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With all due respect please only answer if you’ve been watching the hearings. Otherwise this question does not pertain to you.
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At this point the pole is 50-50 which means that just as many Republicans are watching the hearings as Democrats which I find very hard to believe. For arguments sake let’s say that 25% of what’s being said is true the fact that Republicans can’t see what’s right in front of them is more worrying than frustrating as to where this country is headed. when people can be so easily brainwashed by one single man it’s only a matter of time before this country goes down. Kinda sucks
If you’ve been watching the hearings what political party do you identify with? Democratic or Republican?
I’ve watched the whole thing, it’s great television, lmao. I try to stay out of politics, but I’ll concede that I kind of think disdainfully of the American conservative agenda, surely on a social level, anyway. Trump is actually the first politician to ever make me care about politics one iota. I’m sure this will offend some, but truthfully, I saw Trump, and more importantly, the attitude that Trump’s whole manner elicited from many of his supporters, so really just the resulting behavior of a lot of the general public, and just on a soul level, I was just like “this is disgusting and I can absolutely not have my good name attached to a country and society like the one they’re pushing for, absolutely NOT.” So, safe to say, I’m not coming into this as a Trump fan, or even a Republican fan. But that doesn’t mean I’m by necessity a Democrat. Truth told, I think we were never supposed to surpass caveman life, basically, so this is all erroneous attempts at a society we shouldn’t have. But I’m outnumbered in that belief, so here I am, and here we are, and operating under that reluctantly accepted state of affairs, that’s where I stand, just way, way off to the side, as uninvolved as possible.
Now, I understand the objections some people have in the sense that this is all being presented by people who are not pro-Trump, and this isn’t a courtroom setting where there’s a cross-examination of witnesses by the defense. But it’s a hearing, it’s not a trial, so that’s just the nature of it. This may come to a trial, in which case we’ll hear that kind of thing, and I’ll certainly be interested to hear that as well. I’m taking the appropriate grain of salt, I feel.
However, all of these testimonies we’re getting are under oath, under penalty of perjury, just the same. Obviously someone could still lie under oath, but it seems highly unlikely that ALL of these people, the vast majority being employees of his administration or at least Conservative Republicans. It’s not like they’re wheeling out liberals with agendas, some of these people are even saying that they’d still vote for Trump if he runs again, which is fucking bananas, but that’s another topic for another time, lmao. I just find it too unlikely that it’s Donald Trump (who is a fucking cartoon character of a shady businessman, holy fuck, lmfao, it’s not like he gives a trustworthy vibe), Rudy Giuliani, and a small handful of people who are refusing to testify or are pleading the 5th who are the ones telling the truth in all this. Now I’ve heard the guys from his own White House legal team testify that they were asking the exact same question a lot of us were asking: “ok, you have all these fraud allegations, where is the EVIDENCE?”, and then they’re claiming judges were corrupt, and these guys asked the same shit any rational person would respond with, “ALL OF THEM? All 60-some judges in 60-some cases, even the judges appointed by this administration, they ALL dismissed your cases on the grounds of no merit because they’re corrupt?” I mean, at some point…. this is getting a little silly, lmfao.
And one of the guys they wheeled out yesterday, a guy who was there on the 6th, I watched him, and I’m just like “this is one of these fly-over state yokels, dumb as a box of hammers, and he just got swept up in this Trump mania.” He seemed like an otherwise good man, just gets up and goes to work everyday, loves his family, I mean, who can’t respect that? Maybe he’s got some fucked up views I’m not seeing, but there’s at least a rough diamond of a decent man in there. And I see all these Trump rallies and they interview people, and it’s usually dudes just like him. I bet if we went bass fishing we’d get along famously, but in today’s climate, I feel like politics would rock that boat. Everyone is just going way too hard, man, we need to take like 50% of ‘er, haha.
Anyway, I felt bad because that dude got prosecuted, lost his job, had to sell his house, and his story just made me imagine him to be pretty non-hostile as far as his own involvement, maybe there’s more I don’t know, but he seemed like he was just following the crowd.
So I think these hearings are very important, because people need to know the shit that happened, and court proceedings are boring, should the DoJ send down any charges, so this is more entertaining, minus if they get testimonies from the ones dodging them. I don’t need Trump or anyone to go to jail, I hate the concept of incarceration, period. I just want the people of America to get shaken by the collective shoulders and get snapped out of the fucking Trump Zombie shit. Keep voting Republican, I don’t care, but when we start following a dude like Trump (who I’m learning is even more of a clown than I thought) with this kind of fervor, that’s just a little too wild for me.
But the trials, if there are any, will just be a repeat of these testimonies. They’ll still be under oath. I guess I’d watch cross-examinations for the entertainment of it, but this all seems very open-and-shut to me. Cross-examinations will just be attempts to discredit witnesses as having vendettas. I mean, it’s just getting hard to take seriously because the side that claims to be “the silent majority” is apparently powerless and oppressed in the court system, and the whole “fake news” excuse is just getting so lame and tired. It can’t just be “the media is out to get us” every time, come on, guys, let’s get serious😂 I understand there’s bias that needs to be weeded through and accounted for, but when multiple people are testifying the same stuff under oath, “fake news” gets REAL flimsy, and the more times you say it, the less legitimate it seems.
If I were a Trump supporter, I would jumping ship by now. This dude is in some serious shit, and either way, it’s just a tough look. Fucking with MyPillow Guy and the Overstock. com CEO….. what a fucking circus, what in the actual fuck is happening here?😂😂😂 It’s SO HARD to admit that you got conned, I get it. “It’s easier to fool a man than it is to convince him that he’s been fooled.” And you liked what he was trying to do, so maybe you didn’t even care if you were getting conned, I don’t know. But at some point, you don’t want to be the last guy holding the cup of Kool-Aid. DeSantis sucks in his own right, but go ride with him, he’s at least slightly less crazy, I think. But I think some people are too proud to admit it, and too happy that he brazenly carried the agenda they wanted to ever come around, and it’s easier to live out their lives saying he was misunderstood and got unfairly persecuted, and view him as a political prisoner if he were ever jailed. People can’t get past their own psychology most of the time, it’s unfortunate, but that the reality.
The party I chose is Republican, but that says less than people assume. American political parties are not ideological parties as you tend to see in Europe. Rather they are lose knit coalitions of regional, religious, ethnic, racial, income and other groups that have come together in part by common interests and in part by historical accident.
In the case of the GOP, it is a coalition made up of classical liberals - which Americans call conservatives - libertarians, small and medium sized business, religious and social traditionalists, lower middle and upper middle income earners, farmers, rural and exurban populations, and historically older voters. It tends to dominate the South, the Great Plains, the Rocky Mountain West and the state of Alaska - though this is starting to change somewhat.
On the Democratic side you get, ethnic and religious minorities, middle and high income wage earners, big business and entertainment industries, urban and inner suburban votes, radical liberals - which Americans call liberals. (Note, the term "radical" here does not mean as Americans use it, i. e. "extremist," but rather as the ancient Greeks used the term, meaning "to the root of.") The regions where it is dominant are northeast, the mid-Atlantic, the Pacific coast and the state of Hawaii. (Though again, this is starting to change and is one of the reasons that Mrs. Clinton was defeated in 2016.)
This is how you get a Republican Party that runs from Ted Cruz at one end to Susan Collins at the other, with the libertarian Rand Paul thrown into the mix. This is how you get a Democratic Party that runs from Joe Manchin at one end to Elizabeth Warren at the other. Quite simply, party identification is not about ideological identity.
This being even more complicated by the fact that both parties are experiencing a populist phase as happened in the late 19th century and again in the 1960s and 70s. Populism not being a schematic philosophy, but rather a cultural attitude characterized by distrust of complexity, a disdain for elites, and a belief that the common man is the font of all virtue but that he is oppressed by the elites and the "special interests." This manifesting itself in a mishmash of policies that are more often related by sentiment than any coherent overarching theoretical structure.
Thus President Trump in the GOP. He is NOT a conservative. Thus the Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez in the Democratic party. She is not a liberal nor a socialist. Rather both appeal to feelings of envy and resentment in the electorate and toss out random policies to appease those sentiments.
For my part, I am conservative, but I put an asterisk over it. My conservatism is not what Americans typically call conservative. Because, as noted, what Americans call conservative is, historically speaking, not conservatism at all but is, rather, classical liberalism. Albeit with a streak of social traditionalism rooted in the Protestant Reformation.
My conservatism, which is classical or Tory conservatism, traces its intellectual pedigree through Aristotle, St. Thomas Aquinas, the 18th century British statesman and political philosopher, Edmund Burke, and also the British Prime Ministers Benjamin Disraeli and Lord Salisbury.
Classical conservatives emphasize the nurturing of civic virtue, see free markets as a tool as opposed to the end purpose of government, and believe that politics should take its bearings not from human reason, but human nature. As Burke said, "The effect of liberty to individuals is that they may do what they please. We ought see what it will please them to do before we risk congratulations."
Sorry. the construction of the question was a little awkward. "If you've been the hearings, what political party do you identify with?" sounded to me as if you were asking what party a person identified with.
So, only those who have been watching the hearings - I am actually a current political consultant and former Congressional staffer - were expected to answer. I have been watching them and so I answered, explaining what party I identify with and why.
Is that not what you were asking? To be sure I could have responded "Yes, GOP." However, that would have given you no sense of your audience beyond the most superficial level.
@Thot_Stomper I cannot forever in the life of me see how so many idiots cannot enjoy simple common fucking sense. It proves and vindicates College education should not be a bastion. It's a tricked world. Summary? There is much to it? Bull shit. Do you not know how be a regular Gordon Ramsay? When it is all said and done. We need not have stupid ass 'college dissertations.' Get your mind out of the fucking gutter.
I’m sorry you lost me at life of you, but made me giggle at your self proclaimed simple common sense, bored me with your college theory and lost me a second time In Hell’s Kitchen where somehow my mind was in its gutter. I’ve honestly lost track of how many dumb no stupid people I’ve had to reply to on the simple fact that they have and probably you have been been brainwashed by the epitome of the American dream in its dumbest form.
@iSlipKnot TL;DR isn't a thing for a reason. When idiots start blabbing, it's blah blah blah, wrah wrah wrah. They start spewing forth word salad that would make Kamala Heels Up Harris blush.
Not American, so not voting, but I'm watching them.
I was watching the coverage from my country live on Jan 6th and saw as much of it as my country's reporters could safely capture.
Being located close to America, it's kinda important to know what's happening down there. Large developments will impact my country, and knowing what's happening is important to me from a civil duty perspective.
Plus I'm honestly just interested to see if America will actually hold any of its politicians - nevermind a wannabe fascist, rapist, pedophile, fraudulent, theiving dictator - accountable.
And it's nice to get the fuller picture, since many details have been kept under wraps until now.
It's chilling to see just how much Trump tried to organize this. I knew it was bad, and it was obvious it was an attempted coup on the 6th itself, but it's very validating to see all the facts laid out.
It's also entertaining (and kinda sad) to see how much Republicans and Trumptards on this site try to hide from the facts. They're very out of touch with the reality their country faces, and I hope they're able to recover before it's too late.
Aaahahahaha I asked almost the same exact question!!! Like "what are we talking about " ? Lmao... let me explain (cuz I found out with a little research);
Remember few years ago in January when a few peaceful protesters broke a window in Washington DC and threw Nancy's papers on the floor and stuff? - the mostly peaceful protest...
Well "the hearings" (season 1 episode 1) has just aired- apparently- and its basically a talkshow where they get a lot of people to tell a lot of hearsay...
Yes basically yes. A show of people saying that they heard some people say some things... hearsay that wouldn't be allowed in a court of course. But this is a tv show...
@BlacklightShade I'm not watching it if that's what you mean. I have about 1000000 better things to do. It's just a circus show. It all is. They want to keep people afraid of bad orange man. They'll jammer about January 6 until the next election
@BlacklightShade no I don't know what's happening in "the hearings" because I don't waste my time watching it. It's an endless story about bad trump bad trump and it's just too stupid but democrats are eating it up I'm sure
You'd see that @Bratsondanielle is lying about it, for a start. And that Trump planned Jan 6th, and that it was just the final attempt of many to steal the presidency from the people.
Muuuaaaaaaaaaahahahahaha that's funny. No it's the absolute truth. Trump planned? Lol give me a fucking brake!!! I realize that Donald Trump has a lot of qualities and sometimes almost godlike. He made an entire country Ultra prosperous Ultra safe stopped immigration made us energy independent and made the rest of the world safe as well even Russia and North Korea were chilling. But even so he can't make a thousand adults independent individuals go to a certain building and walk inside and sit in a chair they weren't supposed to and stuff like that. The Democrats that's trying to make it seem like a huge deal and them mouthpieces in the media are helping. That is why we are seeing and endless number of shows and so-called "documentaries" like the one where that psycho cop with a crazy look in his eyes and tattoos everywhere was explaining how horrible it all was lol. But that was a few months ago. Now we have "the hearings" (season 1)
@Kenyazummo "WILLIAM BARR: My recollection is the President said something like, well, we could get to the bottom — you know, some people say we could get to the bottom of this if — if the department sees the machines. It was a typical way of raising a point. And I said, absolutely not. There's no probable cause and I'm not going to seize any machines."
And to you it'd guess it's not the least bit odd that they refuse to inspect the machines? You know just as well as I do that they can be tampered with. Dozens of hackers have made videos where I two minutes they break down a voting machine. Especially the 25 years old ones. Lots of the machines have so-called "back doors" which means they can be accessed remotely. If you say this is all just conspiracy then pardon my French but then you, sir, with all respect, are an idiot
Bravo 👏 👏 👏 👏 👏 yes OF COURSE they can be tampered with... they are COMPUTERS!!! WHICH is a whole nother can of worms but computers and elections don't match... and speaking of which does it seem strange to anyone else that old senile studder Joe segregation got the most votes ever more than any other president?
@Kenyazummo No, I think it would be strange for the federal government to trample on the states' right to hold and certify elections without probable cause. Just like Trump's AG. Which party controlled the states that swung to Biden? Why have none of the senators who won their races on the exact same machines complained?
Which machines are 25 years old? I remember the 2000 election (which was genuinely close, 500 votes in 1 state). The machines weren't digital. Touch screens weren't even a thing back then. There's no way they're still being used.
@Bratsondanielle "does it seem strange to anyone else that old senile studder Joe segregation got the most votes ever more than any other president? " No, because the majority of people in the country could see that Trump was a clear and present danger to the nation. Biden sucks, but Trump and the Republicans would have created a dictatorship. Permanent minority rule.
@bratsondanielle yeah that why he had them recount them by hand and he he still lost even more so. It doesn’t matter you believe what you believe regardless of facts there’s no changing your mind even when you’ve proven wrong
All you Libtards are still in denial? 94% of Liberals under the age of 30 do not want the Potato running again. 81 legitimate dumbasses put him in charge. That is not a typo. 81 people voted for the Potato. But you rant and rave about a scenario where you believe Orangeman Rad tried to over throw the Government?
@bayoubob Trump was making the same bogus claims in 2016, and not a single Republican who won their seat on the same ballot as Trump is claiming their win was fraudulent. Funny that. You have to have evidence or wrong-doing. There is none.
I just hope all information surrounding Jan. 6th comes to light because we can never go through something like that again. It's a national embarrassment. We literally had rebels trying to overthrow a democratically elected government and we had a president who delayed notifying the proper channels to deal with the threat due to his own ego. This is the kind of shit we see in 3rd world countries where leaders use underhanded tactics to extend their rule and for the first time we saw it in America. Thankfully, it didn't succeed and democracy can live another day in America.
I'm neither a democrat nor a republican. I think for the most part they're two sides of the same coin. Both want big government when it suits their ideologies and both are beholden to their corporate donors. Unless you can bankroll their campaigns, they neither know you nor give a shit about you as an individual. Don't be so eager to defend those who wouldn't do it for you. The way people try to defend political leaders is so laughable in my opinion. They're not your kin or your comrades. They're strangers to you and I doubt they would rush to defend you if you were experiencing any kind of difficulty.
All this behavior is so bizarre to me. It's like humans need someone to follow and a group to be a part of.
@Bratsondanielle No president should ever encourage his supporters to interfere in an election. They should never try to influence the election by phoning election officials and pressuring them to not do their jobs honestly. They should never be complicit in a plan to use forged official documents to nullify the will of the people.
The funny part is that the Democrat voting machines actually right this second are being overhauled because the Democrats said they need it... you can do it up that's a clip by that immigrant chick Kamala Harris or whatever
Neither, which I imagine I'm not the only one who doesn't like either party. I'm not sure how or why there needs to be parties in the first place. Elected people aren't supposed to in a party so they can be told how to vote. They're supposed to do what they feel is in the best interest of the people they represent. But they don't. Republicans and Democrat's are both guilty. Neither party has nominated anyone worth voting for in my entire life. So why do we allow this stupidity to continue? Because we have no control, no say in the matter, your vote means nothing. The sooner that we correct that the sooner we might get someone who isn't either too corrupt, or too weak to make something happen that might actually be good for the country. Or dare I suggest the world.
I don't technically identify with either party, but I do lean more towards the Democrat side of the spectrum.
That said, I'm also not watching the hearings, either. I read what was said, later, and get the highlights, though.
I feel like the whole thing is pointless, anyway. Most people have already formed their opinions, well ahead of time. Those that agree with the content of the hearings already did so, and it's just confirming what they previously thought. Those that disagree already did so, as well, and it's unlikely the hearings will change their mind.
The hearings aren't a trial, and there will be no charges, or convictions, as a direct result. So between that, and the vast majority of people having already formed their opinions well in advance, I don't really see anything changing, as a result. 🤷♂️
Its been fun watching the establishment democrats and Republicans squirm. because trump managed to get all the people both parties have fucked over for decades to start taking back thier government. They've leveled lie after lie at trump, from very fine people to Russia gate. Jan 6th is just another lie getting peddled. It wasn't an insurrection it was a mostly peaceful protest to use the CNN vernacular. Because if it was an insurrection believe me none of the people conducting this hearing would have survived it.
I love you. And yes. Inciting rioters by saying " I know, that everyone here will soon be marching over to the Capitol building, to PEACEFULLY AND PATRIOTICALLY make your voices heard "
Ohhh I have, they have nothing but hear say and its funny watching them try and build a case. Especially since these are mostly the same people who looked the other way when BLM caused 2 billion in damages and killed 37 people
Yes, I've watched all of them although I had to miss the second half of yesterday's. I will watch it tonight or tomorrow.
The GOP had the opportunity to put unbiased members on the special subcommittee, but they didn't bother. So, only 2 GOP members on the committee - 2 GOP members who aren't Trump sychophants.
But, those who have testified?
They are almost all Republicans.
And it's not looking good for Trump, Guliani, and a few others.
I haven't been watching. I have no interest in that dog and pony show. I'm not a Republican or conservative, but I've come to despise what the Democratic party has become. I want many of THEM put on trial.
I’m an independent, and I think that 1/3 of the voting population in the US would identify as either independent or other party than the top 2. So I view this the way I view other two party interactions in the country. They are without the true scope of the nation and are focused on specific agendas. Now I do believe these hearings are vital and I do not take lightly the destruction of property and intent of what took place on Jan 6, but I would love to see a more diverse political representation in this and all vital events in our government. Because so many people are left out of decisions because of the two party system.
Everything presented until now has been hearsay. If you’re invested in this, where were you when ACTUAL digital evidence was provided that SHOULD have landed Clinton in prison? You’ve chosen a side, despite evidence. Why would any quantity or quality of evidence persuade you now? Ell oh ell!
I just want to know when the mayor of Seattle and Governor of the state of Washington are going to get their kangaroo court hearings for allowing the real insurrection (CHAZ) to go on for over a month all while refusing federal aid to crush that little rebellion.
You first. I answered your question in my first sentence.
I then went on to point out the hypocrisy of this little witch hunt. I don’t see Democrats in an outraged about CHAZ and the elected Democrats who not only allowed but endorsed that insurrection.
Of course you’ll say that’s a whataboutism because you want to control the narrative.
That this whole thing is a witch hunt and the real insurrection has barely been called to the publics attention. It was intentionally not reported much in the news by left wing media.
However every time I mention CHAZ I’m told by some wanna be commie that it’s a Whataboutism.
I only chose red because I want what's best for the economy. With fule being sold to fill others' pockets, I'd rather not piss off farmers, ranchers, truckers, and railroad folk. They literally feed America without them cities would starve.
This answer is literally the definition of irony. Wanting the best for the economy while voting for the party that historically has dunked the economy, lost jobs and only filled their own pockets and pockets of the rich.
Latinos do the jobs and do them well i I might add that most Americans won’t do. It’s not a coincidence that 95% of dishwashers are Latino and if you think he stole that job from an American which many would say then please stop talking or go wash some dishes.
@goaded $6/hr is what one could expect here. Send that money back home, it goes ten times as far because of exchange rate. They’re isn’t as much to buy down there. “Living like kings” is phrase I heard about their home lives. I saw reluctantly shared pictures of some of their homes, they’re much nicer than a dishwasher’s home here. They’re usually nice people, at least on the clock, but I think some of them feel ashamed and feel bad and confused when they see some Americans do actually have good work ethics and they’re getting screwed anyways making the same amount with 1/10 the purchasing power. I got to witness first hand hard work doesn’t pay off. I’m ashamed of this country sometimes.
@love_conquers_lust Just to be clear, you're saying that while they're also sending money back home, they can still afford to live in America off a wage that an American is unlikely to work for. Or have I missed something?
@goaded $6/hr is really low end, but yeah they cover living expenses here and send discretionary income back home. That’s why they economize and pack themselves into residences and make a lot of their own food. As far as the food, it’s cheaper, healthier, and it probably reminds them of home, culture preservation. The age distribution matters as well. The younger guys tend to blow more of their money on American stuff while the older, wiser ones are better at saving. The younger ones full of piss and vinegar tend to go to strip clubs, drink more, or even break the law hiring prostitutes “American girls”, they’re away from family for months at a times. You might see why this feeds into the “American girls are whores” stereotype when they have the money to make themselves as sexually appealing as possible, whether they’re prostitutes or not. It’s also not like these guys get privacy to have phone sex with their wives when so many are packed into a residence.
Sometimes, or rather a lot of the time. they push occupancy limits. These homes/rentals see accelerated wear and tear. It’s especially a pain when it’s +5 people sharing one bathroom in a dwelling. The landlords only budget so much under the assumption of so many residents per room and subletting clauses or whatever. The budget for upkeep can’t keep up when these are violated. Sometimes, employers will actually be the ones who lease a company owned residence to them to more money out of them, and will do a terrible job of maintaining the residence, because of the occupancy issue, and probably because some of them hate that they have to hire these guys to stay solvent.
@goaded That exchange rate is the only reason they put up with this. It’s not all peaches and cream. While the exchange rate is good, there is less to spend it on. But as far as these people are concerned, that’s their baseline and they don’t experience anywhere near the amount of envy developed countries do, they’re simply less educated about what’s available to consume. That’s why so many immigrants can’t understand why some Americans are so unhappy. We keep upping the ante on what’s considered socially acceptable, and these guys inadvertently make it harder. The owners are running the same rat race we all are to make more money.
But this won’t last. As that money gets spent in other countries, it pumps money into their economy while disempowering the financing country. This is why so many hate Globalization. Some of the owners hate it too because they know what it does and forces them to engage in it. They go out of business if they don’t.
It’s not a pleasant situation and these guys are like pioneers trying to make a life for themselves back home. Some stay and become citizens. This gravy train won’t last forever. They’ll catch up faster than the financing country will pull away. The exchange rate purchasing power will equalize. At that point, the pipeline will dry up because there won’t be incentive to cross the border for work and goods they could then find in their locale. In that time, blue collar Americans have to grapple with poverty to do the same work. They depress wages and when they do spend, it can enable poverty inducing occupations like prostitution. Hopefully now you better understand the Trumpsters instead of being made to swallow only the Xenophobic “oh woe is them” tripe from their political proponents. Their argument is developed country poverty is far better than undeveloped country poverty, so they’re justified in making more poverty at home to raise others up. So when I said hard work doesn’t pay off, what I specifically mean is it doesn’t pay off the same for every worker as we have different expectations.
@love_conquers_lust I only skimmed all that, but "... when they have the money to make themselves as sexually appealing as possible" makes me wonder. On $6 an hour, you either don't have the money or you don't have time. Do you have anything that backs up your story?
@goaded I worked landscaping with H2B Hispanics, first generation Hispanics, and American Blacks and Whites. It’s anecdotal. Pays not that much better than dishwashing, but the same principle applies, in my opinion. $13/hr was typical for laborers.
If you want hard numbers, median income for a dishwasher today makes about the same at $13/hr. $6/hr isn’t accurate when Federal minimum wage is $7.25. I threw the number out there. That’s a two decade old rate. Illegals might genuinely be getting paid that under the table, but I haven’t been involved with anything like that.
I was also ambiguous. “They” referred to American women, whether they were whores or not. Their attire is more revealing. It leads them to be objectified. Mexican women, as I understand it, dress more conservatively.
You don’t have to believe me, I didn’t fully understand it either until I found myself immersed in it. Didn’t really care to believe it when economists tell you globalization benefits everyone. And while it does, there’s still local trends that defy the net global one that affluent politicians don’t like to talk about.
For Mexico, I overstated the PPP and omitted the exchange rate. Google has 1 USD going for 20 Pesos and at 10 PPP in that link, yes, it will go twice as far with the ratio of those quantities at about 2. I was exaggerating and mistaken.
I would be remiss if I didn’t recognize the tradeoff of of buying things in Mexico in that you can’t buy everything you can here in the US like uninterrupted drinking water and lack of basic social amenities. They has have other problems like more petty crime.
My point was, Latino workers aren’t default better workers because they’re Latino. Head hunters do a lot of screening for H2Bs down there. Mexico also has their own classism down there looking down on muchachas/muchachos.
Most of the people talking , almost all the witnesses and people who have come forward are republicans.
McConnell told top advisers, “The Democrats are going to take care of the son of a b---- for us,” after it became clear that Democrats were going to impeach Trump in the House, adding, “if this isn’t impeachable, I don’t know what is.”
@DryGermanGuy McConnell is the one who made him possible, to get SCOTUS seats to overturn most of the 20th century, which he could never have managed by winning elections.
@goaded Oh, I have no doubt most of them are dishonorable scumbags ready to put knives into each other’s backs, I just hope a party like the GOP is bigger than all of them together…
Your user name has the name Thot in it and your a democrat Go Figures The feminist who hates men and who wants our guns taken away sides with the Game demos called the democrats. Democrats are just a Long Demo They will eventually be no more. And the demo will end we will finally beat this little demo like we’ve beat every other game demo on our consoles.
Didn’t vote, I only watched a few minutes of it a week or so ago and couldn’t last 5 minutes. This isn’t a serious investigation. The corrupt uniparty’s cathedral was threatened and now they need to try a show of force in a desperate bid to protect their power from the commoners.
What hearings are we talking about? I don''t have a t. v. so, I couldn't watch them even if I wanted to. However, Republican seems to be the way the intelligent people go. The Dems are nothing but a bunch of psychotic loonies!!
dont worry. people that have a TV aren't watching it. its ratings are so bad it would have been canceled after the first episode if oir tax dollars werent paying for it. barely 1% of the viewimg public.
I'm an Independent, don't affiliate myself with either party; neither party fully satisfies me. I have some liberal tendencies and some conservative tendencies, overall I'm pretty much in the middle.
As far as the hearing goes, why is Congress even having one? There are so many more important things... like doing their job to help the economy and inflation, deal with COVID, Putin's invasion of Ukraine, sensible gun control, privacy rights, and so many more. Why can't we just put the 2020 election behind us? ... the system worked, despite it being challenged.
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This does not qualify as a legal proceeding. It is just a Hail Mary play to keep President Trump from running for president. It appears to be backfiring.
I asked above to get an elaboration on which hearings? I'm guessing we're talking about the cirkus sideshow thing about January 5th or 4th or whatever (the broken window at the capitol)
@Bratsondanielle Yes, some Washington insider gets to bill the American taxpayers 3 million dollars to fix a couple of broken windows. I wonder if Nancy gets a kickback?
Lol yeah if we're lucky she will start to drink even more than she already does and then that will kill her off. But yeah I realized after reading some of the comments that we were probably talking about the circus show of the peaceful protest of January a couple of years ago where President Trump said that he thought some people might walk peacefully to the capitol... I had asked already what were we talking about cuz obviously "the hearings" didn't ring a bell with me. (I am aware that there is a talkshow about January on CNN ofc)
Lots of people who have never watched a hearing or only follow right-wing media say it's fake. Before 2016 I wondered what could energize those 1930's Nuremberg crowds. Now we are living with mass-hypnosis and undying fanaticism.
I'm a moderate independent. I watched enough to realize it was more like an inquisition. I think it's the DOJ that will decide how to proceed with any legal action.
An independent, neither a Republican nor a Democrat, not a captive of either party. A Moderate takes a position between the left and right sides of the political spectrum and tend to see both sides of complex issues.
@Whatever2929292 well almost no one does. It's very very few people usually Democrats. That was a clip on YouTube where this guy was going around asking people what happened on January 6th and like nine out of 10 had no clue what happened... because nothing happened !!! That was a relatively peaceful protest especially if you mesure it by blm standards
@Bratsondanielle Then you're an ignoramus and or a troll. I have a tough time believing people that pretend nothing happened are just stupid or just trying to troll. Your ridiculously stupid comments are embarrassing.
@Friendlybro79 oh my goodness 😳 I'm sorry son I didn't mean to get you all riled up. I didn't say nothing happened. There was a peaceful protest in Washington a long long long time ago. By blm standards you might say VERY peaceful protest since the didn't burn down the entire city. A window was smashed and people entered the building they pay for over their taxes. There was some commotion during which President Trump sent out on all social media (got taken down immediately of course) that people should go home.
Neither. I don't believe in an oligarchy or a state. Every single problem has been caused by the state, and I for one, don't have the patience to listen to this circus of a "hearing". Meanwhile Ghislaine gets 20 years and no one says a word about the children who were abused. Justice was never served and people's eyes get diverted from the real problems.
Republicans have not been watching the hearings at all. They refuse to accept the truth. Invanka and many other Donald supporters have admitted there was no election fraud and that Donald clearly lost.
Yeah but he'll his second in 2024-2028 ... now people have experienced $7/gal (a 350% increase) people have seem their communities flooded with people saying "hablo spaniōl" while their kids 5 & 6 &8 &9 &12& 15 years old plus a baby wait to see if the other person replies "sī" so communicating is possible.
People have seen Russia with a weak senile president, people have heard north Korea ramping up nuclear research again...
People have seen what a weak president mean
We still have 1000+ hostages in Afghanistan where we left half of our choppers tanks and guns when Joe screwed that up beyond anything...
2024 will be a red wave that will be heard around the world
350? Lol. Will it be like the red wave of blood that your government greenlighted for the slaughter of Caucasian farmers? Die Antwoord was the last good thing to come out of your country
I'm neither, just pick the lesser of 2 evils. Things like this are just a dog and pony show. My thought is that the Dems are scared shitless about Trump winning. Given the chance they, either party can dig up dirt on anyone.
If you have watched all the hearings and still think Democrats (including the insufferable Liz Cheney) have a case and that they totally aren't political hacks, you have a few screws loose.
Lol I haven't even watched but I'm sure. Isn't even a legal preceding I think. They are allowing hearsay!! " someone heard someone say that his friend was in the limo when trump tried to attack his security " 😳😄😄😆😆😆😄😆😆😆 !!! Aaaaaaahahahahahaaaa
Get a grip on reality! Trump brought this upon himself. And the democrats did beat him fair and square. That’s how elections are done in the United States.
Oh, son, you don't ever want to say this publicly: "I like people like Rep Greene and Hawley".
Why?
Because the people who will be important in your life - like a spouse or employer - will disrespect you and this will put a glass ceiling on your future.
And those people who agree with you will never be important in making your life better.
@abc3643, I’ve watched several multi-hour long interviews with MTG and she’s fantastic. Stop getting your news from propaganda sources and sound bytes.
@DarkWinterNights I think YOU need to take your own advice. I live in Missouri. We KNOW Josh Hawley is an asshole. Even his biggest backers stopped backing him.
So for me I think we had a president that incited a riot or acted very responsible if not out right negligent to stop it. But lets be honest the congressional hearings are a media circus, there is no point to it. If Trump broke the law then had it over to the DOJ and let them prosecute him or run the investigation.
I think Republicans are being irrational or irresponsible, but I think the Democrats are being just as irrational and irresponsible. What's the point of it all? Do you really think it will end with Trump in jail? Its just a media circus, I would rather Democrats put forth that level of energy and effort into improving the lives of real Americans and come up and passing legislation that actually makes a different in the peoples day to day lives.
Look at all the drama over the Russian Investigation... all for what? Trump skated clean, and all the people that were charged could of been charges through the DOJ without congressional hearings... its a smoke and mirrors.
I don't think any of them are handling right, or to any real benefit. They are just trying to further their political agendas.
Do you support having a democracy? Free and fair elections? Then there's only one choice, isn't there. Democrats are crap, but they're not trying to take away your right to have your vote count.
Yes, but at least you'll still have a chance to choose again in a couple of years. Would you like to be thrown with weights on your feet into a 4ft deep pool of water or an 8ft deep one?
Not much. it is a joke. A circus. Just hearing form people that hate Trump. Won't allow the people that really know things to testify. would not let Republicans on committee. They are taking Testimony from people that are clearly lying
Do you not see what is in front of your face? You have the most totally awesome most Presidential President of all times. 81 Qaudrillion strong, for an asshat boob that couldn't have got 69 million if his old decrepit hairsniffing daughter diddling balls depended on it. Obama 2.0 Doing such a fantastic job. His approval rating is so high, and he was named Times Man Of The Year. Do you listen to yourself ever?
Donald trump had the lowest approval rating of all time. As in like ever. It was short lived but it happened. And Hitler was also named times man of the year so why you reach for such a dirty trophy to validate your cult leader shows us that your the one not able to see what’s right in front of you
@Thot_Stomper Donald had and always has the media against him. He just has pride that he has beautiful daughters. What Biden did is beyond hair sniffing, he had inappropriate showers with his daughter. Donald's kids? Like I've said before, worldly, attractive, educated. They aren't reaching out for drugs, snorting cocaine, enjoying the meth with hookers or their Daddy. You bitch about locker room talk, "grab 'em by the pussy." When in a world where the Donald can and does go for gold diggers, what is worse? This argument you have is so left bent and retarded.
Donald had the left bent media telling the world he had the worst approval rating. That is the fake world we live in. The Clown Show. You even admitted that the Donald rebounded. You can't keep up this non sense of "Well, Biden just needs time..." to rebound? He cannot and will not rebound. After all is said and done, the potato head and kamala will not ever run again. However, the 2024 Trump Train is still rolling, despite EVERYTHING.
Locker room talk? Your literally reciting every excuse that man has publicly given? Do you have your own brain or do you just let others think for you. And Don junior is coked out spoiled frat boy who just killed an endangered goat on one of his many disgraceful trophy hunts. And showers with his kids? Wtf. I mean whatever bro. Your just so gone I don’t even know. Sorry I can’t join you in your rabbit hole.
@Thot_Stomper Grabbing them by the pussy? It's Gold Digger 101. Biden fingers his daughters CLIT. In the shower. The Donald does normal things. Hollywood 101 will you tell you this too. The ELITE older women in Hollywood bitch because they cannot also be Gold Diggers. They cannot and will not go after YOUNGER GUYS and not be bitched about? This is the Libtarded way. They want the YOUNGER GUYS. Hypocrites much?
@Thot_Stomper Hollywood women bitch and bitch because they are seen as GOING AFTER younger guys as EVIL. Quid pro quo. They want to have their anti Trump stance, and fuck young gentleman and marry them. This is LIbtardism 101. They want to have their YOUNG FUCK TOYS.
You all want to have the EQUAL. When you bitch about how guys divorce and go after the young women. You see it as, well, we CAN AS WOMEN do the same. It's equal opportunity. You do it, and you do it often. You want this FUCKERY equal. However, it's totally OKAY, when WOMEN do the opposite. Men are now the BITCH. WOMEN don't like that fact that they can't be the GOLD DIGGERS. However, it's Trump that is evil.
@Thot_Stomper The difference between old scallywag Hollywood female celebs and Donald, is that the broads never got recorded as saying they grab young men by the dong. In LEFTY minds, it does not matter, they want their YOUNG COCK and they want it now!!! NO ONE BASH the LEFTIST WOMEN ELITE. THEY CAN DO IT TOO!!! In lefty minds they bitch, because they can't do the same. Then they do it!!! Who's representing the locker talk from the LEFT? Nobody. You do not need to. It's the LEFTY way. Everything, 100 PERCENT is okay. Long as if it fits your narrative.
I know it is only one sided by the questions asked. Can’t stand to watch it for long. The Democrats need to question some of their own actions on Jan 6 th.
@goaded. Ray Ebbs is on video in-sighting violence on the capital, but he is walking free! Why? For what reason did Nancy Polosi turn down the National guard when she was offered them? Especially when they are saying that the insurrection was planned days in advance with the knowledge of the FBI. Just a few questions I would like to have answered. They seem to be only questioning the people that will give the answers they want to hear.
The Democrats should be asked why the Democrat mayor of Seattle and the governor of the state of Washington not only endorsed the CHAZ secession from America but also why they refused federal help to crush it. .
@Exterminatore Probably because it would likely have resulted in deaths. The left care more about the lives of living, breathing, people than they do about property damage.
@Surely No, he's on video insighting a peaceful protest, trying to de-escalate a confrontation between rioters and the police, and never seen inside the Capitol. You lot go on about how it was just "trespass" (a lie), why do you want someone who didn't even trespass to be prosecuted?
The issue is not one of property damage. The issue is one of a literally succession and safety. People are not allowed to throw a temper tantrum and then occupy roughly 7 square blocks and declare them sovereign from the US. That in and of itself is serious. Crime rose 525% in Seattle because of CHAZ or CHOP or whatever name they finally chose. There were at least 6 robberies (robbery is theft with the use of force or threatened use of force), 2 murders, 16 aggravated assaults and 2 additional shootings that did not result in death. That’s only the violent crimes.
You cannot let mass amounts of people burn, rape, loot, beat, murder, vandalize, and Rob at will. Not only is it a major safety hazard but we must have an orderly society with law, not anarchy.
Anyone participating in such vile behaviors, especially in mass over a large area should be swiftly suppressed for the physical safety of everyone else if for no other reason.
@Exterminatore My question right now is? Why does someone from Germany worry so much about our politics when they should be worrying about what will Putin do after Ukraine? At least be paying their fair share to defend their neighbor!
Bottom line. IF what happened on Jan 6th is correctly called an insurrection and IF there is intellectual honesty then we must also call what happened in Seattle an insurrection, and then we must prosecute the guilty parties accordingly and likewise the politicians.
Since it was a legit insurrection there was one appropriate way to handle it. With lethal force. However that didn’t happen because word games were played. “Ceding territory under the sovereign control of the U. S. is NOT an insurrection, its a peaceful protest.”
Correct sir. Putin is not important. Inflation is not important. The daily insanity in this country is not important. It’s Jan 6th and the “assault on our democracy” that’s important. It’s this kangaroo court that should be center stage.
@Exterminatore Eight years to keep one person from coming back with a vengeance and pulling the plug on the swamp! What could have been accomplished in that amount of time if they really cared about the United States!
@Surely Because it's happened before. In Germany and Italy nearly a hundred years ago. It did not end well. Nobody wanted Germany to re-arm for the last 70 years, especially not the Germans.
@Exterminatore You didn't address your joke of an assertion that crime in Seattle went up five-fold over the whole year because of three weeks of the CHAZ/CHOP/whatever.
Regardless, how did you come to the conclusion that "there was one appropriate way to handle it. With lethal force."? Are you saying lethal force should have been used against the Jan 6 rioters? How much more, considering they were attempting to take over the entire country for eternity, not just a couple of city blocks for a couple of weeks?
All it would have taken to stop it was a tweet from Trump. He didn't want it to stop, it was part of his plan to steal the presidency.
Once again. Intellectual honesty requires you to admit and call for charges and subsequent prosecution for CHAZ as much as for Jan 6th if you want call Jan 6th an insurrection.
I don’t give a good fuck about the percentage of crime. When you declare a countries sovereign territory independent of the rule of that territory it’s an insurrection PERIOD. END OF FUCKING FILE.
YOU GODDAMN LEFTWING CUNTS ARE SO FUCKING STUPID IT HURTS.
Lethal force should have been used on both groups without restriction.
Trump is NOT responsible for the actions of others.
Again, this is CUNTY reasoning saying he’s responsible because he didn’t send a nice tweet that time warning people instead of a mean one.
Are you responsible for the behavior of others. How bout this. Let’s say your responsible for making me cuss your fucking stupid ass out. I’m not responsible for it. You are. Make sense? Nope. No one is responsible for anyone else’s behavior.
Sick and tired of you stupid motherfuckers with your shady logic and severe mental retardation.
@Exterminatore I expect you've blocked me, like most of the losers on here, but in case you haven't: "Trump is NOT responsible for the actions of others." Of course he is if he's president and tells them to do something!
I did not block you. You have done noting worthy of being blocked. I’m simply fed up with people who cannot compare like concepts regarding this issue.
@Exterminatore OK, then show me the statistic that says Seattle's crime rate went up five times in 2020. And explain why the president of the United States isn't responsible for people who do what he tells them.
I don’t believe he told them to do that. I think that clip of him at that rally was taken completely out of context. It is a clear example of cherry picking.
In fact I watched all of the roughly 1 hour speech he gave that day multiple times and failed to find convincing evidence he ordered anything at all.
If you cannot see this is a political witch-hunt you’re blind.
Immediately after he got elected major protests started. That failed to have him leave office, so they tried to impeach him…not once but twice. Those impeachments failed. This is simply the latest attempt to ensure he stays out of office. Why? He slaughtered the sacred cows of liberalism on the alter right in front of them and looked them in the eye and winked while he did it. He actually did start building that wall. He did do what benefited America, NOT everyone else as it should be. He did give China the finger and these liberal turds HATED everything he stood for. THAT is what this is all about and nothing more.
Make no mistake. He is a malignant narcissist and did act like a child often, but policy wise he was about as sound as could be and did an excellent overall job.
He is also undoubtedly a fascist. Which I know you hate. You hate the ideas or rules and strict punishment for breaking rules. You hate order and discipline. You hate traditionalism and you hate Christianity. All left winger do. They want everything to be a free for all. They think it’s just wonderful a man inverted his penis and is kicking the shit out of women in their own sport. They can’t imagine why it’s deplorable to have lower morals than animals. After all this is a post Christian world now.
Listen carefully and listen good. The average person has become full of contempt with this horseshit. The backlash is coming. If you hate fascism the best move is to tell all the liberal cocksuckers out there to be more moderate or you can ensure people will seek order as is natural in chaotic situations and fascism will thrive
Also a 525% increase in crime would indicate anything than a peaceful protest. That was the narrative these worthless cocksuckers were spinning the whole time.
Yet no one is asking why that wrinkled cunt Mayor Dirkin did NOTHING. Nothing when the crime was up 100%. Nothing at 200% She let this sorry shit go on for over a fucking month. Yet no one is asking why. She turned down federal aid to suppress this. She authorized and endorsed a real fucking insurrection and called it a peaceful protest and a “summer of love” and all you assholes swallowed up those lies like filthy prostitutes swallowing cum.
Very, very seldom do I hurl insults or cuss. I’m so goddam fed up with all you fucking retards who believe the stupid shit these left wing cunts tell you.
Now it’s Jan 6th that’s center stage to you. Not the Ukraine. Not inflation. Not the coming recession. Not any of that shit but this…. this goddamn farce and yet you assholes still believe this shit. Collectively you liberals are the stupidest motherfuckers I’ve ever seen:
Soon you’ll all be asking: “why can’t I fuck my pet goat and marry it?”
Sick of you stupid motherfuckers and your lack of discipline and lack of common sense and most importantly your lack of brain cells. You motherfuckers wouldn’t know truth if it kicked you in the balls. Meanwhile Trump is out of office over a year and you stupid fucking cunts still talk about him as if he were still the president. All because of mean tweets. What a bunch of pussies all of you are. Morally bankrupt pussies.
I have no interest in a constructive conversation. Unfortunately you sir are the straw that broke the camels back. Now the only interest I have is slandering all of you and demeaning all of you and treating all of you like the pieces of shit you are and deserve to be treated like.
@Exterminatore "That’s the NY post, which is pretty liberal" It's a right-wing Murdoch rag.
The 525% increase was just for June 2 to June 30 over the same period the previous year. So they're including the week before the CHAZ was established on the 8th, and not talking about the year as a whole, which wasn't that abnormal. You can check: www.seattle.gov/.../crime-dashboard
@Exterminatore Of course Trump told them to go to the Capitol. How is taking the part where he says we're going to march up to the Capitol "cherry picking"? Remember, none of them would have been there on the 6th if he hadn't invited them in the first place, back on December 19th, or had conceded when he lost the election.
It's your belief against actual evidence. You can curse all you like, but the truth is coming out and it's damning. Trump intended to steal the election and knowingly sent an armed angry mob to the Capitol to help him do so.
January 4th text message from a rally organizer to Mike Lindell: "The organizer says, you know, this stays between us. We're having a second stage at the Supreme Court again, after the Ellipse.
POTUS is going to have us march there/the Capitol...
It can also not get out about the march, because I will be in trouble with the National Park Service and all the agencies. But POTUS is going to just call for it, quote, unexpectedly."
Ali Alexander text message, Jan 5th: "Trump is supposed to order us to the Capitol at the end of his speech, but we will see."
President Trump said, and i quote: " I know, that everyone here will soon be marching over to the Capitol building, to PEACEFULLY AND PATRIOTICALLY make your voices heard "
Exactly that's exactly 💯 what he said. But you know the democrats do what they always do, they twist his words so much and then their mouthpieces in the media repeat it over and over until people believe it
How many times did he say variations on "fight" in that speech? How many lies about the election results certified by the states? Who did he have waiting to assault the Capitol with caches of guns and explosives nearby? When did he decide to send the mob to the Capitol?
@goaded he didn't send anything. He said " I know, that everyone here will soon be marching over to the Capitol building, to PEACEFULLY AND PATRIOTICALLY make your voices heard "
Yes, you keep saying that, but he knew they were armed. He knew they weren't out to get him, he felt perfectly safe with letting armed people into the Ellipse. He'd spent months lying to them about the election, and he told them that Pence was to blame.
It’s only 50-50 because you didn’t give the option of third party or independent. Also not mentioning that no one in American history has tried to overturn a election by force 219 years of peaceful transition no other country not to mention democracy can claim such a thing not to happen in its infancy. We are both one of the youngest countries and the oldest democracy. Our checks and balances not to mention elected officials did the right thing Hell even the Vice President under siege and under threat by the president conducted him self honorable. It’s a bump in the road. Compared to the wars for centuries in Europe. No need for doom and gloom
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