The cognitive dissonance required to hold those views simultaneously is discussed at length in Orwell’s work.
Because they believe guns should only be in the hands of law enforcement and military. They don't want fellow countrymen having access to them because of shooting incidents and gun violence and guns, specifically the "AR15" is a weapon of war in their eyes. Despite the fact that if they really did a deep dive about the weapon design against its military counterpart they would quickly figure out there is a difference between the two. They are driven by stories told about them, fear from media and hollywood giving then an idea that the profile of the gun is dangerous because of what they see, not what they personally know or experienced.
They see foreign countries like New Zealand, Australia and Europe with gun bans and use those statistics to say that no guns will mean no gun violence or mass shootings. That is the gold standard to them. They don't care about the 2nd amendment and see it as unnecessary because we are not under a tyrannical government. They care about preservation of life and want to be seen as progressive and accepting to utopian ideas (which is foolish to begin with if we get real about this).
Did anyone tell them about Howard Springs?
Lol, no guns means No violence. Switzerland has the highest amount of people per guns and nothing happens there.
We have acces to guns no problem, just get a hunting license or a sports Shooter license and you can own guns.
The issue are clearly the people who are as stupid as a rock. We in Europe look at you like you live in a 3rd word while thinking you are on top of the Line on the 1st word.
Sweden has a huge issue with gun violence and look who's causing it, the imigrants.
@RiseofArtemis jealous much🤣
They’re the same people who complain about police brutality but think that only cops should have guns.
Normally I would say that mentally I’ll idiots like that can safely be ignored, the problem is there are just so flipping many of them.
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Don't ask such difficult questions of theses 'educated' folk.
Theses are the same people who want to entrust soo much power over everything with little check in a goverment run half the time by leaders they tell us are evil and incompetent.
You have to learn to innately trust 'authority' and think yourself but irresponsible children under it whose opinions matter not to believe this.
They as such either really are such children who never grew up or they are lying about what they think of our leaders.
Unfortunately, it is literally my job to ask the difficult questions.
True. Plus, they supposedly don't like guns and violence, but they love handing boatloads of weapons to "revolutionaries" in other countries, and also to brutal, puppet dictatorships.
The bottom line is, those behind the "gun control" movement don't care about human life. Quite the opposite. Their only goal is to disarm citizens and make them helpless against globalist elite-controlled "revolutionaries", gangs, governments, and coup-plotting global institutions.
And those average people who buy into the gun control narrative haven't given serious thought to the issue. They believe what they are told to believe, no matter how nonsensical. Emotionalism is a great propaganda tool.
Horn control: a fairy tale. Once upon a time, a sheep was killed by a wolf using its teeth. The sheep called a meeting, at which point it was determined that teeth were dangerous, so the sheep handed them in. A week went by, and the wolf killed again, but was injured during the attack by a ram’s horns. The sheep called another meeting, during which it was determined that horns are also dangerous, so the rams were compelled by council decree to turn them in. The instant the last horn was turned in, the entire defenseless flock was slaughtered by a pack of wolves, whom could not believe their luck that the idiot sheep turned in their only means of self defense.
Doesn’t matter how you put it, they won’t understand… The only reason the communists would want to restrict the AR-15 from civilians, is because that is the specific weapon platform they have chosen to use against civilians. They don’t target any other platform… They don’t want a resistance to be able to field an army that can use their own weapon platform against them. A well trained populous that is intimately familiar with your weapon system, has trained with it, knows how to move with it, can drive tacks with it, and knows how to repair it can easily salvage supplies in the field that they need to fight you and rapidly advance. They want Americans on different weapons of various caliber that can have their supply chain cut, while production stays at max for the government’s weapon platform. When every soldier on the battlefield is a loot pack that can be salvaged from after an ambush they lose their advantage.
I’d say their advantage is pretty slim to begin with, numerically speaking. There are under 1 million government gunslingers, and they have to eat and sleep just like the rest of us. Sure there are some diehards who are willing to sacrifice themselves for the cause of people who care nothing about them, but enough will defect with equipment that when the whole house of cards comes down it isn’t going to be pretty what happens to the diehards. I’m fairly certain that when people who have been abused by the government the most get hold of them, they will die. Hard.
Right they are extremely outnumbered… That’s my point. If those numbers can use their weapon platform effectively against them, then they are in real trouble. They need to cut off the supply chain to reduce the numeric advantage. 3 to 1 ratio is pretty standard for overtaking a defensive position. That means they need to significantly reduce the population of Americas that are capable of challenging them in the event that they use force against civilians. It’s not something that happens over night… It would take about a generation to reduce the number of young able bodied men that are trained to fight with said weapon and to burn through ammo reserves in the civilian population after repeated supply chain problems that restrict ammunition to the public.
So you basically mean what they’re currently doing.
There was a cover of time magazine in the 1950s where a local police officer was showing a kid how to operate a bolt action rifle in a classroom
Look, kiddo,
Any time you ever think you need an AR15 in life to live it, you just done more fucked up than you can handle.
Not even an American soldier in active duty will use anything close to that firepower more than once or twice in their whole career. Most make do with a lot less and prefer to be better trained.
An AR15 like an Uzi is basically a "bullet grenade". One that you're putting everyone in the vicinities ass on the line, as most who carry both are either criminals or poorly trained.
Tell me you’ve never talked to a soldier and don’t know what an AR-15 is outside of official propaganda channels without overtly stating it😁
I think the main reason is ar-15’s against drones and jets is ludicrous. Why do people believe that they could fight an actual war against the most well funded military in the world just because they have ar-15’s? I don’t get it. I don’t support the insane spending on military, but I’m saying that I see the people saying that trump is a fascist also seeing the absurdity of having ar-15’s as a pillow to hug when thinking of standing up to a nuclear equipped, jet flying, insanely funded military complex.
Cognitive dissonance doesn’t occur in people who are being disingenuous.
i suspect the government is not worried about being overthrown by people with AR-15s. They are much more worried about people being able to defend themselves against government proxies like Antifa.
Antifa is just like the weather underground in that even if they did manage to burn it all down they have NO IDEA how to run a government. They are no threat to their organizers and handlers.
How do you think an AR will do to a drone? So drones target electric substations and wait. People will starve and get help from the interstate highway that turn into airplane runways for supplies and military personnel. Government dosen't even need to shot one person.
Tell me you know nothing about shooting sports without overtly stating you know nothing about shooting sports😆
Whoa. People starved before electricity? Like plants wouldn’t grow and hunting was impossible?
Goddamn that sounds stupid.
You really don’t think people could feed themselves before electricity, do you?
Wow. 🤦♂️
@agagagagaga it’s ok, he will be one of the first into the cages at the FEMA camps. Let him go.
You are the guys who what to overthrow the government with AR 15, how do you do that?
A. You saw in Texas how well people are without power for days let alone a whole campaign.
B. You are fighting costal elites that control all the harbors. I mentioned the interstate system. The whole reason the feds pay for it is defensive military measure. Making the USA impossible to invade that also means civil war
C trade. The white house will embargo the disobedient faction from the world. The whole world will follow suit. The navy will blow up any ship outside of costal elites purview and air force anything in the new no fly zone.
But you have ar 15. This is why you guys are LARPers.
There's no cognitive dissonance here. The power is in the white house that's why January 6th happened for don to get reinstated. Funny thing was minimum guns was used.
If the insurgencies went gun blazing into the capital building with don in tow it would have been a blood bath with real military over night.
Those ar 15 would've been a total wipe liability (gunned down) for the January 6th insurrection. Same logic with any other movement.
Are you planning on answering the original question or not? If not, everybody stop engaging.
I've answered this how many different ways?
Your weapons are dog shit. Your logistics are dog shit. You people are LARPers playing in a pretend world void of reality.
Imagine every trumpist/antifa on January 6th with ar 15 inside the capital building guns ablaze. They would be gun down over night. That's the closest we had to an uprising of a tyrannical dictatorship and they would still lose.
He’s not going to pick between either Trump was not a fascist dictator or there is validity to the second amendment right to keep and bear arms against government tyranny. Everyone stop engaging. He’s likely to make some childish comments or personal attacks, let him rant, if it violated terms of service I’ll take it down.
Don was a wannabe fascist dictatorship and the second amendment participation from his followers would have been a liability destroying his movement.
Same can be said with any other movement. Even for one I'm personally for because you need to vote people in the white house to decide global influence.
This is why you are LARPers thinking guns have any political power in comparison to global powers the US white house.
Military hardware and weaponry outclasses AR-15’s and the wanna be John Wicks. And where is the statistic about AR-15’s being the most popular but least likely to be used criminally? That makes no sense whatsoever. If a weapon is so common, it is obviously going to be a more common occurance that it is used in crime.
He's a *wannabe* fascist dictator - there's a big difference - and guns were not what stopped him. In fact, the wackos with the guns were overwhelmingly on his side. If you're suggesting that everyone on all sides should have guns, and be prepared to use them to stop someone they consider a tyrant, you're just asking for a literal civil war.
Dude, you and your thousand guns will be fine. . . without adding an AR-15. You have more than enough to protect yourself from the guberment.
Please stop making ASSumptions about me or harassing my questions.
Haha! You are being harassed? Okay Jodie Foster. . .
Must we do this again? Continue building a case against yourself by all means.
Dude, you can do whatever you want.
I am just having a ball.
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If you think an ar15 will let you defend yourself against the government, you don't understand how tanks work.
Tell that to all the Russian tank wreckage in Ukraine right now🤣
If the government was indeed tyrannical, an AR-15 ain't going to do shit to help.
I realize that big words like strategic or deterrent can be a challenge sometimes, but the idea is that it is more difficult to abuse and terrorize an armed population that has finally reached its limit than it is to round up and slaughter a bunch of unarmed sheep.
I guess you’ve never heard of a guerilla insurgency. 🙄
@Sixgunsound I never said he was, that's you making assumptions. There's a big word for you to add to your lexicon.
If you think for a minute you'll be organising any kind of meaningful resistance against the military you're out of your mind. It's the most powerful military force in the world, unless you're fighting them with your rag tag band of "militia", then the odds are in your favour eh? Hilarious.
Stay in your overcrowded unsanitary utterly dependent big city while the side which hasn’t been trashing the military for decades and provides almost all of its volunteer members accepts the support of the military against your leftards in a civil war. That’s how it has gone for centuries, and there is no reason to believe that change is coming now.
If we go against the government head to head owning an AR-15 will be insignificant and the least of your problems. Pea shooters are nothing compared to drones, tanks, artillery, aircraft, etc.
Then what good did giving them to the Sandinistas or Chechens or Afghans ( twice) do?
We gave them a lot more than just rifles.
Because they are the tyrannical government and if the people have guns they can be thrown down by them.
Yeah those stunned libtards say we need F15s and nukes. Man where am I supposed to park an Eagle ?
I’m not sure how an ar15 is going to help against like a fully outfitted and trained squad of government goons who will have tank and air support
lol, lmao, ask Afghanistan.
@Sargentcaptain The Taliban were battle-hardened fighters at home in some of the toughest terrain in the world. You guys are chubby streamers with a Hitler fetish.
@Pot8o Like, my pasty soft ass gets an Ar15, that’s pretty much just guaranteeing that someone’s going to get it from me eventually, or I’m just not going to be able to shoot someone. Plus, a government shooting unarmed citizens is more significant as a spotlight than a handfull of militias getting cut down by an attack helicopter
Plus if an armed citizenry can thwart a tyrannical government, who's to say it can't thwart a democratically elected one?
What the Right is building is a failed state. You can already see the consequences of the arms race between so-called "law-abiding citizens", criminals, and the police. We saw what happened in Iraq when thousands of armed policemen and soldiers were fired by the American occupiers. Thousands of angry, unemployed men with guns. Pandemonium.
I doubt America can be held together. The combination of social media, commercialized politics, and guns everywhere. There is too much incentive to be a dick.
Them being battle hardened and being in some of the toughest terrain is utterly meaningless.
> liking freedom is a Hitler fetish
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> Plus if an armed citizenry can thwart a tyrannical government, who's to say it can't thwart a democratically elected one?
lol, so argument went from 'puny shooty sticks, what are you gonna do against my fucking Apache helicopter' to 'they're surly gonna overthrow democracy'. If you wanna die on a hill of stupidity, just pick a single hill. The rest of the paragraph is also just incoherent babbling. Guns, and I mean proper, automatic guns were legal for decades, where were insurrections then?
@Sargentcaptain Isn’t it interesting how it’s not only legal but encouraged to the point where the government is gifting billions of dollars worth of guns to people we’ve been calling terrorists for the last two decades, but Americans can’t have military style guns? Whose side is this traitorous regime on?
@Pot8o well there you have it folks, battle lines have been drawn: the opposing sides are chubby loafers with a Hitler fetish versus the skinny shitty trash barrel Spartans wearing their sisters pants and make up🤣
Although I am somewhat curious how a side embracing a faction called antifa could possibly accuse anybody of having a Hitler fetish when the Nazis literally created antifa. 30 seconds on Google will show you a wealth of images references posters etc. about the Nazi organization which use almost the same brands and logos. Make it make sense?
@Pot8o They are cousin-fuckers who herd goats and keep little boys as sex slaves. Maybe that’s the pinnacle of civilization in whatever shithole you call home. 🤷♂️
@Agagagagaga I remember talking to a buddy of mine in Army artillery about how they had to guard the Poppy fields from other tribes attacks by pointing their artillery outward from the fields. They lost US service members protecting opium fields that likely produced narcotics that would later kill Americans. They also had to provide armed escorts for the child sex slaves for the Afghan leaders “little boy parties”, sometimes even standing outside the tents as armed security during the rapes, doubling up ear protection to drown out the screams. Occasionally someone complained; a few dishonorable discharges for refusal to obey orders in a combat zone sorted that out.
Most Americans get a very, very sanitized public relations mainstream media “put a shiny bow” spin on war. I was in Iraq, not Afghanistan, but had buddies who deployed there. Our reasons for being some place are always bullshit and we all knew it, which is why the only people journalists ever interview are brand new fresh-faced good looking recruits... or a Public Relations officer or general, which is basically the same thing. It’s all one big spin.
That’s what annoys me so much about Ukraine and America’s funding of the war. I just see this endless churning of pro-war propaganda being pumped out daily for something that we have absolutely nothing to do with.
@Agagagagaga The entire reason the decision makers in America care about Ukraine is because it’s where they launder their money. It is also where they conduct a lot of research that is illegal in more developed nations. When Obama unilaterally decided on regime change in 2014, it Greenlet every American politician who needed a safe place to store launder or grow money power influence and a retirement nest egg to do so there. Nothing whatsoever happening to or in that country is of any interest to almost any American citizen. The only American citizens it is of interest to are the ones who are bound by the short hairs of all the evidence that Ukraine has to threaten them with or all of the property and assets it can threaten decision makers with. The only reason we are in such an unpopular conflict is because our leaders got caught with their pants down.
And I do mean both parties. I think most Americans are done with the two party uniparty system and that explains a lot about how the third party that splintered from one of the existing major parties but actually succeeded where the last group who splintered from that party did not has been so successful.
The way the Afghanistan withdrawal went down was absolutely shameful. I saw a video where the Taliban were using an Army Blackhawk to execute some guy. They flew him up, put a noose around his neck, and kicked him out of the side to dangle in the air over Kabul.
They said it wouldn’t be like the Fall of Saigon and it wasn’t. But in a lot of ways it was much, much worse. And the fucked up thing was that there had been no Americans KIA there for like a year or something.
Afghanistan will never be “settled” or “civilized.” It’s a wild crazy ass land and always has been for centuries. The best solution would have been to just retain control of Bagram and Kandahar and leave a garrison force there. Now the Taliban have their own nation-state, which means that other nations will be doing business with them and supporting them, because God knows a bunch of jihadist goat-herders know fuck all about running a water treatment plant or maintaining a semblance of an electrical grid.
@Agagagagaga like China buying the oil the west won’t and their control of the highest concentration of the most pure lithium on earth, an absolute must for electric car batteries?
Love how you clowns were disillusioned by wars started by Republicans, but still find a way to blame Democrats. The way you guys fry your brains with a diet of conservative media is so predictable.
Comparing Ukraine to those misadventures is ignorant and immoral. Ukraine is a democracy being attacked by an evil dictator and his cronies.
@Pot8o I’m not disillusioned by any wars. What are you talking about 🤣
I’d go back to war tomorrow. I miss that shit 😂
Trump didn't make it to dictator, and your AR 15 is a popgun compared to the military hardware the government has by spending your money on Socialism for defense contractors.
Good thing militaries historically side with the right in civil conflicts then, huh😎
They'll never be able to take the weapons from the people all they can do is Bitch about it.
Nobody accused them of being well reasoned
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