Republican or Democrat: Which one are you?

[Allie_Oops]

Just kind of curious of how politically diverse G@G really is.

Republican and proud

Democrat and awesome

I'm middle of the road

I'm probably more Libertarian than anything

I'm American but I don't associate with political parties

Not American/ Poll Results

[nightdrot]

The party I chose is Republican, but that says less than people assume. American political parties are not ideological parties as you tend to see in Europe. Rather they are lose knit coalitions of regional, religious, ethnic, racial, income and other groups that have come together in part by common interests and in part by historical accident.

In the case of the GOP, it is a coalition made up of classical liberals - which Americans call conservatives, libertarians, small and medium sized business, religious and social traditionalists, lower middle and upper middle income earners, farmers, rural and exurban populations, older voters, the South, the Great Plains, the Rocky Mountain West and the state of Alaska, to name the most prominent groups.

On the Democratic side you get, ethnic and religious minorities, middle and high income wage earners, big business and entertainment industries, urban and inner suburban votes, radical liberals - which Americans call liberals. (Note, the term "radical" here does not mean as Americans use it, i. e. "extremist," but rather as the ancient Greeks used the term, meaning "to the root of.") The northeast, the mid-Atlantic, the Pacific coast and the state of Hawaii.

This is how you get a Republican Party that runs from Ted Cruz at one end to John Kasich at the other. This is how you get a Democratic Party that runs from Joe Manchin at one end to Elizabeth Warren at the other. Quite simply, party identification is not about ideological identity.

For my part, I am conservative, but I put an asterisk over it. My conservatism is not what Americans typically call conservative. Because what Americans call conservative is, historically speaking, not conservatism but is, rather, classical liberalism.

My conservatism, which is classical or Tory conservatism, traces its intellectual pedigree through Aristotle, St. Thomas Aquinas, the 18th century British statesman and political philosopher, Edmund Burke, and also the British Prime Ministers Benjamin Disraeli and Lord Salisbury.

Classical conservatives emphasize the nurturing of civic virtue, see free markets as a tool as opposed to the end purpose of government, and believe that politics should take its bearings not from human reason, but human nature. As Burke said, "The effect of liberty to individuals is that they may do what they please. We ought see what it will please them to do before we risk congratulations."

There is much more to it, but this summarizes it.

[EpicDweeb]

I'm neither strictly republican nor democrat... OR libertarian. Libertarians have some ideas bordering on anarchy which tend to have a certain fault in failing to understand the nature of mankind. I tend to be conservative so in many ways I agree with libertarian ideas but not to the extent they would take them. Republicans quite frankly aren't conservative any more and neither of course are democrats... thus I can't say I really associate myself with either one. I tend towards Republican/Libertarian because every now and then there is a conservative amongst them.

[xXiTacoXx]

As left leaning and progressive as my views are I'm actually an independent voter who has no party affiliation. And like me you'll find that quite a few other black people also are independent voters, but the reason why we mostly vote Democrat is because voting Republican would lead to stabbing yourself in the eye directly instead of giving yourself a chance to at least dodge the knife coming at you from else where. Most I know actually aren't too fond of either parties. I know I'm sick of it. 😂😂😂

[AllyKat1218]

I’m independent. I can agree with things or disagree with things on both sides. I honestly think both can be too extreme to the left or the right. I like the good middle. Rn I don’t agree with much of anything on the Republican side, they are doing too many in humans things for me. Democrats can be too extreme on things and some will work but some are irrationally generous.

[HOAAH]

Honestly I vote for whomever seems to be fighting for American rights, but then it gets so blurred I didn't even vote the last time.
I did vote for Obama 2x in a row though.
I think deep down, each citizen just needs to make the best life they can.
I love America :)

[BuchitaBuchys]

I'm more democrat for sure. But lately my boyfriend has been giving me the red pill, or "red penis" as I joke with him lol
He's libertarian and he's been fucking some sense into me.

[ThisDudeHere]

I'm not American and I'd consider myself libertarian/ right-leaning centrist, but if I had to choose then I'd be Republican.

[errorgoodnameunfound]

You wouldn't be a true American libertarian then. Or a centrist. REAL ones would be independent without allegiance. You'd be a fake. You aren't American so stop trying to pretend you know anything about American Republicans.

[Taxation_is_Theft]

That guy sounds like a real American republican, angry all the time.

[errorgoodnameunfound]

@Taxation_is_Theft Who? Me or him?

[ThisDudeHere]

@errorgoodnameunfound I did say that if I HAD to choose.

[Taxation_is_Theft]

You, he says he is libertarian but having to choose between the 2 he chose republican. A lot of libertarians do this. It's not likely that we are going to actually get office as long they don't let us in the big debates. So out of the two parties he chooses the one that aligns with more of his views. Then it sounds like your getting super defensive/angry about it. That sounds like something a real republican would do. Be angry.

[errorgoodnameunfound]

@Taxation_is_Theft Well, cause even people in america barely understand labels. So somebody outside america is usually 100% clueless yet act like smartass experts. I'd like to see him live down south in Mississipi or something, which is VERY republican controlled and see how long it takes for him to whither and fall apart. Europeans are CLUELESS about American republican areas. CLUELESS IDIOTS.

[RegularTK421]

@errorgoodnameunfound whats wrong with the south? I moved down here from the northeast and I love it. You just need to be able to handle other peoples opinions that differ from yours.

[madhatters4]

i'm a democrat. i'd be an independent if my state had open primaries but since they don't and i want a voice i am a registered democrat

[Bluedream13]

Lol some voice

[madhatters4]

@Bluedream13 you Lol too? so does my 12 year old niece.

[RegularTK421]

I'm registered Republican, but I voted for sanders in the democrat primary last election to try and knock out Hillary. Our state has an open primary, but you can only vote in one primary, not both.

[madhatters4]

@RegularTK421 yeah i wish we had open primaries in PA. it was suggested years ago but didn't get much traction

[BlueCoyote]

I'm a social democrat (what Americans incorrectly call "democratic socialist").

[Deukalion]

just asking how it possible democracy to be the same with socialism? what are you really doing in USA you take an apple and turn it to tomato only in america this is possible

[BlueCoyote]

@Deukalion
I'm not American, I'm Swiss.

There are many social democratic countries in Europe. Inform yourself a bit.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_democracy
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_market_economy

[Deukalion]

it's made up shit bu jew marxism apes , socialism cannot be democracy its 2 different things and ideologies, read Plato to understand what is real democracy , socialism it's made up for low IQ people.

[BlueCoyote]

@Deukalion
Social Democracy is a political movement that has been around since the mid-19th century. Clearly, you don't know your history. Or maybe you're just a troll.

[Deukalion]

wow really mid 19th ahhahha. read some books.
democracy founded 4000 B. C and you talking to me about stinky lefties.

[BlueCoyote]

@Deukalion
Social democracy and democracy have absolutely nothing to do with each other. One is a political philosophy, the other is a form of governance.
I have majored in history, thanks. I think the one who needs to read some books is you. And while you're on it, read some books about English grammar.

[Deukalion]

Use the word communism better for you. Lefties are all the same.

[BlueCoyote]

@Deukalion
If you actually think that way, you have never talked to a left-wing person in real life. I'm not a communist and I think I know better what I am than you do.

[Deukalion]

you sound like hypocrite

[BlueCoyote]

@Deukalion
In what way?

[Mexicoman101]

I vote libertarian or preferably green, because these two parties are just dangerous. Maybe I'll vote for a Democrat or Repbublican if they're unequivocally against money in politics and have a maverick agenda that goes beyond the dictates of monied interests, I used to think Obama was that when volunteered for him, but only Bernie Sanders seems to be an elected official that stands for those values. I voted for a Republican once because he told me he was against corporate welfare and for a constitutional amendment getting money out of politics.

[ecfresh]

Fiscally more conservative as I prefer less taxes and more control at the state level than federal. Socially I am middle of the road as I would rather go issue by issue than take a political parties overall stance on issues. While I lean conservative I see each generation that time marches on and we become more progressive.

[baseballnerd24]

definitley a democrat however i do have some conservative views i supported the syria airstrikes, i support the travel ban ( i dont support the wall mainly because mexico dosent pose a great threat like palestine or lebanon does to Israel). I support universial healthcare, raising the minium wage, i would love to see gun control get passed but i no it won't so i have kind of given up on that issue. I think there are a lot of problems with the democratic party now since they have gone to far left so i wouldn't say i am 100 percent a democrat but i dont support most republican views

[abc3643]

It doesn't matter anyway.

I'm just going to get started learning Russian because President Pussygrabber is helping them take over.

How do you say "President Putin, you have the most magnificent penis and are the greatest specimen of maleness in human history! Please don't poison me." in Russian?

[Bluedream13]

lol... stupidest rhetoric in political history and people still lap it up

fucking slaves

[hellionthesagereborn]

None of the above, I am for the truth. So if a policy is provably affective that's what I will choose, so I suppose I could be middle of the road, but then I would also be a bit libertarian at least as individuals are concerned.

[dolemite68]

I’m liberal on things like abortion and drug policy but conservative when it comes to business. I think voting is for saps tho, doesn’t matter who the politicians are cuz you don’t have a say in things, the real owners of this country still hold the puppet strings and make all the choices

[errorgoodnameunfound]

I can understand that. You seem more libertarian if anything. Better to have some say than no say at all though. If you actually look at what majority of people vote for, usually NOBODY is the winner since most don't vote. But that means you are letting a minority tell you who to suck the cock of.

[shephardjhon]

Republican but since all the actual Republicans have now been replaced with the Tea Party, Libertarian.
In Pakistan, where I am from, I support the PTI/Imran Khan, also Perviz Musharraff. I would support the PPP (who American media seems to like) if they were actually liberal and not just a collection of the most corrupt people in the country.

[SpaceFungus-07a]

I'm not sure if I'd say Republican "and proud." More like conservative and proud. I used to be Libertarian, until I realized that a "live and let live" mentality has given us a worthless crappy culture and severed all social bonds.

[lacaras]

I prefer to discuss political beliefs by issue. I lean libertarian, and have been registered Libertarian since 2016 when both major parties decided to offer 2 of the worst candidates in history. I tend to side heavily with the right when it comes to economic concerns, I'm much more mixed on social concerns, in general though, I really think a lot of common issues are better left to the states and not the federal government.

[jaidee]

Classical liberal. In other words, kinda in the middle, kinda above it all, kinda friendly towards libertarians and generally open to complex and nuanced conversations with everybody including extremists of all sides.

[Taxation_is_Theft]

I think my username sorts makes it obvious where I stand.

[ThisDudeHere]

Just for clarity, may I ask how would you expect your government to maintain roads, schools and hospitals? Or do you want all of that to be privatized which would massively inflate the price and thus make them less accessible?

[Taxation_is_Theft]

Sure I understand thats a common question. I'm not against tax as a whole, just the involuntary kind. Im all for consumption tax, that was tax is scaled better based on income. Poor people can't spend much so they would pay less tax, but have more money for food/bills that aren't taxed.

This next part is where a lot of even libertarians argue.
Government education should be the basics at most. Math, science, language, (I would add life skills, like finances and credit scores, how to get loans etc). Then they have government run programs for the electives that parents have to pay for, this is where a good part of the school funding would come from with the consumption tax as said before.

Hospitals are usually privately owned, only thing government does is restrict medications and procedures to the ones provided by big pharmacy. Which causes them to cost way too much. That's why a lot of countries are cheaper healthcare.

[Taxation_is_Theft]

Government inflates the prices by restricting competition.

[ThisDudeHere]

Well okay I can understand that.

[chc0009]

I'm a registered Democrat, but I've been very wary of the Democrat hypocrisy and BS. They defend criminals and illegal immigrants. However, I see them a lesser evil, as Republicans and libertarians pose a bigger threat to the nation.

Liberalism and conservatism=bad and badder.

[Therisinghero12]

Im definitely more republican and its kinda hard to explain why, i guess i sorta agree with their position on many issues and their approach to getting them done.

This seems kinda unrelated but I've wanted to try a fascism experiment ever sense i read "The Wave" in high school, it seems so outlandish and different and it makes me curious what it would be like.

[AoiKaito]

I am an independent and don't subscribe to any particular party or ideology. I just look at each issue individually, listen to all arguments, and make my decision. As a result I am liberal and radical in some areas while conservative and even reactionary in others.

[FriendlyDrugDealer]

I’m pretty much independent but people would think Im liberal with certain philosophies. I just think we should all think for ourselves and decide what we agree on and what can we make a compromise for

[HungLikeAHorsefly]

I'm a Liberal who watches the Democratic Party consistently trip over their own shoes. But they're slightly less derpy than the GOP so I keep voting for them. Sigh.

[Roula78]

I’m a registered independent I don’t join republicbloods or democrips.

[youngfungentleman]

Jesse Ventura?

[Roula78]

Yes but it’s true I consider the president a gangster.

[Raveagite]

Sometimes better nothing then something shoddy.

Both sides have thuroughly proved exactly how sad they are as recently as the last election.

I do have a choice and abstaining isn't throwing your vote away it's voting against both.

[NineBreaker]

I'm neither because the DNC is is too spineless, and the RNC is too heartless, and they both represent special interests more than their own constituents.

[The_FallenOne]

When I see the word 'Republican' all I see is a white male supremacist. The votes only prove my point. 😂

[ZanyInternetName]

>Asks how politically diverse GAG is
>Is from a two party system
Top fucking Kek.

[errorgoodnameunfound]

Oh praise might kekistan! REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE! xD

[Burgerboy21]

I don't like to align myself with any specific political party, but my views tend to go more alongside Democratic. In fact, Republicans tend to piss me off for numerous reasons.

[Renegade_man]

I can vote either way I personally believe we need to get rid of all party's and let people run on just them no party's that's what's wrong with America

[Sixgun77]

Could not agree more

[matchrestore]

I'm a proud member of the Democratic-Non Partisan League of North Dakota. A blue guy in a sea of red (although I live in the most liberal district of the state).

[cutiebytheshore123]

I don't have a particular party. i vote for whoever is going to address my issues at moment.

[cutiebytheshore123]

Technically I'm neither

[qwertykeyboardirldub]

The fact you think it matters is comical. Both parties are run by billionaires for the benefit of billionaires.

[Jack_L_andTurn]

I tend towards libertarianism. I will willingly help anyone in need, but slap back when people try to extract it from me.

[WildGoat]

I swing right. There's a lot that I don't agree with (with the Democtratic party, such as mass immigration, abortion, athesim, white-hate) but I do agree with the Democratic values of affordable healthcare and education and caring for the enviroment.

[errorgoodnameunfound]

The one thing I can't get with the right wing is abortion. You really want a bunch of accidental babies born? And then when the stupid parents of said child can;t afford them, who do ya think pays for their food stamps and welfare huh? US! The public! TIme to get religion the fuck out of politics and grow tf up outta fairy tales!

[WildGoat]

@errorgoodnameunfound what does Religion have to do with this? Don't insult me for having my own opinion. Also how many rich women abort and stuff? Or maybe they shoudln't get pregnant? I'm not gonna get into it but abortion is wrong on every level.

[errorgoodnameunfound]

Well, the rich women I could understand a bit more. But proper health education isn't exactly a strong point for religion now is it? Cause it's too scary to just be blunt and honest with the horny idiots that teens are and tell them try not to fuck till they're ready but if they choose to be that stupid at least wear a goddam condom. Religion is just about the only reason people don't want abortion. I wasn't insulting you, but more your religion, cause religion causes too many issues. Harsh truth. No wonder you can't answer my question.

[WildGoat]

@errorgoodnameunfound you're just a bad person for insulting my personal faith. So many middle class and rich women abort for sheer convenience and that is not something I agree with. People should be more careful. I don't care what you think but I know for a fact if you insulted my beliefs in real life you wouldn't be standing for long. Bigot.

[errorgoodnameunfound]

Listen m8, I come from America where we actually value freedom of speech. If I were to insult your religion, doesn't matter how badly, you lay a finger on me, you'd be arrested and I'd sue the fucking mcshit outta of you until your whole family went broke. Put on some big boy diapers and talk to me like a grownup. Use words. We aren't animals in the jungle. We aren't cavemen. We settle things by words. If you want to be hurt by words, go ahead and run away like a coward. Doesn't make you or your fairy tales seem any more legit, but I'm not stopping you. Maybe I wouldn't insult your fairy tales if you'd answer my goddam question instead of trying to waste time so you can be a pussy out and run away. IDGAF whether you think I'm good or bad. If you don't like people getting pregnant by mistake, start pushing for better health ed! Now ANSWER this already, do you or do you not want to pay for peoples welfare and food stamps as a result of a mistake baby?

[errorgoodnameunfound]

I should probably ADD that yes, middle class and upper class are stupid for having mistake babies. But a women's body is HER choice as SHE goes through pregnancy, NOT you! SHE gets majority decision like it or not! Past a certain point, yes, a baby should not be aborted, but BEFORE a certain point, YES they should! If you read part of the old testament, the TORAH, scholars argue that before a certain point, the baby is about equivalent to water, so an abortion is big whoop. In the end, a unplanned baby isn't good for ANYONE because than it's one more human that uses up the few resources that the Earth has. And likely the parents will suck at raising it, and the baby will grow up to be miserable as fuck. Therefore, it's better TO abort and for a child to be born WHEN READY.

[errorgoodnameunfound]

By the way, still waiting on the answer for my question. Or you lack the intelligence to answer it?

[errorgoodnameunfound]

Hello? Can you answer the question already? Time is money.

[Sixgun77]

I'm very conservative (though my friends call me libertarian) , but I'm against the very existence of political parties and refuse to join any.

[dmgstarfleet]

A libertarian is a Republican that likes to smoke weed. Otherwise they are just as bad.

[Sixgun77]

That's not true, there's definitely a difference between libertarianism and the Republican party. Libertarianism is more about private property, personal liberties, and non aggression (outside of self defense).

[TheUglyMan]

So you're an anarchist?

[Sixgun77]

Not at all. Why do you ask?

[errorgoodnameunfound]

I could probably convince somebody I am libertarian cause I am central on many things and pretty negotiable. My issue with libertarianism is that I'd rather not have the purge 24/7.

[Sixgun77]

Where are you getting that libertarianism would be the purge 24/7?

[errorgoodnameunfound]

It's more of a joke dude. Chillax. Though, a big part of libertarianism is about not having governement involved as much and as little as possible. Ya know, freedom as much as possible even for the biggest idiots on the block. So ya, purging I can see possible. From the ads for the movie I saw, the purge is all crime is legal, little gov't involvement for 24 hours. You don't see any parallels? I think realistically an ideal libertarian dream is just about impossible as is with communism. So you gotta just try to go with what ya got and negotiate the best you can.

[Sixgun77]

No, it's not a parallel. The killing just because it's technically legal still goes against the non aggression principle, which is the cornerstone of libertarianism.

[errorgoodnameunfound]

I think it depends on what kind of libertarianism is followed. From what I know, Ayn Rand is one of the most loved figures of the movement and in her book the fountainhead, the owner of some huge building destroys it. So all that work the workers put into it was completely wasted, the building and everything around it was a waste of time, time=money and money is important to be able to live, so there's that. Another possible example is Sears. From what I know, the CEO adopted "libertarian" principles and you can read for yourself how that went. Chaos, employees at each other's throats, and what we see now, a once big corporation now barely even noticed anymore. Walmart survived. Sears failed miserably and is slowly dying off, miserable and forgotten.
www.twice.com/.../sears-lambert-time-put-down-ayn-rand-63859

[Sixgun77]

I haven't read her. From what I've heard she has good ideas, but takes them too far. I agree with your sentiment about communism/ libertarianism.
The difference is I MOSTLY agree with libertarians, but consider communists enemies.

[errorgoodnameunfound]

I totally get that you'd like libertarian-ism more than communism. Since America is a country valuing freedom and liberty, it makes perfect sense, as people died for that kind of freedom long ago, and still do today. Though if you think about communism and libertarian ism could be the exact same when it comes to social stuff. It's more things like security and economics where there's vast disagreement. Another thing with communism is that every time it happened, it turned into a brutal dictatorship which quickly turned into direct killing of people. Thing is, it's then no longer actual communism. Once a dictatorship is in place, communism doesn't exist anymore. It's partially to blame for it, but it's more the human greed that doesn't allow for it to work. I guess you could say too, if libertarian-ism goes extreme, it's more anarchy, than actual libertarian-ism.

[TheUglyMan]

You said you were against the existence of political parties

[errorgoodnameunfound]

I should add too, the fact that people considered Russia to be communist when the US fought it bred a LOT of hate for communism in the US even though Russia was in actuality a dictatorship at the time. That sentiment remains, but it's important to know true terms though. I am guessing you are pretty anti Russia, and I SINCERELY hope that Americans can come together no matter who they are and hold Russia at a skeptical distance. I'd say more so than China. Not happy that Trump seems to be buddy buddy with Putin. And when even Fox hosts call him out on it, you KNOW he fucked up. Cause he did. That was really shitty even if he didn't mean it, it was REALLY REALLY shitty. I don't like talking about Trump much but I refuse to accept otherwise about Trump on that token. It doesn't matter if Jesus himself became president, we do NOT just suddenly become happy happy with Russia. They are a dangerous country, and we need to be string against em.

[errorgoodnameunfound]

STRONG against them!*

[Sixgun77]

@errorgoodnameunfound
I agree very much with what you're saying.
On Russia: I think it would be nice to be able to trade with them and be on good terms, but they are NOT our friends or allies. I feel the same about China. It's important to remember that while conducting diplomatic operations.

[Sixgun77]

@TheUglyMan
I am. George Washington's farewell address gives very good and compelling reasons to NOT form political parties, and I feel what he feared came to pass.
I agree with Republicans the vast majority of the time rather than Democrats, but I'll never join any party.
Libertarianism exists outside of the libertarian political party in the USA. There are several facets of libertarianism I agree with, but I'll never register with the party.
It's important to not the differences between ideology, philosophy, and ethos vs an actual political party. I think it would be best if there were no parties, only candidates and their stances on issues.

[errorgoodnameunfound]

Exactly. We need to KNOW that the white house considers Russia as NOT our friend. China yes, we need to be weary of them, but at least they provide manufactured goods for us. Wtf does Russia give us? What does Russia do that's good for the world? Support the Assad terrorist regime in Syria and brainwash not only Russians but Syrians too to suck Putin's dick? I am pretty sure George Washington was the one to STERNLY say, do NOT form multiple parties!! ONE JOB America. ONE job. I no longer associate much with political parties either. They change too quickly and any loyalty can become a very costly slap in the face at any second. It's nice to be independent. Actually makes talking to people a LOT easier.

[Sixgun77]

I'd like to clarify. Russia seems China themselves are less of a problem in my eyes than communism itself. From what I can tell, leftism (in any of its forms) is corrosive to any culture or nation it's introduced to.
And you are correct, Washington did indeed say NOT to form political parties. His reason is that the parties would become concerned more with remaining in power and punishing the party not in power than serving the will of the people and upholding the constitution.
If you've never read his farewell address in its entirety, I'd highly recommend it.

[errorgoodnameunfound]

Nah, you can't be a true libertarian then without leftist ideas. Gay rights, pro choice, and even the ability to bear arms are all leftist ideas. It's quite hypocritical that the left seems scared of guns. There has to be some reason your friends call you libertarians. You likely just don't like a leftist label so you can "fit in" more and feel better about yourself. Most people do that. Look, I lean a bit left and we could come to some pretty decent agreement, therefore, ALL leftist stuff can't be bad. I may make some time to read it. Just for me it'd take patience as I'm no fan of old English. But yah, George Washington was a unique figure and perhaps we should have heeded his advice.

[Sixgun77]

The speech isn't a difficult read.
I don't claim to be a libertarian, many of my friends call me one. Gay marriage is the first thing that comes to mind that I very strongly disagree with them on. I firmly believe that marriage is one man, one woman.
I'm very much for the right to keep and bear arms, and feel that most of the gun control we have (especially the Hughes amendment and "may issue" laws like here in Maryland" go against the constitution.

[Sixgun77]

For the most part I'm for private property rights and very limited government. I prefer referendum and don't trust any official to speak for me. I feel that most things should be decided at the state level by people, not a handful of politicians.
I'm all for legalizing recreational drug use (and creation) for adults. That includes allowing people to distill their own liquor.
I'm one of those people who's ok with political gridlock and feel that the less the government accomplishes, the better off free people are.
I'm pro choice, but feel abortion is a state's rights issue.

[RedThread]

Neither.. They both frustrate me to no end.

Proud independent.

[RockStarBob]

Dunno why anyone with even half a brain would be proud to associate himself with the GOP these days, especially with Donald Trump! 🙄

[Hispanic-Cool-Guy]

American, but don't associate with political parties.

Both sides can have good and bad ideas.

[zagor]

I'm still registered as a Democrat, but now they pretty much piss me off. If there was a reasonable alternative I would take it, but both parties are pieces of shit these days.

[NYCQuestions1976]

Libertarian Nationalist (supporting individual civil liberty while also supporting national security and putting this country first).

[SleepingSnorlax]

I hate both partied i am neither i think political parties are awful

[anametouse]

Neither. Both parties are shit and we need reform on our political system. Political parties were designed to bypass the checks and balances

[SexyAsian]

I'm more of and independent with Republican leading ways.

[Skullpool]

I am a simple dude who believe that polarization is more a political strategy than a real way of thinking

[PrettyRegular]

I'm not American but I voted Republican because I would back them for sure. They mostly share my values.

[errorgoodnameunfound]

Heh, you say that coming from Finland m8. You know nothing about what it's like living in a republican controlled state. Ya know how Finland has gun laws, decent transit, and decen health care and education? If you don't mind kissing all those good bye, then sure, you'd be fine in republican areas.

[PrettyRegular]

@errorgoodnameunfound This is a communistic nannystate. I think that republicans are for decent transit and healthcare. It's fine that further educations cost. In Finland there is absolutely crazy taxes and for example you can buy anything but mild alcohols only from the covernment owned alcohol store. With these tax rates we got free further studies. There's nothing to cheer about, about that. Glad that I'm moving to England. It's the place where I want to live in many ways.

[errorgoodnameunfound]

Sure, you say that. But don't you enjoy riding the bus or tram to anywhere? And having a decent train to go places? That doesn't exist in any place republicans control. They love cars. They love highways and isolated suburbs and hate public transit. On healthcare I can't say as much, but so far, I've seen just about nothing put on the table. I don't think they have any plan, they just know what they DON'T want and that's it. Having to pay stupid big prices for college for a degree not even guaranteeing a job anymore sucks. Republican controlled areas suck at education unless it's literally middle of nowhere states, but even those don't seem that great. Alcohol is stupid and people are stupid, so no, it's not easy to get, however, your mom then isn't as likely to die from drunk driving is she? You are taxed to be well educated and you probably are more educated than an average American. That's somethign to treasure. Oh and England is pretty left wing vs America.

[errorgoodnameunfound]

So, case in point, you seem to know jack shit about the American right yet support it anyways. TIme to start doing actual research dude. The whole "I would vote for republicans" but yet moving to England makes you seem like a HUGE hypocrite. Reminds me of those republicans that live in New England and LA whining about everything. As if they can't just move. Fact is, more left wing people never make much a peep when living in the republican areas. We know it's not the best, but it's home and we suck it up and make the best of it, cause we know we'd be shut up quick if we say the wrong thing.

[errorgoodnameunfound]

You are exactly the reason I HATE when foreigners talk about American politics. They often don't know jack shit about America as you shown very clearly. I don't go around assuming shit about Finland, I actually looked info up first. You foreigners need to STAY THE FUCK out of butting into American politics. We aren't babies, we are strong as fuck and can kick your countries' ass and very hard. Don't assume how we run things because ONLY we know. AMERICANS know America best and as Russia has shown, when foreigners try to play into American politics, it corrupts and fucks up our justice system. Stay the fuck OUT of our politics.

[errorgoodnameunfound]

Last statement I made by the way, is actually a very American right wing stance. Just fyi.

[PrettyRegular]

@errorgoodnameunfound Yes. I know that England is more left but still a big step forward from the Nordic countries. I believe in capitalism and that people should be mostly on their own and covernment should let people live their own lifes. If my parents would like to make a suicide by drinking, they could do it when ever they want. There's about 10 litres of spirits. But they won't do it because they are adults who know, what is reasonable and what's not. I agree that public transport is also important and maybe the covernment could use a bit of money to make schools cheaper but I wouldn't adapt this Finland system.

[PrettyRegular]

I have been following that what Republicans are going for and also Trump's tweets. They seem to be doing fine. Trump has a lot of achievements especially in economy.

[errorgoodnameunfound]

I get that you don't like the finnish system as I guess it leans too far towards communism it seems, but as long as you take advantage of things like good education, healthcare, and transit, you can't complain much. About the alcohol too, you can buy it like anywhere almost anytime, with less restrictions, meaning a lot more idiots driving drunk on the road and killing people. You do realize in the city I am from, that's what happened A shithead drove drunkenly into people that got out of their car to help others and they all died cause of him. But he;s wealthy, so it took fucking forever to actually get him prosecuted even a little bit. He was in jail barely, released started drinking AGAIN, and who knows if in jail again? Maybe you know not to be stupid with drinking cause you got a decent education about it. People in republican areas do NOT often get educated about it. Relying on Twitter for shit is stupid, especially from Trump's account. Of course he's gonna say good about himsel

[errorgoodnameunfound]

Ah yes, the republicans SEEM to be doing OK, so therefore, everyone in republican areas are happy happy happy dancing together singing kumbaya! *facepalm* Dude, read some actual news. BBC or something. Come on now. Let me guess, you also read the daily mail and the sun? Lolz fuckin tabloids for fucks sake. Listen mate, you aren't American, so do America a favor and don't think for a second you understand even 20% of what goes on there. You don't know and never will unless you come and move there. So shut the fuck up about saying "oh id vote republican" no, I bet you wouldn't. As a REAL American republican would say, "shut the fuck up, you damn foreign scum"

[PrettyRegular]

@errorgoodnameunfound
www.conservapedia.com/Donald_Trump_achievements
There is Trump's achievements. One thing that I liked too was to resign from the Paris deal. It's an absurd deal because it's way too rapid and bad for the economy. It's good to pollute less but it should be a really long time project. It's like everything should be done now while it should take about a century to be reasonable.
I have my own opinions and I don't fully agree with Trump or republicans and I understand your points too.

[PrettyRegular]

Yeah, I get that but I bet republicans doesn't have anything against legal immigrants.

[errorgoodnameunfound]

I like your conclusion, and I get that the Paris deal may have been a bit too much. Maybe west Europe just has a certain system with that stuff that may not work as well elsewhere at the moment. I'm unsure. But seriously dude, that is one of the most blatantly biased source you could give me. If you were to convince me to buy an iphone, would you send me to iphoneORdeath. com for reviews or ya know, an actually objective review site? Same shit. Conservapedia is not even unique and is a blatent ripoff of Wikipedia. The ACTUAL Wikipedia could sue if they wanted to over copying the name. Wikipedia ITSELF is actually not even trusted as a legit source. You were never taught in classes that you'd fail a paper if you use wikipedia as a source? And if that's the case with Wikipedia, then of course that conservapedia crap is going to be way worse. Hell, I can go in and edit the article you showed me to read in BIG letters "GAG user PrettyRegular sucks balls." So is it even worth going there?

[errorgoodnameunfound]

If I had a shitty phone, you wouldn't buy a Chinese copycat version of that phone would you? Well, the shitty phone is wikipedia and the chinease copycat version is conservapedia. Again, you are a foreigner dude. You gotta work harder than that if you want to talk American politics and not seem like a complete fool. I'm glad at least you don't fully agree with them, but I have a feeling if you actually LIVED in a republican state, you'd be RUSHING to vote democrat. So I'd suggest doing what I do and be independent of left or right as they are just labels.

[PrettyRegular]

@errorgoodnameunfound Well it was really comprehensive source and probably most comprehensive around. Facts should be right. Maybe someone conservative had more motivation to write about Trump than someone, who doesn't like him too much.

[errorgoodnameunfound]

It's not a good source at all. Just a bunch of random opinions. Like I said, I could go on there and publish a bunch of BS about you. Would that make it true? I could literally do it. Like right now. Have a page just for you and everything. I could make an article about how much of a liberal you are, that you are a fake conservative trying to disrupt the American way and publish all sorts of other BS too. Is it suddenly true just because it's on that site? And have you SEEN the amount of articles that are against Trump? ALL of them accredited, well sourced, fact checked, etc! www.snopes.com/.../
www.washingtonpost.com/.../...4e35920a3_story.html
www.forbes.com/.../100-days-4-worst-and-1-good-thing-trump-has-done-for-t

[errorgoodnameunfound]

You have absolutely no evidence of your last statement. None. I could also say you aren't even a real account, but a fake one, most fake one in the world. Super fake. Probably just a bot account. It's true now because I say so?

[JesseTheMan]

Neither. Politics are not a dichatomy and partisan bs is annoying.

[Mayday40]

I'm a proud Canadian ain't nothing nor anyone gonna change that.

[Freedom97]

I was a Republican, but the party is full of shitheads

[ryryryan]

My voting history:
Kerry 2004, Obama 2008 Obama 2012" Clinton 2016.

[Pistachio0690]

Same here, except i wasn't old enough to vote until 2008

[TheUglyMan]

G@G is liberal af. If democrats continue down the socialist path republicans will win again.

[Sixgun77]

Sounds good to me.

[errorgoodnameunfound]

Just like every other kinda successful and above social website. Facebook, Twitter, Youtube, Google, what'd you expect? Republicans can theoretically make some kind of social thing out there that can get popular so why don't they? But yah, I do agree if there is too far of a movement to the left, Trump can win again. We need to keep it fuckin center. Get ideas from both side and fuckin work with each other instead of paranoia like in the cold war. I don't wanna hear it's THAT side's fault or some shit, no, both sides suck on many aspects and it's up to them to fix it, nobody else. I do sense that America may become libertarian very soon. It'd make sense. Then once we go through a couple purges and a few billion die, maybe a gov't will be rebuilt right this time.

[Seppelson]

I think it's wrong that there are no other parties to vote vor.
You can only vote vor racists or boring office people

[FireAsh]

Neither, I hate the two-party system

I am an liberal

[Bluedream13]

a classical liberal i hope

[baconmuffins]

I am an independent, for the right's of all Americans, the bartter system.

[Hummers_Frost]

Proud Republican who is glad that abortion will be made illegal within the next 18 months in about 20 states. It's about time.

[SleepingSnorlax]

Why start the debate tho

[dmgstarfleet]

You keep believing that. About 67% want Roe preserved-we will do it legislatively or even by Constitutional Amendment. Yours is an extreme minority position

[Hummers_Frost]

@dmgstarfleet
Doesn't matter what you say. My people will end it. Keep believing how you want, baby killer.

[Hummers_Frost]

The 2 females who downloaded this are wusses who can't reply. Bold enough to downvote but a wuss to defend what I said.

[SleepingSnorlax]

you're very closed minded huh?
This seems to be most political parties thats why im so against them each is too proud to see the others argument

[dmgstarfleet]

And you will never win. Enjoy watching your agenda fall apart Christo-Fascist. That's what you get for selling your soul to Trump.

[dmgstarfleet]

My Hummers-Frost-that's not very "Christian" of you? What kimd of "witness" are you giving for Christianity? You're a damned hypocrite

[Hummers_Frost]

@dmgstarfleet
Calling people out is not unchristian.

You'll see that abortion will be illegal in 20 states within 18 months soon.

[dmgstarfleet]

temporarily. And there is always the abortion pill. Quit trying to impose your religion on others! The fact that evangelicals made a pact with the devil says it all! Christianity is dying off thanks to Christo-Fascist such as yourself. The real reason in Evangelical opposition to abortion is revealed by their stance on Birth Control They should be for it because it would reduce abortion. They oppose Birth Control and abortion for the same reason-they are anti-sex. Both eliminate the "consequences" of sex so puritanical warped Christians oppose them

[Hummers_Frost]

@dmgstarfleet
Everybody is religious. You have secular religion. Anything non-Christian is secular and therefore a religious stance. You believe in something. Believing in pro-choice is a religion.

[Hummers_Frost]

I only became a Christian 3 years ago after being atheist for 6 years.

[Hummers_Frost]

I meant 3 months ago.

[dmgstarfleet]

Boy that's some kind of backwards convoluted logic! No wonder you drank the kool-aide. You have deranged thinking. You prove your Chriisto-Fascism by labeling all other beliefs than Christianity-including Islam, Judiaism, Buddhism and Wicca just to name a few, You are all for religous liberty but for Christians only. Don't worry-50 years from now abortion will still be around but the Republican Party probably won't and lets hope this superstition called Christianity has died a much overdue death

[errorgoodnameunfound]

Yah, and then who pays for those unwanted babies' welfare? Wonderful thinking! Cause everyone wants MORE taxes to pay for welfare for unwanted babies instead of just letting a mother take care of a stupid mistake! If you want women not to get abortion, then YOU take in all the unwanted babies for free! I don't wanna pay for it. I agree with dmgstarfleet. Christianity is one of the single stupidest religions out there.

[Hummers_Frost]

@dmgstarfleet
Abortion will be very limited less than 2 years from now. Keep supporting your evil all you want. It won't get you anywhere.

[dmgstarfleet]

keep on praying-any ct decision will be temporary. Overturning Row will be the best thing ever for progressives-2/3s of Americans back Roe-almost all of the "pro-lifers" are Jesus Freaks (and hypocrites at that) People aren't paying attention till its overturned-then the fury will unleash. It would fuel a massive vote for progressives (Trump is already fueling one). This will give us commanding majorities in both houses-Supreme Ct will be expanded to correct for the politicization of the Court with the stolen seat and Choice will be protected by legislation at the least and possibly by Constitutional Amendment. 2/3s of the Country oppose overturning Roe. So the end of your efforts will be even stronger protection of a woman's constitutional rights. And you evangelicals sold your soul to Satan and gained nothing.

[errorgoodnameunfound]

@dmgstarfleet UM, EXCUSE ME! I have talked to Satan before and she would be quite upset to have people as immoral as evangelicals on her turf! Would you like it if your neighbor dumped a bunch of hypocrites on your freshly mowed lawn? NO? Ok then! Now on the abortion thing, there's only going to end up more fighting among the right with this thing. On one hand, yes, many don't want abortion. But often, those same people do not want proper sex ed either. Therefore, TA DA! A lot more stars of 16 and pregnant! What the show doesn't show enough of is the vast WELFARE, FOOD STAMPS, and GOV'T HANDOUTS they then rely on! But WAIT! I thought the right was AGAINST that? So with this, WHAT is the solution? You can be against abortion all ya want, but then don't cry when taxes go up to pay for those unwanted babies now on welfare. Or if taxes are cut, for baby corpses everywhere since funerals and caskets likely won't be affordable.

[MlleCake]

None of the above.

[Ellie-V]

Politics are stupid scams.

[close2heaven]

I'm a Conservative Independent

[JenSCDC]

I'm a Democrat because I'm a decent person.

[errorgoodnameunfound]

... I can see some REALLY bad shit popping up soon. I'd be careful saying shit like that...

[The_FallenOne]

Your answer says otherwise.

[errorgoodnameunfound]

@The_FallenOne Thanks for making demonstrating my prediction. Gotta love partisan people lolz.

[LuvAsh]

None. They're both deceptive

[LuvAsh]

But i can't vote anyways so 😂😂😂

[boulshyte]

thank god im not American

[errorgoodnameunfound]

If only god actually existed. Maybe he'd get rid of that useless country called New Zealand...

[boulshyte]

😂😂😂 ur going through a lot aren't u?

[errorgoodnameunfound]

I'm a all American troll. What'd you expect? But seriously though, who tf cares about New Zealand, as from what I saw is your country? What the fuck has New Zealand done for the world compared to America? If you ever have used Netflix, gone to McDonalds, used Amazon or Windows, you know what country you should be thanking. But you are right, I am going through a lot. It's quite a pain to talk to some stranger from a useless country.

[boulshyte]

stop my stomach hurts 😂😂😂😂😂😂

[Allie_Oops]

@errorgoodnameunfound I think the electric fence was developed by someone from New Zealand lol. We use those a lot, especially around our prisons, the same prisons that the rest of the world believes are inhumane and do not help society or criminals lol.

[boulshyte]

we came up with giving women the rights to vote before u losers who by the way can't even elect one.

[Allie_Oops]

@boulshyte That was the best response I've seen to a troll in a long time lol

[errorgoodnameunfound]

Yay, women's rights. K, cool. Anything else? Like... something the world could actually benefit from? I doubt New Zealand has a perfect record on rights for minorities. No country does. But there's likely a list of countries that had women's rights waaay before. Try again. Inventions? Innovations at all? Worldwide companies? Famous figures? I'm waiting...

[errorgoodnameunfound]

Yay. A fence... weeeeeeeeeeeeeeee... I'm about as happy as that pig from a the geico commercial https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XMTfHbc788Y

[boulshyte]

taika waititi, sir edmund hillary, kate sheppard, ernest rutherford... lorde lol. stop living in ur usa bubble

[Sixgun77]

Some guy in NZ built a turbine powered Guinness cooler. F yeah!

[errorgoodnameunfound]

I have not heard a single one of those except Lorde. But of course, you've heard of Bill Gates, MLK Jr., Steve Jobs, Elon Musk, George Washington, Abraham Lincoln, Neil Armstrong, Obama, The wright brothers, Amelia Earhart, Metallica's band mates, Slayer's band mates, George Locus, Stephan Spielberg, Woody Allen, ... Shall I go on? Let's not forget Lorde's fame is because of American record labels, American shows, etc. The cooler seems nice though lol

[boulshyte]

pft u only know those people because usa has the main stage, if ur from nz and make it then its really worth something. and no i didn't expect u to know who i listed the same way I don't know half the people u listed. bet all those names u listed wouldn't be able to handle living in nz. probs have a fat cry about y haven't i made it yet. they got it too easy.

[errorgoodnameunfound]

Hah. That's what many think about America. "Oh it's so easy" K, tell that to the war veteran who got his leg shot off in Iraq just to return home to find his wife cheating on him. And on top of that, his insurance rates go up on his car that he already struggled to afford because now he's single. Or what about the American who came as an immigrant and can't get a job ANYWHERE so they can work and pay for the insanely expensive college in America as well as health care? Not to mention the areas with the most opportunity are sky high expensive. You think American living is so easy, GO LIVE THERE for a bit first. I never said living in New Zealand was easy. You are digging this hole yourself. There are countries smaller or around the same size as New Zealand who struggled WAY more yet achieved WAY more. You don't have room to talk. If I were you, I'd stfu about america unless you go live there for at least 10 years. In fact, I DARE you to live in the state of Mississippi and still be hapy

[errorgoodnameunfound]

That's sad you don't know half those people, cause guess what? Without them, flying on planes may not exist, your laptop wouldn't have it's OS, you would lack netflix, you would lack good movies, hell you wouldn't be talking shit on this site about America because this site itself is American. Why can't somebody in New Zealand make a site like this? Perhaps New Zealanders are simply weaker and stupider?

[boulshyte]

dude there is no way in hell i care enough to read all that. this convo isn't worth it. peace out🤙

[errorgoodnameunfound]

Lol. Somebody got scared. Guess New Zealanders are weaker. What's the matter? Never learned how to read well either? Is what I said too long and intelligent?

[errorgoodnameunfound]

I'm just waiting for you to block me like the baby you are. Acting oh so tough like america is so bad, then running away like the pussy you are the minute somebody calls you out on your BS.

[crazy8000]

Some actually have the skills to destroy themselves and still think they have won when they already have lost before they begun 😂😂

[errorgoodnameunfound]

@crazy8000 Ah yes, somebody that comes from probably the most spoiled country in the world comes on to enlighten us. Tell me more about how blocking people you don't agree with wins arguments?

[crazy8000]

For the blocking thing do actually the one that blocked end up in a bad light since it is little to obvious why the times it's not trolling from the blocked one.

Why do you get offended of this opinion owner you have been trying to offend on a personal level with non personal thing's?

[errorgoodnameunfound]

@crazy8000 I never got offended. I'm just calling people out on their shit. If they can't handle it, too bad. This is an American site and even allowing foreigners here is a privilege if you think about it. If she is gonna toss around insults, she's gonna get insults back. What's the issue?

[crazy8000]

I hope you are that wide in your view that you see you did shoot yourself in the foot with that attitude in that statement.

Why is it an insult to you? are you a country?
(a lot of people doesn't like usa just like other countries. If you haven't been around enough you would most likely realize that usa aren't that popular outside usa since the government behaves as a bully, a manipulative one plus a bunch of other thing's)
And why must you lower yourself lower than someone that did insult you? did that person insult you as a individual?
Why should non American member be privileged when those that drives this application is targeting the international market?

Have you heard of the explosion.
Let the other one destroy themselves.
Think little on this one and recheck what you have ben writing as a third person as it was someone else and that it was an other country mentioned.

[BornFree]

Neither, I am an Libertarian

[vishna]

I haven't picked either.

[MidnightCowboy]

I do not belong to any parties