Is Joe Biden declaring war on half of America?

[monorprise]

In an official Taxpayer funded Government policy speech Joe Biden seems to have declared war on half the country, saying we are a threat to Democracy.

Never mind you can't have democracy without different points of view, and these united States are suppose to be a Federal Constitutional Republic, never a democracy.

Still as this is a official tax payer funded policy speech it does sound very much like the raid on leader of his politician opposition and former president was just the begging of his administrations intentions to weaponize his goverment against his political enemies.

[MCheetah]

Yes and no. Joe Biden himself, is not declaring war on half of America. HIS MASTERS however, are declaring war on half of America. But this is nothing new; AOC and Nancy Pelosi said the same thing after Biden "won" the election and wanted McCarthyism style lists of all Republicans after that. Anyone remember that? How TF is government officials threatening, bullying, and harassing civilians NOT illegal?

Also, anyone remember Mr. Girl-sniffer, pants-sh*tter telling niggas "you ain't black unless you vote for me? I own you, boy! This is my plantation!" Yeah, this old senile bag of dicks actually said that black people need to obey him, in 2020. And yet some Democrats will remember Trump's "grab them by the..." line over Biden telling black people to just shut up and obey the slave master. I don't even care about race issues or this forced racism crap going on, but come on... Who TF says that unless they know they don't need to actually worry about votes or winning legally?

And no, don't give me any dumbass "they said MAGA Republicans" BS. 72+ million people voted for Trump, and many of them weren't even Republicans. That's just so they can say they aren't "technically" attacking half of the voting country. But anyone with a brain knows they see anyone not on their side as the enemy. They didn't have to use the word "Republican" or even "right-leaning" but they still intentionally chose to use those words anyway. Remember when "Alt-right" was their boogeyman term back in 2016/2017 the left used to smear everyone as? I 'memba. I'm not even Republican, but I can clearly see who the worst of two bad sides are, and it ain't the mostly powerless political right.

Besides, I ALWAYS suspected Biden was a sacrificial lamb for the DNC anyway. A disposable buffoon to serve his purpose as "the old white man" before being betrayed and discarded by his own party for Kamala Harris, who makes a better puppet anyway. They, just like most of us, probably assumed Biden wouldn't live this long anyway. But after 2022, I'm sure they'll give Biden "a helping hand" to step aside and/or die, so Kamala can become president and they can ride that racist and sexist "first female president" train into a second term.

[goaded]

The small minority who want to destroy American democracy in order to hold absolute power would like you to believe that, but Biden is simply trying to do what he promised to do and unite the country against the people trying to destroy it.

Republicans do not make up half the nation. MAGA Republicans don't make up all the Republican party.

"I know this nation. I know you, the American people. I know your courage, I know your hearts, and I know our history. This is a nation that honors our Constitution. We do not reject it. This is a nation that believes in the rule of law. We do not repudiate it. This is a nation that respects free and fair elections. We honor the will of the people. We do not deny it. And this is a nation that rejects violence as a political tool. We do not encourage violence. We are still an America that believes in honesty and decency and respect for others. Patriotism, liberty, justice for all, hope, possibilities — we are still at our core a democracy.

And yet, history tells us that blind loyalty to a single leader and a willingness to engage in political violence is fatal to democracy.

For a long time, we’ve told ourselves that American democracy is guaranteed, but it’s not. We have to defend it, protect it, stand up for it, each and every one of us. That’s why tonight, I’m asking our nation to come together, unite behind the single purpose of defending our democracy regardless of your ideology.

We’re all called by duty and conscience to confront extremists who put their own pursuit of power above all else. Democrats, independents, mainstream Republicans, we must be stronger, more determined and more committed to saving American democracy. And MAGA Republicans are destroying American democracy."

[Mantinziza]

the term democracy is equivalent to the word terrorist, fling it around enough and it loses its meaning.
I could sit here and call something a frog for 5 years, but as time goes on it loses its meaning and no one cares anymore.

[goaded]

@Mantinziza Do you have a point? Democracy (and republic) are both meaningful words and mean the power to choose the government rests with the voters. "We the people", as someone once wrote.

"Democracy cannot survive on one side believes there are only two outcomes to an election: Either they win or they were cheated. And that’s where the MAGA Republicans are today."

[monorprise]

@goadedd Who ever wrote that speech for Joe Biden doesn't even know know the democratic party.
A party that supports nation wide rioting, looting, and burning in 2020 doesn't believe in any kind of rule of law.
A party who's non-condemned members support assault and Intimidation tactics against Conservative leaders is in no way interested in "respect, decency" or even democracy.

A party that support a Federal goverment that claims total power over everything from the operation of your toilet and design of your house to whether or not you an innocent person are free to even to choose what potentially harmful substances you put into your own body, has not even read the 11 page Federal Constitution. A FEDERAL constitution that says nothing of the sort domestically and was in fact sold as only creating a Government of "Few and defined powers" of a forign nature.

The "Federal" Government today is as closely related to the written and consented to Federal Constitution as you are bacteria. They don't even pretend that the written text means anything at all.

[goaded]

And that means you're entitled to install your own government in their place, does it? One that will take you back to the 18th century. Not that any of it is true or relevant.

[Agagagagaga]

@monorprise You’re not talking to an American. His opinion is worthless and should be given as much heed as the stink that comes off shit. One takes notice of it and simply walks away rather than examine the droppings.

[goaded]

@Agagagagaga Truth hurts, doesn't it?

[Agagagagaga]

What truth? You mistake me for someone who actually reads the bullshit you write. I just like to call you names and out you for that creepy little Swedish cock goblin you are. 🤷‍♂️

[goaded]

@Agagagagaga There you go, you see. You can't even be bothered to read what I write, but you know, really KNOW, it must be wrong, because...

[monorprise]

@goaded I don't think you understand at all, we don't wish to govern anything we simply wish to be left alone to govern ourselfs and vote with our feet. This is what American Conservative believes are historically based upon, what you in Europe call Liberal or libertarian.

@agagagagaga A good point, this certainly helps explain his strange interpretations of America, and what our conservatives actually want.

[goaded]

@monorprise I understand that you might like that, but like it or not, you live in a society.

If you wanted to have slaves, should you be allowed to do that? How about if you wanted to pollute a river that other people use for their drinking water, should you be allowed to do that?

How about if someone wanted to keep you as a slave, should they be allowed to do that? Should corporations be allowed to pollute your drinking water?

[monorprise]

@goaded We only agreed to a limited Federal Constitutional Republic which left those kind of laws to States to decide. Once again your German nature is probably keeping you from grasping the significance of that concept.
American States are not like German states they are as large or larger than European countries and even more geographically diverse.

To have soo much land and very different circumstances in which any economy and people must live requires a high level of autonomy to optimize said rules for local prosperity.

You don't understand the reasons why the people of the south or west might resent or hate the politics of the people of New England when they have the Federal Government impose a destructive environmental or land management policy upon them that effectively cripples their economy and industry. Thou it may make some limited sense in the distant urban areas of New England.

This is why we were suppose to have federalism, anther concept the people of the tiny New England states, have always worked to challenge or abolish due to the ungovernable small size of their states.

It is a lot more difficult for Rode Island to deal with Massachusetts's caused environmental problems right next door to all their population then for Nebraska to deal with environmental issues with South Dakota. The difference is climate, geography and sheer size and relative economic leverage.

That is why New England people favor big central goverment its easier for them to let nearby Washington handle theses constant issues then use what little leverage they have to address it.

I don't think many Europeans can understand the nature of these issues and why different regions need such different policy.

[goaded]

LOL. Who is "we"? My god, it's been over 200 years and things have changed, with the approval of the people. 18th century measures are no longer applicable.

Obviously, you don't know a thing about Germany, it's also a republic, with 16 states, with populations from just under 700,000 to over 17,000,000. That makes the smallest larger than DC (yes, I know that's not a state) and the largest nearly as populous as New York.

You didn't answer any of my questions, I notice. Should a state be allowed to make slavery legal? Should a state be allowed to pollute a river that runs through another state? Why, or why not?

[monorprise]

@goaded 'We' refers to the 50 States (Including their 330 million people), and until that Constitutional contract is abolished and replaced with a new one to which we consent, the agreement therein remains the only consent to be governed at the federal level.

I don't think you quite understand it is not sheer numbers that make the states different and self-governable but Geographic size and resources.
When our States first established themselfs as independent from the British Empire they had only around 2 million people between them. The largest being Virginia had around ~447+ thousand (Fewer than Wyoming the smallest state) while the smallest being Georgia with only around ~ 23+ thousand.

They were all self-governing because they had all the land and resources to operate and thus Govern themselfs independently. This is what makes a State, not the number of its inhabitants which is almost inconsequential.

You can have 3+ million people in a city and indeed a good deal of diversity among them (temporarily) but if they all live together dwelling upon the same local resources in constant interactions, they will not only require a common Government to resolve constant disputes over said common resources, but inevitably lose said diversity as a result of said common interactions, environment and resulting way of life.

[goaded]

It sounds to me that you just made the case for the federal government as it is at the moment.

[monorprise]

@goaded Its a case for the Government Authorized under Federal Constitution of 1787. You know the one actually designed for a continental sized country.

The Current Government in Washington D. C. claiming to be the "Federal" Government bares almost no resemblance to that goverment. The near limitless scope of its power is better suited to small relatively homogeneous City-State perhaps the size of New York City.

Ironically New Yorker are part of the reason we have a such a lawless Federal Government as their people have been consistently voting for their federal politicians to govern like they were Local populations demanding they address local problems which their own local politicians have regularly failed to address.

The only reason a more shared goverment would help is because it has fewer New Yorker voting for it policies.
The problem with New York is very much the dysfunctional political culture of the people who live there. This is actually why Texas Cities are for now soo much more successfully because the State of Texas prohibits many of the most harmful polices that the urbanizes of its major cities would otherwise adopt.

Unfortunately most mammals did not evolve to deal with an urban environment, and tend to become anti-social and destroy themselfs with population densities go too high. This makes a lot of sense if you consisted local resource depletion in the state of the wild was a major problem.

Thus why the city has always been an unstable thing thou out history.

[goaded]

Blah, blah, blah, New Yorker bad, blah. Just 14 states take less money from the federal government that they put in (New York being one of them, naturally). That means 36 take out more than they put in. You need the federal government, and the states that whinge about it most are the ones that take the most.

[Tamera952]

Huh? …. are you high? Did you watch the same speech as I did? (No really, .. did you?) Cause you might be regurgitating the way certain right-wing nut jobs & OrangeTurd sycophants we’re characterizing his speech.
Which is ABSURD.
Yea he’s a little fired up, but shit, with good reason. I mean where do ya start? So many things to be a little pissed about.
You got DärthDotard lying lying lying & more lying (kinda expected) & re-tweeting (err, I mean re-truth-socializing) Q-anon bullshit, mischaracterizing his document grift/theft, & on top of all that Biden is getting woman even more fired up for midterms in Nov. when they’re for sure gonna come out the woodwork & vote in huge numbers (which will benefit democrats, duh!) …& legislate a fix to the debacle & Pandora’s box that the supreme (rejects) court started by overturning Roe.

[sage2021]

All he was doing was brainwashing people to believe Republicans are bad for the country and to vote democrat in the November election.
He mentioned MAGA fascists or semi fascists 13 times while he was up there pontificating.
That was the meaning in a nutshell.

[goaded]

Does it bother you at all that he didn't use the word fascist once in the speech? He did say "MAGA Republicans" ten times. You can read what he actually said here:

www.nytimes.com/.../biden-speech-transcript.html

[sage2021]

@goaded America was at one time "We the people" and now you think and believe it's "We the Democrats". You really want to scream at the top of your lungs "Democrats Rule America" but you refrain from saying it here in a public forum. Democrats are messed up crazy people with craziness spewing out of their mouths. Ever listen to Kamala Harris speak in her word 🥗 salad language that only SHE understands?
So, Joey McGoo is now encouraging people to vote Democrat in November so people will have free will for abortions, also known as killing babies. Wow! Maybe he'd like to try standing there observing a real abortion. He would get to see the baby being pulled out of it's mother, dismembered, and body parts removed and to be sold for a very high price. Is that what Democrats are running on? That's it?

[goaded]

Once more: Biden didn't use the word fascist one time, let alone 13, in his speech. Fascists are the people who don't want "We the people" to be able to have their votes counted, which is why they attempted to steal the presidency by multiple unlawful means, including violence.

[MountAverage]

Nope. First of all, 74 million people is a lot, but nowhere close to "half of America". And it's even less, since not all people who voted for Trump are actual MAGA extremists. But more importantly, it's Trump and his MAGA cult that has declared war on the majority of America and they keep trying to start that war. They got close on January 6, but we were fortunate enough to narrowly avoid that. But they keep trying to dismantle our Democracy. They are fascist extremists, in the very literal sense, and we need to protect the country from them and fight back.

Biden's speech was spot on. #DarkBrandon

[monorprise]

Half of American population doesn't vote either because they can't or don't want to.
Also if you look at a electoral map them 74 million people represent far more than half the governable portions of America.

[MountAverage]

"Half of American population doesn't vote either because they can't or don't want to."
- Okay, and? Your point being what exactly?

"Also if you look at a electoral map them 74 million people represent far more than half the governable portions of America."
- How is that relevant here? You were talking about "half of America". Stop moving the goalposts.

[monorprise]

@MountAverage
1: You can't assume the support of people who don't think about the issue enough to even think it relevant to vote. So yes 74 million that actually did vote are roughly half the voter base.

2: If they govern nearly all the country that matters a great deal, the real question is why do you think the people who represent and govern only a few tiny areas can matter so much.

[MountAverage]

1. Again moving the goal posts. You said "half of AMERICA", not "half of the voter base". Stop being so disinhenuous and stick to what you said. Also, as I already said, not all 74 million people who voted for Trump are memebers of the extremist Trump cult. So it's even less.

2. I don't understand what you're saying here. Very incoherent. Biden was talking about a very specific subset of people: the MAGA cult extremists. They are fascists, they want to dismantle our democracy. And you're here trying to find excuses for them. You're probably one of them, you disgusting fascist pig.

You keep moving the goal posts of your arguments, you're not an honest person. So fuck off now.

[BeMuse]

Where beat Hitler before, and we'll beat Pedo Hitler again...

[BeMuse]

*We...

[BeMuse]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UpuGRO72GbA

[BeMuse]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eCkyWBPaTC8

[BeMuse]

[BeMuse]

[BeMuse]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OqPl4QrczTk

[BeMuse]

@Porter92 Get use to losing commie.

[BeMuse]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VCbW7Gkgu2U

[monorprise]

@Porter92 If your political base relies so the most naive and gullible segment of the population, having not been around long enough to see more than a few electrons.
Your probably not selling a good product just like the indoctrination camps... I mean "publicly funded universities" taking advantage of the same people's ignorance of the world.

[USLegionary]

80,000 new armed IRS agents sounds like an army meant to attack dissenters and of course tax the working and middle classes for bad government policies

[monorprise]

Its rather hard to see so many only being used as Joe Biden claims to only "Tax the rich" making over 400k. It only takes an IRS agent between 3 months to a year to audit a family in an audit that goes back 7 years. That means 87,000 new IRS agents in addition to the existing 78,661 would be able to Have effectively 1,159,627 to 4,638,508 family's taxes under audit at any given year, or roughly equal to the number of returns filed in the 28% tax bracket which starts at 151,900 thousand for families or 91 for individuals.

[USLegionary]

They mean to squeeze the middle and working classes, there's no doubt. It's why they are going to carry guns. The government wants a cut of everything you do with your money and if we go cashless then every money transfer even giving your kid $20 will be taxed.

[jshm2]

Don't be a daft dickhead.

You cannot declare war on your own people. You can only admonish them, or persecute them.

There are crimes and cases against opposition leaders and supporters that are going through courts. So of course he is going to speak up about them.

You weren't this much of a bitch when it was Jews, Chinese and Muslims that were getting this treatment from Trump and others.

Wind your neck in.

[monorprise]

If you can't restrain yourself from calling people volger names you can't expect us to take whatever you say seriously.

Yes you can declare and wage war upon your own people and their states. Its called Treason in the Federal Constitution. Hence the use of the plural rather than singular them.

[exitseven]

Biden's speech was so toxic that none of the network news outlets would carry it. In reality he really did not know what he was talking about. When he was done he turned and shook hands with another imaginary friend. His wife was close by and she went right over to him and shook hands and kissed him and led him by the hand so he would not get lost. It is really elder abuse.

[goaded]

Amazing the stories your brain will make up to protect you from reality.

[exitseven]

@goaded did you watch it? i just saw clips but at the end he clearly turned around looking for the imaginary friend that he wanted to shale hands with before. His wife was close by and she swooped in and shook his hand and kissed him and led him by the hand so he wouldn;t get lost.

[goaded]

Crap. He was acknowledging people standing to either side of him out of shot. Maybe you should watch the whole speech, or read the transcript.

[exitseven]

@goaded I know what I saw. His wife was clearly covering for him. The trarnscripts do not mean anything because he often goes off script.

[goaded]

You obviously see what you want to see. And the transcripts are what was said, not the original script. www.nytimes.com/.../biden-speech-transcript.html

[exitseven]

@goaded yes and the networks got the transcripts beforehand. They all refused to air it

[goaded]

Utterly ludicrous. "The following is a transcript of his remarks, as recorded by The New York Times." You're not going to address the words of the speech, but pretend it was something it wasn't. Without even hearing or reading it.

[Xewleer]

It's the "Dark Brandon" Meme gone too far. When they realized that every redblooded son of America upped their ammo order, they backed down.

Think of it like they're playing a role in a game. Biden has to prance like a villain to get the other side to do something. But they don't actually want it, because it's like punching someone over monopoly. It changes the game into something that doesn't have the same rules, if any.

[front2back]

Nah, they are doing this as saber rattling. If they really thought the other side was a threat we would see people who are strong R's get locked out of their bank accounts and such.
All it really shows is they have run out of options to run on in 2022 so they are resorting to fear. VOTE FOR US OR DEMOCRACY WILL DISAPPEAR OVERNIGHT!

[Sixgunsound]

@Porter92 (possibly artificial) Polls showed Hillary victory in 2016 too, how did that work out🤣

[front2back]

No rights of women were taken away.

[monorprise]

@front2back A speech like this is designed to set the stage and justification for further actions by dehumanizing and your enemy.

Democrats may come after our bank accounts next, they are already using the state to spy on our leaders, go after our donner lists and censoring our speech and ability to campaign.

They have already very much rigged the game

[RolandCuthbert]

Trumpturds are not half of America. No matter what they think. Bill Barr ain't on your side. Neither is Liz Cheney, Adam Kinzinger, George Will, David Jolly, Steve Schmidt, Mitt Romney, etc.

You can be Republican and realize that violence and overthrowing the democratic process is a nightmare from which this nation will never recover.

[FunkyMonkee]

Essentially, yes!! I think a bunch of Trump supporters should go to a biden rally or speech and start yelling, "SEIG HEIL!!" over and over and but, every time they throw up their hand in the nazi salute, just throw up the middle finger at joe!!

[Bratsondanielle]

He read something that someone had written. That's all he did. He doesn't know what he said

[Anonymous]

If you're complaining about a speech condemning fascism, it might be time for a long look in the mirror.

[monorprise]

The mirror inverts your image not your politics. Fascism was created as a form of socialist collectivism.

The editor of the Italian socialist party created it, because he didn't like how the Russian communist did thing. His fascist party only really differed from the communist in the somewhat more academic issue of nationalism.

They were socialist thou and thou and even called themselfs such in their name hence why NAZI stood for the German National Socialist Worker's Party.

Both strongly opposed their polar opposition ideology of small goverment conservationism as we call it in America, or what is in Europe called traditional Liberalism/libertarian. For the rather oblivious reason such a goverment far too small too control much less suppress a large population against it's will.

it's rather difficult to get an armed 20% of your population to walk into work or death camps against their will, when you only have 1-5% ready to follow your orders.

[Agagagagaga]

He literally called half the country fascists. And you expect people to just nod their heads and shut up about it?

I think you’re a complete chickenshit by the way. You’re always the same 30-35 year old pinko Lefty chiming in on post after post about how much you hate Trump, or Christians, or Republicans, or blah blah fucking blah.

[RosieMelts]

I didn’t even read this whole thing.

ALL I WANNA KNOW IS:

what’s does BARAK OBAMA THINK OF ALL OF THIS? 😳🤨🧐

[888theGreat]

The demented satan did. Using military , FBI, and IRS to destroy anyone that voted for Trump, Christian, Conservative, or owns a gun.

[KostasKouvalis]

THEY'RE the threat to freedom and Democracy. I feel a political civil war is inevitable. Hey soldiers, you wanna defend our freedom? Fight the Democrats at home, not some Muslims in other countries.

[monorprise]

There are a great many things that Conservatives can do at the state level via nullification and non-cooperation agreements against the Federal Government that can effectively cripple the Federal Government's domestic agenda and allow more time for the left to keep shooting themselfs in the foot, while we collect their remaining industry and wealth.

Still with the raid on the opposition leader and former president's house and this speech promising further Government oppressive acts against political opposition.
Conservatives may feel they are forced to act to defend their rights sooner than ideal. If they do so a modern conflict would most likely be a real civil war fought in a 4th generation way over many decades like the ones Washington just lost in Iraq and Afghanistan.

It would not be a war between the States who would mostly all fall to the elite federal military right off the bat if they ever raised any token resistances in the first place.

[southernqueen617]

not so sure he even knows what he is doing lol

[normalice]

He definitely didn't do that, though. He spoke out against fascism and if you came to your own defense then you're a facist. The US has been at war with facists for like a centrury.

[monorprise]

How do you define "fascism"?

You can't be referring to the general definition of the socialist ideology as defined by Former socialist party editor Muslim in 1919, and carry forth by Hilarity and his German National Socialist Worker's party.

Both of which were destroyed in the 2nd world war, with their closest relativist of communism which really only differs somewhat more academic issue of nationalism its only surviving ideological relative.

Granted this speech has a lot in common with that ideology particularly he man giving it who has a long history of weaponizing the state against his political enemies, and is effectively calling for the state to do precisely that in this official white house speech.

[888theGreat]

Conservatives are not facists , Democrats are. They are the ones forcing social causes down people's throats. They are the ones fixing elections. They are the ones taking rights away from people. They are the ones taking over corporations. They are the ones trying to abolish the Constitution. They are the ones trying to make gun ownership illegal.

[LaFerrari]

Imagine backing a hitler speech made by joe biden...

[normalice]

When Trump called Democrats fascists in February of 2020, with marines in the backdrop, did you think he was declaring war on anyone at all? No. Because everyone knew it was bullshit.

But now that Biden is doing something similar you take it as declaring war on you, which suggests you are well aware it is not bullshit. And you're trying to drag "half of america" to your side because you know what an extreme minority you fascists are.

[monorprise]

@normalice Look at the democratic party platform and you will find much shared in common with the original European National socialist (AKA fascist).

The fact that they have since adopted zero tolerance for free speech, dehumanized entire classes of people, and even created their own army of brown-shirts to assault and bully their enemies, in addiction to a secrete police to spy on and persecute them officially makes it more and more difficult to tell the difference in practice.

But then again you have no knowledge of history or who theses people were and why, and thus no perspective on what made them what they were.

Lets me define "fascist" for you, its a historic term for a historic ideology of big goverment European National Socialist. The Government Constitutional conservatives or MAGA people want does not have the practical ability to implement any 'fascist' policy.

This is why the national socialist hate it what they in Europe called "liberal/libertarian" as much as their socialist brothers the communist. It is also why we are the polar opposite end of the political spectrum, we court total Anarchy not Government.

[normalice]

I read it. It says nothing even a little bit like fascism. Whoever told you that must have thought you were retarded and you should be mad at them.

[Sixgunsound]

[Likes2drive]

I think he forgot, We the People, as in the constitution means us not the government, so we will be voting out useless politicians in the next election

[Dargil]

Biden is deeply demented and doing what Susan rice tells him to do.

[RiseofArtemis]

This looks like the start of his dictator arc where he goes full on insane.