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Maybe it was seem less threatening to others if we just said, we matter also. Still inclusive but the main focus is still there.
I believe everybody is so sensitive. I am missing the point of what Black Lives Matter. Movement was all about and still Liz about which is police brutality, and to take a second look at someone not for what they look like.
Black Lives Matter Too would've been a far better slogan that wouldn't have triggered as many people from the start. I also think that it was just called "Black Lives Matter" somewhat deliberately to cause a division and as much racial tension as possible. I think that group profited off of stoking the flames of racial division, rather than gaining support. Black Lives Matter Too is a concept everyone should be able to support.
I think it’s crazy how it’s triggering because it’s only just saying that the people that were dying were mainly black for no reason.
The whole point was to have fair treatment. And there’s been several studies, showing one person carrying an A. R. 15 that was black shot on the spot. Another person of another race was only looked over
It's just in the wording of the protest slogan, not the actual cause.
By just saying "Black Lives Matter" it gives room for it to be misinterpreted as "Only Black Lives Matter." They had to have known that it would be controversial and contentious when they thought of it. Black Lives Matter Too would've been clearer to the point, and it would've attracted more empathy rather than what they did. If you're fighting for equality you have to make sure that the message represents that, otherwise it can be misinterpreted as a call for supremacy to some.
I guess you’re right everybody’s overly sensitive but it’s wrong and they know that they’re not saying that but yet it is triggering for people which is also sad
Yeah there's always potential for problems when you have an angry group protesting and shouting a phrase that doesn't seem inclusive. You will have racist people on the other side ready to exploit that, and distract from the cause by making it about "All Lives Matter."
In my opinion just calling it "Black Lives Matter" was a mistake done out of spite to make White people uncomfortable and it worked. Unfortunately dividing people isn't how you get massive, love and support during an already difficult time.
I'm not saying that calling it "Black Lives Matter Too" would've fixed everything because the organization was already struggling with their own corruption and problems, but calling it that would've stopped it from turning into a debate about whether all lives matter or black lives matter and distracting from the cause in my opinion.
Yeah, there’s like a group of people that are processing that they were never included and then a group of people that’s just including themselves into a situation that doesn’t even need to be.
All they want to do is level the playing field same opportunities same school same situation is the Whole American dream sort of speak
What's wrong with, "All lives matter"?
@yajana So? Isn't that better than supporting a "movement" that's only out to rip off the very people that support it AND the people they CLAIM they're supporting? How many mansions hAs this woman already bought with the money given to her by stupid assholes that THINK they're helping black people? And, she wants to buy another one!! Yeah!! GREAT cause!!
We don't HAVE to protest for a change, just calling out the sheer stupidity of the, so-called, "movement" and the idiots that support it is enough! If black lives matter why does blm continue to destroy black lives and steal from them?
WHERE is the progress blm has made? All I'VE seen from them is destruction and lies!!
"But yeah". What exactly does that mean?
1. The movement didn't rip off people an organization did. Which many people did not know exist. I don't understand how there could be a set leader to a movement.
2. what would you do for change instead of protest.
3. Calling out a part of the another movement it doesn't do anything because you're not arguing for change you're trying to pick apart someone who already is. Sure you can say bad things happened but don't act like you're making any progress.
4. If you only see a certain way of course you're only going to see the bad parts.
5. I said but yeah because I wasn't going to talk more about it. Not all people that say all lives matter act like that.
The response is, why does "ALL lives matter" trigger hate from blm people? What part of ALL don't they get?
@yajana 1. Same thing!! well, SHE OBVIOUSLY thinks of herself as the leader!
2. Converse CIVILLY! burning up cities and killing your own people sure as fuck ain't gonna do it!!
3. What progress has blm made by destroying cities and killing their own people?
4. What other parts are there? Did they BOTHER to SHOW us ANY of the good parts?
5. But yeah.
1. thinking you are the leader does not make you one
2. not everyone who supports BLM was a part of that but you can say that was a bad and you can criticize it sure.
3. Do you think that no person who support to BLM has ever "conversed civilly"
4. I think showing awareness and showing that there is a problem that needs to be solved is a step for progress. If you don't that's fine. But even some people treated blm like a trend anyways.
5. copying how I speak isn't going to do anything to me. I'd rather you just respond to what I say instead of trying to be condescending.
@yajana "No all lives matter"? What does that mean? I've never heard anyone say that before!
Oh, you mean because we're not stupid enough to burn down entire cities because we believe all lives matter?
@yajana 1. Tell HER that!!
2. If you support blm you might as well say you took part in the riots! Just because a lot of people just SUPPORTED the nazis, that didn't make them any better!! They were just as guilty in the eyes of the world!!
3. Doesn't look to me like they ever did! Did they BOTHER to ASK to have those statues removed? FUCK NO!! They just tore them down for the sake of tearing them down AGAINST most peoples' wishes!! I HARDLY all that, civility!! How would they like it if we went around burning down all their houses and destroying everything THEY owned? Do you HONESTLY think they would sit still for one nano-second for that?
4. That's NOT even CLOSE to what they did!! THEY DESTROYED!! THEY KILLED!! THEY ROBBED!! HOW is THAT gonna solve ANY problem? All they did was create MORE problems!! DISCUSSING the issues and TRYING to solve the problems is PROGRESS!!
5. it's a trend!! I just wanted to jump on the bandwagon!! But yeah.
1. I don't know that lady
2. Comparing Nazis to Black lives matter is weird. There are people that peacefully protest for black lives matter and that does not change because there are people that rioted. If you want to blame the people that rioted then blame them but don't act like it changes what other people believe in.
3. Don't ask a question if you don't want an answer, if you just wanted someone to argue with just say that.
4. People have burned down people's houses and destroyed towns but that's another story not related to this
5. I didn't mean to trend in a good way I meant that some just wanted to virtue signal
@yajana well said. There can be a positive movement and crazy people within it. Look at acorn great for changes within low income housing in there can be one bad seed that ruins the bunch
@yajana 2. Isn't that what you;'re SUPPOSED to do? Besides, look at all the nazi's destroyed and killed for their bullshit cause! Ring any bells?
So? There were peaceful nazi supporters, too!! That doesn't make it a good cause!! what ANYONE from blm supports IS BULLSHIT!!!
3. YOU'RE doing al the arguing! If you can't ANSWER any of the questioned posed to you, STOP RESPONDING! Obviously, you don't HAVE any answers and just deflect!
4. Yeah, arsonists and other political idiots that think destruction is the ONLY answer!!
5. Isn't that what the left is good at? You know, like, "We're a sanctuary city!!" But, the second they GET some of the people that WANT sanctuary, they ship them off to a place that ISN'T a sanctuary city and start screaming, "Not in MY back yard!!"
1. Peaceful Nazi supporters? Explain that to me.
2. I answered the question you asked which is what's wrong with all lives matter. You proceeded to make fun of the way I speak, curse, in excessively use explanation marks for no reason.
3. If you keep responding to me with questions I'm going to answer because otherwise people make assumptions about people.
4. Supporting black lives matter doesn't mean you're leftist
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Black Lives Matter is and always was a Neo-Marxism campaign financed by George Soros to demoralize and divide the Western world; mainly America, and to capitalize off of race baiting and social justice bigotry while billionaires cleaned up from the chaos they created. Like a more successful branch of ANTIFA. The three dyke founders of BLM have already confirmed this, years ago.
BLM was literally never about "police brutality;" not even back when it first started in 2013 when Treyvon Martin was killed by George Zimmerman (not that 99% of BLM retards even remember Treyvon or still give a f*ck about him, do they?) They just trick, manipulate, and control people using fear mongering, hatred, and propaganda, just like any well-funded cult.
To answer the question, no, it would still be offensive to others because actions speak louder than words, and it was never about "inclusivity" to begin with. Including white people runs contrary to the message and goal of reintroducing segregation, turning the dumbest and most paranoid black Americans into scared victims eating out of the hand of the Democratic party, and demoralizing America into destruction while the richer get richer and the poor get poorer.
I honestly feel sorry for ANYONE stupid enough to believe Black Lives Matter was ever a "positive thing." I literally knew what they were all about back in 2013. Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton, and Louis Farrakhan spent the entire 90s doing this race-baiting-to-get-rich bullsh*t! BLM is nothing new! I'm just surprised people were still THIS retarded to fall for this race scam sh*t, even twenty years after those three hucksters and con artists did it to black America in the 90s.
Also, to point out the extremely obvious, to stupid people: NO ONE EVER SAID "BLACK LIVES DON'T MATTER!" EVER! BLM in itself is a redundant movement operating on a total strawman/lie!
The whole point is the whole entire purpose was to put Black people on the same level as everybody else not have any type of preconceived notions about them not see one person with a a cell phone and think it’s immediately a gun. Taking out the stereotype. There is a show on Netflix called 100 humans and they actually tested out the theory whether the person had a gun or they had a cell phone and they had a chance to be in a gun range and shoot that prejudice get all the Black people killed even the person that they knew.
Black people just don’t want to be feared for things that they don’t even do on a regular basis. A lot of people scream Christianity but if they actually practice it Black people would never hurt anybody and I’m not talking about circumstantial situation, such as them being on the streets and have to fend for their family or any type of situation, we mean pure Christianity turn the other cheek type of situation, I don’t think people truly get how much you have to fear being in a place because you’re not the right color or somebody’s going to fear you because you’re not the right color the shade of your skin frightens people
Yes, things can be learned over time and taught in the comfort of their own home and have to be relearn when they step outside of their home like college and how it’s so diverse, it gives you other ideas of how the world works or could work
Black people were already on the same level as everyone else, and this hateful bigoted anti-white movement of thugs and criminals was never needed. This is like someone coming up to you and making up an imaginary problem you never knew you had, and then saying for $49.99 a month, they'll take care of said imaginary problem for you.
1. There are 350+ million people in America, yet "black killings by police officers" is so rampant and supposedly common, we literally see EVERY SINGLE ONE on the news, whenever it happens and everyone makes a big deal out of it. How TF is it going to be super common, yet everyone makes a big deal out of it whenever it happens every 3 to 6 months or so? If it was that common, no one would care and we'd all be desensitized and used to it by now.
2. Black crime is real. I know BLM wants to pretend like it doesn't exist, but black crime exists. It is rampant in America. And only an idiot would think pointing out facts (that rappers rap about in all of their songs) is "racist." But instead of tackling THE SOURCE of black crime, poverty and wealth inequality, they'd rather scam other black people out of money, and you all willingly let them do it, without a shred of self awareness involved. When TF has BLM ever donated more books to schools or uplifted any black people out of poverty besides themselves with the money they scammed?
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The ones selling you fear and paranoia are BLM and the woke Democrats, like I said. All cults do this. They do it with "rape culture" regarding feminists, they do it with so-called "homophobia" regarding gays and lesbians, they even do this with "Trump supporter terrorists and insurrectionists" regarding Lefists themselves.
There IS no "police brutality" problem in America. There is a "black crime" problem in America, and it affects blacks more than anyone. Anyone who doesn't think there is, has either never lived in the Ghetto, so should shut their f*cking mouths about it. Or know it's a reality and that police stopping black criminals, is a symptom of a bigger issue, that no one wants to talk about.
No, I have been learning about racial injustice from a child even seeing it in action with my father, who is a military veteran. They’re not on the same level I know you may have gotten what you needed and you may have a wonderful childhood and whatever. But in reality not everybody has the same upbringing weren’t given to say opportunity specially being and not being able to fight for better. Siri was not implanted by just to be a BLM movement. It was implanted by history know it’s already been going on. AND ANOTHER THING NOBODY IS ANTIWHITE ITS ANTI-INJUSTICE.
@RealMarek I don't know if you're talking to me
@RealMarek I didn’t have to speculate because they’ve already specified. Most of the things that actually happen to Black people doesn’t apply to him so obviously he had a different upbringing different opportunities
@Justneedtokno
I guarantee you and would bet money on it that I had a worse childhood than 99.9% of every single person on GAG. So you couldn't be further from the truth on that one. You can read my MyTakes on it. I'm just not a victim looking for handouts due to my race. And BLM is fervently and legitimately anti-white, in addition to being anti-cop and anti-conservative. How many more people have to die over this retarded hate-filled sh*t coming from them and other bigots like them?
What makes people so adamant to get brainwashed into such hate movements like this? Especially considering most so called "victims of racism" are just upper middle class snowflakes under the age of 24 taking one or two people out of their entire lives and trying to say "everyone's racist!" At this point, that term has lost all meaning. Racism is mostly a meaningless term now, due to all these snowflakes overusing for any and every little irrelevant microtransaction.
And yes, I've dealt with "racism" too, but hardly enough for it to be my entire identity. Because I don't let assholes dictate who I am as a person.
@Justneedto
"Anyone who doesn't agree with me must be privileged because all black people are pathetic victims, waaaaaah!"
He's right, you do sound like a complete fucking idiot saying that. This is almost the same thing as Biden's "If you don't vote for me, you ain't black" shit.
I'd *almost* be offended considering your fragile mentality proves you've had a softer childhood than I have, considering actual people who've gone through actual suffering become HARDER and TOUGHER in life, not softer and weaker like you are, but I don't have to prove anything to you, nor validate my experiences to internet strangers wallowing in self-pity because they're weak people and by extension, want to project that onto all other black people to excuse their own weakness and victimhood.
I guess uplifting yourself out of the ghetto and not being a whiny crybaby that joins retarded cults like BLM and blaming all your problems on whitey, cops, and Trump supporters is just "privileged shit," huh? And the sad thing is, you don't realize just how insulting that is to other black people in how much you infantilize them in such a manner.
But I know it's all excuses to cover your own life. Cause why take accountability for yourself, when you can just blame cops, white people, and Trump? But yeah, *I'm* the fucking "privileged" one here...
So the people that have die you don’t think that’s inhumane
@Justneedtokno
The people who BLM have murdered, almost entirely other black people, not that their race matters, are directly contributing more to the problem than anything else.
And yeah, I didn't an expect an apology or admission of being wrong from you for being out of line and assuming anyone who doesn't swallow your woke rhetoric must be some rich, out-of-touch privileged kid or anything like that. Sure; just ignore all of that and pretend like you never said it.
Well, that’s just like the hall debate against Booker T. Washington and WEB, Du Bois, with the talented 10th and the compromise. It’s fine to pull yourself from your own bootstraps, but understand that others played a part in helping you up. Which everybody feels to realize either you knew somebody or someone decided to take a chance on you, however, the case may be you have to understand, it isn’t always easy as I stated before my point on the matter is the title alone, and on top of it with everything being started off with an agenda in the beginning, good intentions, like they say, pave the road to hill, you think you may be having a good idea on certain things, but others can turn it quickly into the wrong thing more people involved sometimes can mean a demise and sometimes the system is fucking broken and it doesn’t mean that it cannot be improved as time goes on, and as history has already stated we’ve tried these things, and we now have to redo, and re-teach relearn restructure there were a bunch of failures before they became great.
For a group of people that claim that cancel culture and sensitivity is ruining the youth, white conservatives get really butthurt when somebody mentions BLM. I didn't know we were in the business of not offending people, if they think that the name is politically incorrect and it needs to have "all" in it, then that's their problem.
If your whole problem with a movement is its name, then you have to be trolling. Names are useless to be fair, it's the principle that counts. I guarantee you that if we changed the name of the movement, they still would not support it.
I think any offence taken is fake. It never was "Only Black Lives Matter", and "White Lives Matter", etc. are attempts to belittle a genuine grievance. The right wing is really good at that.
That said, missing out the "too" fed in to that distraction, still not as badly as "de-fund the police", which was a really poor choice of words for "spend more on reducing crime".
I think there's a huge overlap between "blue lives matter" people and anti-vaccine/anti-maskers, which is ironic considering covid killed five times as many law enforcement officers in 2021 as firearms or traffic accidents.
https://www.npr.org/2022/01/12/1072411820/law-enforcement-deaths-2021-covid
For myself only I don’t think that we need to defund the police. I think we need to retrain the idea of the stereotype that the police have on Black people or not all criminals just by skin color.
I agree. More training, especially in de-escalation. Maybe not so many ex-military armoured vehicles, though.
Have you ever heard of the Peelian Principles, from around 1829 in London? One of them is: "To recognise always that the test of police efficiency is the absence of crime and disorder, and not the visible evidence of police action in dealing with them."
Yes, because think about it the reason why the police is there is to protect and serve well you should understand what community you are serving in. If you’re going to be able to protect it I wish I can make yours most helpful opinion also.
I don't think most people were any more or less upset by name but more upset by the hypocricy and Marxist division tactics they used.
They made heros our of disgusting and vile thugs like Trevon and Brown while ignoring the innocent thousands who've died from stray gang violence criminal activity.
Also, color doesn't have s life or a voice, a person does. Marxists love dehumanizing people to their skin color, wallet size, ethnicity, or whatever to tear people apart into petty hateful groups.
People are becoming "woke" to it.
Well the term itself has become inextricable from the Marxist movement of the same namesake. The BLM organisation is a huge money laundering scam, despite claiming to be a "collective" with "no centralised leadership". They're inflaming racial tensions to guilt donors into financing the lavish lifestyles of those at the top. How could the term itself not be regarded as suspect when those parading it around make zero effort to separate themselves from the eponymous scam organisation?
Too little too late; now that this supposedly SJW organization has been exposed as patently fraudulent, who cares what they call themselves? Ell oh ell! Same reason young’ns don’t know what “March of Dimes” is nowadays. You smurfed the very people you claimed to be standing up for? We’ll happily promote you to first in line to burn in the pits of Hades. Ell oh ell!
No, I don't think so. Black Lives Matter is not aggressive, it's a way of saying that enough is enough!
It bothers all racists because they don't know what BLM stands for and they don't want to see black people thriving and being treated like human beings.
They were disliked for all the burning looting and murdering they did to hold hypocritically calling other groups terrorists. They were disliked because the leaders spent all the guilt or protection money on themselves. They were disliked for being racists. They were disliked for provoking unnecessary violence. None of that would be fixed by a title change.
@yajana I don’t understand why we have to pick and choose who matters; don’t we all matter? Isn’t it the definition of racism to elevate one group over another based on the race?
@yajana Because it’s a racist organization that fleeces people for their money by hiding behind a hypocritical slogan—all while rioting.
And people like you go, “Why’re you saying that about BLM!”
Ridiculous.
@yajana my answer to that is actually going to be a description of an event that happened during a BLM riot in my city. In the course of the arson and riot and violence, a Group of BLM rioters smashed their way into a restaurant and threatened diners with violence unless they raised the black power fist. They only harassed white people.
@Sixgunsound people take advantage of things. You can say the riots were bad, you can say the organization was bad. But you can't say that everyone who supports BLM agrees with that.
Then you need to specify if we’re talking about corporate or the followers? Even at that point, how do you reliably differentiate?
My issue was with corporate and their stated policies. People who just want to march and parades and burn things can be dealt with by local police departments.
You can differentiate by saying the organization instead of the movement or the people who were the riots instead of generalizing. And a lot of people don't even know who the "leaders" you are talking about are. Even then I'm confused of how a movement could have a "leader" in that way.
@yajana does it bother to you that you were fleeced and taken advantage of by an organization that had an opportunity to make real and lasting change, but chose self-aggrandizement and embezzlement instead?
I've never supported the organization in the first place and I knew the phrase BLM before I even knew there was an organization in the first place. So I was never taken advantage of. I never donated to them in the first place. I do feel bad for people who truly thought they were making a change by donating to those people.
@yajana fair enough. My brother actually marched in the riot to ensure that he had progressive bona fides credentials for his employer. How does it make you feel the sheer number of white people scoring progressive points off of a black organization?
@yajana I’m not really certain what that is myself, but apparently, among progressive liberals, you have to take personal risks to demonstrate you are a sufficiently bonded ally
It’s kind of like in order to join the communist party in the Soviet Union, you had to prove you were sufficiently loyal, and be willing to be seen publicly, doing humiliating work.
But that fits in perfectly with an avowed Marxist front group, which publicly stated it’s position in that matter multiple times.
I've never heard of that. I do remember when I was younger being so happy so many people were supporting. But I realized that I was probably looking at it with heart eyes because some of those things were just for likes. I don't think that's all non black people who were supporting though.
The problem is, why is it triggering in who murdered who no one but nobody is the flames or torches or killed anyone in the movement never other people outside of it that weren’t real protesters
At the time it was highly useful for the government, which is pushing for a Civil War to dress up their agents as members of BLM, or later in 2020 to dress up their agents as Trump supporters in order to promote their vision of social change. I still have all the problems in the world with the guilt tripping embezzlement, theft, rioting, arson, and beatings, promoted by communists at the actual organization corporate level though. The revolution failed.
I think people that didn’t like them before the other portion started happening. They really just didn’t like Black people and I know it’s hard to sit there and hear that but it’s OK we understand
@Justneedtokno I followed you because historically you have had insights into the human condition that were fairly impressive. But if this is the best you can do I see cause to reconsider that opinion. I’m not mad, more disappointed in you. There was so much potential but you took the cheap easy way out, oversimplification by way of repeating propaganda talking points with no thought or effort or nuance involved. You used to try harder, what changed?
I think equal affect triggering, Black people when saying all lives matter is taking wait attention to what they are trying to do. Which is yes, all lives matter, but but the least that matter to America is Black people. Is Sims from the beginning?
Lol you know me and my grandmother was having a discussion because there’s a political realm where people are anti-but then you have people that are fighting the anti-so that means therefore it correct that’s very common sense understanding. And like others there is no gray area, right
Honestly, I’m there for the actual fight of things not a movement not a donations of anything actually going talking to people and getting people to understand is the only way. Letters and sometimes they actually do work. It takes a long time there’s no physical fight behind certain things, but making changes at a slow pace, has actually worked, I know someone right now that worked their way from the bottom was thrown in jail, went to protest, written letters, and actually got their way into government me on the other hand I’m not trying to be in politics
@yajana sorry you were roped into this, but you can do the drop-down menu and shoes. I don’t want to see this.
The whole entire purpose was to put Black people on the same level as everybody else not have any type of preconceived notions about them not see one person with a a cell phone and think it’s immediately a gun. Taking out the stereotype. There is a show on Netflix called 100 humans and they actually tested out the theory whether the person had a gun or they had a cell phone and they had a chance to be in a gun range and shoot that prejudice get all the Black people killed even the person that they knew.
Black people just don’t want to be feared for things that they don’t even do on a regular basis. A lot of people scream Christianity but if they actually practice it Black people would never hurt anybody and I’m not talking about circumstantial situation, such as them being on the streets and have to fend for their family or any type of situation, we mean pure Christianity turn the other cheek type of situation, I don’t think people truly get how much you have to fear being in a place because you’re not the right color or somebody’s going to fear you because you’re not the right color the shade of your skin frightens people
Yes, things can be learned over time and taught in the comfort of their own home and have to be relearn when they step outside of their home like college and how it’s so diverse, it gives you other ideas of how the world works or could work
It's also pertaining to the fact that Black lives are still not as valued as other lives are. That's what the movement means that black matter too. The problem is, a bunch of people have taken that movement and twisted it to where they view it as ONLY black lives matter. That is not the main focus of this. I for one am a big believer of All lives matter. But all lives can't matter until Black lives start to matter. Because right now, they don't.
You sound like the sort of dumbass who would have stood and complained that the slaves rioting, back in the day, was making them look bad.
You're just too much of a pinhead to see that the people in a corner either need to fight or die. They don't give a shit about dandies like you.
Hmm I was just talking about the wording and title
1) Black Lives Matter was started on lies
2) Police brutality is a problem that affects all races
3) Black people - as a proportion of their interactions with police are less likely to be killed than whites
4) Cops are more likely to be shot by black people than vice versa.
You good with those facts?
I need articles and other things those aren’t real facts to me because if we look at history, and we look at where it came from, there’s the majority sitting in jail black the majority. It is only now that a bunch of things have been documented, but think about all the deaths that happen and it has not been documented Jeffrey Dahmer.
You're capable of looking up all that information. Yes, the majority in prison are black people because black people commit the majority of crimes.
I have and your information doesn’t support the information that I found. Yes, there are a high number of Black people, but they’re also wrongful convictions as well. He looks like the person that did it less put him in jail.
How many unjustifiable homicides were there between cops and black people last year?
Yeah, but let's be honest, anyone with a brain knows it's really "Only SOME black lives matter under specific circumstances" They should just be honest and call it "Thug Lives Matter". Even if they still looted and rioted, people would respect them far more for being honest about what the actually stand for. Plus, I think the Bureau of Land Managment should sue their ass for stealing their acronym. Everytime I search for a BLM campground, I get pictures of CHAZ and CHOP.
BLM was a scam for money. The creators now live in multi-million dollar mansions in white neighborhoods. They never accepted that other lives matter too and one girl was shot dead for saying it out loud. All of this is easily found in news articles.
That's exaclty what the slogan stands for--that they matter TOO--in a country where they are not accepted or treated as such.
No. The people who are offended by it decided to be offended by it long before anyone came up with it.
Makes it less catchy though
Ever notice how people like to chant three worded phrases, like "lock him up", it's always three words. "black lives matter, too", just doesn't roll off the tongue
The group has way more problems than it's name TBH.. It started off rough.. Just terrorizing neighborhoods and burning things down.. Like that's gonna make people come to their side..
I was saying in the beginning and they weren’t doing any of those things in the beginning it’s like boiled tension. You’re trying to be peaceful the entire time, and yet get trampled over walked over people died, however, much and still call yourselves Christians and turn the other cheek when lol people are dying, and it makes people angry. There are other people outside of that were placed in to do certain things not saying that some Black people did not participate in the rioting, but it was definitely not their intentions or goals to do that. Why would you burn down a city that you’re living and working in it doesn’t really make sense, right?
I wouldn't say they were that exactly.. I mean there were riots when MLK Jr died and those riots ruined Detroit for the long run, not to mention in other places.. I definitely know there were riots in Ferguson where Michael Brown got shot.. And they did that over something that was false.. With especially George Floyd nobody and I mean nobody turned a blind eye.. Even the Conser is were thinking how bad it was and condemning the officers for it.. But they still went onto riot and the leaders never denounced any of it until they were called out.. Sure there were agitators coming in and helping to destroy neighborhoods, but BLM helped to facilitate that destruction, and you also had people on T. V making passionate excuses for them. Truth is yes we are dying, but it's not to police violence for the majority part.. I always had to worry about getting shot by a gangbanger than the police..
@JDavid25
You hit the nail on the head. I guarantee you I grew up poorer than 99% of the idiots in BLM and I had to worry more about black crime than I did corrupt police officers (who never even into the Ghetto, to begin with). And then people want to act like black crime ain't a thing when the very rappers they listen to talk about it in every sing they do, including 50 "got shot nine times" Cent.
The ironic thing is, we already had a movement to try to tackle the TRUE cause of black crime, wealth inequality, along with everyone else being screwed in America, and that was 2011's Occupy Wall Street. But that got co-opted by the wealth and used back against everyone, spawning all the social justice hate mob groups like BLM, ANTIFA, Fourth-wave feminism, Woke Culture, Cancel Culture, and everything else in the last eleven years. "Whitey" or "pigs with badges" or "Trump/Trump supporters" aren't the enemy; the elites are. (Especially Democratic elites; but political sides don't matter too much with them.) And those same elites managed to get all the groups causing their suffering, to eat out of their hands in a matter of a few years to the point we even got black thugs in the ghetto on Biden and Kamala's nuts. It's shameful how so many people are so foolish to get so easily manipulated by the ones keeping them impoverished.
And I know you don’t blame the riots for MLK. When he was also trying to have a peaceful, quiet protest going through churches.
You can have wonderful movements and agendas, and it could be tarnished by one person or people outside of what they are trying to truly accomplish and it changes for the worse when in fact, it was never about that in the beginning, and what’s wrong with changing society standards on things that should be changed why do all Black people have to be put in some type of system, and Sit there in gentrified afterwards they didn’t know choices and then end up on the low income housing or some type of assistance from the government when they’re just trying to make it they’re always going to be placed in the system by any family member that puts them on their list
@Justneedtokno
Almost ALL groups, cults, and political movements, end up changing what their "message was in the beginning" for as long as there's profit to be made. Literally EVERY SINGLE. GROUP. And like I said, BLM was never about what it claimed to be, anyway.
That's why IF groups are going to be formed like this, they need a specific goal, and a specific endgame. As in, achieve their changes, by a certain time, and dissolve. Otherwise, they will get co-opted and become all about profit and corruption. No matter what political side they are on.
Look at how many mega churches Christian preachers and pastors have, and how many live in mansions. Look at all the feminist con artists and professional whiners out there. Even Germany's National Socialists (Nazis) started out by trying to repair the broken German economy following World War I. Literally all of history teaches us that power corrupts and even in damn near 2023, people STILL don't seem to know that.
So no, this isn't unique to BLM (which was never "pure" to begin with, like I said), this happens with ALL political groups. So saying "at least they started out good" means nothing. The Road To Hell is Paved With Good Intentions.
@MCheetah Yes sir.. It's all a farce.. The elites are the real enemy.. The people who only want more power fooling the masses to pick sides.. It's an age old race to Oligarchy and Dictatorship.. Funny thing is most "Black" people know they don't really have to worry about the police and in fact many want more police in the hood.. But for some reason you have these middle class suburbanites ("Black" and "White") and the thugs trying to act like they can make decisions for average everyday person in the ghetto.
I wasn't blaming MLK Jr. Just saying that riots happened after he died.. He had nothing to do with them.. If a movement can be tarnished so easily, then that shows me it was never a great movement in the first place.. Truth is the "Black" community bring the vast majority of our problems on ourselves.. By not making good choices, indulging in degenerate culture and then putting down and making fun of people who don't.. Not encouraging getting an education and not listening to the ones who actually lived through something in the past. When the Jews first came to America they lived in the Projects basically.. Poor poverty stricken housing with a whole bunch of families.. Now the Jews are one of the riches groups.. They didn't try and gain political power, or constantly cry about wanting handouts and for the dominant group to acknowledge them and help them. They worked and worked hard to accomplish what they achieved.. The "Black" Community started off slowly building themselves up, and the government came in and stifled that growth..
Well, my main focus was the name of the group and the original message all the Exter seems like destroying the message
yes that would be more clear.
It's the wrong direction in my view, but I realize there are others that believe it's right on point in their perspective.
What do you mean wrong direction?
It's all about fear disguised as respect.
The issue is cultural divide coming out of the real abuses of the past. Traumas, experiences, training (family, education, media)... beliefs of who they are defines emotional responses in stressful situations. Resulting behavior causes %failure rate higher in black and "racism" perception. Imagine difference between Al Sharpton and Candace Ownens... very different viewpoints, similar color.
Negative to society in terms of security, crime, and likely further divides black people by experience.. e. g. black people refer to this as "uncle tom's" and "black people". there's different cultural experiences.
Propagates the abuses put upon black people in history onto others in society.. e. g. many have been hurt and killed in the name of BLM. Difficult to enforce laws due to fear of "black" reprisal via BLM and or
Creates false expectations for black people their lives are improved by BLM. While other kids/cultures study hard, I'd bet a lot of black kids are traumatized by it all... and thus held back.
Does not take responsibility for behavior and thus puts full blame on someone else. This item may hurt because "black people" behave based upon their conditioning, which was the fault of others andnow I'm telling them to take responsibility. But part of any relationship is to take ownership of ones behavior. Popular African Americans have called out the behavior of black people as part of the problem, BLM ignores that.
I'm sure I can think of a better approach, but it's hard work. Asking people to change is always difficult, but that is what is required. Many innocent people are paying the price due to the unresolved conflict from the past.
Do you understand what I just said? If not, I'll send you other videos to watch to get further perspective. Social media (google, etc..) makes it all worse because it filters for what you already watch... thus we get stuck in our perspectives.
It doesn't matter what you call it. People know violent communist coups when they see them. Brand it what you want, people will see through it and know you're the enemy of free civilization.
You really think they are communist how
I know they are... Their founders claim to be trained Marxist Socialists openly in interviews, but in action they focus specifically on violent revolution. Think about their behavior... How did they try to take government and make demands? They took to the streets looted and burned businesses, attacked innocent women and the elderly, they executed children while they were riding their bicycles on the street, burned people in their homes, physically intimidated people at the poll booths to rig elections in Democrat cities, etc. All of this is characteristic of Chinese Maoist Communism. This is what Red Guard do by the book. That's really the ideological difference between the Soviet School and the Chinese School. During the Cold War there was schism between the communists. The Soviets strongly believed in quiet infiltration and demoralization of institutions. They targeted destruction from within via corruption. The Chinese were in disagreement with this approached and thought the only way forward was violent revolution out in the open for everyone to see.
Both groups targeted Black Americans specifically. They saw Blacks as the weak link in American cultural and thought Blacks and Whites could be turned against each other in open combat in a racial civil war. Why do you think they media keeps promoting civil war? Why do you think they keep probing race relations? It’s not by accident… The Chinese Communists wanted to trigger violent blood shed in civil war, where as the Soviets funded the Peace Movement as a psyop to get people to turn against their own country in Antiwar Movements to encourage America to back down geopolitically and to manipulate the citizenry into passivity and unproductive behavior through media and with drugs and hippie culture Turn on, Tune in, Drop out in an attempt to hurt the economy and culture. This is all common knowledge to anyone that has studied communism. G. Edward Griffin has informative lectures on the subject. Here is probably the most famous one from him. Watch it and then follow his references and actually read the books in his reading list. It will all sound very familiar to you when you reflect on the BLM like you are reading script.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i4vTHwvioZ4
KGB defector Yuri Bezmenov also has many lectures and interviews on the tropic. He likes to talk about the tactics of subversion, the “social justice” crap...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y9TviIuXPSE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yErKTVdETpw
This isn’t the first time Black populations have been targeted by communists in this exact way. They created the Anti-Colonialist movement in the Weimar Republic (Nazi Germany). Where do you think the rhetoric of calling Whites “Colonists” comes from? It’s comes specifically from the Communists that integrated into the Nazi party. First they drove the Blacks to cause division in their own country and foment chaos like useful idiots, then they sent the Blacks to work death camps to be utilized as slaves until they died of malnutrition and starvation or were executed in cold blood. This is how communists operate.
I had known much of this history and read many of these books and watched many of these lectures long before BLM became popular. This is why back in 2019 on this site I was asking questions like “Why couldn’t the Democrats just run moderate candidate” and warning that “now the world will have to suffer” and “we will face Nazism”, “there will be political violence in the street”, etc. I could see the war coming for years, but if war can be avoided, it’s generally better. We are at war now because too many sheep have been influenced. It is what it is. This is also why Democrats litter ally fund Nazis in Ukraine with billions of dollars in US foreign aid. That is who you are dealing with. Blacks that have joined the BLM movement are no different than Black Berliner Communists in Nazi Germany. They have their role to play in the game before they are litterally executed by their own people. That is if the Communist were to win. They won’t win...
no the whole thing of "Black Lives Matter" is a trigger. like Obama..
The problem is why
Why does it bother people if we say that Black Lives Matter in the first place? Why does Obama trigger people when he’s just a person
@Justneedtokno he's a boogeyman to the Republicans
And the question still stands why does he scare you? Why does a scare people? What is so scary about him? What did he do?
He dont scare me. HE scares the others because he is liberal, he's black and he's powerful...
BLM leaders spend millions of dollars of donated money for their own mansions.
How is that helping their cause?
I think we need more proof about that because we can say the same with church leaders in politicians
Have you ever looked up the black panther party and what they did
And I guess you think they’re horrible people to right
No, it’s their domestic terrorism, like Antifa, that’s disliked.
You really think that people that live here work here want to destroy the place that they’re living in that’s stupid. Most just want the same American dream as other people, but there’s a significant difference between someone who comes out of the country and who’s in it that was never built for them in the first place for build on them.
bLM is just a scam. They scam everyone who gave the money. They bought million dollars homes, $80 millions they could have done so much for black community, but they should be throw in prison for appspirations of funds.
I guaranty tell if I get my business going and I bought million dollars homes and kept the money they would throw my ass in jail
I don't think it matters. Some people are just offended by the idea that black people should have rights.
I seem to remember people were sacked for saying white lives matter too.
So I thing that horse has bolted far away over hill and dale.
Far more people are “triggered” by the burning, looting, and killing incited by BLM than the title of the organization.
no BLM is not offensive. somehow they get offended by ALM
I could be wrong about this, but I think people have less of an issue with the title than they do with the behavior of the organization.
Nope they’re just a terrorist organization that thinks no black person can do anything wrong and shouldn’t do any reparations of any kind for their actions no matter what
BLM was really formed to make it's founders rich.
People offended about the title are clueless about what the group is about. racist thoughts make it offensive.
Then should we also say All Lives Matter "Too" to make it sound less threatening to the black community?
It's not the title, it's the bullshit performed by it.
Maybe if they would have actually done something instead of scamming donors and buying stuff.
People would understand more about the movement
No, that would not help. For a bunch of reasons.
Nope, people just like to complain
You’d think that’d be inferred. But no…
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