What is the point of Masculinity and Feminity?

[OddBeMe]

They define genders

Theyre traditional values that are important

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Everyone (Snap Snap). Lets start over. Just keep it about masculine traits and feminine traits. Not gender vs trans as thats a separate issue.

[knallpilz]

I don't think there's actually a point. Members of either one or the other sex often showing behavorial patterns matching the expectations associated with their sex is not in the least exclusive to humans. You can see it all over the place, because apparently it helps with survival. More often than not. I think.
At the very least: If it was a bad idea, or it didn't work, it would have died out and wouldn't exist anymore.

Opposites attract and compliment eath other. It's teamwork. It's diversity. Although I fail to see what fashion choices have to do with masculinity and femininity. Apart from "very little". (Unless you think what people wear is a substantial part of existence.)

So, if there's a point, the point is, or was, survival. Or efficiency. But evolution generally doesn't have points, it just is.

[NewsReader]

It's about biology and how it's used to create the best connection to reproduce and survive. Men and women are created different by nature. And nothing will ever change nature. Masculinity in men is installed by nature. And femininity for women. And we are attracted to those who are biologically opposite to us. Masculine men and feminine women create the strongest bond for survival and living a satisfying life. Unfortunately you will never understand that.

[OddBeMe]

"Nothing will ever change nature"

Uhhh... evolution? Maybe?

[NewsReader]

Nature is nature. It has remained and will remain the same. Evolution changes without affecting nature. Look at animals for example. Their evolution changes by mixing genetics. But their nature and natural selection has remained the same. Same applies to humans. Unfortunately you will never understand that.

[OddBeMe]

Change is change, but ok. Nature is "everything" can be your argument. Fine.

But what changes is our understanding. Transgender could be mainstream in 100 years.

[NewsReader]

Transgender can be mainstream, but nature will remain the same. Humans would become more depressed and eventually extinct. It will take way more than 100 years, but still.

[OddBeMe]

nature will remain the same but keep evolving constantly? Are you drunk?

[NewsReader]

Like I said, you will never understand this. You are a science denier. And it's obvious where it came from.

[OddBeMe]

No im just not trying to defend my dumbass anti-trans position by pretending to know what science will be in a 100 years.

[sheenagwapa]

a man and a woman for me is based on your chromosomes. when i see muslim guys in my country they wear something like a whole dress same with Jesus on the Divine Mercy image but do they look feminine no... if i'm slim i would wear a "boyish" clothes at times at the mall because i like it. if i get my ideal body maybe crop top and baggy jeans. my life, my style, my rules

[Apulu_Imback]

I just want to say one thing, be a part of LGBT as your wish. I'm not against it, it's your life after all. But when 100 years later your body would be studied by some random future archaeologist and biologist, you will be reported as male or female.

[OddBeMe]

how could you possibly know that?

[MrOracle]

Because all there will be left to evaluate is bones, and bones clearly indicate male or female, but they have no way to communicate "didn't identify with the gender I was born with."

[Apulu_Imback]

@MrOracle Yes exactly I am not against lgbt community. I respect them but I am just stating the facts.

[OddBeMe]

@MrOracle but you dont know what science will discover by then.

[MrOracle]

Unless it's time travel, it won't make a difference.

[OddBeMe]

@MrOracle thats what they said before dna was discovered. You both are resoundingly ignorant.

[MrOracle]

DNA is still based on biology. Trans is a mental condition.

[Apulu_Imback]

Well DNA doesn't relates to mental preference, does it?

[OddBeMe]

I would say we dont know much about our brains. And thats why you can't possibly know what future science will tell us. Jesus, my whole fcking point.

[MrOracle]

Sure - but brains decompose - RAPIDLY. And if they've been autopsied, their brains won't even be in their bodies. It's not like their brains are going to be sitting in a jar of formaldehyde, waiting to be analyzed. It's going to be GONE. Bones outlast flesh by like 100 to 1.

[Apulu_Imback]

I mentioned 100 years... body decomposes in around 6-7 years (it could be delayed or even done within months depending upon the temperature) with remains of bones ONLY. Yeah I'm sure they must find something in the future but how will you know the sexuality of the person if the brain isn't available to check the mentality.

[OddBeMe]

uuhhhhh... my fckin point is that science today could completely change tomorrow. Trans could be how we're supposed to be.

[snackthatsmilesback]

Dang it if only there was some sort of way to document things like this so someone could find the information as well, and manage to follow the trail and connect the two as being the same person. Oh well I guess archeologists can only rely on bones and not things like the tomb, tombstone, legal records, or the personal artifacts of the bones previous owner. Oh well. I guess archeologists will get much dumber in 100 years.

[Apulu_Imback]

@snackthatsmilesback I'm talking about common people. Their grave won't mention so many stuff.

[snackthatsmilesback]

Yeah.. okay? Gravestone was one of like 7 things. Just having a name would likely be enough to connect the bones to an identity. If they can figure out some thousand year old mummy is trans or gay, I'm sure they could figure out someone who died only 100 years ago.

[Apulu_Imback]

@snackthatsmilesback Well I never thought of this way. Thanks for explaining :) I understand it now and I am sorry if this was offensive.

[snackthatsmilesback]

Oh okay cool thanks for listening

[snackthatsmilesback]

It's just how people are, and what they like. Some people are manly, some are womanly, you have tomboy femboy etc. It can be fashion but goes beyond that. Some men have very strong feminine traits, and vice versa, that are natural strengths of character. It's unclear exactly where the lines are in what is feminine or masculine vs what is a societal imposed expansion/limitation of them, but the point of the difference, I think, is diversity. It gives humans a big general complimentary nature. We know that a feminine and masculine person can work well together in ways that give them an advantage of diversity in several ways. And generally men are more masculine and women more feminine. Which of course helped lead to some of those traditional values. But the terms aren't interchangeable. They don't define gender, I would argue. They're just how people are.

[RandomGuy1032]

Because we gotta stay strong together. Like how mutated cells get cleaned up before they spread. China, Russia, Iran won't care that "its your life" when half our population is fairies. Theyll take over and no you won't still get to be a snowflake. Theyll probably execute you

[petitedollbabee]

Societal roles. Honestly, who cares. Let someone dress and act however they want. They’re the ones living their lives, not you. If it makes them happy then more power to them ☺️

[Berethor]

Traditional values that are important, the guys in the pictures looks like total freaks.

[OddBeMe]

yet theyre famous and you're not.

[Guardian45]

Famous? To whom? I DON'T recognize any of them, and even if I did, I WOULD NEVER EMULATE ANY of these FREAKS!

[slatyb]

What do you mean by "point" ? Do you mean "Why do most cultures have gender-specific clothing and behavior?"

[OddBeMe]

I dont know honestly. Maybe. Do those words have value to you?

[slatyb]

Which words? "Masculinity" and "Femininity" ?

[OddBeMe]

Yes the words i highlighted in the Q…

[Hispanic-Cool-Guy]

It's biologically that's the point. You can't change masculine into feminine or vice versa.

You claim to believe in science and yet you fools deny biology 101.

[TheMoralCrusader]

It is not that there is a point to it it is just how it is. There are guys and there are girls and absolutely nothing else.

[anylolone]

Same point of the category of three, life, death, etc.

[OddBeMe]

Only know of the category 3 hurricane.

[anylolone]

Stop playing the fool. Category unity, roots of unity.

You are taking all of those for granted, just by speaking.

[Dinosaursandanime65]

When boundaries are set, they stabilize normal from abomination

[OddBeMe]

or hold us back

[Dinosaursandanime65]

*and hold us back from U-Sins

[Dinosaursandanime65]

When boundaries are extinguished, there are no limits to what one will do. When one has no limits, it leads to mayhem.

[OddBeMe]

boundaries like slavery?

[Dinosaursandanime65]

No no no, that’s just a fraction of a fraction of what happens without boundaries. If one does not know or does not want to know why the boundaries are there, they have an utter disregard for morality. Without that….

[OddBeMe]

You sound like slaveholders making their arguments for keeping slavery legal. Seriously, you should read their statements.

[Dinosaursandanime65]

NO ITS NOT JOSEPH

[Juxtapose]

That is just representation of each sex is natural behavior.

[Juxtapose]

*sex's

[Chthou95]

Because traditional values are still important. Those dudes in the photos are fucking ridiculous

[Guardian45]

I would NOT EMULATE ANY of these FREAKS!

[BTCMoon]

It’s a product of our biology

[OddBeMe]

Which changes based on environment. Says Darwin.

[BTCMoon]

Modern physicians and medical facts say otherwise.

[BTCMoon]

Our neurology, our endocrine system, reproductive systems factually differ. These differences affect temperament, and therefore create differences in our roles within society.

[BTCMoon]

To suggest that our biological factors are absent in the presence of societal influence is entirely illogical. Taking even the most introductory course in biology at your local community college will teach you this. I don't know how people like you actually believe this. Especially when you tout to be the people of science. These differences between men and women are factual, and have been accepted as factual for a very very long time. Ask your physician about the differences in male and female endocrine system and how this impacts temperament.