Equity or Equality. Which Is More Important?

[Physics-Man]

Equity

Equality

[letuswaltzforthedead]

equality, equity is not only impossible but also counterproductive.

It would be nearly impossible to ensure that everyone has the same amount of resources as another person and even if they did, most would lose it almost immediately.

if you gave everyone 90,000 dollars immediately- most of them would spend it (and end up with 0 again), some would save it (so they end up with 45,000 or 80,000 more or less), and very few would use it it make over 90,000 dollars.

most of the time, the people who want equity don't actually want equity. they just don't want extremely successful people having more resources than they personally do.

you can give people equal opportunities to achieve an outcome but people are not all the same and the outcomes will not be the same for everyone.

[exitseven]

are you sure you are only 18? You seem too smart to be 18.

[letuswaltzforthedead]

@exitseven Thank you and I am, my age isn't wrong 😊

[exitseven]

😊😊😊😊😊

[12Volt]

Physics,

This is my understanding about this.

With equality, the cream will always rise to the top.

With equity, all the cream sits on the bottom just so things remain fair.

Obama once cut the budget of NASA. He figured it was a waste of money.

A NASA scientist said:

"Anyone can bullshit their way into the presidency. Try bullshitting your way to Mars."

[12Volt]

Thanks, Phys

[DaveJord]

Equality is the state of being equal, especially in status, rights, and opportunities.

Equity the quality of being fair and impartial.

I believe in Equity; because we should be impartial and fair... but Equality is the state in which everything is equal and obviously that would me true equality would look like communism and not capitalism.

And when civil rights preach equality, they are really wanting equal say in everything even when they represent a numerical minority of the total population, which would give them a greater say or power over the majority, so that's not equality is it? Honestly, they may want Equality, but they will have to accept equal equity like everyone else.

[Anonymous]

Even Aristotle knew 2333+ years ago:

"The worst form of inequality is to try to make unequal things equal." – Aristotle

Like it or not we are all as inherently unequal as we are different because that is what makes us unequal.

Equality as such applys only to opportunity where as Equity requires all men be clones of each-other, and thus there be only one man after all.

Its funny how someone 2333+ years ago can figure this basic logic problem out without the distraction of modern propaganda.

[Effably]

While equity is ultimately more desirable I believe that functioning equity comes from a basis of functional equality. And the debate of equity vs equality before we have a baseline equality (that is, core needs) is a distraction more so than it is useful.

Because otherwise the dialogue deterioates into claiming we have a partial meritorious equity now and calling it a day.

[xJeremyx]

Both concepts are fundamentally flawed. Its a matter of choosing the less flawed one. And that would be equity. Sure, people can abuse equity, so it has to be coupled with conditional requirements that allow a certain person or group of people to have access to help that will enable them to be on the same level as everyone else, but does not grant that help to people who dont need it.

I like to call it circumstancial-based equity.

[xJeremyx]

And yet, equality is still in the equation. Equity also means that everyone is able to gain access to whatever they need or want, at the same level as everyone else, and by that standard, we arrive at equality of outcome, which is the most desired case.

[HighValue]

Equality under the law = good.

Equity = bad. Equity just harms people to have the same outcome as someone else that achieved less. Society always gets worse when there is equity.

[FreyaRed]

Equality is simple and easy. Equity is exploitable and leads to abuse.

[worldscolide]

Equality. Equity is equality of outcome which basically leads to ZERO incentive to do well in life. Its stupidity.

[Dargil]

Equality is of opportunity. Equity is of outcome. Which is more important to you?

[Anonymous]

Equality. Some equity is reasonable such as to help disabled people but say take me I'd like to be an athlete but should the local women's basketball team be forced to take me just because I'm 4ft10?

[slatyb]

Not reducing complex issues to simplistic platitudes.

[The_Shadow_Dweller]

Correct.
Oversimplification sometimes worsens things. Misinterprets them

[KrakenAttackin]

"Equity" very quickly leads to tyranny.

[Subarugirl]

Well that entirely depends on what the equity or equality is in reference to?

People should have equal rights and equal access to basic human rights, like medical and bodily autonomy.

[Hispanic-Cool-Guy]

Equity is. Life and all humans by nature can't be equal but you can offered them equal justice and opportunities.

[msc545]

Equality. Demanding equal outcomes as in equity is simply unfair and wrong.

[Pterodon]

I voted B but that does not mean you can penalize me for being successful

[exitseven]

Equity is a scam by democrats to pander for votes.

[joeldalton]

Equity is evil.

[Hispanic-Cool-Guy]

How is being fair evil? It's actually the opposite.

[joeldalton]

@Hispanic-Cool-Guy That’s equality. We’re all treated equal under the law, and do not have legislative hinderances. Equity means we end up with the same things.

[Hispanic-Cool-Guy]

Your definition is wrong. Equity means fairness/justice.

Equality means all are the same or the get the same.

[joeldalton]

@Hispanic-Cool-Guy you have it reversed.

[ericclayton]

That is correct. *Equality* is equal opportunity, *equity* is equal outcome -- which is unrealistic.

[Subarugirl]

equity is amoral just like money or a brick or food, it can be used for good or evil.

Take food for example, if there were 3 people, a toddler, a 6-year-old and a 25-year-old and there were only 6 hot dogs to between the 3 of them. Equality would be giving each of them two, which wouldn't make much since because the toddler wouldn't be able to eat two and two wouldn't be enough for the 25-year-old.

Equity would make a lot more sense in this situation because if you gave the toddler one, the 6-year-old two, and the 25-year-old three, then everyone would get what they needed.

[joeldalton]

@Subarugirl you’re right. I need to go sign up with an NBA team, I’m only 5’9” so to be equitable they should give me a separate basket that I can dunk on.

[Subarugirl]

no, what is equitable is have the same ability to train like everyone else.

[joeldalton]

@Subarugirl That’s equality. Not equity.

[Subarugirl]

Competition is inherently in equal. If it was equal than it wouldn’t be a competition.

[joeldalton]

@Subarugirl so is life.

[Subarugirl]

Lol thank you captain obvious. Pain and suffering is a part of life too… that doesn’t mean we shouldn’t try to make it better

[Subarugirl]

But that is a convenient mentality to have as someone who Ben if it’s from inequity

[Subarugirl]

benefits

[joeldalton]

@Subarugirl lmao. Wait is this my white privilege or male privilege you’re making up that I have?

[Subarugirl]

I was speaking in a general sense.

[joeldalton]

@Subarugirl you benefit too. So what’s the big deal?

[Subarugirl]

Yes I benefit from inequity, the difference is that I recognize that I do and I also recognize that is not a good thing

[Subarugirl]

I have been given certain advantages because, I fit into a lot of the western beauty standards, I’m white, I’m tall, thin and and beautiful. I have what is called white privileged and pretty privilege. I recognize that in a lot of ways I am way more privileged than many people. I also recognize that those I have those because of how I look not because I’ve earned them, and that is wrong.

[joeldalton]

@Subarugirl lmao, white privilege.

[joeldalton]

@Subarugirl Guess you should throw acid on your face to get rid of your “pretty privilege”

[Subarugirl]

So your idea to combat inequity and prejudice is to start throwing acid? Why do you find this so triggering?

[joeldalton]

@Subarugirl you’re the one who’s advocating for equity. I’m giving you a solution to help you out.

[Subarugirl]

And your solution is to throw acid? …

[joeldalton]

@Subarugirl Oh, all of a sudden Equity isn’t so cool when you see the only solution is to take from those with “privilege”. Shocking.

[ManOnFire]

@Subarugirl "I’m white, I’m tall, thin and and beautiful." Subaru, you honestly are not that special looking. On top of it you're pretending that this privelege is unfair to you or bothersome, when you're really just trying to brag. White-feminism at its finest.

[Subarugirl]

Throwing acid is an act of violence and discrimination and is the opposite of equity

[Subarugirl]

@ManOnFire actually know I’m not pretending it’s unfair to me, I am recognizing the privilege that I have that others don’t just because of the way that I was born. I didn’t say that I was special looking, I said that in a lot of ways I fit the western ideal of beauty standards and am given special privileges because I look a certain way, not because I’ve earned it and that is not fair.

[Subarugirl]

@ManOnFire it’s not fair to anyone

[joeldalton]

@Subarugirl so is taking money away from those who earn it to give to others who don’t.

[Subarugirl]

Along that logic we should just kick all the babies in foster care out onto the street, right? They didn't earn that money... see how dumb that sounds?

[joeldalton]

@Subarugirl Yes, you sound very dumb because your analogy makes no sense. But you tried.

[Subarugirl]

Well you’re not bright enough to understand, I can dumb it down so that you’re able to

[joeldalton]

@Subarugirl lmao. You already got embarrassed once, why not try for more?

[Subarugirl]

Lol I am embarrassed? Coming from you, who wants to combat inequity by throwing acid on people? LMAO you really are delusional aren't you

[joeldalton]

@Subarugirl I’m explaining to you the real world requirements to achieve “equity”. You were a huge fan of it till the reality hit you. Now you’re trying to backpedal. But keep trying.

[Subarugirl]

And that means a lot coming from someone pushing domestic terrorism

[joeldalton]

@Subarugirl lmao. Oh god, you lefties are hilarious.

[Subarugirl]

Wow you really are delusional. I’m not a leftist

[joeldalton]

@Subarugirl lol. Ok. You’re not willing to give up your “pretty” privilege to have equity, what gives you the audacity to expect others to give up theirs?

[Subarugirl]

congratulations for completely missing the point

[joeldalton]

@Subarugirl The point is that equity is evil. I proved it.

[Subarugirl]

Lol no you didn’t. You proved your logic is flawed at best

[joeldalton]

@Subarugirl Really? You shut the fuck up about equity the second you thought you had to sacrifice for it. Which is not the least bit surprising.

[Subarugirl]

Actually if you rubbed two brain cells together I challenged your acid throwing idea of throwing acid on people and pretending it’s equality.

[joeldalton]

@Subarugirl Equity. Remember? You claimed Equity was the goal.

[Subarugirl]

If that’s what you think equity is it’s not wonder you think it’s evil

[joeldalton]

@Subarugirl You said that is what equity is. I’m using the accepted definition of the word. You defend it and thought it was a great idea till I showed you what equity implementation entails. The second you came to the realization it means you would sacrifice you’ve been backpedaling and just wasting time.

[Subarugirl]

Actually you said that throwing acid was equity… absolutely no one else did

[Subarugirl]

That’s not equity and that’s violence

[joeldalton]

@Subarugirl No, I said that the reality of enforcing equity is taking away from those who have to give to those who aren’t “privileged”. And you de facto agree with me. That’s why you’ve shut up about Equity all of a sudden.

[Subarugirl]

No that’s your opinion, not reality

[joeldalton]

@Subarugirl No, that’s exactly reality. You just want to pretend it’s not because you get good fee fees by saying you want equity.

[Subarugirl]

You're entitled to your opinion, as wrong as they might be. No saine person would say that throwing acid on people is equity

[joeldalton]

@Subarugirl The point, which you ignore because you only can react with emotions, is that you have to take away from people who have these "privileges" in order to make things equitable.

[Subarugirl]

That doesn't mean throwing acid on people, it means not giving privilege to people who haven't earned them... It means treating people equitably, not throwing acid on people.
For example, not discrimination against people because of how they look

[joeldalton]

@Subarugirl You are describing equality., not equity. If you don't even know what the two terms mean, how can you claim to discuss them intelligently?

[Subarugirl]

You want to talk about intelligence while equating domestic terrorism with equity... lol Okay

[joeldalton]

@Subarugirl Jesus you are stuck on stupid, aren't you.

[Subarugirl]

Isn’t that calling the kettle black 😂