up in jail for tax evasion because the city clerk couldn’t help me when i called about my income tax notice, due entirely to the language barrier. If you’re just mad cuz you don’t understand other people’s conversations or are worried they’re talking about you, that’s just petty and i think there’s some of that too.
You clearly don't know how a nation works. People have to have a shared culture, which includes (possibly most importantly) language. The cohesion among people with a shared culture is what facilitates communication, trust, and collective effort toward something. When a country is "multi-cultural" this just means it's filled with people who have nothing significant in common with each other. They don't understand each other, think the same, believe the same, or even eat anything similar on dissimilar holidays. This may work when you have a police state, but eventually it disintegrates into a society wracked with loneliness, mental illness, and ultimately violence.
I agree with you its kinda creepy to take away someones culture and identity, we should either find a way for a compromise somehow to keep there culture and convert it into an American subculture by there terms were we have our unifying social values. Not by controlling them or forcing assimilation, but becoming more friendly to there culture and making sure everyone follows certain social values that are cohesive. We should all follow certain things that our are country. Like if I go to ghana, or rome, or australia, there are certain social values I should uphold to get along with them. But I can still keep by stuff with me though.
Why would you travel to another culture just to bring your own one with you? If anyone should be appreciating diversity, it should be people migrating. They've /chosen/ to go somewhere else. Also worth noting, a lot of countries that have the most people leaving them... are shitholes. But then those people want to bring their culture with them, not realising that all they're doing is bringing the reason they fled their shithole /with them/ rather than leaving it behind.
The people are good but their leaders and countries are not. Don’t mistake the two. They aren’t moving here for the diversity… but for a better life and they come from extreme poverty and are less educated so as a result, they won’t know English or very little as they had bigger problems to worry about. That’s why I give them the free pass to speak their own language here
@CountessSarah - I'm surprised you're from the UK supposedly, do you not have any culture, any pride in your history, any pride in your family? What do you think the UK is? It was ancient America - a mixture of French, Swedes, Germanics, Russians & Finns even, etc. There is very little authentic Celtic anymore except for what you'd find among remote areas of Scotland, Ireland & Wales. That's why Irish, Welsh & Scots are very culturally associated - and more insulted by people making a mockery of their history than many know-little oftentimes booze-glugging mix-of-europeans English
OK. If you won't just clarify your point without being a dick about it then I'll assume you didn't have one. I have no patience for fools, go waste someone else's time.
Its going to be almost impossible to maintain a single political system of any kind without common cultural core.
Like it or not Governments no matter how limited must reflect a common set of cultural values at least to the extent to which they govern. Failing to do so creates a source for political conflict the sum of which can undermine the political union.
Diversity can be a strength but its also a large liability if it is not reflected and managed by legal walls politicians are rather poor at observing even in the best of systems.
If we enjoy multiculturalism, why have Americans taken other nationalities' foods and made them into something unrecognizable or altered the taste immensely. Doing that to an ethnic food is disgusting at a minimum and more probably brazen insolence. I know that has happened to my ethnic foods.
diversity is our death. We are already seeing it. With enough influx of people from races with lower average IQ, it will be impossible to maintain the modern, civilized rule of law and material things we are used to, i. e. supply chain issues, safe clean neighborhoods, etc. The USA is becoming just like the places these people are fleeing, they are bringing "it" with them. You can really see it in places where there is too much "diversity". Asians can stay, they are intellectually capable of building and maintaining an advanced civilization
Another absolutely ridiculous GAG question. Go to Mexico and see what language is spoken there. Japan. China. Afghanistan. Yeah, didn't think so.
Learning to speak English and holding onto culture are two different things, just as holding onto culture and accepting America's cultural norms are as well.
You point of view suggests you are not an experienced world traveler. If somehow you are, you're merely a tourist that never left the resort and ate McDonald's at the airport.
I agree with you up to a point. People should definitely be able to keep their own languages and cultures but they should also learn a minimum level of English so they can communicate with other people not of their culture (and post on GAG lol). This is especially true if they’re going to be doing customer service jobs.
I love multiculturalism but I also think some integration is necessary. When humans feel like they belong to a different group they start making comparisons between their group and others and that leads to competition and hostile behaviour towards the other groups. It becomes a us vs them. People simply take it too far.
Diversity,,,, I’ve heard that word so much I wanna puke on it. Whoever said that we don’t need more foreigners in the United States was probably not referring to the occasional 5 people who arrive from Poland or wherever. Most likely it was about the enormous explosion of the southern border. Biden literally said before he was (supposedly) elected president that no one would get deported and everyone should come. This led (still ongoing) to a flood of Mexicans and Salvadorans exploding across the border from the day Biden took office. The southern states, especially Texas, are in serious trouble now trying to handle more than a thousand immigrants per day who in most cases speak zero English and some don’t even have any form of Id. Along with them come drugs criminals trafficking …you name it. No one cares if a family from Vietnam move to Arizona bruh
It is probably better to have a country with a language that everyone can communicate in. People from dozens of countries have immigrated to the USA and the second generation could speak English. I see no reason for an exception for Spanish speaking immigrants.
I don't have a problem with them keeping their culture, or bringing their foods, entertainment, language, etc. The problem starts when they think that I should learn THEIR culture and LANGUAGE to the point where I'm fluent in it, just because they won't learn mine. In the end, you're the newcomer. I'm not going to learn Mung just because you're here in the USA. Learn English, because that's what we speak.
China predict that need long time to be like Taiwan but taiwanese enter to be like Japan. like Final fantasy15. You know what is that problem? not only appears in FF15 other animation are so but taiwanese are like girls in adults video always said no no no but get wet in mainland China.
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It's not a problem with multiculturalism. It's a problem with White immigrant fragility.
African nations, Middle Eastern and the Eastern nations don't mind immigrants to the extent the USA does. Despite the USA being 98% a nation born of immigrants with no history past 200 odd years.
Hence it's nothing but insecurity and shame, these people just deflect with their xenophobia.
The USA isn't multicultural though, that's literally a political strategy by the Democrat party. Americans tend to vote more Right, so the Democrats decided their strategy would be to import a new Leftist population to replace actual Americans, since Americans won't give them enough power.
Imagine moving to another country and wearing an American flag as a cape, decorating your mailbox with an American flag, and flying an American flag in front of your house?
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People are free to celebrate their ancestry. However taxpayers should not be expected to provide translators and bi-lingual education. They need to learn English.
That has nothing to do with taking anything from them. It's just a sign of not wanting to GIVE to them, since if you're going to move to another country, it's reasonable to expect that you'll have at least a minimal level of proficiency with the language BEFORE you do that.
Dude, racism is a weird belief system. And there isn't a single racist who can explain it in a way that folks who possess common sense can understand it.
They should know the language of the country they migrate to, and respect the laws of the land. However, they shouldn't have to erase their culture/language in order to achieve that.
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Just look at France, it's practically an Islamic Caliphate and the original culture is suppressed and dying. Replacement immigration is just a stopgap for the failure of our work till you drop economic system.
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We have progressed a great deal since people migrated from places to places, so I am all for it and happy that it is the way it is.
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