Was there fraud in Brazil's election?

[RolandCuthbert]

So I am just getting ready for the new conspiracy theories coming down the pipe. So Clinton, George Soros. . . Paul Pelosi or somebody who you guys claim is "liberal" flew down to Brazil and defeated the Brazilian trump. Or I guess the one you might go with is that Biden and the CIA fixed the election or used Dominion voting machines. It is always hard to figure out what you guys are going to say. I mean, did trump support the guy. . . or perhaps he didn't? Maybe it is important. But then when loses he isn't important. It is always confusing. I mean Steve Bannon is pissed. . . but is Steve Bannon really important in trumpland? Because that one time he went up against trump, he got body slammed. I dunno. This has turned in to China's communist revolution, when Mao kept the revolution going constantly. He created new conspiracy theories every single day. Then the populace, simply policed itself. He didn't have to.

https://www.newsweek.com/steve-bannon-bolsonaro-brazil-election-lula-1755696

Steve Bannon Says Bolsonaro Can't Concede As He Rails Against Biden and CIA

Steve Bannon, the former White House strategist to Donald Trump, has called on Brazilian President Jair Bolsonaro not to concede after he lost the country's presidential election to left-wing candidate Luiz Inácio Lula da Silva.

A far-right leader who has attracted support from a number of Trump allies, Bolsonaro became the first incumbent to lose a re-election campaign in Brazil after being narrowly beaten by Lula, who gained 50.9 percent of the vote compared with Bolsonaro's 49.1 percent.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2022/10/30/police-accused-delaying-voters-going-polls-jair-bolsonaro-trails/

[Anonymous]

Certainly possible. The United States whether it be right or wrong has a long history of interfering in the elections of other countries through various means as well as organising regime change espicially in South and central America and this had been going on for over a hundred years since the banana wars. We won't know for a few decades what the US has done there.

The outgoing president has in the past questioned the legitimacy of the 2020 US presidential elections which is foolish thing for him to do, the Biden administion would tolerate his human rights violations, anti trans, homophobia, pro trump conservative etc if his government is economically good for the US economy but questioning the internal politics of the US and suggesting the electoral process of the US is undemocratic that shit is not going to stand. Truthfully we dont know whats been done, could be as simple as the US withdrawing support and funding for his election campaign, could be the CIA undermining him through propaganda and bribery, could be they backed his rivial but a message had to be sent to every other leader of South and central America and to the new leader of Brazil and that is don't fuck with America. That is not a liberal or conservative agenda, its not a Biden administration decision.

If ex Brazil president Jair Bolsonaro states once again that the 2020 US presidential election isn't legitimate he will meet with an accident.

[RolandCuthbert]

So basically what you are saying is since anything is possible then all of your conspiracy theories are true.

Why can't my conspiracy theories be true? My theory is that Godzilla did it.

At this point there is no such thing as fact. There is only your political goals. So you align events to support the goals you seek.

[Opinion Owner]

It's possible Godzillia did do it, that is if Godzilla had a long 100 year history of interfering, influencing and fixing elections in South America.

[RolandCuthbert]

That's what I am saying. So why pretend that you speak truth based upon some fact? In your belief system everything is true. Even lies, the flat earth, lizard aliens, and the bubble gum universe.

[Opinion Owner]

All I said was that it was possible not that it happened. I told no lies. The US government has been interfering in the elections of many countries for decades

[RolandCuthbert]

But I didn't tell any lie either. Godzilla may have tipped the scales and he may not have. Anything is possible, right? So I am just doing my job and anticipating all the crazy conspiracy theories that could be possible.

[Opinion Owner]

Thing about conspiracy theories is that often they turn out to be true ie US Government's history of interfering in foreign elections.

[CALIGVLA]

According to your batshit neocon zealotry, President Lula is a far-right extremist. 😆

[CALIGVLA]

Take your meds before reading this. Lula doesn't care about your neocon feelings. Lol!!!

https://time.com/6173232/lula-da-silva-transcript/

[RolandCuthbert]

Why are you here? You threatened to delete and censor my posts. I am not going to let you shit all over my thread with your nonsense.

[CALIGVLA]

Thank you for the Most Helpful Opinion!

[Sidnei]

I'm Brazilian. No, there was no voter fraud. SEVERAL investigations were done on ALL sides and found no flaws or hacks. The problem is right-wing retards who are living in an unrealistic world. We are in a very complicated situation. Nazis and Fascists who previously didn't dare to show up now make Nazi signs at demonstrations. The thing is so crazy that they are even believing that aliens will come down and remove Lula from power. I swear, I'm not kidding, they really did call for aliens. Not only that, they also said prayers and sang around a TIRE!

[RolandCuthbert]

I understand you. We have entered a dangerous new era. It just seems that human beings are unable to learn from the past. Somehow. . nazis are popular again. Some people really think that they can use violence to force their political vision others. So it looks like we are going to be doing this all over again.

[DryGermanGuy]

You're opening a can of worms here, Roland! :-D

But I am sure someone will come out with the Brazilian conspiracy equivalent of the "Jewish space lasers" tale.

[RolandCuthbert]

It was going to be opened. Every non-American in this forum needs to be on alert. The weird insane trumplicans here, project their politics outward to every continent, every nation, and every society.

Their version of this make-believe Conservative movement is in conflict with freedom all over the world.

That's why they are sided with Putin in Ukraine conflict.

That's why they invited the dictator Orban to speak at CPAC.

That's why they are now whining about the election in Brazil.

This movement is insanely irrational, hypocritical and disingenuous. At least you could understand what the nazis were driving at. But this body is not married to an actual ideology save their views on race and their obsession with control".

[Still-alive]

Only to fascists. they don't care about reality. they like creating their own version of reality

[RolandCuthbert]

Yes, and it is so telling that they see this as a worldwide movement. Just like the nazis, the "communists", etc.

They have some pre-ordained right to install their form of rule worldwide.

[Still-alive]

yup they are trying to create their own new world order.. one world government it seems... the very thing they say they are against especially with the qanon conspiracy movement.

[goaded]

They don't mind a One World Government as long as it's also a One Party Government.

[Anonymous]

I don’t care. I don’t live in Brazil. Their election means nothing to me and it should mean nothing to you unless you’re a Brazilian.

🇧🇷 👍

[RolandCuthbert]

Yawn. You will care little incel. And not only will you claim fraud in Brazil. You will claim fraud wherever a xenophobic racist leader loses an election.

Just wait.

[MadClown]

No! Just because the US doesn’t like the president doesn’t mean its a fraud.

[RolandCuthbert]

It is weirder than that. If anyone whom trump endorses loses, then that person was cheated.

[MountAverage]

Every time one of these proto-fascists loses an election, it is election fraud. OBVIOUSLY!

[RolandCuthbert]

We are in the new dark ages.

[DiegoO]

There was no fraud there. It was a regid result. Brasil is polarized as hell.

[RolandCuthbert]

It is so weird that trumplicans can look at Brazil. .. and see the same polarization.

How do they do that?

[DiegoO]

I honestly don't know what they see. Political fanatism is completely irrational. Just remember what I said about the Sandinistas, trying to migrate to the US and its allies countries.

It doesn't make any sense. Why they would avoid Venezuela, Cuba and Russia? Why would they seek a better life in the "evil" empire?

[RolandCuthbert]

Yeah, it is irrational. Just wondering. I mean, they neatly order the entire world into their insane ideology. . . and everyone else. It is just fascinating.

[DiegoO]

Don't even try to rationalize with them. Worst if they—or their leader—ever get to achieve the political power, they dreamed of.

[RolandCuthbert]

Well, I will try reasoning with them from time to time. Every once in a great while you can reach understanding.

It is worth the exercise.

But sure, the vast majority have no real rationality one can follow.

[OddBeMe]

Hope not.. only spot of liberal light lately.

[RolandCuthbert]

Hope not?

[OddBeMe]

Yes I hope the liberal leader didn’t get to power illegally. Do you?