Do you think government should have a 100% say about what public education children should receive or do you think parents should have the say?

[Hispanic-Cool-Guy]

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Please give your reasons.

[Effably]

Receive in what sense? In terms of the education itself?

First of in theory a government is a representation of its people, which includes parents, and so in a functioning democracy they would be the same thing. Buuut since we all know it doesn't really function.

Parents should have a say on a national level. Not school by school. The point of this is that for education to carry value has two components. The first is actually learning things and the second is being able to verify having learned things.

In order to be able to guarantee a standard we need shared courses and programs. This eliminates the ability to tailor classes all too different. Math must still be math and hold similar levels.

My own elementary school operated on a fixed schedule four days and a student's choice on the fifth. Allowing you to pick yoir favorite subjects, the ones you needed to focus more on, something new and unrelated and so on. It is a concept that worked well and created a sense of choice and freedom.

Also while standardizing is key that does not mean we can not have a few different modules of similar courses. Some leeway is possible. I would boldly suggest the students should have the choice though. Parents and politicans tend to have a rather poor general understanding of educational systems.

[Chazmatazz269]

Parents do have a say. If skool board positions aren’t elected, they are appointed by elected officials. If you don’t like how the skool is run, elect different officials. Better yet, RUN for an office with which you will have direct effect on education policies. I know it’s easy to forget that ours is a government of the people, by the people and for the people with our eyes and ears on federal matters. However, being active in local government is a good way to influence meaningful changes and restore faith in the fundamentals of democracy.

[kylee2437]

Honestly , I think government should but I think government should be more open to peoples thoughts on what should be taught in school. The reason why I wouldn’t leave it in the parents hands, is because a mob of assholes can easily dictate an unreasonable class to become a class at that point.

[Hispanic-Cool-Guy]

And why won't you suspect a mob of A-holes from the government can't do the same?

[kylee2437]

@Hispanic-Cool-Guy there’s a lot in the school systems that need to be revised to begin with BUT parents opinions on what they want their child to learn is not factual to what needs to be taught for them to genuinely succeed on colleges and such.

[kylee2437]

In colleges*

[kylee2437]

Also let me add on: you would potentially be putting power in hands of unsuccessful parents therefore continuing a possible cycle of ongoing in failure. You really don’t understand how much the government genuinely provides for kids in need and I’m sure if you made them lose power, they would pull the plugs on them funding certain things for schools. What about the parents that discourage going to college? You think a kid that has the goal of going to college would have any kind of safe place to succeed in college if they have parents discouraging them from college their whole life? I think government needs to focus on college not being the ONLY BUT you can’t leave stuff like this in the power of parents when there’s plenty of kids /regions/communities that hold unsuccessful parents

[kylee2437]

Not being the only goal*

[JDavid25]

You think the government should have a say in what other people's kids learn? Most people just want their kids to have a good education.. Also, you're saying you prefer an Oligarchy rather than a democracy..

[kylee2437]

@Jdavid25 you realize the government is already in charge of what goes on in schools and we are a democracy right? No I don’t think that poverty based parents should have access to their child’s learning especially when poverty level parents tend to have drug issues, mixed views on college, lack proper education themselves etc. It’s not fitting and makes learning for those low income children less of a safe place

[kylee2437]

Also they would pull funds of stuff that the government provides for those low income students

[JDavid25]

Like I mentioned most parents just want their kids to have a good education.. The founding fathers wanted as little government as possible, and it was mainly meant to protect our Liberties not tell us what we should and should not learn. Most parents trust instructors with the lessons, and don't usually interfere.. That's why I don't agree to the Oligarchal idea of the Government overstepping it's bounds.. Because you have people in power that may not want something to be taught.. At least with parents or a private parental counsel, it's an individual matter.. The government already has too much power in the America and its slowly ruining it..

[kylee2437]

@Jdavid25 you aren’t all parents so you don’t know what a certain community of parents want/their ideas. Like I said you may have a community of parents that think college should be looked down upon to the point where you then give those parents power to not only discourage their kids at home to go to college but then on top of that , now kids don’t have a safe place to figure out / be prepared for college. You have a ton of programs in school that are funded by the government that would probably be pulled if you gave parents power over government. Again, I think there needs to be a system that lets parents have bigger influence on government decisions, but I don’t agree with giving parents full power to decide due to there being dysfunctional communities

[JDavid25]

Private and Charter schools are ran by parental funding, and not government.. And most of them are better than Public (government funded and ran) schools. And parents discouraging kids going to college has little to do with their power over education.. That's a private matter in which they'll persuade their kids either way if they want to. Besides College these days is almost a fools game.. But that's another topic.. Point is, those are their kids and giving parents power isn't what you think it means, and like I mentioned most parents just want better for their kids.. Plenty of parents in poverty that encourage their kids to get the best education they can.. In fact that was most of the parents of the past.

[kylee2437]

@JDavid25 you realize private schools have a Tuition and aren’t free , right? What low income person is affording that? You want to know what I pay for lunch in college if I want to eat there? $10 for school lunch because the government doesn’t fund college lunch. You want to fork over your kid $10 everyday 6 days a week because you didn’t want the government involved in your child’s learning?

[kylee2437]

Also mentioning that college is a scam is very off topic considering it’s a whole different rabbit hole. You just proved my point as to why parents shouldn’t have full power in their child’s class though.

[kylee2437]

5 days a week ***

[JDavid25]

I also said Charter Schools.. They are free.. And they also do better than Public Schools.. Most of them anyways.. There's also scholarships for kids whose parents can't afford private school.. My point was that parents have a lot of power with Private schools and they seem to be doing better.. And I didn't say college was a scam, I said it was a fools game.. Which it is.. For the most part. And I only briefly mentioned it. But, like I mentioned, the college thing is not relevant onnthe broad scale of the parents power over education. If the Government mandated that kids learn the Bible... I bet the tone would be very different..

[kylee2437]

@Jdavid25 having teachings about the Bible goes against religious rights , which is another thing that would be eliminated if you took the government out of schools, freedom of religion. You have government funded things in schools that would be Eliminated. I think people get so tied up to wanting to eliminate the government out of a lot of things that they don’t weigh up the cons of eliminating them. You are only looking at the simple fact that parents can choose what they think is best for their kid , and there’s even cons to that pro.

[JDavid25]

Well, that didn't answer my question.. You think the Government isn't above slyly forcing its agenda on the people.. They've been trampling on rights for a long time... And no it would not be eliminated.. That's not how it works.. And no I'm looking at the fact that the government shouldn't be telling us anything about what to learn.. It doesn't have the right.. Also, Parents don't choose what their kids learn as they are not instructors.. Most parents trust instructors to teach their kids useful things in the world.. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I reckon you don't have kids.. Parents will still in part whether beliefs they want into their children.. Has nothing to do with the educational system..

[KelleyNice]

Whatever faults parents may have, their opinions on what is in the best interest of their children are far superior to so called expert government officials. Most parents want what is best for their children. Expert government officials want what is best for them. Therefore, their opinions should always be suspect.

[kylee2437]

@kelleynice I disagree. A parents faults matter because it’s not black and white and you can’t always assume that parents want what is right for their kids. Some may discourage college from their kids and in that place, school would no longer be a safe place for kids that do want to go to college. Im not saying that the government isn’t stuck in their ways, but I still think the government still prepares everyone in a sense.

[KelleyNice]

Anyone that has that much trust in government officials have been fully indoctrinated by government schools and government media.

[kylee2437]

@kelleynice if you insist on name calling / belittling because I don’t agree with you, I think you are the problem here

[kylee2437]

@kelleynice also I realize I’m talking to a 13 year old kid. Kiddo the reason why your mom doesn’t need to fork over $10 to you every school lunch is because the government pays for it

[KelleyNice]

Only indoctrinated socialists believe the government pays for anything.

[kylee2437]

@kelleynice you aren’t capable of having grown convos without name calling, yet you invest your time into them too much without knowing proper information, have a great day

[kylee2437]

@kelleyside side note, you definitely can’t call me the indoctrinated one when you are 13 and feed off your parents political views. You proved why parents shouldn’t have full control over their kids education

[KelleyNice]

I would eliminate public education because the government assumes total control over whatever they pay for. The fact that they first takes the money from the people is not relevant. Therefore, the primary purpose if public education is to indoctrinate, not educate.

[WindAtMyBack]

Governments have the final say in public education, but the people have the final say in the government that represents them. The government is a proxy for the people and should never be dictators that go against the wishes of the people.

[hahahmm]

The education system has become a joke. At this point it would be better to bring in an army of teachers from Japan & South Korea to re-build the school system from scratch. I'd also end public education at grade 8.

[ArtemisSilver]

The parents should and do have a say through voting. If you don't like what's on offer then go private, or maybe run for office and present an alternative option.

[XXblack88]

@ArtemisSilver private school is getting just as bad as public school. My brother-in-law has all 3 of his kids in private school. His oldest son's history teacher threw the flag on the floor and told them it was just a symbol. When word got back to him he took it to the school and is trying to fight the school to fire this teacher. Your better off home schooling your kids at this point.

[Pudsmucker]

No I do not think the government should have 100% say so of what our children receives in education. They've already screwed up our children minds. What else are they going to screw up?

[msc545]

In general, I don't think unqualified people should be be dictating what children learn. This includes parents and also includes people from the government that have no education in education itself.

[goaded]

I think one or two parents should not be able to impose their beliefs on an entire school.

[TroyDT2]

Maybe allow school choice? Schools that completely suck will then either reform or fail.

[OddBeMe]

Unfort parents have been vacant in their kid’s education. So I’m leaning more toward govt. but I’m sure a middle ground can be reached.

[007kingifrit]

parents are more important. shocked this is even a question

[Asker2022]

Parents.