I guess I’d just ask…why the “Black Attack”?

[OddBeMe]

Is this what 2024 red candidates have to do for red meat on the right? Refuse an African American course just to cause trouble? This is a teaspoon in the ocean of Florida’s fcked up politics. And Repubs waste time for this sht.

What about white American studies!

This is racist af

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[Stoner710]

He is not you’re spending this or you’re listening to too much liberal media.
how much sexuality and transgender ism has nothing to do with black history..

Frederick Douglass, MLK, Booker T. Washington, Multimax, the 5 L of the civil rights movement. All of them either Christian or Muslim they would have been against how much sexuality in transgenderism. How do you know we’re not clear, but even today how many all these people will be on the right all these people are being Republican this is how far you have gone to the left on racial issues you’ve gone straight up Marxist, kill everyone who is white or agrees with so called white ideology, which is basically Christian ideology. Please explain to me since I know you’re an atheist how the Marquis de Sade is not the most authentic atheist ever.

[OddBeMe]

What are you talking about? You’re rambling

[Sevenpointfive]

haha sinners. persecution of everything that's not white

[NewsReader]

Misleading. The reason for rejecting the material is because it's not a course on factual information from a purely historical perspective. The course is pushed by people with a political agenda and are trying to indoctrinate rather than teach a basic course on history. The content within the course purposely leaves out key facts and focuses on biased woke ideology. No one is against teaching about slavery and things like that. But when the purpose is to indoctrinate, it will leave a false and inaccurate impression. And that should be avoided.

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/florida-proudly-teaches-african-american-history-official-says-he-defends-2023-01-21/

[OddBeMe]

Are all courses judged by that? Or just ones about black people?

[NewsReader]

You responded so fast, you didn't read the article or even give any thought about what I wrote. And all courses need to be taught from an unbiased point of view and without the purpose of brainwashing students.

[OddBeMe]

That’s not what college is for. It’s to teach how to think. Not what.

[OddBeMe]

And I’ve read that article already. I get it, it’s an extra black course. Besides the merits of whether it should be in the curriculum, I’m asking why desantis feels this is correct politics.

[NewsReader]

As I mentioned, the purpose of the course is not to make students smarter or know how to think. It's about indoctrinating them. Students should not be indoctrinated. It's like pushing someone to only read / watch news from one point of view to give them a false sense of reality (and history in this case). It's manipulation.

[goaded]

Isn't that what the Florida government is doing?

[Msputiton]

Critical race theories is not a lie. Learn real American history.
Up until the 1970's we literally had laws for black people and laws for white people for the exact reason of keeping white people in power and us down.
Laws prohibiting us the same education. Places to eat. Jobs we were allowed to work.
Where we were allowed to live.
Where we were allowed to sit on a bus.
Where we were allowed to wash our clothes.
We weren't allowed to go in the front doors of hotels.
We were restricted in every single thing possible.
Why do you think martin luther king marched?
It is why our history is not taught in public schools.
It isn't about woke culture. It is America is ashamed of what they did to us.
So they want it out of schools.
So the real woke is the people who try to hide history because it offends them

[OddBeMe]

Please show the research that says this course isn’t educational.

[OddBeMe]

Curriculum of course actually looks interesting. Scroll to Page 9:
www.nbcnews.com/.../ap-african-american-studies-course-florida-rejected-rcna67112

[NewsReader]

Obviously they are gonna include basic stuff that already gets taught in general history rather than "White History" or "Black History or whatever. I learned about African slaves, culture and other things throughout middle school. It was required. And it's required in Florida as well. No one has any problem with history about African Americans in general. It's part of history just like everything else. So all the accurate stuff is already being taught. But this course is designed for indoctrination. The reason it's problematic is because it includes false claims about "Queer theory", Intersectionality, "Critical Race Theory", and harmful manipulation that white kids of today need to bear responsibility and feel guilty for what their ancestors did many decades and centuries ago. That's bad for mental health and has no benefits whatsoever. If you want your kids to be indoctrinated, teach them that stuff at home. Homeschooling is at record high levels because of courses and agendas like the one being pushed here. Parents don't want these false claims inserted into their heads.

[Msputiton]

That is inaccurate.
It is not making white kids feel responsible. It is showing how these laws impacted America as it is today.
And yes these laws have shaped America to what we see today.
Many of our parents were not allowed the same education or jobs. So we are still fighting out of a whole that was created by these laws.
That is the message.
This is not allowed.

And you say black history is taught, but it's barely taught. We paint a picture that America was just great for black people once slavery ended. We don't discuss the over hundred years of laws that basically kept us as slaves without being called a slave.
Black history month wasn't our choice.
That was schools not at all wanting to put our history in schools.
They comprimised to keep our history out of us history courses by giving us 1 month a year. And even then the lack of information given and the sugar coating of it is a joke.
We do not talk about our shops being burned to the ground. How white people got in crop dusters made homemade bombs and bombed an entire black owned and ran town, just because it was successfully ran. Non of our accomplishments that helped build America through our shoulders are discussed.
We have these monuments to slave owners who get all the credit for building America, even though most of it was done on our shoulders with 0 credit to our ancestors for it.
So no black history isn't taught in America just the little bit of it that they want people to know about and when it is suggested to teach more it is discredited as propaganda to shame white people

[Msputiton]

And again home schooling is at an all time high because of the pandemic, but even if people are removing kids over discussing what was done to black people in America it proves ya still do not want to discuss our part of American history.
The lynchings the castrations, the murders. And this is things that happened to us after slavery.
The fact that a white cop wouldn't allow a black man to save a white girl's life because he refused to let a lowly black man take credit for saving a white girl.

So what really is going on is it is an embarrassing time in America and it paints a ugly picture and white people are embarrassed about it.
And they would rather lie, deny and hide it than let it be taught.
It is why slavery and racism is so easily excused because most people have 0 clue how dark and how much damage it caused to a race that has been tortured for almost all of America.
America proud of land of the free, so they hide that one part of it was not free for almost all of it's existence

[OddBeMe]

@Msputiton and literature by black authors.

[Msputiton]

Very true

[Leopard23]

Honestly we need to take a serious look at college education, what is being taught, how much it costs, how much money is wasted and what former students who can't pay their student loans back studied and should they have been admitted to college in the first place going by their high school academics and completely regardless of left vs right politics.

I was late going to college but the thing I instantly noticed was the sheer waste of money my college spent on bullshit, which would have been OK but I and the rest of the students there were paying for it all this. Let's be honest there's a lot of very soft courses taught in many colleges that could maybe be taught at community college to maybe a senior citizen or housewife with too much time on their hands.

I'm sure there's a direct correlation to college graduates with student debts they can't pay making minimum wage or just above and what they studied in college.

[OddBeMe]

The cost for sure…but on vast averages college degree is the variable between poverty or not poverty.

[Leopard23]

On paper it appears so. I know many college graduates flipping burgers or and many people who went to trade school that are making dammed good money. I'm sure if you've ever had to pay an electrician, mechanic or plumber you'd wonder if it was worth going to college.

[OddBeMe]

So statistics and research says I’m right, but you know college grads out of work. Thanks for proving my point.

[Leopard23]

I dont trust spastics or research. Often they are done with confirmation bias, political or corporate motivations.

[OddBeMe]

They’re published and then there’s a consensus about whether it’s right or wrong.

Like a recent example. The EU used a research paper about economic austerity but then tons of scientists came out and said it’s absolute horse shit.

[Leopard23]

Consensus means little. You think a college and its proffessors are going to say that they are failing college kids?
I mean no consensus or differences of opinions is tolerated when it comes to climate change.

[OddBeMe]

Do you know how science works? By consensus. It’s the lynch pin.

[Leopard23]

Nonsense. It works by scientists being freely able to question and conduct research. There was once a consensus that the sun revolved around the earth, scientists who disagreed were locked up.

[OddBeMe]

yeah... and? There was consensus that atoms were the smallest things in the universe. then we cracked it open. then we cracked open subatomic particles. And we still may be wrong about the Higgs boson.

So science can't progress? one thing wrong and it proves... what?

[ParaAustral]

I'm not opposed to learning about black history if it is true black history. The Bantu genocide of the non-black Khoisans, Horn Africans, Pygmies etc. The massive internal African slave trades, how Zanzibar kept Georgian slaves and how the Mali Empire imported Eurasian Turkic slaves, and how they sold their fellow Africans to not only Western powers but Oriental ones too.

[OddBeMe]

Sure, but you’re leaving out their customers…Americans.

[exitseven]

The Black History course we are talking about was really some perverted course with homeosexuality and other stuff that kids do not need to be exposed to. It was just disguised as a Black History course.

[OddBeMe]

Uhh no. You need to stop going to extreme YouTubers for news. Flip to page 9 of the ciurriculum pdf if you’re interested in truth. Just insult me if you’re not :)
www.nbcnews.com/.../ap-african-american-studies-course-florida-rejected-rcna67112

[exitseven]

I am going by Gov DeSantis' explanation of this. I don't know what was the real story.

[OddBeMe]

I don’t see that in the curriculum. Have you read the curriculum? Or just regurgitating a right wing YouTuber?

[exitseven]

Since It happened in Florida I imagine DeSantis was on top of it.

[NewsReader]

Here is an excellent podcast episode from WSJ. They explain what topics are included in the course, what DeSantis said about it, and more.

[NewsReader]

www.wsj.com/.../0f15d281-1ff1-4256-880b-567bddadf796

[Juxtapose]

Good on him, this woke shit disguised as history needs to go.

[OddBeMe]

What’s not historical about it? Have you read the curriculum or just relying on tiktockers?

[Juxtapose]

"The revised framework comes after Florida—led by Gov. Ron DeSantis (R)—rejected the course for including studies on such topics as intersectionality and queer theory, claiming that it pushed a “political agenda” and “lacks educational value.”

That's pure wokeness and social justice bullshit man.

[Anonymous]

Probably because it teaches Queer Theory (something you could teach a class in)

AND NO ONE NEEDS African American STUDIES TO LEARN ABOUT MLK, MALCOLM X, OR THE CIVIL RIGHTS MOVEMENT YOU COLOSSAL DIPSHIT.

[OddBeMe]

It doesn’t. But why should that be a disqualification?

[gorydetails]

Ah, so your lying went from “don’t say gay” to “black attack”. At least you idiots incorporate rhyming.

[OddBeMe]

We learn from you “MAGA” idiots.

[gorydetails]

If you learned from MAGA folks you wouldn't have voted for China Joe. You would have voted for someone not actively working to destroy America.