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You wouldn't be a true American libertarian then. Or a centrist. REAL ones would be independent without allegiance. You'd be a fake. You aren't American so stop trying to pretend you know anything about American Republicans.
That guy sounds like a real American republican, angry all the time.
@Taxation_is_Theft Who? Me or him?
@errorgoodnameunfound I did say that if I HAD to choose.
You, he says he is libertarian but having to choose between the 2 he chose republican. A lot of libertarians do this. It's not likely that we are going to actually get office as long they don't let us in the big debates. So out of the two parties he chooses the one that aligns with more of his views. Then it sounds like your getting super defensive/angry about it. That sounds like something a real republican would do. Be angry.
@Taxation_is_Theft Well, cause even people in america barely understand labels. So somebody outside america is usually 100% clueless yet act like smartass experts. I'd like to see him live down south in Mississipi or something, which is VERY republican controlled and see how long it takes for him to whither and fall apart. Europeans are CLUELESS about American republican areas. CLUELESS IDIOTS.
@errorgoodnameunfound whats wrong with the south? I moved down here from the northeast and I love it. You just need to be able to handle other peoples opinions that differ from yours.
Lol some voice
@Bluedream13 you Lol too? so does my 12 year old niece.
I'm registered Republican, but I voted for sanders in the democrat primary last election to try and knock out Hillary. Our state has an open primary, but you can only vote in one primary, not both.
@RegularTK421 yeah i wish we had open primaries in PA. it was suggested years ago but didn't get much traction
just asking how it possible democracy to be the same with socialism? what are you really doing in USA you take an apple and turn it to tomato only in america this is possible
@Deukalion I'm not American, I'm Swiss.There are many social democratic countries in Europe. Inform yourself a bit.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_democracyen.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_market_economy
it's made up shit bu jew marxism apes , socialism cannot be democracy its 2 different things and ideologies, read Plato to understand what is real democracy , socialism it's made up for low IQ people.
@Deukalion Social Democracy is a political movement that has been around since the mid-19th century. Clearly, you don't know your history. Or maybe you're just a troll.
wow really mid 19th ahhahha. read some books.democracy founded 4000 B. C and you talking to me about stinky lefties.
@Deukalion Social democracy and democracy have absolutely nothing to do with each other. One is a political philosophy, the other is a form of governance.I have majored in history, thanks. I think the one who needs to read some books is you. And while you're on it, read some books about English grammar.
Use the word communism better for you. Lefties are all the same.
@Deukalion If you actually think that way, you have never talked to a left-wing person in real life. I'm not a communist and I think I know better what I am than you do.
you sound like hypocrite
@Deukalion In what way?
lol... stupidest rhetoric in political history and people still lap it upfucking slaves
I can understand that. You seem more libertarian if anything. Better to have some say than no say at all though. If you actually look at what majority of people vote for, usually NOBODY is the winner since most don't vote. But that means you are letting a minority tell you who to suck the cock of.
Just for clarity, may I ask how would you expect your government to maintain roads, schools and hospitals? Or do you want all of that to be privatized which would massively inflate the price and thus make them less accessible?
Sure I understand thats a common question. I'm not against tax as a whole, just the involuntary kind. Im all for consumption tax, that was tax is scaled better based on income. Poor people can't spend much so they would pay less tax, but have more money for food/bills that aren't taxed.This next part is where a lot of even libertarians argue.Government education should be the basics at most. Math, science, language, (I would add life skills, like finances and credit scores, how to get loans etc). Then they have government run programs for the electives that parents have to pay for, this is where a good part of the school funding would come from with the consumption tax as said before.Hospitals are usually privately owned, only thing government does is restrict medications and procedures to the ones provided by big pharmacy. Which causes them to cost way too much. That's why a lot of countries are cheaper healthcare.
Government inflates the prices by restricting competition.
Well okay I can understand that.
Yes but it’s true I consider the president a gangster.
Oh praise might kekistan! REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE! xD
Technically I'm neither
Could not agree more
A libertarian is a Republican that likes to smoke weed. Otherwise they are just as bad.
That's not true, there's definitely a difference between libertarianism and the Republican party. Libertarianism is more about private property, personal liberties, and non aggression (outside of self defense).
So you're an anarchist?
Not at all. Why do you ask?
I could probably convince somebody I am libertarian cause I am central on many things and pretty negotiable. My issue with libertarianism is that I'd rather not have the purge 24/7.
Where are you getting that libertarianism would be the purge 24/7?
It's more of a joke dude. Chillax. Though, a big part of libertarianism is about not having governement involved as much and as little as possible. Ya know, freedom as much as possible even for the biggest idiots on the block. So ya, purging I can see possible. From the ads for the movie I saw, the purge is all crime is legal, little gov't involvement for 24 hours. You don't see any parallels? I think realistically an ideal libertarian dream is just about impossible as is with communism. So you gotta just try to go with what ya got and negotiate the best you can.
No, it's not a parallel. The killing just because it's technically legal still goes against the non aggression principle, which is the cornerstone of libertarianism.
I think it depends on what kind of libertarianism is followed. From what I know, Ayn Rand is one of the most loved figures of the movement and in her book the fountainhead, the owner of some huge building destroys it. So all that work the workers put into it was completely wasted, the building and everything around it was a waste of time, time=money and money is important to be able to live, so there's that. Another possible example is Sears. From what I know, the CEO adopted "libertarian" principles and you can read for yourself how that went. Chaos, employees at each other's throats, and what we see now, a once big corporation now barely even noticed anymore. Walmart survived. Sears failed miserably and is slowly dying off, miserable and forgotten. www.twice.com/.../sears-lambert-time-put-down-ayn-rand-63859
I haven't read her. From what I've heard she has good ideas, but takes them too far. I agree with your sentiment about communism/ libertarianism. The difference is I MOSTLY agree with libertarians, but consider communists enemies.
I totally get that you'd like libertarian-ism more than communism. Since America is a country valuing freedom and liberty, it makes perfect sense, as people died for that kind of freedom long ago, and still do today. Though if you think about communism and libertarian ism could be the exact same when it comes to social stuff. It's more things like security and economics where there's vast disagreement. Another thing with communism is that every time it happened, it turned into a brutal dictatorship which quickly turned into direct killing of people. Thing is, it's then no longer actual communism. Once a dictatorship is in place, communism doesn't exist anymore. It's partially to blame for it, but it's more the human greed that doesn't allow for it to work. I guess you could say too, if libertarian-ism goes extreme, it's more anarchy, than actual libertarian-ism.
You said you were against the existence of political parties
I should add too, the fact that people considered Russia to be communist when the US fought it bred a LOT of hate for communism in the US even though Russia was in actuality a dictatorship at the time. That sentiment remains, but it's important to know true terms though. I am guessing you are pretty anti Russia, and I SINCERELY hope that Americans can come together no matter who they are and hold Russia at a skeptical distance. I'd say more so than China. Not happy that Trump seems to be buddy buddy with Putin. And when even Fox hosts call him out on it, you KNOW he fucked up. Cause he did. That was really shitty even if he didn't mean it, it was REALLY REALLY shitty. I don't like talking about Trump much but I refuse to accept otherwise about Trump on that token. It doesn't matter if Jesus himself became president, we do NOT just suddenly become happy happy with Russia. They are a dangerous country, and we need to be string against em.
STRONG against them!*
@errorgoodnameunfound I agree very much with what you're saying.On Russia: I think it would be nice to be able to trade with them and be on good terms, but they are NOT our friends or allies. I feel the same about China. It's important to remember that while conducting diplomatic operations.
@TheUglyManI am. George Washington's farewell address gives very good and compelling reasons to NOT form political parties, and I feel what he feared came to pass. I agree with Republicans the vast majority of the time rather than Democrats, but I'll never join any party. Libertarianism exists outside of the libertarian political party in the USA. There are several facets of libertarianism I agree with, but I'll never register with the party. It's important to not the differences between ideology, philosophy, and ethos vs an actual political party. I think it would be best if there were no parties, only candidates and their stances on issues.
Exactly. We need to KNOW that the white house considers Russia as NOT our friend. China yes, we need to be weary of them, but at least they provide manufactured goods for us. Wtf does Russia give us? What does Russia do that's good for the world? Support the Assad terrorist regime in Syria and brainwash not only Russians but Syrians too to suck Putin's dick? I am pretty sure George Washington was the one to STERNLY say, do NOT form multiple parties!! ONE JOB America. ONE job. I no longer associate much with political parties either. They change too quickly and any loyalty can become a very costly slap in the face at any second. It's nice to be independent. Actually makes talking to people a LOT easier.
I'd like to clarify. Russia seems China themselves are less of a problem in my eyes than communism itself. From what I can tell, leftism (in any of its forms) is corrosive to any culture or nation it's introduced to. And you are correct, Washington did indeed say NOT to form political parties. His reason is that the parties would become concerned more with remaining in power and punishing the party not in power than serving the will of the people and upholding the constitution. If you've never read his farewell address in its entirety, I'd highly recommend it.
Nah, you can't be a true libertarian then without leftist ideas. Gay rights, pro choice, and even the ability to bear arms are all leftist ideas. It's quite hypocritical that the left seems scared of guns. There has to be some reason your friends call you libertarians. You likely just don't like a leftist label so you can "fit in" more and feel better about yourself. Most people do that. Look, I lean a bit left and we could come to some pretty decent agreement, therefore, ALL leftist stuff can't be bad. I may make some time to read it. Just for me it'd take patience as I'm no fan of old English. But yah, George Washington was a unique figure and perhaps we should have heeded his advice.
The speech isn't a difficult read. I don't claim to be a libertarian, many of my friends call me one. Gay marriage is the first thing that comes to mind that I very strongly disagree with them on. I firmly believe that marriage is one man, one woman. I'm very much for the right to keep and bear arms, and feel that most of the gun control we have (especially the Hughes amendment and "may issue" laws like here in Maryland" go against the constitution.
For the most part I'm for private property rights and very limited government. I prefer referendum and don't trust any official to speak for me. I feel that most things should be decided at the state level by people, not a handful of politicians. I'm all for legalizing recreational drug use (and creation) for adults. That includes allowing people to distill their own liquor. I'm one of those people who's ok with political gridlock and feel that the less the government accomplishes, the better off free people are. I'm pro choice, but feel abortion is a state's rights issue.
The one thing I can't get with the right wing is abortion. You really want a bunch of accidental babies born? And then when the stupid parents of said child can;t afford them, who do ya think pays for their food stamps and welfare huh? US! The public! TIme to get religion the fuck out of politics and grow tf up outta fairy tales!
@errorgoodnameunfound what does Religion have to do with this? Don't insult me for having my own opinion. Also how many rich women abort and stuff? Or maybe they shoudln't get pregnant? I'm not gonna get into it but abortion is wrong on every level.
Well, the rich women I could understand a bit more. But proper health education isn't exactly a strong point for religion now is it? Cause it's too scary to just be blunt and honest with the horny idiots that teens are and tell them try not to fuck till they're ready but if they choose to be that stupid at least wear a goddam condom. Religion is just about the only reason people don't want abortion. I wasn't insulting you, but more your religion, cause religion causes too many issues. Harsh truth. No wonder you can't answer my question.
@errorgoodnameunfound you're just a bad person for insulting my personal faith. So many middle class and rich women abort for sheer convenience and that is not something I agree with. People should be more careful. I don't care what you think but I know for a fact if you insulted my beliefs in real life you wouldn't be standing for long. Bigot.
Listen m8, I come from America where we actually value freedom of speech. If I were to insult your religion, doesn't matter how badly, you lay a finger on me, you'd be arrested and I'd sue the fucking mcshit outta of you until your whole family went broke. Put on some big boy diapers and talk to me like a grownup. Use words. We aren't animals in the jungle. We aren't cavemen. We settle things by words. If you want to be hurt by words, go ahead and run away like a coward. Doesn't make you or your fairy tales seem any more legit, but I'm not stopping you. Maybe I wouldn't insult your fairy tales if you'd answer my goddam question instead of trying to waste time so you can be a pussy out and run away. IDGAF whether you think I'm good or bad. If you don't like people getting pregnant by mistake, start pushing for better health ed! Now ANSWER this already, do you or do you not want to pay for peoples welfare and food stamps as a result of a mistake baby?
I should probably ADD that yes, middle class and upper class are stupid for having mistake babies. But a women's body is HER choice as SHE goes through pregnancy, NOT you! SHE gets majority decision like it or not! Past a certain point, yes, a baby should not be aborted, but BEFORE a certain point, YES they should! If you read part of the old testament, the TORAH, scholars argue that before a certain point, the baby is about equivalent to water, so an abortion is big whoop. In the end, a unplanned baby isn't good for ANYONE because than it's one more human that uses up the few resources that the Earth has. And likely the parents will suck at raising it, and the baby will grow up to be miserable as fuck. Therefore, it's better TO abort and for a child to be born WHEN READY.
By the way, still waiting on the answer for my question. Or you lack the intelligence to answer it?
Hello? Can you answer the question already? Time is money.
Why start the debate tho
You keep believing that. About 67% want Roe preserved-we will do it legislatively or even by Constitutional Amendment. Yours is an extreme minority position
@dmgstarfleet Doesn't matter what you say. My people will end it. Keep believing how you want, baby killer.
The 2 females who downloaded this are wusses who can't reply. Bold enough to downvote but a wuss to defend what I said.
you're very closed minded huh? This seems to be most political parties thats why im so against them each is too proud to see the others argument
And you will never win. Enjoy watching your agenda fall apart Christo-Fascist. That's what you get for selling your soul to Trump.
My Hummers-Frost-that's not very "Christian" of you? What kimd of "witness" are you giving for Christianity? You're a damned hypocrite
@dmgstarfleet Calling people out is not unchristian. You'll see that abortion will be illegal in 20 states within 18 months soon.
temporarily. And there is always the abortion pill. Quit trying to impose your religion on others! The fact that evangelicals made a pact with the devil says it all! Christianity is dying off thanks to Christo-Fascist such as yourself. The real reason in Evangelical opposition to abortion is revealed by their stance on Birth Control They should be for it because it would reduce abortion. They oppose Birth Control and abortion for the same reason-they are anti-sex. Both eliminate the "consequences" of sex so puritanical warped Christians oppose them
@dmgstarfleet Everybody is religious. You have secular religion. Anything non-Christian is secular and therefore a religious stance. You believe in something. Believing in pro-choice is a religion.
I only became a Christian 3 years ago after being atheist for 6 years.
I meant 3 months ago.
Boy that's some kind of backwards convoluted logic! No wonder you drank the kool-aide. You have deranged thinking. You prove your Chriisto-Fascism by labeling all other beliefs than Christianity-including Islam, Judiaism, Buddhism and Wicca just to name a few, You are all for religous liberty but for Christians only. Don't worry-50 years from now abortion will still be around but the Republican Party probably won't and lets hope this superstition called Christianity has died a much overdue death
Yah, and then who pays for those unwanted babies' welfare? Wonderful thinking! Cause everyone wants MORE taxes to pay for welfare for unwanted babies instead of just letting a mother take care of a stupid mistake! If you want women not to get abortion, then YOU take in all the unwanted babies for free! I don't wanna pay for it. I agree with dmgstarfleet. Christianity is one of the single stupidest religions out there.
@dmgstarfleet Abortion will be very limited less than 2 years from now. Keep supporting your evil all you want. It won't get you anywhere.
keep on praying-any ct decision will be temporary. Overturning Row will be the best thing ever for progressives-2/3s of Americans back Roe-almost all of the "pro-lifers" are Jesus Freaks (and hypocrites at that) People aren't paying attention till its overturned-then the fury will unleash. It would fuel a massive vote for progressives (Trump is already fueling one). This will give us commanding majorities in both houses-Supreme Ct will be expanded to correct for the politicization of the Court with the stolen seat and Choice will be protected by legislation at the least and possibly by Constitutional Amendment. 2/3s of the Country oppose overturning Roe. So the end of your efforts will be even stronger protection of a woman's constitutional rights. And you evangelicals sold your soul to Satan and gained nothing.
@dmgstarfleet UM, EXCUSE ME! I have talked to Satan before and she would be quite upset to have people as immoral as evangelicals on her turf! Would you like it if your neighbor dumped a bunch of hypocrites on your freshly mowed lawn? NO? Ok then! Now on the abortion thing, there's only going to end up more fighting among the right with this thing. On one hand, yes, many don't want abortion. But often, those same people do not want proper sex ed either. Therefore, TA DA! A lot more stars of 16 and pregnant! What the show doesn't show enough of is the vast WELFARE, FOOD STAMPS, and GOV'T HANDOUTS they then rely on! But WAIT! I thought the right was AGAINST that? So with this, WHAT is the solution? You can be against abortion all ya want, but then don't cry when taxes go up to pay for those unwanted babies now on welfare. Or if taxes are cut, for baby corpses everywhere since funerals and caskets likely won't be affordable.
Heh, you say that coming from Finland m8. You know nothing about what it's like living in a republican controlled state. Ya know how Finland has gun laws, decent transit, and decen health care and education? If you don't mind kissing all those good bye, then sure, you'd be fine in republican areas.
@errorgoodnameunfound This is a communistic nannystate. I think that republicans are for decent transit and healthcare. It's fine that further educations cost. In Finland there is absolutely crazy taxes and for example you can buy anything but mild alcohols only from the covernment owned alcohol store. With these tax rates we got free further studies. There's nothing to cheer about, about that. Glad that I'm moving to England. It's the place where I want to live in many ways.
Sure, you say that. But don't you enjoy riding the bus or tram to anywhere? And having a decent train to go places? That doesn't exist in any place republicans control. They love cars. They love highways and isolated suburbs and hate public transit. On healthcare I can't say as much, but so far, I've seen just about nothing put on the table. I don't think they have any plan, they just know what they DON'T want and that's it. Having to pay stupid big prices for college for a degree not even guaranteeing a job anymore sucks. Republican controlled areas suck at education unless it's literally middle of nowhere states, but even those don't seem that great. Alcohol is stupid and people are stupid, so no, it's not easy to get, however, your mom then isn't as likely to die from drunk driving is she? You are taxed to be well educated and you probably are more educated than an average American. That's somethign to treasure. Oh and England is pretty left wing vs America.
So, case in point, you seem to know jack shit about the American right yet support it anyways. TIme to start doing actual research dude. The whole "I would vote for republicans" but yet moving to England makes you seem like a HUGE hypocrite. Reminds me of those republicans that live in New England and LA whining about everything. As if they can't just move. Fact is, more left wing people never make much a peep when living in the republican areas. We know it's not the best, but it's home and we suck it up and make the best of it, cause we know we'd be shut up quick if we say the wrong thing.
You are exactly the reason I HATE when foreigners talk about American politics. They often don't know jack shit about America as you shown very clearly. I don't go around assuming shit about Finland, I actually looked info up first. You foreigners need to STAY THE FUCK out of butting into American politics. We aren't babies, we are strong as fuck and can kick your countries' ass and very hard. Don't assume how we run things because ONLY we know. AMERICANS know America best and as Russia has shown, when foreigners try to play into American politics, it corrupts and fucks up our justice system. Stay the fuck OUT of our politics.
Last statement I made by the way, is actually a very American right wing stance. Just fyi.
@errorgoodnameunfound Yes. I know that England is more left but still a big step forward from the Nordic countries. I believe in capitalism and that people should be mostly on their own and covernment should let people live their own lifes. If my parents would like to make a suicide by drinking, they could do it when ever they want. There's about 10 litres of spirits. But they won't do it because they are adults who know, what is reasonable and what's not. I agree that public transport is also important and maybe the covernment could use a bit of money to make schools cheaper but I wouldn't adapt this Finland system.
I have been following that what Republicans are going for and also Trump's tweets. They seem to be doing fine. Trump has a lot of achievements especially in economy.
I get that you don't like the finnish system as I guess it leans too far towards communism it seems, but as long as you take advantage of things like good education, healthcare, and transit, you can't complain much. About the alcohol too, you can buy it like anywhere almost anytime, with less restrictions, meaning a lot more idiots driving drunk on the road and killing people. You do realize in the city I am from, that's what happened A shithead drove drunkenly into people that got out of their car to help others and they all died cause of him. But he;s wealthy, so it took fucking forever to actually get him prosecuted even a little bit. He was in jail barely, released started drinking AGAIN, and who knows if in jail again? Maybe you know not to be stupid with drinking cause you got a decent education about it. People in republican areas do NOT often get educated about it. Relying on Twitter for shit is stupid, especially from Trump's account. Of course he's gonna say good about himsel
Ah yes, the republicans SEEM to be doing OK, so therefore, everyone in republican areas are happy happy happy dancing together singing kumbaya! *facepalm* Dude, read some actual news. BBC or something. Come on now. Let me guess, you also read the daily mail and the sun? Lolz fuckin tabloids for fucks sake. Listen mate, you aren't American, so do America a favor and don't think for a second you understand even 20% of what goes on there. You don't know and never will unless you come and move there. So shut the fuck up about saying "oh id vote republican" no, I bet you wouldn't. As a REAL American republican would say, "shut the fuck up, you damn foreign scum"
@errorgoodnameunfound www.conservapedia.com/Donald_Trump_achievementsThere is Trump's achievements. One thing that I liked too was to resign from the Paris deal. It's an absurd deal because it's way too rapid and bad for the economy. It's good to pollute less but it should be a really long time project. It's like everything should be done now while it should take about a century to be reasonable.I have my own opinions and I don't fully agree with Trump or republicans and I understand your points too.
Yeah, I get that but I bet republicans doesn't have anything against legal immigrants.
I like your conclusion, and I get that the Paris deal may have been a bit too much. Maybe west Europe just has a certain system with that stuff that may not work as well elsewhere at the moment. I'm unsure. But seriously dude, that is one of the most blatantly biased source you could give me. If you were to convince me to buy an iphone, would you send me to iphoneORdeath. com for reviews or ya know, an actually objective review site? Same shit. Conservapedia is not even unique and is a blatent ripoff of Wikipedia. The ACTUAL Wikipedia could sue if they wanted to over copying the name. Wikipedia ITSELF is actually not even trusted as a legit source. You were never taught in classes that you'd fail a paper if you use wikipedia as a source? And if that's the case with Wikipedia, then of course that conservapedia crap is going to be way worse. Hell, I can go in and edit the article you showed me to read in BIG letters "GAG user PrettyRegular sucks balls." So is it even worth going there?
If I had a shitty phone, you wouldn't buy a Chinese copycat version of that phone would you? Well, the shitty phone is wikipedia and the chinease copycat version is conservapedia. Again, you are a foreigner dude. You gotta work harder than that if you want to talk American politics and not seem like a complete fool. I'm glad at least you don't fully agree with them, but I have a feeling if you actually LIVED in a republican state, you'd be RUSHING to vote democrat. So I'd suggest doing what I do and be independent of left or right as they are just labels.
@errorgoodnameunfound Well it was really comprehensive source and probably most comprehensive around. Facts should be right. Maybe someone conservative had more motivation to write about Trump than someone, who doesn't like him too much.
It's not a good source at all. Just a bunch of random opinions. Like I said, I could go on there and publish a bunch of BS about you. Would that make it true? I could literally do it. Like right now. Have a page just for you and everything. I could make an article about how much of a liberal you are, that you are a fake conservative trying to disrupt the American way and publish all sorts of other BS too. Is it suddenly true just because it's on that site? And have you SEEN the amount of articles that are against Trump? ALL of them accredited, well sourced, fact checked, etc! www.snopes.com/.../www.washingtonpost.com/.../...4e35920a3_story.htmlwww.forbes.com/.../100-days-4-worst-and-1-good-thing-trump-has-done-for-t
You have absolutely no evidence of your last statement. None. I could also say you aren't even a real account, but a fake one, most fake one in the world. Super fake. Probably just a bot account. It's true now because I say so?
Same here, except i wasn't old enough to vote until 2008
Sounds good to me.
Just like every other kinda successful and above social website. Facebook, Twitter, Youtube, Google, what'd you expect? Republicans can theoretically make some kind of social thing out there that can get popular so why don't they? But yah, I do agree if there is too far of a movement to the left, Trump can win again. We need to keep it fuckin center. Get ideas from both side and fuckin work with each other instead of paranoia like in the cold war. I don't wanna hear it's THAT side's fault or some shit, no, both sides suck on many aspects and it's up to them to fix it, nobody else. I do sense that America may become libertarian very soon. It'd make sense. Then once we go through a couple purges and a few billion die, maybe a gov't will be rebuilt right this time.
a classical liberal i hope