"Conservative." However, I always, when I see this kind of question, have to put an asterisk over it. My conservatism is not what Americans typically call conservative. Because what Americans call conservative is, historically speaking, not conservatism but is, rather, classical liberalism.
My conservatism, which for convenience I will call classical or Tory conservatism, traces its intellectual pedigree through Aristotle, St. Thomas Aquinas - and probably most importantly - the 18th century British statesman and political philosopher, Edmund Burke, and also the British Prime Minsiters Benjamin Disraeli and Lord Salisbury.
In an American context, it shows up in the thinking of Alexander Hamilton and then - almost by historical accident, the American Whig Party, and the former Whig turned Republican, Abraham Lincoln. (It is a great historical "what if" as to what the GOP would have looked like had Lincoln lived and the radical Republicans not gained the ascendancy.)
Classical conservatives believe, unlike American conservatives and liberals, that the purpose of government is to answer Aristotle's first questions of politics, "How ought we to live? What kind of a people do we wish to be?"
To which classical conservatives respond that the purpose of government is to nurture civic virtue. To reinforce those habits and customs, legitimized by historical usage over time, that make a harmonious and stable social order possible.
Classical conservatives believe in the free market as a tool, rather than an end in itself. They recognize that it is a powerful wealth creator, efficient to some degree, and a guard against an overweening state. However, they believe, as Burke said, "The effect of liberty to individuals is that they may do what they please. We ought see what it will please them to do before we risk congratulations."
Consequently, classical conservatives support an ameliorative welfare state. (The welfare state was invented by two conservatives - Disraeli and Bismarck.) The purpose such a welfare state being to reconcile the public to the dynamics of a free market economy by alleviating the negative impact of old age, illness and temporary unemployment.
In this they differ from American liberals who see the welfare state as a lever to engineer social transformation. That is, to restructure society according to some abstract a priori vision. Classical conservatives argue that such a vision is ultimately going to be oversimple and will lead to adverse and unintended consequences.
Tories believe that political philosophy should take as it starting point not human reason, but human nature. That political rights are developed through historical usage, and are not abstract pre-existing. Which is to say that they don't deny that such abstract rights exist. Merely that they are of no practical benefit or use in civil society and law. As Burke put it, "Their abstract perfection is their practical defect."
In all this, then, classical conservatives tend to see less difference between American conservatives and liberals than they see between themselves. Albeit that classical conservatives are more likely to align with their American counterparts insofar as American liberals tend to be more deeply hostile to custom and tradition.
Oh wow. Surprised how few leftists there are on here.
I'd say it's my closest match, but I tend not to like associating with "ists" and "isms". I could say I'm socially-libertarian and politically progressive, at least in American politics. I just don't care where the "progress" comes from necessarily.
Too many of the ists/isms here are beholden to a specific way. That we must either try to solve everything with free-market capitalism, or try to solve everything with big top-down projects.
For me it's like, climate change and healthcare are big topics for me. If universal healthcare works, it works. If a free market can actually manage to scrounge up a reasonable solution, I might prefer that. I don't think a "free" market can do that given the nature of healthcare. But if they can pull a hat trick and surprise me, I'm all for it.
Or like with "eco-friendly" vehicles. I much prefer Tesla's model of doing things over government mandated "compliance vehicles". Instead of asking everyone to drive cleaner cars and ignoring that they are slow or not very good-looking or well-built, it's way better to just have a company build them as crazy fast luxury vehicles people brag about. But regardless, reducing on-site emissions is the priority. I'm just interested in which option can best accomplish this task.
It's why I wish instead of "liberal issues" and "conservative issues", we would have more cross-talk. Liberal and conservative solutions to the same issues. Right now, Republicans basically handed Democrats a monopoly on solutions for climate change by denying its very existance, when they could be providing right-wing solutions instead.
Like, I can tell you the exact time I went from "undecided" to "left". It was when Jim Inhofe brought a snowball to the senate floor and basically said "It's snowing. So climate change is fake." Like FFS, at least Ben Shapiro understands the argument and just opposes big-government solutions. At that point I was just done with the GOP.
Uhm I guess moderate? I'm not sure how to excatly put it into words lol
I'm not that into politics... this whole shit works differently over here and we have multiple parties from right, middle to left and I honestly always vote for the current lesser "evil/bad" ... there is no party that is really great great 🤷🏽♀️
It’s better to have multiple parties. Tbh. Having two parties clearly proves to only further divide a country
Yeah definitely! I never understood why you guys have that over there anyways tbh
I’m in Canada so we have multiple party systems (as opposed to 2). None of which I really align with but I look them all over come voting season and figure out which one sucks the least.
The two party system is really the fuel that is lighting the fire of division in this country tbh.
Exactly. Although I will say that the prime minister you guys have was really messing with your guy’s rights… he calmed down just like every other politician like him cause they began to receive push back by the public.
Even the media companies that once backed them began turning their backs to them lol
He reminds me a lot of my state governor
To be fair the majority of politicians are morons and unfortunately can’t think for themselves when making decisions. And I don’t mean that as they don’t think but unfortunately what one may want to do has to go through the rest of the political gauntlet and things either get lost in translation or they get changed
CORRECT!! The policies they push out are tied to any outside business dealings they do that bolster their profits etc.
There are some examples I could easily name where their actions are questionable to say the least
Throughout history, political resets were in fact violent. But proved to be beneficial.
Unfortunately blood needs to be spilt for peace and prosperity.
It turns violent because humans get addicted to power, you try taking it away from them and they become overprotective and hostile.
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Moderate? I'm the kind of person that pisses both sides off due to not completely agreeing with them and calling them out when need be. Also I think party based politics can very much break down a persons ability to think for themselves if you dive to far into it. So I do my best to not get caught up in it.
Precisely
Moderate, because it's the only sensible choice. No side is 100% right on everything, and the division between people is just one way the government is keeping them all in line.
Facts. Both sides have done things that are hypocritical
If I were to even bother concerning myself with politics, I would be on board.
To add to my response... I say that because I believe everything is a spectrum. The only absolute is that there are no absolutes.
I believe extremism is a disease, and it is running rampant. The world isn't black and white, and I think it's absolutely asinine that people don't understand that everything is a spectrum. That being said, I believe there should be a fourth choice for your survey, to indicate that I don't even concern myself with politics, because it's just rich bastards keeping themselves rich by making laws that benefit them and calling it government politics. Both sides of the fence are two different branches of the same corrupt tree. I don't need a government to tell me how to live my life, so that I am a decent person who avoids violating anyone's freedom or human rights.
I agree with your views and also I put vaccines and masks right up there with abortion it should not be forced it should be a choice and if stupid people wanna wear masks or get vaccines the rest of us should be able to refuse or else it is medical tyranny. I no longer participate in politics. I don't watch it or vote or any of that. 2020 showed me completely that it is all fake and predetermined when Donald Trump a so called conservative pushed a vaccine on the masses who got people harmed or killed. He allowed them to shut down businesses over a fake virus. I saw all I needed to know and I am no longer a statist.
I would argue that you’re still a conservative. Only an extremist agrees wholly with an entire party ideology.
Plus, it’s actually pretty easy to prove that almost everyone is actually “pro-choice”.
Myself, i’m a left-leaning moderate. Most of my most potent principles are progressive, but i hold tightly to some conservative principles as well.
Yes. Correct. I do lean more to the right. Like I said the only thing I disagree with conservatives on is banning abortion completely.
If you watch the Joe Rogan podcast I’m basically like him. Minus being a bernie sander supporter lol I don't know why he supports bernie meanwhile speaking facts about the entire democratic party lately.
And yes absolutely. Take a conservative man that sleeps with a woman that he just wanted to hook up with, and she ends up getting pregnant.
The chances of that man at the very least knowing that abortion would be available to the woman’s discretion would bring him peace of mind.
Otherwise he would be seriously stressing over it like crazy
Actually, my litmus test is asking someone if they would be in favor of abortion if their own mother was raped and got pregnant. Nobody has said, “No!”. What they usually say is something along the lines of, “My mother wouldn’t want to abort a rape baby!”. Well, then you’re ‘pro-choice’ because you permit your mother to choose that for herself. Ell oh ell!
I am definitely NOT A MODERATE as those fools get run over on both sides. Who tge hell stands out in the middle or street or traffic snd does not expect to get hit or st least 💩 on. I will take a Leftist over a moderate as friend any day of the week 🤮
Nice grammar
Kids, these days... they think the world is black and white, when everything is a spectrum.
Someday, you'll get it, kid.
I’m 30 you dumb fuck. How can you call me a kid? So just cause I’m not fully a conservative I’m an idiot? Lol
Listen her you dense headed dipshit, remember how we all were against the vaccine mandate cause it’s unconstitutional and were saying
“My body my choice?”
Then why is it that due to your religious beliefs you feel women shouldn’t have the right to choose to get an abortion under certain circumstances?
Sad how we would agree on most things, but just cause I don’t agree on one thing. Now I’m the enemy. It’s people like you, that are driving our nation further and further divided
@Danny_dan92 actually you're not wrong. I don't know since when the abortion becomes a political thing when it just should be a common social issue. But the fact is that both sides tend to embrace that for political purposes.
However, abortion is not dividing our nation. It's never a primary issue for America, just leftists tend to embrace that if you do see recent debates between celebrities from both parties before our middle election. Leftists keep asking whether abortion is a right as primary, regardless serious issues like inflation, unemployment and over-immigration from the South. If Roe V Wade Overturn is a crisis, then since when did people confuse Roe V Wade policy had not been a crisis? People protest for many years against that abortion. Furthermore, if thinking rightists people trying to ban abortion is wrong, back to previous years before Roe V Wade Overturn, there had been leftists people supporting and donating money to encourage abortion, and it is still, that affect choice of people. It's no difference from banning abortion. It's no longer a choice anymore. I hate abortion personally because of its irresponsibility of people when hooking up before thinking about pregnancy, especially the young one,. If they do, it's never been an issue. Just a remind that a rape case is a minor minor case comparing to a main reason people liking abortion.
In short, you are not wrong, it actually violates freedom choice, I just disagree you think it is a dividing issue.
@Tanhoaon
No, I mean that the topic along with others create division because people begin to argue and sometimes even become physically violent over disagreements.
Like Joe Rogan often says, I don't know why we as a nation lost the ability to have a civil disagreement. Why we can no longer agree to disagree and hear each other’s perspective without wanting to kill each other
I just wish we could go back to the Nation we were 20 years ago.
Where we could agree to disagree without wanting to silence or kill one another
I would say on most topics I am on the right of center (closer to conservative). But I don’t like to be categorized or to categorize others (unless they follow party lines). I take each topic and decide/form an opinion….. I am not a follower.
This philosophy I stand by. 👍🏼
I'm a moderate, leaning left, mainly because the "right" has been so totally fucking wrong lately it makes me sick. I used to vote for people based on where they stood on issues, but now, too many politicians are more gutless than ever and cow toe to their master's calling.
What have they been wrong about?
Well Dan, that would mean engaging in a political discussion, which would lead to a moral and ethical discussion, which would lead nowhere. ALL I will say, in a nutshell, is that fascism (I'll define it for you: extremely authoritarian, intolerant, or oppressive ideas or behavior, very intolerant or domineering views or practices) and blatant disregard of the rule of law while "claiming" to be upholders of the rule of law, labeling those who disagree with you as "unpatriotic traitors" while committing your own traitorous acts, is not my idea of "doing the right thing".
Both sides have done this.
The left has done lockdowns while those politicians that enforced that measure were doing the opposite of what they told people to do.
They labeled the January 6th idiots as “extremists” when they called the BLM rioters “peaceful protesters”
The right said the democrats pushing the vaccines was “unconstitutional” and “morally incorrect” yet here they are wanting to mess with women’s medical rights.
Again, both sides have shown examples of authoritarian behavior
The difference being that vaccines were not mandatory for the entire population, only in certain situations for workers, which again is a whole different discussion. The right saying it was "unconstitutional" was nothing more than a straw man designed to distract from whatever the available science was or wasn't. The "moral" aspect was again, just a tactic to give objectors something to focus on besides science. I've said many times that if the KILL rate had been much higher for all members of the population, not just those with co-morbidities, none of those points would have been asserted.
However, unlike the non-mandatory vaccines, state laws or a potential Federal Law banning all abortions, even those in cases of rape, incest or endangerment to mother's life (the baby gets to live, mom doesn't), go WAY too far to the authoritarian right.
Biden was trying to federally mandate it and the supreme court shut that down…
Not sure if you remember that part. It was after that, where they then said medical workers, vendors and first responders need the vaccine.
Also, a good percentage of first responders, health care workers, military lost their positions, pensions etc. for refusing… so… yeah. Unconstitutional
@Danny_dan92 Dude you’re talking to a Lefty. They are unable to see the hypocrisy that they are pushing.
As the right enjoys saying "there's nothing in the Constitution about... blah, blah, blah.." They bank on that when it's to their advantage. There's nothing in the Constitution about a LOT of things, but so what? It was a good thing that vaccines were not Federally mandated for all, as the SCOTUS did what it was supposed to do. As I said, had the kill rate been more serious, you'd have seen different responses. The Gov. Employees mandate had 97.2% compliance as of Dec.,2021. It's probably higher now. There are also ways to get exemptions or extensions. I'm not defending the mandate, but rather, I'm saying there are ways around it.
The assumption is that if I'm not "right of center", I'm a Biden supporter. Well, I'm really not. I don't like Biden very much, or some of his policies. I don't like that he's still pushing litigation for the mandate, but I do like that he called out major corporations for price gouging during a crisis while making record breaking profits.
You said people lost government "pensions" - were they vested already, or are you speaking of matching funds if they hadn't put in the minimum time? I don't see much info on the subject. Link me if you have good documentation, please.
@Agagagagaga Dude, we're having a civil discussion, not writing one another off because we have different views, or throwing one another into a larger group because of a singular point. You should try it some time.
As should you. Turn your analysis on your own goddamn party. We all know the Left has lost its goddamn mind. Open borders. Skyrocketing inflation. Runaway illegal immigration. Bullshit sham investigations. Cancel culture and calls for censorship, banning, and deplatforming. The completely fucked up and botched withdrawal from Afghanistan. Race base federal aid. Men giving birth. And on and on the circus goes.
And you say that Republicans have lost it?
Dude take a look at your own goddamn party and politicians. Why the hell do you carry water for these people?
@Agagagagaga Oh for God's sakes. LMAO. This is the "fault" of a singular "party"? You're a walking talking point for Newsmax. As I said, I'm no Biden fan, and I don't even like the 2 party system, but your blind insistence on blaming one "side" of an equation is ridiculous.
Open borders? - Obama returned more illegals to Mexico than Trump. The border situation has been kicked down the road for 80 years. Look it up. Both parties fuck ups.
Inflation? - Yeah, that's a singular party issue. (*eyeroll*)
Censorship? Banning and cancel culture --- again, both sides of all equations, depending on who said what, and who owns what they said it on. Keep in mind, you can't even GET an "opposing" viewpoint on ANY news station, on EITHER side, because it doesn't feed their money base, dude.
Afghanistan? Holy fuck, that was Trump's IDIOTIC deal, incredibly STUPID belief that the Taliban could be trusted, and lack of preparation to evacuate American interests, FOLLOWED by an equally STUPID lack of reliable intelligence by Biden's people who listened to the CIA instead of the military commanders. And so on. Total fuck up again by both sides.
The rest of your stuff is either radical fringe crap like:
Men giving birth (real men can't - look it up - you need a uterus and ovaries, or a transplanted uterus then a C-section. Women who trans to "men" and have the equipment aren't "men" just because they identify as one).
And one more time for your deaf ears - none of these radical people are "my fucking party", on either side! If you want to believe "your side", and their radicals, have all the answers and can resolve all the issues that have plagued and continue to plague us, you're just as foolish as those you're pointing your finger at.
If you don’t think things have markedly worsened in 2 years I don’t know what else to tell you. Lots of people see it. Hell, no Democrat politicians will even endorse Biden for re-election.
Your party is ruining things. They are spitting in your stupid face and your dumb, brainwashed ass is saying “Huh. Looks like rain! Must be the Republicans!”
@Agagagagaga
Uh huh. In the last 2 years there was this thing called Covid and the destruction of the ever so fragile supply chain around the world, which includes your little corner of subjectivity. The US has been getting markedly worse since 1990, so see if you can figure out why.
I suggest you try "reading":
" And one more time for your deaf ears - none of these radical people are "my fucking party", on either side! "
I'm none of these labels. I'm an Independent with some liberal and some conservative beliefs.
That’s good
Are You centrist?
@HippieVeganJewslim No, a centrist has middle of the road beliefs. Some of mine are pretty far left and right.
I guess I ain’t 100% centrist either. I do have some far-right (or is it left?) views.
Neither. You can’t always get what you want, but if you try sometimes you might find you get what you need. Keep on rocking in the free world, but for great power must come great responsibility. One thing I can tell you is you (and others, too) got to be free, as long as you don’t go to the extremes.
It is funny how you substitute leftist for liberal. But not fascist for Conservative.
Why are they still allowingg stupid political questions here.
Probably for the same reason they allow people such as yourself.
@Agagagagaga Son, I talk about relationships.
You talk the same incel racist nonsense.
You have nothing to add to conversations here.
There is no such thing as a "moderate"
It's like saying you're a part time vegan.
Grow some balls and admit you're a centrist.
By definition being centrist is the same as moderate.
Did you just try to compare something as complex as politics to something as extremely simple as diet?
You really need to work on your analogy building skills. Apples and oranges, dude.
His response was dumb on it’s head because moderates are also called centrists. Because we’re in the center. We don’t take sides completely
We think with sense and reason
m I'm just not political nor partisan... never voted, never will
if they ever start fining people for not voting, I will send them 100 years of fines in advance lmao...
Do you mean you agree with what conservatives say about those things, or what they do? Because they are opposites.
I agree with conservatives on most topics. Excluding outright banning abortion
But do you agree with what they say or what they do? Because you can't agree with both, as they are opposites. For example, when it comes to the economy they say they want to cut our taxes and reduce spending but what they actually do every time they get power is increase our taxes and triple our debt. Which of these do you agree with? Cutting taxes and reducing spending, which is what Democrats do but Republicans only say, or increasing taxes and spending, which is what Republicans do but say Democrats do?
Why do I have to pick a side 100%? That is what is attributing to the division in this country.
What? I'm asking if you agree with what Republicans say or if you agree with what Republicans do? They are opposites so it can't be both. Like with the economy. Do you agree we should increase taxes and spending, which is what Republicans do, or do you agree we should reduce taxes and spending, which is what Republicans say?
Like I said, I don’t agree with every single thing either side does.
If we’re talking about the economy. Right now, the democrats are claiming that to reduce inflation we need to spend more. Which is incorrect. It is massive government spending that results in inflation, because they’re pumping more money into the economy. Decreasing the value of the American dollar.
If we want to curb inflation we need to increase TAXES. But not spending, the government needs to stop these massive spending packages and stop government hand outs.
These spending packages are the same as a person taking out a loan or credit card. It’s money that is “available” but they didn’t earn it, they have to pay it back
Democrats aren't claiming that, though. Republicans are just saying Democrats are claiming that. Meanwhile, Republicans are responsible for 90% of the national debt.
But, anyway, if you are against excessive spending then you disagree with what Republicans do and agree with what Democrats do. However, you agree with what Republicans say but disagree with what republicans say that Democrats say.
Both sides spend a lot. Trump spent a lot of money. But what I’m sick and tired of, is this finger pointing bs.
Both sides accuse the other of doing stupid shit when they both do said stupid shit.
All be it, democrats do this hypocrisy shit way more.
I used to be a moderate but the democrats are too crazy now so I guess I am a conservative
Lmao you're a conservative. If you take a drink of water, it is still a glass of water.
I am probably a conservative soup with some libertarian spices.
I do lean more towards the conservatives yes. Because I agree with them on 98% of things. Except banning abortion completely
Well I don't know man… I know people who like me were once democrats recently and either completely switched sides or became moderates that lean right like I do.
So who knows. Guess we’ll see this upcoming midterm election cycle
But notice the democrats are in fact scrambling to maintain power by REALLY pushing the whole abortion topic. Which yes, I do agree with them that it shouldn’t be outright federally banned. However everything else they push I greatly disagree with.
Like the whole trans movement, the government spending to “reduce inflation” etc
Needless to say, it would be quite refreshing to see my state turn purple or even red!! That would be very nice to see
It’s not easy, I live with my brother and we both have the same beliefs in many things. So we get along really well, we both wanted to move to Texas or Arizona. But all the companies we applied for saw our current location and said no. Can’t say I blame them, but unfortunately we’ve been tied into the stigma that because of the state we come from we must be “woke” “sheep” “leftists” etc.
Which is untrue. I was ONCE a democrat. But woke up in 2017
Left moderate... because that is what is necessary for the survival of the human race.
Conservative, but more specific, I’m a constitutionalist. An originalist American who agrees with our founding fathers.
I'm a little of each.
And I will rather kiss a dead moose, than to associate myself with some ''party''.
Socially liberal, scientifically literate. The opposite of today's Republican party.
Libertarian. Do what you want as long as you do not assault people or their property.
Yeeep 💯
Libertarian = Liberal
Not necessarily bro. I believe libertarian’s want the least amount of government involvement in all aspects
I guess nobody likes clean air, water, or food to eat. Let alone being progressive in sustainability.
Left wing moderate.
I voted moderate but to practically every leftist out there I’m some kind of racist somehow.
Yep.. if you disagree with them they tend to call you that. Even if what you disagree with them on has absolutely NOTHING to do with race.
One of the reasons why I got tired of being a democrat
Same boat as @Agape93
I'm a moderate but you would consider me a leftist.
u I'm a conservative.
I am conservative.
Centrist libertarian
I agree with you.
Independent Conservative
I am an extreme F+UCK EVERYONE!
I lean a little to the right
I'm a Moderate Conservative
Independent Progressive.
None of them
Leftist
Based right winger
middle
I'm apolitical
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