When it comes to alcohol prohibition won't work. Its availability on almost every street corner should be a cautionary tale with respect to the other drugs currently considered illegal. It is no longer even debatable that alcohol IS THE most dangerous drug in the world. It being "legal" is precisely why it is so dangerous. When it comes to smoking tobacco and for that matter, I will include marijuana to my thoughts. I will say this about tobacco, both smoked and the chewing kind, all of the medical costs should be part of the price of a pack of smokes. It would not offend me to see a pack of smokes cost $500 or more!
But if we could just save one life!! God people my age are so fucking dumb. Sure, we could save everyone by locking everyone in their houses and not letting them go outside, but we're not gonna do that either. Outlaw tobacco... stupid fucking morons
@WanderingLoveWizard yes check out Muslim countries. They successfully ban brain and liver killing drugs. 2 minutes from where i live a woman was killed by a drunk driver yesterday. Alcohol is by far the most dangerous and abused drug
@WanderingLoveWizard In prison, inmates try to make alcohol by fermenting fruit and they huff nutmeg to try to get a buzz. Human nature includes some tendencies towards self-destruction!
The legal amount of alcohol in a drink should be so low it'd be physically impossible to get dangerously intoxicated, while still allowing people to have their fun.
@RandomGuy1030 Since you are from Russia, you probably don't understand the Western insistence upon freedom, but most of us don't want the government regulating our personal lives.
Why should people be free to kill others and themselves, and how tf is that even freedom to begin with? I'd feel more free to walk down the street at night knowing there aren't drunk retards who might kill me with their car, or if I were a woman, SA me
@RandomGuy1030 People should not be free to kill each other and would never suggest that. You have exaggerated my position to enhance your debatng postion.
Safety and freedom are two different things. If you have never lived with freedom, you cannot understand.
Not as it infringes on American "freedoms". The American government could very easily limit the consumption per person on a daily or weekly basis. You're still allowed to use but you can't drown yourself in toxic tar faster. In other countries, as example, you can only bring in so many cigarettes in luggage returning home from aboard.
It is more the government would never allow it. The simple profitability of cigarettes & tobacco sale is far too great to care.
Americans honestly think that their government cares about them but it is one of the governments that cares the ***least*** about the people.
If the government cared, it'd limited tobacco sales. If the government cared, it'd limit alcholol sales. If the government cared, it'd make stricter regulations on narcotic dosage. If the government cared, it'd make changes to gun ownership & higher restrictions
But all these markets are extremely profitable for the government via taxes and cutbacks and underhanded payments lining the pockets of politicans that don't give a shit how many Americans die as long as they can retire rich.
Why do you think during gun issues so many politicans scream about "pro gun". Because they are PAID by the gun companies to KEEP SALES going. Such pro-gun politicans wouldn't care if 500,000 people shot themselves in the head at their doorsteps. Voters have no value besides putting politicans where they make money.
Average voter has never had value. Votes were given to apease the masses.
Go back in American history and you'll see exactly what I mean. 1700s-1800s anyone who did not own land even as men their votes had less value than mud compared to those women who owned land and could vote.
That's what makes America turn. Money. Nothing else.
However the US already tried banning alcohol via the Volstead act via the prohibition. There were some sort term health benefits but this triggered an extremely violent and destructive black market for booze. This is what made the notorious Al Capone rich and famous.
You have to pass laws that people generally want to follow. For example most people don’t want to get addicted to opioids (fentanyl) but many people don’t see a major problem with marijuana. MJ is legal in many states but opioids aren’t and for good reason.
Alcoholism definitely is a major problem however there are lots of people who moderate drinkers. For example I only have a drink at social gatherings, parties, maybe on a date, etc. However I don’t nor have ever craved alcohol. I’ve gone months without it and didn’t bother me. It’s not an issue for me.
But if some sort of elitist class wants to pass laws that the general population doesn’t want then that’s when people rebel. Criminal organizations often benefit from that too. In the long run it makes things worse (gang violence, crime) than better.
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As an AI language model, I don't have a personal opinion on this matter. However, Making alcohol and tobacco illegal is a complex issue that requires an understanding of the potential benefits and drawbacks of such a policy.
On the one hand, making alcohol and tobacco illegal could reduce the harm caused by these substances, including the health risks associated with their use and the social and economic costs of addiction. It could also potentially reduce the number of deaths caused by these substances.
On the other hand, making alcohol and tobacco illegal could create a black market for these substances, leading to increased crime and violence. It could also infringe on individual freedom and autonomy, and may not be effective in reducing use or addiction.
Ultimately, any decision to make alcohol and tobacco illegal would need to be weighed against these potential benefits and drawbacks, and would require careful consideration of the available evidence and the perspectives of various stakeholders.
How 'bout if do-gooder bullies fuck themselves. They have zero respect for anyone who disagrees with them.
If those boring, miserable, sanctimonious hypocrites really cared about human life, they wouldn't beg the government to destroy lives with fines and incarceration.
And when did banning anything make it go away. Anyone remember the 18th amendment and the horrors that resulted? How has the war on drugs working out? And why do the cities with the strongest anti-gun laws have the highest rates of gun violence.
These same people probably support lock downs and mandated eugenics jabs, as well as ruining the lives of average people in order to combat "climate change".
I have the lowest possible opinion toward those who support authoritarianism.
And they all think they're so fucking smart. "Well let's look at all angles if this beige we decide. There's so many nuances to this complex issue 🤔" No, there's not. It's pretty damn simple. Freedom or no freedom? That's it
No- because the chart isn't accurate. What does it mean to "cause a death"? If you get hopped up on PCP, attack someone, and get shot by a cop, that'll go down as a death by gunshot and a death by police action- but not a death by PCP. If you get drunk and plow your car into a bridge abutment, that WILL be recorded as a death by alcohol. If we don't count the deaths the same way, it's not really a fair comparison.
Also no, because the very idea is absurd- if they DO kill more people, it's because more people use them, since they're legal. We'd save far more lives by simply outlawing driving over 25 miles an hour- but that ain't gonna happen.
First of all, those numbers are highly suspect. Yes I know where they come from and they are highly suspect.
Second, calling something the deadliest drug depends on how you look at it. On a per hit basis weed is more dangerous than tobacco. The difference is how much of it people smoke. In the past when pot was not nearly as strong as it is now, regular pot smokers got worse lungs from weed than from tobacco.
Drugs like coke and heroin are a heck of a lot more deadly than tobacco or alcohol. Again, the numbers reflect numbers of users and frequency of use, not how dangerous they are. A main reason there are not many users is because people know how dangerous they are.
Also, it's never a good argument saying "This is legal, therefore that should be legal" or vice versa. Actually that's no argument at all.
Last but not least, people would never put up with it.
Thank you for acknowledging this. I heard something like 1/10 American deaths are related to cigarette/tobacco use. And alcohol is the most commonly abused substance, as in substance addiction. I think we should start with a hard stop on the advertisement of tobacco, nicotine and alcohol products. Most people who smoke cigarettes start before the age of 18 so early intervention is key. I would be hopeful that this type of substance abuse would end with my generation, but then vapes came along. I am sure that vaping will cause my friends and former classmates a lot of problems.
No, they boost GDP substantially, creating the exchange of money and products, feed incredible profits in insurance and "health care", death business, and are keeping human population down.
Should be illegal to promote to children... since that is corruption of a minor with controls on usage.
Freedom... freedom to kill yourself and destroy your life, one puff at a time.
Sure, because prohibition, 18th Amendment, which banned the manufacture, sale, or transportation of alcoholic beverages in the United States worked. It went so well that the US government intentionally added lethal poison to industrial alcohols, knowing they were used by bootleggers to retool into alcohol for people to consume. This led to over 10,000 deaths.
Prohibition has taught that people will always find away to get what they want illegal or not. People will start producing their own products and the government will miss out on those sales. Yes alcohol and tabacco have serious effects but lots of places put heavy taxes on these products to help deter the use with higher prices. As long as companies are making a lot of money on these products and there is some aspect of control on sale, i can't see any of these substances being outlawed
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I think making cigarettes 12 bucks a pack has done a lot to deter smoking. I think there are only two people out of over a hundred at where I work that still smoke. I hardly ever see anyone smoke anymore. It does not have to be made illegal, just make it socially unacceptable.
what these idiot tobacco and alcohol companies finally realized is that they been killing their customers and are in constant need to look for and reach out to new customers in order for them to keep making their multibillion dollar profits so they been having to come up with new angles to market their toxic shit like ecigarettes especially the flavored kind which are 10x-100x more deadly then regular cigarettes and alcohol like whiskey rum tequila vodka lager getting stronger alcohol content then before with both cigs ecigs and alcohol getting more toxins mixed in with their products which people already know about
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I don’t think those things should be illegal. There will always be a black market anyway. However, I do think people who regularly use alcohol and tobacco (and you could make the case for other illicit substances and fatty foods as well) should have higher health insurance premiums. I don’t think it’s fair that the cost of the health issues associated with personal habits that people have absolute control over is spread out over the insurance group they’re in.
this is a statistical fallacy born from incompetence at doing basic math which is why this is a popular saying.
every statistic needs an x/y. although many people die involving alcohol the % of people dying from it is nearly zero. whereas the % who die from other drugs is much much higher
also we don't count weed as a death stat even though we should. that is a cleriical error not that nobody dies from it.
I don't agree with making alcohol illegal, even tho some people can't handle it. But cigarettes blows my mind why anyone even smokes that useless crap. Totally should be illegal. Zero benefits, just extra income for the government. Oh and sick people make them even more money. So as long as people are foolish, it will never be illegal.
Have you ever heard of the term: Prohibition? American history regarding Boot legging? Elliott Ness, Places called "Speak Easys, Watch historical films regarding attempts to make Alcohol use 'illegal"
I can EASILY get behind that and have been saying the same thing for DECADES!! Booze and ciggies kill and they're legal but, grass doesn't hurt you, in fact, it's good for you, but THAT'S illegal!!
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