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Broadly, the answer is no.
Please note, the following I write as a Republican who has worked in politics for over 40 years and who is no fan of the former President. In fact, I did not vote for Mr. Trump in 2016, though I did - reluctantly - vote for him in 2020. This because I had long seen Mr. Biden as a Senator and had been, frankly, seriously unimpressed. Basically, the nation was trading a populist with a tendency to bombast for one with a tendency toward peevishness and petty corruption.
In any case, the recommendation of the House Select Committee on January 6th has no force of law. Indeed, it is problematic. As former Rep. Trey Gowdy recently put it, the FBI - which is supposed to enforce the law - is playing politics with Twitter while the Congress - which has no law enforcement authority - is making law enforcement recommendations to the Department of Justice. So much for the separation of powers.
In any event, the Congressional committee's recommendation was tainted from the outset. It was stacked with anti-Trump Democrats and, in a break with all precedent - when the GOP minority leadership offered its candidates for the committee, Speaker Pelosi vetoed them. Appointing in their place anti-Trump Republicans - see also Rep. Lynn Cheney of Wyoming.
The net result was a kangaroo court that was less interested in getting the facts - which one would have thought would have been damning enough - than in getting an intended outcome. It not being helped when the House Democrat leadership took the positive weird action of hiring a known Hollywood director to orchestrate the committee's hearings.
Suffice to say, the committee's hearings were predictable and had a bad habit of making mountains out of molehills. Such that even normally sympathetic television networks - see also CNN - did not really bother to cover the hearings nor the committee's other activities. The outcome was simply too predictable to be newsworthy.
The committee's recommendations, to be sure, will now go to the Department of Justice, which has been conducting its' own investigation of January 6. That is a DoJ that is currently under a Democrat administration and that, therefore, might have an incentive to prosecute.
Two problems with this. First, as a cold political calculation, Mr. Trump's popularity in the GOP has been on the decline. Now only about 34% of Republican voters want to see him run for re-election. Make Mr. Trump a martyr and that may change the poll numbers to the former President's advantage - with consequences that are, at best, difficult to assess for the Biden team.
More to the point, the case has been so tainted by obviously biased things like the House January 6 committee, that it is not impossible that a court would toss it out without so much as a "by your leave." If not in the first instance, than certainly on appeal. Thus suddenly Mr. Trump would be a hero - with VERY negative consequences for the Democrats.
The Biden administration will have to balance all of this out and they may go forward with a prosecution. However, that would be unprecedented in American history and would further divide an already divided country, with negative implications for Mr. Biden's already ten thumbed administration's ability to forge a governing consensus.
Bottom line, while not impossible, the consequences are unpredictable and the courts, if not the Administration, will likely not want to go there. This not to mention that, frankly, the direct evidence against Mr. Trump is pretty thin.
Yes, he should have called on the rioters to stop earlier than he did. Yes, it can even be argued that he egged them on. However, unless there is evidence of direct collusion - i. e., pre-planning of the riot and of Mr. Trump's direct involvement in that pre-planning - the case against the former President is pretty weak as a legal matter.
As a political matter, Mr. Trump has been a divisive and net negative figure in American politics, governance and history. However, that is a decision to be left to the ballot box - as it seemingly was in 2020 - not to a court of law.
Agreed, but an investigation by politicians…will be political. And Repubs were there embarrassing themselves defending the evidence they uncovered. And like every investigation, it uncovered illegality not initially targeted. So should the DOJ go after a former president for financial and election engineering crimes that were uncovered?
Meaning should the DOJ take that evidence and investigate themselves?
Well, as I mentioned, the DoJ probably will take up the case. They are already conducting their own investigation. The problem is that the case has been so tainted and politically loaded that no court is apt to give it a hearing. Likely it would be dismissed on procedural grounds.
There is a reason why criminal law has such extraordinary procedural protections surrounding it. In this January 6 case, the Congress ran roughshod over those grounds. Largely for the publicity the majority hoped - and failed - to generate.
DoJ may climb up that same hill, but they would be smarter not to. Mr. Trump is losing, especially after the mid-term election results - political ground. Making Mr. Trump a martyr for a case that is legally compromised and politically debatable would be unwise - and as I noted, apt to produce results the opposite of those that were intended.
@Juxtapose Thanks for your kind comment.
You neglected to mention that Pelosi only vetoed GOP candidates for the committee because they were likely to be witnesses in the investigation. The GOP could still have proposed other candidates but declined to do so. It's unusual for you to gloss over material facts so I'm disappointed. Apparently partisan politics can blind anyone to basic facts.
@AngryCarl On the former I did mention it, though I did not go into detail for reasons of space. In any case, the GOP did offer a selection of nominees and were turned down. It is not likely that another round would have made much difference.
As to the latter point. I didn't say that the committee did not. I take that as a given. In fact, the committee did refer it and DoJ is looking into its' own investigation. That is not really at issue and I saw no need to mention it.
DoJ may prosecute. However, the courts will decide and DoJ is quite political. They have to decide if they have a reasonable chance of winning. As I noted, there are political implications to that decision and DoJ is, more likely than not, weighing those factors. Fair or not, it is not a decision devoid of political calculations and in a case of this type, the AG - and likely other senior administration officials - will be weighing those calculations in the balance.
Sadly as a Republician I have to agree with you!
They denied his offer to send national guard and had his social media posts hidden away! And who the hell did you vote for in 2016? Hillary? Wtf is wrong with everyone all afraid to say they support Trump? The left has tried everything thing they can to screw him around while at the same time doing exactly what they have accused him of doing. Russian collusion? How about fake dossier and wiretapping the then Candidate Trump by way of a bogus warrant? How about hey there’s some funny biz going on with the Bidens and maybe you can look into it vs you better fire that prosecutor or you don’t get the billion? Son of a bitch they fired him.
Hunter getting millions from China and Ukraine and now we’re giving oil to China and billions to Ukraine? Or how about poor Pauly getting attacked by a hammer wielding maga guy? Where’s Nancy? More like who’s your Nancy? Like dope smoking gay pride flag waving bracelet selling Canadian illegals are maga Republicans. My ass. Why no pics or video of Paully? I could go on for an hour and people like yourself would just sit there and play dumb. Nobody has any balls anymore but everyone’s got their preferred f’ing pronouns. Lord have mercy
@TheNameIsRob ^^ this!
Trump lost the election. It was proven then and though he has tried to convince others that he had won, every challenge he has posed has been proven wrong and in many cases made up by him. Many of his top political and legal advisors assured him he had lost. Knowing that he had lost, he tweeted "Statistically impossible to have lost the 2020 Election." Then "Big protest in D. C. on January 6th." And ""Be there, will be wild!" His own people recognized that he was intending the crowd, many of them groups that were stating they were going there to riot, such as the Oath Keepers, to storm the Capitol and wreak havoc. The rioters knocked down fences to get there and climbed the walls, then used everything at hand to break doors and windows to get in. Due to business being conducted inside, it was officially closed to the public, so Trump encouraged the crowd to break in and confront the police. The crowd had set up a gallows and were chanting hang Pence as they charged in. The police formed a secondary blockade inside to protect Pence, Pelosi, and others, and clearly aimed their weapons at the crowd through a window. When rioter Ashli Babbitt broke the window and climbed through, she was shot and killed. That was lethal force legally used to protect the lives of others.
Trump invited known violent groups to the capitol to participate in the riot. Even as those people were violently breaking into the Capitol, tearing down fences, using posts and flag poles to beat police (who had a right to protect themselves and could have started shooting at that point, but did not), and trampling others in the crowd, Trump was nearby, knowing what was happening, and encouraging more people to join the riot, and saying he would join them (he did not). It was only after more police arrived and the people inside who had been threatened were taken to safety that the crowd calmed down and many were leaving when Trump (from a long distance away) told the people to leave in peace.
Trump did not have the right to invite violent groups to the event, state that there would be a "wild" time, and encourage people to violently attack the police and congressional workers. He tried to go to the Capitol to stir it up more, but his Secret Service driver knew that was wrong and took him away, refusing to follow Trump's illegal orders.
As the crowd was trying to get to Pence, Trump was telling them that Pence was no longer a part of the good people. If Trump had had his way, Pence and Pelosi would likely be dead. Many Republicans who supported Trump up to that day have given sworn testimony to the committee that the defenders of the Capitol were acting properly and that the riot was an insurrection against democracy and America, and Trump should never serve in public office again!
Yes, he should be held accountable. I saw the entire happening on television while helping a daughter with her move. At first, Trump gave his speech about the "stolen" election, and then I heard him say that they should "fight like hell", because without it, there would be no country left, and the=at they shojld "take theor country back" (or something to that effect). He did incite these rioters, they took him both seriously and literally to go and "fight like hell" by marching up to, and climbing the walls of the capitol building; breaking windows, fighting with police officers, and breaking and entering a government building with the intention of causing harm to VP Pence, and taking the voting box which contained the actual votes from each state--which someone had picked up once they knew that the building had been invaded by these rioters. All along, Trump did nothing but sit in the living room of his office, and when called upon by his own children and his staff to make him stop the rioters, they were met by silence. He was in support of the rioters chanting "Hang Mike Pence":
... Asked if Trump was worried about Vice President Mike Pence’s safety during the Jan. 6 riot, Trump said, “I thought he was well-protected, and I had heard that he was in good shape.”
Karl then reminded Trump that some of his supporters involved in the violent attack were calling for Pence to be killed.
“Well, the people were very angry,” Trump said.
“They said, ‘hang Mike Pence,’” Karl told Trump.
“It’s common sense, Jon. It’s common sense that you’re supposed to protect,” Trump said. “How can you, if you know a vote is fraudulent, right, how can you pass on a fraudulent vote to Congress?”...
I was in awe watching this all unfold on television and could not believe my eyes. The fact that he called them "peaceful peopl " and "patriots" when 4 people died, is beyond me.
This is NOT a Republican or Dempcrate issue. It is an issue about OUR country and its' laws. No one should be allowed to take away the righting votes of the American people--and no one should be allowed to threaten our democracy. Had Trump succeeded in doing exactly what he wanted to do-- by stealing those votes and thus taking away our voices as to who we want to be our president--he would have succeeded in influencing our voting rights. Not only this--but by supporting those chanting to hang Mike Pence--it is a threat to human life.
I apologize for those typos because I am not a great typist--but I hope those who read itm understand my stance. Trump has done a ton of damage to the people of this country, and I think it is about time the courts do something about it. I can only imagine what could have happened as a result of his tyranny.
What laws did he break? Name one
@TheNameIsRob The committee named four, and there are probably more.
Nope, that panel has no credibility to it whatsoever. Nothing anyone says will change my mind to that, it's a political side show ran by Democrats who throw in a few Republicans to try and say its not just them.
So what if they got a few Republicans who are trying to save their own skin, it should be shut down long ago... Trump had ever legal right to call for a peaceful protest at the capital, which he did. He never said burn down buildings, attack and kill.
Ironically the only person killed was a unarmed women by a police officer, but guess Democrats are okay with police killing unarmed Republicans, but if it was a unarmed black person, god forbid... lets burn down half the country.
Democrats have zero credibility and never will again, EVER.
@Juxtapose You do understand that "next to no direct evidence implicating Trump" means there is evidence implicating Trump, don't you?
@Juxtapose They have plenty.
@goaded @Juxtapose @Aerissa_Jade
I’ll ask this again… Didn’t the 1/6 committee cancel Trumps subpoena and disband the committee after Ray Epps a paid FBI agitator admitted to the committee under oath that HE organized “the entire thing” meaning entry into the capital complex? If there is evidence that Trump committed any crimes wouldn’t he already be under indictment? Do NOT misunderstand me, I can’t fuckin’ stand Trump, but he must be the cleanest president in modern history! The federal government has been investigating him NON-STOP for over 4yrs now and they can’t find ANYTHING to federally prosecute him? NOTHING? I think it’s maybe time to move on! The only “Republicans” on the 1/6 panel both voted to impeach him, so at LEAST it wasn't biased (and even they either quit congress or lost re-election by 40pts) I would have had more faith in it if proven liar Adam Schiff wasn’t on the panel, and someone like Jim Jordan, or a civilian prosecutor like Trey Gowdy WAS!
@CrazyGirl2 Uh, no? They disbanded because they had to. They released all the evidence to the public, because they thought the Republicans would cherry-pick it.
There is no evidence that Ray Epps was a paid FBI agitator or admitted to the committee under oath that HE organized “the entire thing”. He wasn't.
@CrazyGirl2 yep, this is pretty much the feds busting other feds and then blaming Trump for it lol. It's a deep state farce and the world economic forum loves it.
@goaded Here is the transcript of Ray Epps Closed door testimony where the issue of his text to his nephew was entered into evidence. https://ibb.co/9sTKW9z
@goaded Look Goaded, you can CHOOSE not to believe Ray Epps was a Government asset, but with ALL the evidence against him, how come he is the only one videoed agitating the crowd to breach the capitol in violation of Title 18 U. S. Code §2383. Rebellion or insurrection, (which reads):
Whoever incites, sets on foot, assists, or engages in any rebellion or insurrection against the authority of the United States or the laws thereof, or gives aid or comfort thereto, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than ten years, or both; and shall be incapable of holding any office under the United States.
(June 25, 1948, ch. 645, 62 Stat. 808 ; Pub. L. 103–322, title XXXIII, §330016(1)(L), Sept. 13, 1994, 108 Stat. 2147 .)
And yet, Ray Epps was caught on camera doing/saying this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2zDLovOForg&t=20s
But he is safe at home while hundreds of other rioters are still sitting in solitary confinement unable to get bail or see their families, just because they entered the building. Now I happen to agree that they absolutely SHOULD have all been arrested, and I could not care less about them, except that their constitutional rights are not being violated! But how come this asshole escaped any justice whatsoever? How come HE was allowed to testify behind closed doors without any cameras present? And WHY was he treated differently to any one of the other rioters, when he is the ONLY one on video actively violating Title 18 U. S. C 2383?
@CrazyGirl2 No, that's 11 lines of testimony, and I bet you a dollar the next question is something like "And what did you mean by that". When I find the actual testimony, I'll post a link to it.
Found it. Called it. You owe me a dollar (joke). You're the one CHOOSING to accept someone's interpretation, boiling down long detailed testimony to essentially one word and not being interested in the context.
There are 97 pages of transcript. That comes at the end of page 60. The next part is:
"This is the exact same time of the video that I just played. Help us understand
this text. What did you mean by "orchestrate"? What did you orchestrate?
A I just meant that I got -- you have to understand our relationship,
uncle-nephew. We hunt together. We fun with each other. We do that kind of stuff.
What I meant by "orchestrate," I helped get people there.
At that point, I didn't know that they were breaking into the Capitol. I didn't
windows had been broken. I didn't know anybody was in the Capitol. If I answered
him, that means I was on -- at 2:12, I was on my way back to the hotel room."
You can see for yourself:
web.archive.org/.../20220121_Ray%20Epps.pdf
@goaded Did you watch the video I linked for you? Ray Epps is the only person who is on video actively calling for the breaching of the Capitol building! In violation of Title 18 U. S. C. 2383. He is also the only person who has ever been on the FBI’s Top 10 most wanted list, and was quietly removed without explanation! He has never even been charged! The FBI need probable cause to arrest before they put someone on the Top 10 Most Wanted List, because just being on the list could destroy a persons life! So if they had probable cause to charge him, how come HE is home, and free to live his life while hundreds are STILL languishing in prison being denied bail? Many for up to 2yrs! Also you keep asserting that the 1/6 panel released ALL the evidence, “so it could not be cherry-picked by Republicans”, yet THOUSANDS of hours of video, including the official CCTV footage showing officers waving rioters into the building and the footage of the only person to die that day, (An unarmed Veteran and mother, named Ashley Babbitt) being shot and killed by a capital police officer as she entered the bldg through a window? None has EVER been released. Why NOT if they have nothing to hide? Please understand that I am NOT in any WAY a conservative, nor am I “on their side” I simply want the truth, and the WHOLE truth, and nothing BUT the truth, and I’m MOST definitely not a Republican! My family are all lifelong multi-generational Democrats & I am now a registered Independent. Although in the spirit of full disclosure and of honesty, I am thinking of joining the Libertarian Party, but right now it’s just a thought, I am still an Independent. I happen to believe that I did not leave the Democrat party, they left me when they embraced the FAR Left wing of their party, and began organizing bail for the rioters involved with the “summer of love” riots of 2020. I believe we BOTH want the same thing sweetie, THE TRUTH of what REALLY happened in the Capital bldg on that fateful day!
@CrazyGirl2 It is a working link, to a PDF file. Just a minute.
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Trump has clearly violated many laws to the point where he should be charged.
#3) The Jan. 6th fiasco is a bit murkier than the other ones, but he still broke his oath as President and was derelict in his duties. Clearly, he CHOSE to not protect and defend the Constitution by scheming to prevent the transfer of power when ALL his legal attempts to do so were exhausted.
But his other crimes are more blatant:
#1) He stole classified US Government documents. Period. Plain and simple. His defense - an unwritten, unspoken, undocumented claim that all documents brought before him are automatically declassified - in his mind? Please Trumpers - how stupid CAN you be? His "other defense" of this was that "workers inadvertently packed these documents and, unbeknownst to him, brought them to Mar-a-Lago. Hmmm, so these highly classified documents just "happened" to be laying around in your stuff to be removed from the Oval? This is an open and shut case. He should already be in jail for this alone.
#2) His phone call to the State of Georgia. This too is an unbelievable act from a sitting President. It's unconscionable, but it's pure Trump. These were his exact words: "All I want to do is this: I just want to find 11,780 votes, which is one more than we have... Fellas, I need 11,000 votes, give me a break." The entire phone call should make anyone feel ashamed that this man was ever elected.
These three things are enough by themselves to lock him up, but it's only the outward tip of his criminal ways. Garland should do the right thing, and let's move on from this idiot once and for all.
Was your interpretation of Hillary Clinton’s crimes equally black and white?
1. Clearly, he CHOSE to not protect and defend the Constitution by scheming to prevent the transfer of power when ALL his legal attempts to do so were exhausted.
Attempting to get Congress to not certify is stupid, but not illegal under current law.
2. " He stole classified US Government documents. "
Flat out wrong. He took documents while in office. As POTUS he had the authority to unilaterally decide not only what to declassify but to whom he extended the authority to possess classified documents. (Dept of the Navy v. Egan)
3. "His phone call to the State of Georgia"
Possibly, but it would have to be established that he meant invalid or manufactured votes, not legal votes that had been missed.
That’s not a response. I’ll take that as a ‘no’. I recommend taking some time to evaluate the extent to which you allow your bias to affect your reason.
@Chazmatazz269 so should trump get away with what he did because Hillary hasn't been convicted of a crime? If she did something wrong she should be arrested for then she should be arrested too. When there's enough evidence to find any political figure to have without reasonable doubt to have committed a crime they should all be accountable.
That said Trump has done more openly and blatantly broken the law than anyone in history. This is about him and him right now. He should not be given a pass because you feel others are guilty of things not yet actually proven. No one is above the law. That includes trump. Sorry your guy is just worst than the rest.
Nope. Every criminal should be in prison and some should be executed. Some laws should be overturned and prisoners held for those crimes should be released.
See how easy it is to answer a question directly? Are you capable of that? Or is your every opinion steeped in bias and drawn through the straw man perspective?
Also my interpretation of why hunter Biden or Hillary haven't been arrested... well because there isn't enough actual evidence to prosecute or they haven't actually done anything wrong. The news reporting opinions isn't actually evidence anything illegal happened. Doesn't mean they're innocent but it means they're just not enough to be found guilty or arrested. The Dems aren't controlling the entire world. Maybe they're better at not being complete idiots and getting caught doing wrong but that's Trump's fault for being an idiot. Again I'm for all politicians being held accountable IF you can prove they did something.
And in my final opinion unfortunately most politicians are for their own power and don't care for any of us whether left leaning or right. We need more than two viable parties and politicians need to fight for us more than themselves
The digital evidence of Clinton’s crimes was conclusive. She wasn’t convicted because government agencies weighed the consequences of such a conviction against the balance of democracy. There’s no way Drumpf’s potential charges don’t go exactly the same way unless the powers that be want a civil war. That won’t be allowed until every legally owned firearm in the country is confiscated. Can you live with that? Do you really understand what is at stake right now?
@Chazmatazz269 "The digital evidence of Clinton’s crimes was conclusive"
Was it?
"Hillary Clinton used a private email address for exchanges with her State Department staff. In three instances, email chains included information with ambiguous classification markings."
"The National Archives in February said it had recovered 15 boxes of presidential records that former President Donald Trump had taken to his home in Mar-a-Lago. This was a breach of the Presidential Records Act.
Some of the documents were marked classified national security."
www.politifact.com/.../
Dude, your bias is absolutely INSANE. You’ve never accepted any accumulation of evidence as enough to condemn a democrat and no evidence is necessary for you to condemn a republican. You literally CHOOSE ignorance every day of your life! Either prove me wrong by supporting a republican and condemning a democrat or accept the fact that YOU are a hypocrite! You are the SAME as everyone you claim to hate from “the other side of the aisle”. YOU are every mindless Drumpf supprter you’ve ever hated. You’re just wearing a Biden hat! Ell oh ell!
@Chazmatazz269 I agreed with you that all politicians should be held accountable so I'm not sure what your point is with me. You're not using the straw man fallacy correctly but nice try. I'm sure you've heard that used around. Nice attempt. I'm basing my opinions on evidence that is out of the mouths of the Republican colleagues Trump had in his corner.
If there is evidence of Hillary to arrest her I think they would. They didn't because there isn't enough to do so. Republicans are powerful and want to badly put Democrats in jail just as bad in reverse.
Again, hat doesn't mean I personally can say she didn't do anything wrong. You choose to believe what you read online as evidence vs what an official investigation finds in the matter. You can use sound bits and word drops and say civil war but remember one thing. Civil war over what? The truth? A criminal being held accountable? It won't happen because people don't really care what happens to trump. They're all a bunch of morons if they think it's a worthy cause
@Chazmatazz269 No, not really. I pay attention to actual evidence, statements made under oath and penalty of imprisonment, mostly by Republicans, and documented text exchanges, etc..
You don’t pay attention to anything except your bias and the biased media you include in your echo chamber, fool. You should be embarrassed by the shit you put online.
@slatyb It's as a simple as you just put it. Unfortunately there are complete denialists here that just can't let go of the fact that their guy messed up big time between the fake election fraud, Jan 6th, and the classified documents being stolen. They just want to say what about Hillary and Hunter.. That's all they got. They believe evidence is found on Twitter and not out of the mouths of his own people that were in his corner. They prob think all the interviews the Jan 6 panel shared we're deep fakes. Their ignorance has no bounds. It is about being loyal to one guy and not the country or the truth.
@Chazmatazz269 I'm not a Biden fan, but far less of a Trump fan. Not sure why Hilary is in this discussion when the topic is about Trump's guilt. He was clearly in possession of classified US government documents which he had no right to. His involvement with the Jan. 6th fiasco has been investigated, complete with interviews, sworn testimonies, and the never ending list of 5th amendment declarations by insiders. Regardless of your political leanings, this much reluctance to give information for fear of self-incrimination certainly does not bode well for his insiders. Were this a civil trial, there appears to be more than a preponderance of evidence available to satisfy the standard. Since it's not, the DOJ will determine if they have enough to make criminal charges stick.
Whatever did or didn't happen with Hilary is not what this is about - it's about Trump's alleged criminal behaviors, dereliction of duty, failure to uphold his oath of office, and attempts to influence election officials. This question is specifically about the first three aforementioned actions.
To say it's WHOLLY politically motivated is nonsense. Trump's behaviors should offend intelligent observers from every viewpoint, yet some still cling as if he's somehow "a righteous dude" who's done nothing illegal, immoral, offensive, or just plain stupid. As much as I've tried to give due diligence to verify his claims and his supporters statements, the evidentiary truth is just not forthcoming. Only the "claims" keep coming, and the denials, and the refusals to obey subpoenas and offer truthful answers to simple questions. Who are really the mindless ones at this point?
Thank you for your post. It's clear here that in this forum, Trump supporters are the most vocal. Its hard to believe he still has supporters afte all he has done, both as president as a a lingering president who succeeded brainwashing his minions that he won the election and that it was stoeln--with no proof at all. It was a fair and square election, and he has done all in his power to cancel it--from asking a governor to "find 11,000 +. votes, to trying to steal the votiong machines, to creating fake electors in several states, and more. This alone disqualifies him to run again--hopefully that cannot happen.
@Amy10223 You're welcome. It's one thing for supporters to talk about what they view as anything "good" he did for the USA, and he actually did do a few good things. But it's very saddening to listen to anyone who still supports him NOW, after seeing the sum total of disgraceful, deceitful, criminal and almost treasonous behaviors - treason to democracy itself AND to the United States - that he's done since last November.
I want to throw up on Matt Gaetz for actually trying to nominate him as Speaker of the House. What is wrong with some of these people? Einstein was correct - human stupidity is infinite.
It's really incredible. I'm not sure if it's stupidity---or something else. There is a reason for sticking by him despite all he's done wrong. Yet--most of the GOP are not in favor of him running again. As for who becomes the Speaker and the show they've put on--it's an embarassment for them.
If he had broken a single law they would have charged him. So which laws did he break? Just one is all I need and please be specific not your opinion
@TheNameIsRob Is taking away from the Whitehouse classified documents not breaking the law? It is, according to certain laws. Also, is tax fraud considered illegal? Then he's committed that plenty of times. Bribery is another crime. He did this when he tried to bribe the Ukrainian president out of money by threatening not to give them money they were due by the US unless the Ukrainian pres didn't bring up dirt of Joe Biden's son.
www.reuters.com/.../
@TheNameIsRob We already listed those, and you can easily look them up. He had classified government documents in his private possession, in his home, which he stole from the White House. His call to the Secretary of State in Georgia was election tampering. His inaction during the riot on Jan. 6th was dereliction of duty and failure to uphold the oath of his office. And those are only the start.
@TheNameIsRob They are dotting their I's and crossing their T's to ensure that accusing an ex president of anything is bullet proof. So they haven't done anything yet because the DOJ is still investigating the evidence they have and now the evidence The Jan 6 committee submitted. Will they charge him that's the question. I provided links to show there is enough evidence to prosecute but again they're making a bullet proof case. This doesn't mean they will prosecute even if there is evidence. That will decide if our democracy is finished. The facts are there is evidence based on the committee. Now we're just waiting to see what they do with it. That's why nothing has happened yet.
Evidence alone from the committee is enough i mean. What the DOJ has in addition is unknown.
@Friendlybro79 The annoying thing is that the evidence should already be sufficient. There's zero chance that anything else they find will exonerate Trump, so why not go with what they have? The Oath Keepers conviction is a good start, but prosecute a few enablers as well, they should work their way up the chain.
"Delay the trial, we've found more evidence!" is a crazy approach to take. Or at least frustrating as hell.
I know, but indict, and add new evidence as it becomes available. They really messed up when they didn't indict everyone for ignoring congressional subpoenas. That led to an "ethics lawyer" telling a witness that they didn't have to comply with one. The same "ethics lawyer" who told them to lie under oath.
@goaded If you mean the DOJ delaying the trial because of the Jan 6th committee it isn't really an intentional delay by the DOJ. They have a legal obligation to review it first now before doing anything with their own evidence even if it was sufficient enough. The Jan 6 trials was for the people to see first hand what Trump did and unfortunately one downside is that it prob did slow the DOJ down. There's a legal term that I forget for why the DOJ has to review the evidence of the Jan 6 committee.
@Friendlybro79 I did mean that. What happens if Republicans now start an "investigation" and keep it going for the next two years?
@loveslongnails How long until the House votes to impeach Biden, do you think?
@goaded I don't think that's going to happen just yet, at least not till the special investigator makes a report. The R's have to be careful if they want to pick up more seats. A total of 468 seats in the U. S. Congress (33 Senate seats and all 435 House seats) are up for election on November 5, 2024. If McDickhead a functioning brain cell, he'll not want to focus on impeachment, but rather, winning seats, unless the evidence is a slam dunk. Considering that Mar-a-Lago IS a slam dunk, they'd be wise to wait.
The other point is that MTG is the heavy pushing it, and very few House Reps want to be seen as her ally at this point.
Come to this point, I personally no longer want to discuss more about it. Just see how leftist or self-claimed neutral people ignore the crimes of their side, and play a game of double-standards while not even giving a shit or daring to say shit about what their side do, but highly criticize one and considered those people extremists (but not consider themselves after what they do.) I bashed misinformation and mislead conclusion like the dude name goaded many times, but people just keep letting him spreading those and not even double-check what he said. Hey if Trump get arrested, I’m not surprised now because it looks like my communism country radically trying to imprison people in the opposite side despite of following the constitution and rule (like Jan 6th people trying to charge Trump but failing to give even evidence, then they start to do it again and now they start to gather evidence after that, wtf? Why don’t they do it before? Or they just want to defame first?)
Also, some EU people don’t even want to talk about how their countries sinking in communism from dependence to more similar policy to Karl Marx’s idealism (especially Denmark). I must pull them to here because they like to criticize right-wing America, or even America, but ignore to even make a thread, or comment about shit in their country which are much worse than America (wtf?). Look at them how dependence of them through Russian-Ukraine war, also see their economy collapse in USA-China economic war. I don’t even know how USA is affecting to their country that they care more about their own, if it does, how people are, how their country is.
If they care about constitution, law and democracy on Jan 6th, they would not let democracy sitting on the constitution from misleading information of Covid-19 to manipulate pulsing policy, BLM for a criminal and Rittenhouse’s case that should not take that long, they care more for an abortion and more than protecting the border which is national security, and people from criminals whom are let freely move around in NY and CA. Even let violate free speech (more than only Trump, you know) to all who are opposite of their views. Free speech is a constitution for democracy and without that, no democracy (see China). They care a shit for lawful, constitutional and democracy things. Don’t even know how they don’t feel ashamed to speak under those things for Jan 6th. events.
@goaded There was literally nothing to respond to in that rant. There is nothing there for building a stable society based upon law and order. We had over almost two hundred years where power was peacefully transferred from one administration to another. And he defends the insurrection by talking about the crimes of the dems.
ALMOST EVERY PERSON TESTIFYING AGAINST TRUMP WAS A REPUBLICAN. FROM HOPE HICKS TO BILL BARR. . . FROM CASSIDY HUTCHINSON TO RUSTY BOWERS.
Yet in his mind, this is about libs and conservatives and some imaginary two way street of an insurrection. This is where our nation is now. Authoritarianism is on the march. And it is coming to Europe next.
@goaded Why are you coming from the thought that there is only Trump tearing the nation apart? That is your people bringing Trump to an extremist view, and the only thing Trump does is turning over what Obama did.
1. Obama is not even a peaceful President where he also turned over a lot of Bush works. But Republicans at that time do not aggressively criticize Obama for that. Obama also bring more extreme left view from partial woke culture today to Karl Marx idealism deeper, and policies support for cooperating with China deeper than whoever in America. The only thing they can do that is because people at that time do not know what they know now. Trump took the President, turned over what Obama did and of course, do the same thing as Obama but oppositely. Guess what, Obama’s fellow people are not that kind, attack Trump critically like Trump’s people do today, so I don’t see what much different.
2. In 2020, they provoked to turn over Trump Presidency for a girlfriend, yes that is girlfriend, who now people know who he really is and why he died not even by the cop on that day. From burning to declare a war to conservative people, furthermore, not all white people are even elite, some people are just a middle class just from the empty hands but guess what, leftists attack them and don’t say that is not happening. BLM is never just for Black Lives Matters. BLM is not the only one caution, it also includes Covid-19 misinformation from Fauci and leftist people and so on. Jan 6th. was a mess, predictably happened as a fight back from rightist people and there is nothing to excuse, as Pelosi may know that will happen, but refuse to receive more defenses from Trump. Except you want to say Trump conspire with Nancy Pelosi, there will be no Jan 6th. if Pelosi did it. Like I said, if Trump get charged for that, why don’t the others? If Trump is the ignition for the division, is Obama so, since he is the one sinking America deeper than ever in leftist views if Trump is the one sinking America back to rightist view. The cost is high if they successfully do that. That means right now in the middle of the storm, people can attempt to imprison the opponent regardless the morality of the story. You not even is an American why should you bother about that? If you think America is wrong, do it at your own country.
Sorry the word “girlfriend” is girlfriend George Floyd abbreviation automatically changed by my gramma correct.
3. The only idol leftist, JFK, who was admired by both sides, and guessed what he did? Same thing as Trump did, just not have any China that Former President failed the U. S. to let them cooperate with regardless the potential threat from them that they SHOULD ALL LEARN after the Cold War. That include EU country too. Guess what JFK’s result, a mysterious death in a high conflict between people and deep state Elites.
4. As you are EU people, why don’t you read back the EU history how violent and divisive conflict since birth of birth of democracy and freedom government? That was extreme, that never change. U. S. is just a late born country which is learnt from mistakes of laws and orders of EU.
5. There is nothing to hide my heritage country, Vietnam. Guess what China does to them and the other neighbor countries, worse than Russia ever did to Ukraine and its neighbor countries. Killing is higher, conflict is higher, authoritarianism is higher and cruelty is much higher. U. S. leftists don’t learn, EU don’t learn anything from before WW1 to recent Tiananmen protest 1989 to HongKong 2019. I hate to call you guys sheeps, aren’t you?
6. Chinese is smart, properly, not in science but in conspiracies. U. S. and EU leftists and weak Republicans let China start to spread their idealism from Confucius to communism to ambition to take over the world through Belt and Road Initiative. Confucius is really popular in Asia in the past, maybe the most constitutional idealism of Asia in thousands years. And again, Communism failed to attack both EU and US in the past, but mostly successfully in the whole Asia. The lesson is, why don’t smart people of U. S. and EU learn from that? Are they dumber than the past? Properly not. Are they less moral? Not really. China knows how to buy people. Don’t look down on them, even Deep State, or realistically, Leftists people are scaring them.
7. The reason I must pull China to the debate is China is the source of threat in U. S. Back to Trump time. The scare, aggressive and prejudice people took on Trump. They even make a story about Trump will make WW3. Guess what, that has never happened. In contrast, that Trump effect, aka Trumpism people call today, spread over and start to threat leftists party (not democracy) to authoritarians working with China. Of course, Trump may do no damage to authoritarians in other countries except China, but guess which country is funding for other countries wars in the other sides of U. S. from North Korea and Korea, Vietnam, Laos, Cambodia, Thailand, Cuba to Iran, Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria to Ukraine-Russia now, all are funded publicly to privately by China and Russia. With a tons of support from U. S. and EU, there is no way authoritarians still exist except that have fund from some other force strong as a country. There are some books with evidence about all of them. Some even are stated in Wikipedia. Why don’t sheeps research instead of spreading crazy things about Trump all the time?
8. Biden is not innocent so. He made wrong and turned over Trump’s policies. Guess what, more division is happening, he solves no problem and worse than both Trump and Obama about policies.
9. (I see instead of putting Trump to a prison, or Obama, or Biden, there must be the way to limit power and influence of Presidents to public facility, more independent to them but keeping the mean of public facility: for people. You can say it’s rightist view, it may not. There is neither rightist view nor leftist view. Right is often meant for conserving the right thing and left is the opposite. All of those things change all the time, even “extremist” Trump is not even more right-wing extremist than some rightist President in the past, even leftists President about policies. If we are more predictable about what happen in Jan 6th., there have had been a policy which made no Obama, so there was no Trump, and Biden, and so on.)
And again @goaded girlfriend is George Floyd, not “girlfriend” I stated, so pardon for my automatic gramma correct.
Thank to media, people now believe election was fairly Trump losing. He did. He lose the game at that night, that the only thing I want to say now. That night is a mysterious exception since Covid-19. That was a turning point all for Biden. Because Trump lost, I can say nothing. Don’t worry, trust Biden and today leftists are your choice and you will deserve for a result.
Even there is dude say the attack of FBI to Trump property is legal, and charged Trump for that is legal too. Legal is like Hillary and Obama did the same thing but only Trump took the charge. How about the Trump tax return, are you guys feeling good after see his PERSONAL INCOME TAX after radical leftist accuse him trial to trial? No, you don’t. Maybe now they just keep being brainwashed by letting leftists draw the wrong conclusion to blame IRS. Wtf?
Even his is not publicized, there is no wrong from him in the beginning about that and people keep spreading it all over the time. You people keep doing shit like that. Then blame both political party is corrupted when their ideal reflect people’ ideals or favorites. That is you guys’ ideals. Again, What are you guys doing?
“In any other civilized country he would have been arrested within days and prosecuted.”, said she. It will be like this: www.peoplesworld.org/.../
May I say even rightist or leftist people do not matters? There is just an obvious war between people and elites. Thanks to media, all draw in a wrong target and attack each other. Elites laugh!!! I laugh painfully in tears.
@slatyb TL;DR @RolandCuthbert was right.
@slatyb compare to communism? Not even a thing, Communists kill more people ever than nazism. You are the one ignoring bad things happen and tend to embrace nazism kill more than bash properly mine and do some research about communism kill comparing to nazism kill. And @goaded is the hypocrite and you guys are just lazy to double-check what he said many times. Hmm, just think it’s better than FB. I am wrong again. That was my response after my investing time. That should be my last one. You could consider I am headset and out. You win for this place. Enjoy it!
What communist policies are in place in the United States? I ask because I'm not sure how corporations are so profitable. Evidence against trump was submitted by a bipartisan Jan 6 committee showing evidence by mainly Republicans in Trump's corner. This isn't about willing to admit to crimes on "our side". Fyi my side is the side of the law regardless of who breaks it. If anyone I voted for does something illegal I'm not going to back them and act in denial. And also evidence isn't just want you read on Twitter or some online source you found to say what you want to hear.
You are spot on👍
@RolandCuthbert nobody said Jan 6 was a good thing ace
@TheNameIsRob Ace, that statement means absolutely nothing.
The "left or neutrals" that commit crimes should also be prosecuted. Trump was far too blatant, so it's up to the DOJ now to decide what to do. Most of the "democracy" in the USA is rule by money, especially on the highest levels.
Okay, @Friendlybro79 , who the fuck are you and when did i ever address you previously to this very message? Are you running multiple accounts, troll? Cuz i responded to ONE respondent’s comment and YOU are suggesting i referenced you. That’s a red flag online homie. You’re not just a troll, you’re running multiple accounts so you can continue to troll people who block you, i strongly suspect. thanks to simple timing, i think you’re actually one clown running three accounts. I’m reporting them all. Good luck in your future endeavors.
Jackass there's a reasonable explanation although you don't know anything other than conspiracies apparently. I made a mistake and thought you replied to me in error. I was originally replying to something you said earlier. No troll no conspiracy no multiple accounts just an error on my part. That's who the fuck I am? Feel free to block me if you like. The only real issue I have is not wearing my glasses lol
Go fuck your self, dumbass. You start ignorant ass shit with me cuz you’re too stoopid and lazy to put your glasses on and I’M the “jackass”? Get over yourself, fuckwit.
Anyone still supporting Trump at this point needs some serious therapy. Perhaps these people can't read or understand basic facts, better bring out the sock puppets.
Soon you’ll get him. Just wait.
Sure was. How about those tax returns? Bahahaha.
Says the chicken shit anonymous dolt. I bet your grand daddy let you play with mr lappy the growing sock puppet
He should be charged and put on trial 100% as should anyone that has irrefutable evidence proving they committed crimes. The key part is the irrefutable evidence not what fox or CNN or any corporate media talk news show host thinks happened. That committee provided evidence from mainly all Republicans in trump's corner. Anyone saying what about democrats... I say two things. One, stay on topic this is asking about trump and him alone. Two, yes if the dems can be proven to have broken the law, not an accusation of breaking the law, then yes they should go down too.
What laws did Trump break? Please be specific. Just one would be good
@TheNameIsRob All of the laws being spoken about are alleged for now. The evidence that is piling up suggests he definitely stole top secret documents which he admitted he could declassify with his mind. That's false. He broke the presidential records act.
www.factcheck.org/.../
Feel free to read the above link. This makes it illegal to do what he did with the documents he had at his home.
Anytime there's an ex of misuse of top secret documents you will see arrests made except for Trump. He is getting a lot more leeway than anyone deserves. Most likely to make sure they dot I's and cross T's but here's an ex of a federal contractor who misused top secret docs and what happened to him. There are many more examples that you can search for.
www-pbs-org.cdn.ampproject.org/.../federal-contractor-arrested-taking-classified-information
Here's what happened to him.
www.npr.org/.../ex-nsa-contractor-who-stole-top-secret-documents-sentenced-to-9-years-in-prison
Again if your point is the laws he broke are all alleged yes for now because for him to have been responsible he needs to be found guilty.
There is enough evidence to prosecute him right now. That said the DOJ still needs to also overlook the criminal findings the Jan 6 committee handed over which they have a legal obligation to do so even if they have their own evidence.
An interview with Glen Kirschner. Hers an attorney and former US army prosecutor and legal analyst.
https://youtu.be/UvuagtRyODc
Oh and his companies lol... Criminal tax fraud. He owns these companies remember.
www.usatoday.com/.../
It was all bullshit, including the "riots."
If you charge Trump with bullshit, you have to charge other people with similar bullshit.
what financial crimes? his tax record turned out to be completely clean. yeah he lied publicly about how much he actually paid in taxes but that doesn't matter, cause bottom line is: he paid his taxes and used all lawfull tools to reduce his tax as anyone does.
If they did nothing when BLM burned down all those citys. Why do anything now. There's evidence of Trump saying to stay peaceful. The bigger question is why the democrats refused to let the nation guard come to the capital building after TRUMP call out the Guard.
In any other civilized country he would have been arrested within days and prosecuted. In less civilized ones he'd be facing the gallows.
Exactly
A large group of people doesn't set off to collectively do something without a leader.
@grega239 Nobody is disputing that Trump's speechwriters included the words "peacefully and patriotically" in his speech. The trouble is they were sandwiched in between lies about the election 'we won this election and we won it in a landslide', and statements that, in context, encouraged and foreseeably resulted in lawless action at the Capitol. Statements like: "if you don't fight like hell you're not going to have a country anymore."
Those of us watching with unbiased eyes outside of America all put the blame firmly on DJ, as would any independent war crimes court..
@grega239 "fight like hell is not a literal statement... and you know that."
I do not "know that", and it's clear the people who went and fought like hell to keep him in the presidency didn't know that either.
A peaceful protest outside the Capitol would not have achieved Trump's aim to disrupt the count, therefore that's not what Trump wanted from the crowd he knew were armed and knew weren't there to attack him. You do not send an armed mob somewhere to be peaceful.
"Let them get out. Let the weak ones get out. This is a time for strength... It's all part of the comprehensive assault on our democracy and the American people to finally standing up and saying, 'No.' This crowd is again a testament to it."
"You will have an illegitimate president, that's what you'll have. And we can't let that happen."
"We will not be intimidated into accepting the hoaxes and the lies that we've been forced to believe over the past several weeks. We've amassed overwhelming evidence about a fake election."
"We're going to see whether or not we have great and courageous leaders or whether or not we have leaders that should be ashamed of themselves throughout history, throughout eternity, they'll be ashamed. And you know what? If they do the wrong thing, we should never ever forget that they did. Never forget. We should never ever forget."
For what? Because you don’t like him? F’ing Nazi
@TheNameIsRob you talking? to me
With the Tide Pod -colored glasses off, you'll see that his questionable pardoning of Blagojevich is much more grounds for investigation than January 6. After all, he called for heightened security. It was Pelosi who insisted on telling security to ignore a direct presidential order. Why won't the Piece of Schiff investigate Pelosi?
When you said panel I though you were asking for our views as a panel? Trump should be charged over the Jan 6 insurrection. He should have been charged as soon as he left office, preferably before. Apparently Merrick Garland was wrong, some people ARE above the law.
In a nutshell, yes. It will be a tough case to prosecute but there’s no doubt he created a false narrative and then fueled it to stir violence. That shouldn’t go unanswered. The election tampering in Georgia and stealing classified and top secret documents will be easier crimes to prosecute though.
Then why haven’t they prosecuted him? Really why haven’t they? Because after six years of trying to crawl up his ass they suddenly feel compassionate towards him and want to give him a break? Or because they’re full of shit and have nothing? Hmmm what do you think? Not just Rosie O’Donnell lmao
@TheNameIsRob Why are you in a rush? Evidence of criminality is certainly there. Most clearly in Georgia and the classified documents case. The slow crawl is purely political. It will kick off a political firestorm to indict an ex-president and Trump is likely to try to incite violence if they do. I think state and federal prosecutors want to make sure they have the strongest case possible before making an unprecedented move. People around Trump are also resisting subpoenas and stalling. Eventually it will play out. He’ll likely be indicted this year. We’ll get you a box of tissues when it happens.
Yeah he should he spoke out of both sides of his mouth on Twitter saying what they are doing is right and the election was taken from him but they should go home which if your trying to stop a raid don't say they are right or lie about the election results. Also Trump tried to go to capital by taking the wheel from his driver but was unsuccessful. Let's hope this epstein lover gets the book thrown at him
It was Trump who threw Epstein out of his resort for hitting on an underage girl. Maybe you’re thinking of Bill Gates and Clinton. He didn’t try to grab the wheel you dolt the secret service said that was made up, as if anyone with their head out of their ass would know. Pathetic cause all you do is parrot. Here’s a fucking cracker
Yet he wishes epsteins female accomplice best of luck in prison and not in the sarcastic way, and didn't he start hanging out with them after he was accused or convicted the first time around in the late 2000s. As for the ss thing, I wouldn't trust their word as the secret service agent you're referring to was caught lying and retired shortly after, so we wouldn't have to testify. Listen to something else besides fox News mate
No. No only was the panel composed entirely of biased individuals, but they refused to allow any mitigating evidence to be presented. I would leave it up to the independent counsel to decide if there is sufficient evidence, but I will not ever trust a kangaroo court.
Not only.
The Jan6th panel should be charged for wasting millions of taxpayer dollars for political reasons.
We do not have all the info as per usual with The Democrats the jury was all Democrats [ I know 2 Rinos were on the panel, but they are really Democrats so like the two impeachments before all Democrats before the gavel dropped, he was already guilty, and not even allowed to call defense witnesses] . Plus they waited a full year to formulate the rules to play with again. So, this is a Kangaroo Cort again nothing fair about again.
Yeah they know he will win so of course they want him to go away. It's really that simple no matter if he is innocent.
Read the Constitution to learn what restrictions are placed on someone being President. Trump could be elected from a jail cell.
While it has been shown that the FBI deliberately suppressed the Hunter Biden laptop story? Seems like a double standard to me.
“…seeing how the media treats both of those is very telling.” That’s not the topic here. The topic, as stated in the text of the question, is about Trump’s actions and what responsibility lays with him with regards to Jan. 6th.
“They made me do it” doesn’t even work in a kindergarten class, never mind the national stage.
That being said, I have to ask.
If the ever-elusive PeePee tape made an appearance, and you found out Nancy Pelosi had it in her possession for month before it’s release, would you believe it as wholly as you do the supposed contents on Hunter Biden’s laptop?
At this point I don' t believe a damn thing the Dems say Trump did or did not do.
They thought he wanted them to, Trump told them "they" were stealing the election from them, Trump had called them there, Trump knew they were armed and on his side, Trump told them they had to fight like hell, and Trump sent them to the Capitol to stop the count. How were they supposed to do that with a peaceful protest outside?
Of course it's not irrelevant, especially not if there's a trail of people the convicts conspired with that leads all the way to Trump. They, the "Oath Keepers", were the people "providing security" for Roger Stone.
Even without that, Eastman told people that his scheme to steal the presidency went against the law, and they tried it anyway.
There is indisputable evidence that Drumpf suggested peaceful protests. He’s relieved of all responsibility at that point. Maybe we should take high ranking democrats to court for the violence Antifa perpetrates repeatedly with impunity.
@Chazmatazz269 Yes, he read three words, written by his speech writers, in a speech about how the country would be lost if people didn't "fight like hell" for it. Oh, look, there's three other words saying the exact opposite.
Ell oh ell! As always, you allow your bias to override your intellect.
@Chazmatazz269 Not really, and I've got the testimony of 1000 Republican witnesses that back up the fact that Trump was trying everything in his power, no matter how illegal, to stay in the presidency. Just watch the committee's hearings.
@Juxtapose No. Just no. You have the information at your fingertips, but you refuse to look at it.
@Juxtapose You've read the Jan 6 committee report? It's the result of interviews under oath with over 1000 almost exclusively Republican operatives and Trump assistants. There are texts, emails and other documentation of what Trump was planning, who suggested the plan, how they were carrying it out, and how the Capitol attack was not a distant rally that "got out of hand", but pre-planned and intended to stop the count.
You understand that attempting to "by force to prevent, hinder, or delay the execution of any law of the United States" is a federal crime, and that two people have already been convicted of that crime in relation to Jan 6th and are awaiting sentencing?
Didn’t the 1/6 panel just cancel Trumps subpoenas after FBI informant Ray Epps admitted to planning the attack?
The man is an idiot and should be un jail for what he did
"but the panel did find several financial crimes of Trump’s."
Says you.
No
He didn't instigate it or call for it.
if it's not trumps it's someone far, far worse! mark my words.
Well our constitution does allow for protest and to overthrow a tyrannical government to call it a intersection to bypass the constitution is messed up now I'm not a fan of Trump but the panel is playing games
To add how many politicians , judge's and police have committed treason and have bribed their way out of a criminal charges?
Executed alongside the rest of us republicans as the democrats dream of and actively beg for every single day
Donald Trump is absolutely innocent and he needs to be left alone. Donald Trump for president 2024!!
If the J 6 committee could have convicted Trump without incriminating themselves. The investigation would not have lasted as long as it did!
Because he is trump no and he also should have stayed in office, way better President then Joe Biden (Brandon)!
Nope. But if he is, I will do my part in reminding the crowd who thinks the US justice system is corrupt that this is a act of corruption.
People being charged and tried for potential crimes is an act of corruption?
Don’t you want to see the evidence tested in court? I thought Trump and his supporters were all upset about the fact that there was no cross examination of the witnesses. Nobody there to speak for Trump.
A court trial would give that opportunity.
You don’t want to see those people questioned about their claims?
@UCrayCray According to some people, yes it seems like they think thats corruption. They howled about corruption before Chauvin's trisl reached its verdict, and then strangly shut up and celebrated once they got the verdivt they wanted. But after Kyle Rittenhouse's verdict, then they howled about corruption again. So if Trump is charged, I will do these hypocrites the favor of reminding them of corrupt they think this is.
I don't think Trump should be dragged to court over this at all, but yes I would like to see that evidence and hear those witnesses. I just said that I don't think he should be charged, and if he is I will be friendly enough to remind hypocrites who has stated the US justice system is corrupt, that this is corrupt in their opinion.
@UCrayCray I don't want to be hypocritical?
I don't think Trump should be dragged to court. If he has to, then yes I want to see the evidence and hear the witnesses. I don't think he is guilty.
Yes guilt or innocence matters. If they can prove he actually is guilty, which I think they won't, then he should get what he deserves. I'm not going to chant "ORANGE MAN BAD" but I wouldn't ignore it either.
So without actually seeing the evidence tested, you believe he’s not guilty. And since you don’t believe he’s guilty, even without seeing the evidence, you don’t think it should he tested in a court of law?
And if they do choose to test it in a court of law, it’s corruption?
Does that sound right? Because that’s what it sounds like you’re saying to me.
@UCrayCray
- I'm saying that yes, I don't think he is guilty.
-I'm not saying it should not, I'm saying I don't think they need to test it.
I think its going to be a leftist farce to attempt to smear Trump again.
- No I don't think its becessary corruption. But if he is found guilty, I'm going to be kind and remind the people who scream like banshees about how corrupt the system is, that they think its corrupt. Because obviously if the system is corrupt, its not magically not corrupt when it delivers verdicts they like.
@UCrayCray Leftists usual anti-Trump antics. Have you heard the story about the boy who cried wolf? There is only so many fake Orange man bad lies one can take before you lose all trust in Orange man bad comments.
You idiots just won’t let this go will you?
That Republican should fear for his life if trump IS charged
I voted yes. I think he be charged and forced to pay some sort of fine for financial crimes. Maybe give it to a charity.
Why? What did he do wrong?
He definitely should and definitely will.
Are you guys gonna get him this time? Ooh, almost.
@Juxtapose That’s why they’re autistic screeching over Jan 6 so much.
No everyone made their choice
Absolutely NOT..!
I think politicians should get back to work.
No. And I will tell you another thing, it feeds him. When twitter banned him it was feeding him. The more democrats and liberals try to silence, ban censor and jail him the more powerful he becomes. Trying charge him for Jan 6th will just stir up more support and popularity for him, divide the country further, generate more distrust for the government and the system, start riots and ultimately lend power to more extreme right wingers.
Dave Chapelle explained why Trump is popular
youtube.com/shorts/YhQi0vcd54Q?feature=share
Trump is disgusting Ill leave it at that.
yes he brought chaos and 2 people died
well, it would be amusing.
Panel? LOL
No he is innocent
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