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Do you trust the education you got in public school when it came to subjective topics (history, government, social studies, etc)? (Page 2)
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Please correct your question and properly substitute indoctrination for education.
Lmao. It’s too bad that GAG doesn’t allow edits. But I honestly wanted to see how many people voted A or worse B. Also like seeing their comments.
I don't think my education set me up for success at all. I developed a disability but I went through normal school and what I took away from it was high school is only really for a specific kind of person. If you have issues it's not very forgiving for your self esteem. I was constantly told that my work wasn't good enough at school by teachers and I was made fun of a lot by other students. I probably would have done a lot better if I went through special school. To this day I struggle with self esteem issues and schizophrenia and it's made it very hard to find work and study because I feel defeated.
The education i got back then was 100% propaganda and total BS. Saddam Hussein was having (Me vs The World) visions. There is no point in being mad on how fucked up the education was, now i am in Sweden and i have better knowledge since i got here.
most teachers are libtards. for the simple reason that they never had to do anthing in the "real" economy. they went from school straight back to school and never saw what the work life is really like for most people, so they have super fantastic liberal ideas that can only make sense to people who never had to do actual "work" in the sense of you're evaluated and paid based on performance copared to other people.
I agree. Me and the very few other conservative teachers I know all had other jobs and real world experience for years before becoming a teacher, but the ones that went straight from high school to the college indoctrination camps are almost always liberal and are often intentionally dishonest with their students.
@genericname85 I got family members who are educators and are “secretly” conservative. The real problem is the school administration.
Yeah tell me about it. I'm a conservative with a degree in social science. This mayor is overrun with liberal ideologues.
I haven't found anything wrong about my education except that some things are certainly outdated now. So if the school teaches the same material today they are fooled. But I have seen major problems in how media is reporting issues today, it's certainly propaganda and not unbiased information. My education was incomplete for sure when it comes to history but that a really big topic so they need to limit the scope.
Everything you claim to not have been taught WAS taught in my history and government classes. Remember, education standards are mostly set by states, not the federal government. However, I DO NOT trust the government to teach true history anymore. Whenever I have kids, they are going to private or homeschool.
My boyfriend is quite a bit older than me and has a college education and is very into history and stuff. I often have to Google things because I remember being taught something different and he's normally right
I had some fantastic teachers in public schools that were much more knowledgeable and taught me how to research facts and spot biased information. It was the private religious schools that taught with an agenda using poorly educated and often nutty as a peanut farm teachers!
They used the worst teacher for subjects like history so we didn’t learn anything in school for their to be anything to trust or distrust. In college i did have teachers that taught and I will say that it did seem to be politically motivated from one of the teachers.
Depends on where you were educated.
What I did learn here in Canada was all true and factual, though there were major gaps. I can't recall what they were though, because I identified them and broadened my studies on my own to fill them in years ago.
I do recall that studying colonialism in Asia was particularly helpful in understanding the motivations of China.
My education taught me how to research topics like this in a reliable way, so I trust that. I remember getting a lot of pro-American bias (not learning about the bad things the US and our allies have done, at least until hs/college), but no education can be complete. I trust that it taught me how to find out more.
No, we were groomed for false patriotism. We were lied to about our history with one that makes the usa seem like it has never been wrong or been the bad guys aside from slavery and prevented from learning actual social skills that will help us thrive outside of basic low pay dead end slave jobs
The Department of Education should be closed.
No Federal money for government schools. The states and communities should if they choose.
Outlaw teacher unions.
Government should not dictate curricula
What are you talking about. The government sponsored entrainment is exactly what we need for freedom to happen.
I live in California and in my education there was no left wing bias at all, they were still teaching us that Columbus discovered America up until 6th grade and I barely learned about slavery or Native Americans in school and I only had one teacher that outwardly talked about politics and she was a republican
The nice thing about living in a free country is that if you don’t agree with the substance of a given curriculum, you can freely go to the library or bookstore and read about the same events from an alternative source. Get your info from all angles.
i remember doing papers on whether or not FDR made the great depression worse lmao. you either have bad memory or you're a bad student. we also talked about the march of nanking and other things.
i think you're just an idiot who thinks history is being politicize without realizing history is written by the victors.
America has one of the worst education systems amongst all the first world countries. what do you have to brag about the American school system?
The quality varies enormously. There are some great school systems in America. And some that are useless.
@zagor
most of your kids are math illiterate. do you realize that?
And some are brilliant.
One of the problems is the poor tend to have more kids than the rich.
@zagor
no. its because your kids are disrespectful towards teachers. education is not part of American values. Your schools are more like daycare centers rather than teachers teaching. and its hilarious how americans still have so many positive things to say about their education system when most of your kids are failing in school. Teachers are turning 50s into 75
That is true about a lack of respect for education. My nephew was very smart as a kid, reading a lot and very quick-witted. What do his parents do? Involve him in sports to the point of exhaustion for his entire childhood.
@shaysh87 you are really are making a swooping generalization here. Why do you think I made this into a poll? Because I wanted to get different responses.
There are over 330 million people in the USA and it’s a very segmented country. Cultures and values can vary greatly depending what region you are in. Why do you think abortion is such a hot topic right now? Some states use taxpayer money to pay for abortion vs other states that ban it outright. I don’t want to go down that rabbit hole but it’s just an example of how different the country can be depending where you live.
With that said I do to a certain extent agree with some of the bullshit that goes on in American public education. It’s more important in some school districts that kids learn about critical race theory and “trans” education vs. being able to do basic algebra.
Also teachers are limited with being able to harshly discipline disruptive/delinquent students. My father told me about how corporal punishment was widely accepted in his day. Not now.
@zagor
i attended school in america from preschool all the way to 12th grade. then spending another 5 years in college. i know what your schools are like. Your kids aren't taught the basics of English writing and math at a young age. this is why your kids are having such a hard time. when you don't have a good solid foundation in the basics, you will only struggle as things get harder when you enter middle school and high school.
secondly , I've studied in school with very terrible misbehaving kids for many years. American schools are just day care centers rather than institutions designed to teach. Teachers being spat at, punched, cursed, interrupted during lectures. There is no discipline at all. Your parents do not care. There is a culture of disrespect towards teachers in america.
@zagor
I have seen enough high school and college students who tell me they are math illiterate or they'd fail at any sight of a math question.
@Asker
U. S. students’ academic achievement still lags that of their peers in many other countries
www.pewresearch.org/.../
A 2013 Pew Research Center survey, using similar question wording, found that Americans were also most likely to point to the difficulty of science and math as the main reason more young people don’t pursue degrees in these fields.
www.pewresearch.org/.../
The US was once a leader for healthcare and education — now it ranks 27th in the world
www.businessinsider.com/us-ranks-27th-for-healthcare-and-education-2018-9
Why Do Americans Stink at Math?
www.nytimes.com/.../...mericans-stink-at-math.html
I managed to pass engineering calculus my sophomore year in college and I am not a natural at math. It was a weed out course where 40% of the class failed.
With that said you have a point about some of those statistics. We lag behind because we are distracted by meaningless bs.
@Asker
there's a lot that is wrong with america. your kids are the most rotten on earth. In other countries, students stand up and say good morning when the teacher enters the room. In other countries, failing a test meant determining the quality of your future life. In the US, nobody cares if a student fails. There are even students partying after they receive a D because they say "its a good grade because at least I didn't get an F". There are tons of kids who attend public school for 12 years that graduate and still cannot write a paragraph with decent grammar.
I've seen teachers literally cry because the kids are just so disrespectful, loud and rowdy.
Where are you from? How much have you traveled?
I live in NYC.
And how much time have you spent abroad?
I have lots of family members who are from foreign countries. I , myself, was born and raised in the US. In other countries, kids actually respect teachers. Education is taken way more seriously in other countries than in the US. Often your test score determines a huge chunk of your future. In the US, kids are proud to fail.
@shaysh87 and what do you think would be a resolution?
You know there are tuition voucher legislation going on. That is a parent can decide to send their kid to a private school and they get a tax credit because the kid is no longer using tax payer resources (attending a public school).
My niece, younger brother and sister attended private primary schools. They were a year ahead when they got out of them. They had to wear uniforms, there are smaller classrooms and more discipline.
@Asker
I have seen a major increase in parents opting to send their kids to charter schools over the past 10 years. When I was growing up , very few kids attended private or charter schools. Now even a lot of poor parents are sending their kids to charter schools. why do you think? its because your federal public schools are failing. In the charter schools around my area, kids need to be performing up to a specific standard in order to stay in the charter school. Standards are higher in these schools. Do you know what they do in public schools? When I was still there in 2012, students used to score 50 on their exam. Then they will put a "curve" of an additional 25 points in order to make that into a passing grade of a 75. This is explains the reason how many people spend 13 years studying in the public school system , graduate and then cannot even write a decent cover letter.
I had a nightmare attending public school while growing up. I have seen teachers cry, students all flying, going crazy in the classroom like its a playground, teachers get bullied by students , one teacher was even afraid of exposing a student of cheating because she was afraid the students will give her a harder time in class, teachers had to come up with a lot of tricks to try to shut students up so that he can lecture. Teachers cannot lecture if the kids do not stop talking to their friends. Kids will have no the desire to learn and achieve if their parents do not enforce education as a strong part of their values. I can tell you for certain that education is not a widely valued in the US. Parents are more concerned about their kids doing housework than doing well in school.
@Asker
A lot of these problems are due to the fact that we live in a culture where authority figures are not respected. We live in a culture where kids threaten to call child protective services on parents whenever they are unhappy receiving punishment. We do not respect police officers. We do not respect older people. In other cultures, its a requirement to respect older people or those who are senior to you. In our culture, its shameful to be older.
In other countries, all students stand up and say good morning whenever the teacher walks into the room. Students do not talk to their friends during lectures. A bad grade can really take a deep effect on a student's mood. In other countries, getting a D means spending your future working minimum wage job at mcdonalds and a terrible ass whooping from the parents. . In the US, kids are happy to get Ds. Kids here do not get punished for bad grades either. why? because parents do not care.
@shaysh87 you are exactly right. This crap started in the 1960s and gotten worse and worse.
It’s complex though. For example there are a lot of single mothers who have sons who weren’t raised by a strong father figure. Their sons look for male role models in the wrong places (rappers, idiot celebrities, etc). Also there is a feminist push that a young woman disrespecting a male authority figure is “fighting patriarchy”.
Also many parents don’t beat their kids when they are being brats or even discipline them. I was a 80s and 90s kid. Both parents gave me an ass kicking if I got out of line. While it’s arguable that this can go too far but a complete lack of discipline ruins everything.
But honestly those are all separate topics. Legitimate topics but separate from my original question. Are education curriculums factual and nonpartisan when it comes to teaching subjects that can be open to interpretation (history, political science, social studies, etc?). It really depends on what school you attended but there is a push to have an agenda when “educating” young children. If there wasn’t then I highly doubt George Washington would of been introduced as a “slave owner” in the first sentence of his biography. Not to say that fact should be omitted. He should definitely be included. But using that in the first sentence to describe our nation’s founding father and first President? Really? Context does have a major impact and activist educators know it.
@Asker
It has nothing to do with single mothers or lack of a father at home. I have seen kids raised by single mothers that turned out significantly better than kids being born to 2 parents. It all has to do with the type of parenting at home. Some parents are more lenient and less strict than others. Nobody cares if you have a strong father figure at home, if your father does not enforce education at home or if he does not punish you adequately for misbehaving. It has nothing to do with how many parents you have. It has to do with how your parent raised you.
There are single moms who expect their kids to cook dinner, set the table and have dinner ready by a certain time otherwise, there will be drastic consequences. This drills in a sense of responsibility in a kid at a very young age. Then there are kids with both a mother and a father who never expects their kids to do anything around the house. By the kid reaches 17, he will lash out at his parents if they want him to do anything. Kids who are forced to be responsible at a young age tend to do better in school and life as adults.
Often times parents complain about their kids doing poorly in school, never listening to them, being bad but it has nothing to do with the kid. The kid is acting like a piece of shit because the parent did not raise him well. Discipline and responsibility starts a very young age, not when the kid is 16.
I do agree that part of the reason why kids are so unruly is because parents no longer beat their kids. I can tell you from experience that a good beating is the most effective way to discipline a child. Older generations seem to be more educated than are able to write better than the younger generations because education was better back then. Authority figures were still respected back then.
@Asker
how do you ask this question ": Are education curriculums factual and nonpartisan when it comes to teaching subjects that can be open to interpretation (history, political science, social studies, etc?)" if your education system can't teach anything?
I have seen plenty of 35 yr old adults who are clueless about NATO, Cold war, Soviet Union. Obviously the education system has failed massively in teaching. Its a day care system, not a teaching system.
But there is nothing objective about our school system , especially when it comes to history. Certain parts of our history is over glorified and over emphasized in schools while there are certain things that they brush under a rug and hope nobody ever finds out about it.
There were things about our history that I would've dreamed of learning about until I took a college level history course.
There were things about our history that I would've never**** dreamed of learning about until I took a college level history course.
For example?
@zagor
They left out the history of Asian and irish immigrants. They kept talking about the same topics: slavery, Japanese internment camps, WWII or that blacks built American railroads which were vital to the growth of our economy.
But never ever bothered to teach the fact that thousands of irish and chinese immigrants died by taking on the most dangerous unwanted jobs building america's railroads , most of them perished due to dangerous insects, overwork, diseases, lack of food. These were jobs that even blacks didn't want to do. Only the most discriminated minorities such as the chinese and irish people took on these dangerous jobs because employers were racist. Blacks weren't hated the most. It was the chinese and the irish. American railroads and the foundation of the economy wasn't only built my blacks, it was also built by irish and chinese. But nobody cares mentioning about this in history textbooks.
During the 1800s, there were a few instances of many chinese laborer's who were butchered to death due to taking up jobs in america because Chinese labor was substantially cheaper than white labor. There was another case of an innocent man named Vincent Chin who was murdered due to a misunderstanding due to a similar reason.
@zagor
In my city, the fire departments and sanitation departments have historically been filled with Irish people for over a hundred years. why? because firefighting and garbage worker jobs were the most undesirable jobs in society. So for generations, it was the irish people who were the most hated and discriminated against that did this type of work. Even blacks didn't want to take on this type of work.
Even in college discussions about race and justice, the conversations are always about either "blacks" or "whites". Everything is about what "blacks" face. There is no voice for persons that do not fit into the "black" or "white" category. Our educational system is deeply racist and everything that is done is purely INTENTIONAL.
Blacks are the singular most powerful minority in the country. And their experiences are overrated, over discussed. If you're not black or white, you do not matter.
I remembered how my 5th grade teacher went taught us the gruesome and horrifying details of the Hiroshima/Nagasaki atomic bombings. We even had to read a book about a young 8 year old Japanese girl who died from radiation poisoning because her mother was pregnant with her when it happened.
And you know what that is fine to teach kids about that. But she ever mentioned the heinous bs the imperial Japan did during WW2. Like the Bataan death March or the rape of Nanjing. This was a wide scale rape and mass murder of hundreds of thousands of people committed by the Japanese.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nanjing_Massacre
@zagor
I grew up hearing stories about the mistreatment chinese immigrant laborers faced during the 1800s and early 1900s from my dad. The chinese used to open up restaurants and laundromats because the racist whites refused to hire them. The racist whites hired blacks, but not the chinese. If the whites wouldn't hire them, they'd have no way to make a living. But they knew the whites loved chinese food and everyone needed clothes to be washed. Hence to this day, the chinese people are known for their restaurants and laundromats.
My father told me that chinese restaurant workers used to get beat up very often, or were expected to wipe the mouths of the white man after he finished eating, often they didn't even pay for the food. The police never sided or helped the chinese immigrants at all. It was the white man's word above all.
You never hear about any of this in history class. All you heard about was the civil rights march and Rosa Parks not giving up her seat for a white woman, Emmet Till's death. Not that these don't matter but where is the recognition for my ancestors?
@Asker
US will always love talking shit about other countries. But never once will they ever own up to their own misdeeds. US is a very racist country where immigrants have always been treated like shit. But they would never tell you about it, would they?
Wrong. Only the "wrong" immigrants were treated like shit.
@zagor
they were all legal immigrants. Did you know White men even purchased chinese laborers straight from china? Clearly you don't know about this. why? because the education intentionally hid this from you. Thats why you're so clueless.
Whites have historically treated the irish and Asians like trash. Even worse than the blacks. Even today, if you receive racism or discrimination while you're not black, nobody cares.
“ Even today, if you receive racism or discrimination while you're not black, nobody cares.”
This is actually encouraged through “equity” (not equality, equity) bullshit.
@zagor
It wasn't even actually purchasing laborers; it was more like purchasing slaves. Little children, young teenagers were purchased straight from extremely poor, rural , starving villages in china. Then these youngsters will spend their entire lives serving the white man in america until their deaths. They never got paid any money but were only fed to keep alive so they could continue to slave for their masters.
Many of them die very young due to diseases, overwork and malnutrition. They were also frequently the victim of discrimination, beatings , massacres. Back then, everyone was racist. Nobody cared if you had immigration papers or not. If you are not white , you will get discriminated or even killed. If you're not white, the police will never help you or be on your side. It is only worse if you aren't black.
@Asker
Blacks are the most favored minority in the US. You have no idea how many times I've been a victim of racism when I was a kid. I got no support from the community. I have seen people who would condemn racism against blacks but laugh at cheap Asian jokes.
I don't know about your school but we learned about Chinese immigrants working on the railroads in elementary school. Maybe because it was on the West Coast. Also studied the local Native American cultures.
@zagor
Nobody knows chinese worked on railroads. I know this because I was never taught this along with many of the kids around my age growing up in other public schools. Everyone brings up black slavery but nobody knows anything about the chinese other than the constant blabber about "Japanese internment camps".
Do you know why so many chinese people own laundromats and restaurants? because whites refused to hire chinese people. These businesses were the only way they could make a living. They only hired blacks and whites, but never the Chinese or the irish.
America is a country built by immigrants, but they refuse to give our ancestors any credit for it.
America
You obviously didn't grow up in the west. There was mention of Chinese laborers on the railroads, and in mines in the Sierra's. It was common knowledge.
@zagor
Nobody knows that the chinese and irish built the railroads. Every time anyone mentions Asian history were "japanese internment camps". Very little about Asian American history is taught in schools. Its black history that dominates every racial discussion. Even in universities, this is the case in racial justice coures.
When I was in school what back when they taught us history now everything is sugared down or have an agenda my wife is 25 years younger than me, and I have to teach her things they didn't teach her in school
People should read on their own as well. There’s no way any curriculum can be the final word on anything.
I gave my students some of my own books on physics and encouraged them to read widely outside of class.
It was really fair, they teached us everything as neutral as possible, but they could've teached us better things generally speaking.. it's another topic tho