Cost of billions along with millions of lives. How much should we fight with China if we confirm they let Covid escape one of their labs?

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Trending & News Cost of billions along with millions of lives. How much should we fight with China if we confirm they let Covid escape one of their labs?

A combination, sanctions and stop all imports into the US from China, world wide sanctions like what is happening against Russia too, all the allies.
This would hurt but it could also in the long run, help industries to move back to the US or at least closer and safer places like Mexico. The US can become less dependent on chinese child labor and after all it sucks to be dependent on a communist country who hates us.
It would be good for lowering shipping pollution too as world wide shipping is a massive polluter. Climate change people should be happy to get on board with this idea.
The second part is the US to stand up with Allies in the south China sea, Taiwanand others. Place troops, missile and other weaponary there and promise to remove on the condition they reimburse the rest of the world for the damage.
Several Trillion dollars, once payment is received then things can change to the status quo if they do it in a reasonable time.
This way, the US would not be starting a war. It would totally be up to China to decide to attack or not.
Took a long time to get nationlist industry up to living wage quality, but not tyat long for it to be offshored and therefore set back many decades. Welcome to hard choices, this time we need eco nationlism of industry.
When recycling starts getting actually serious... I have three repairable pgone in my closet. I never throw out critical minerals.
On a more serious note, does it cincdrn anyone else that 37% of this poll doesn't know? Or is that perhaps a sign of healthy caution and consideration.
Well we’re gonna have to wait for a republican to take office Joe Biden won’t do anything. Now as I said almost 3 years ago at this point when democrats called me a crazy conspiracy theorist for even asking the question did Covid come from a Chinese lab. Now guess what? IT CAME FROM A LAB! Not so much of a crackpot conspiracy after all.
now of course I think we should isolate China from all trade and sent up a blockade around the South China Sea and prevent ships from leaving, Especially since we know they want to attack Taiwan. Frankly china should been seen the same way as we see North Korea, and frankly any Americans who helped in the gain of function research should be in prisoner for life. Preferably they get the same treatment as the Nazis in the nuremberg trial aka execution. Also we should sneak weapon into China and western propaganda so the Chinese people would be encouraged to rebel against their own government. It’s not the people of China’s fault, it’s the leader ship and once your leadership gets this bad. You have the moral obligation to kill everyone in your government or in prison, The Chinese still believes in the Mandate of Heaven you can loose the Mandate of Heaven and the CCP definitely has lost the Mandate of Heaven
Do you really think some dude at a bat or a pangolin and contracted Covid 19?
Now of course trumps trade war didn’t work, Tariffs rarely work, There useful for some things like by American oil, but for the most part it was stupid. However sanctions which would have to happen if China released the virus (that’s only if it was released on accident). If it was discovered it was done on purpose that would be a lot more then just sanctions that means forced isolation and maybe invasion of China. Which would just lead us into ww3 because Russia and Iran with help of Afghanistan could just sneak in goods the Chinese need.
Lol.
Because I have common sense, I don’t need evidence to look at where the virus came from, oh they’re a virology lab in the city right next to the supposed wet market. Also government lies to us all the time why should I believe any government? Either way I’m going to take the word of the U. S government over China. I never took the absolute position it was created in a lab (I am now) I always said we need a full investigation (which the Chinese won’t help with or even allow) we know what we know now because the NIH has admitted to doing gain of function research at the Wuhan Lab. Of course Fauci is trying to stay out of jail because he lied to congress.
They’ve discovered that Covid-19 doesn’t exist in any bag population in the world even the energy department is saying it’s comes from the lab the FBI saying it’s coming from the lab everyone is saying it’s coming from a lab a lot more experts then me. You had doctors at the start of the pandemic saying Covid was man made. Had we been told the truth from the beginning we could have had an affective vaccine.
When this is all said and done we are going to have international trials similar to the Nuremberg trials in fauci will be arrested as someone who knew was going on and lied over and over.
Lol..
Right it’s speculation but given that the wet market that Covid supposedly leaked from is a fish only market so unless now you want to tell me that COVID-19 came from a fish that doesn’t hold up well you have the flu and lab of virology what 100 to 300 yards away something like that it’s not far weather conducting experiments on bat coronaviruses. The fact that scientists that are not Dr Fauci who actually treated patients with COVID-19 say this seems to be lab made, But it’s all a conspiracy theory until we have evidence, Sure I’m willing to do an investigation to figure out where it actually came from if it was released on purpose or accident. (I don’t have a theory on whether it was accidental or purposeful.) but China won’t let us investigate so we can’t get the evidence, which again is weird because you would think that if it came from a bat china would want to prove that rather then show how incompetent they are in science and not have a global pandemic that killed 7.5 million people Globally, The most we could do that point if it did come From nature is to definitely have China shut down every single white market in its country because that’s obviously a place where diseases can spread. You love your government the FDA would have shut down those wet markets why hasn’t China? There so many questions that need to be answered still, but Covid-19 95% likely came from the Wuhan lab of virology
The "don't know" option should really be "other". We know COVID came from China. We know they are a threat to Taiwan. The best bet would be a blockade. The Chinese Navy cannot match the U. S. Navy. They technically have more ships, but our Navy has both better ships and better training.
They would have no effective means to stop us. They would be unable to declare war on us without committing international-standing suicide as we would not be in their waters, no matter what they say their border is. We could stop them from shipping goods out of China by way of sea. Couple this with crippling sanctions and China would be hurting for decades.
First, tell me how much reparations the USA should pay if created in a USA lab and released in China in order to blame it on China.
Strawman argument and incomplete question, missing data. For one thing, we are talking 340 million to 1.4 billion people in the two respective nations alone, to say nothing of the rest of the world.
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It’s funny how social media censored this theory when it first came out during the pandemic despite there being existing evidence it was likely. Like it’s somehow less “racist” to assume a Chinese national consumed a bat in a wet market vs. this being an accident in a research lab.
Western countries kiss Chinese government ass’s for 3 reasons:
1. We are economically dependent on their manufacturing and exports. This is a very sad but somewhat plausible reason. If China cut off exports it would spell disaster for many western industries.
2. We are fearful of their military power. Getting a direct military conflict with China is a dangerous prospect. This is highly unlikely given China needs western trade, relationships and support just as much the we need their manufacturing. But still a direct war with a nation with a very powerful military and nuclear weapons is the true beginning of WW3.
3. Some western leftists actually like and want communism. Pointing out that their government is a brutal communist dictatorship which occasionally makes cataclysmic mistakes because they wanted to “save face” garners up more adversary to communist run systems.
The Chinese government knew about the huge threat covid was in late 2019 and yet didn’t say a peep about it. They could of shut down their country and contained the spread but instead they tried to save face and act like nothing happened. That ended up costing millions of lives and trillions of dollars in economic damage.
And the most pathetic of all excuse not to criticize the Chinese government (not citizens the government) is because that was somehow “racist” which was absolutely ass backward and ridiculous.
Chinese strength is its weakness, numbers. Starge China, you dont need a war. Much like everyone needs the Amazon to breath and the oceans, we need to not be infected from the same part if the world over and over again. International mistakes need international reactions. Other than that, I think everyone is way too critical of China amd that China is way to critical of the world that opened up to it. They choose to limit themselves, because I know for a fact from studies that Made in China produces far greater goods than Wish will ever convey.
It should always be brought up endlessly, regardless of anything coming from it. The politicians should never stop bringing it up. They should ask all the time, new treaties, ask for it. UN meetings, ask for it.
Even 50 years from now, should be still asking for it from China.
Let's be clear as a former CIA contractor I know for a fact that China said to themselves that if the Americans are going to elect trump then we will release this virus showing that we are the most powerful and we don't need nukes to take you out. America said ok we are sorry and gave us Biden. China gave us a warning and that warning was Covid19.
Well does it make sense what I said? If it doesn't then why bother with evidence.
You don't think China would attack us under the radar through a virus?
No nobody said it would destroy anything or anyone but show they are in charge and can do what they want when they want without anyone blinking an eye.
China has never seen the likes of Trump so they attacked us, killed us without ever shooting a gun or firing a missile
I am, officer skipp'ys full of shit.
It was a naturally occurring virus of novel coronal origin, any flu variant could have been made more potent or weapons grade in a lab in Wuhan, Vermont, Winnepeg... The WEF has since utilized this pandemic to hold all populations medically captive in a medical regime, while they feed you a proxy war in Ukraine, to distribute and recentralize your wealth to Europe to ptepare for digital id which they will force you to accept by translating your weaoth and assets into digital currency klonoy accessible through your digital ID. YOU WILL BE TAKING ANYTHING THEY ASK AFTER THAT. Woke is psy op, everything is a psyop, with the objective being to reduce you or I down to an exploitable algorithm. I can throw down conspiracies too. Or even plausiboe scenarios. I worked for Csis for 27 years... and Candians never lie ;)
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Prove it with irrefutable evidence then.
Who gives a shit where it came from. I mean, I think the lab thing is a huge red herring.
The response from Western governments and their dumb and compliant populace were the things that were ruinous.
They sabotaged and destroyed their own economies. And allowed themselves to be ruled by fear. All around cowardice, uni-covid psychosis and a lack of critical thinking predominated.
Though to say but the reality is that there is nothing that can be done about it. If China is to blame for this event then its just opening another can of worms. What is stopping others from doing the same for other diseases. Going to war won't solve anything because really what is being gained. You can sanction them but the leverage China holds is the cheap export market will cause more damage then the virus itself. You live and move on. Every era has its battles.
We have known it came from a lab for years, almost since day one.
We also know our Federal goverment in partly responsible in helping to fund theses reckless experiments.
In both cases the guilty party would have to take responsibility for the mistake.
Beyond that the only option we have is to collectively try and take action against them.
You can't win a war with Nuclear China so your only options are economic.
@oddbeme I find this evidence compelling. It is rather unlikely we could ever get anything more definitive.
We have established the implausibility of natural development with the lack of prior history before bursting on the seen perfectly adapted to humans.
We have established the method by which this happened in funding of just such Gain of Function research on just such a virus.
We have established where and when this happened with such scientist becoming sick right before in the very area of the very city where the virus was first discovered.
We’ll start by tarring and feathering Fauci, and then taking all the money he made from the pharma companies and however else he enriched himself. Then we’ll go after the pharma companies. Then we go after China. You dorks in the blue states should hold trials for your government employees who kept you locked down, but we know you dopes still think it was a good idea.
Moderna just gave about half a billion to NIAID.
His income increased from $7.6 million to $12.6 million dollars During the pandemic. Even you should be able to figure that one out.
The Chinese would laugh at you just like they laugh at patent law.
Regardless of where it came from covid should be a wake up call. How long did it take the US government to shut down air travel? They waited until it was too late
I'm going to kill that fucking dolphin it's the last thing I ever do.
forget it - even if it could be proved it is not worth a war.
It is very much complicated as we heavily depend on China for many things. It is better to leave it to the Government to handle.
I did not mean you alone. I mean everybody should leave it to the Government to handle. They know the truth and the details.
Be careful, that lead to WWII...
Why would we charge them when we were the ones funding the GOF? Maybe we should fine ourselves?
Gain of Function research
above my pay grade, what's the benefit of investing in that... weapons of war? My point is why are we punishing china if we are funding it? We could fine them like we do companies that have poor protocols, but we would also be culpable wouldn't we? Whom is held responsible... the mafia boss or his cousin guido that does the work?
I'm assuming we paid for GOF, we know we funded the lab.
we know they did it. it wasn't considered biological warfare. no one has taken responsibility. conspiracy?
I don't think there will be any real repercussions.
It depends.
1. From a Chinese lab, accidentally, with the lab partially funded by the CDC. None.
2. Intentionally? Forfeiture of all Chinese holdings in the West would not be sufficient compensation.
Well sanctioning China will only hurt you because they supply all those cheap goods you like. WW3 would kill more people than COVID. Trying to sue them would at least keep lawyers in work for several years.
If the US funded the research, perhaps the USG should put sanctions on itself.
We funded the research in Wuhan to skirt a ban on gain of function research that was imposed by the Obama Admin in the US. I’m not saying the lab is without culpability, but funding this research was a known, debated risk subject to a short-lived ban in the US. If the CCP is guilty, so is the US.
I guess when I read about it…it’s more complex:
“Even now, it’s not clear whether the research funded by EcoHealth in China amounted to gain of function. When the Intercept obtained EcoHealth documents in September, seven of 11 scientists who are virologists or work in adjacent fields told the Intercept that the work appeared to meet NIH’s criteria for gain-of-function research. Obviously, it’s a matter of dispute within the scientific community.”
You a liberal are just trying to trick us into saying that we should demand reparations so that black people can demand repartations.
It escaped/was deliberately released from a China lab, but the research that created the virus was funded by the US. Who is really to blame--the one who created something they couldn't contain, or the one who paid them to do it?
Have them forgive a good portion of our debt to them.
Why don't we just cancel the concept of reparations? It's rather ridiculous.
How about we cancel a few trillion dollars of our debt that they own?
The U. S could make a case of the release, the cost to the U. S. and announce this cancellation in lieu of other retaliation. The bond market would take a near-term hit, but as long as the powers that be assure the world that our debt is secure (LOL), it should bounce back.
Sanctions and stop China from providing arms to Russia although I don’t know how that could be done.
all Americans have to do if it says made in China put it back on the shelf
only Blacks can ask for reparations as they were most impacted by COVID-19 deaths
unless
Science says something else
It shou;d be at least 3 trillion dollars.
sanctions hurt everyone there is no winners
I thought this was a conspiracy theory 🤔
Nuke em and blame it on Russia!
For the next 10,000 generations.
📞 Lets call trump and ask him about that!
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