Why have mass shootings recently been on the rise?

[annabananna]

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https://youtu.be/x5qRy8q_S4Y

I was just listening to this.

[razelove]

Probably a couple different reasons, one of them is likely the difference in definition depending on who is defining "mass shooting". FBI data is based on 3 or more people, and seems to have shot up in 2013 because the basis was changed in 2012 to be 3 or more people while congress the next year wanted to change it to 4 or more people except when money was involved, so if say it was a drug deal or robbery than it wouldn't be a mass shooting.

Different television networks also have different definitions of "mass shooting" some which need victims to die, some which need casualties, but not deaths, some which will or won't count if money is involved. Unless you're referencing FBI data I'd take any of it with a grain of salt, still, if there's a murder/suicide and one other person gets mixed up in it, that's a mass shooting.

in my opinion the best way to fight them would be stronger communities, people with things to gain and lose are less likely to go off on nihilistic cliffs like that.

[Hispanic-Cool-Guy]

I seriously thought about this and I came to conclude though mental illnesses do play a role it isn't the biggest role because other countries have mentally ill people and have guns available to their citizens and you hardly never hear a person does a random mass shooting.

I just think America is suffering from a trend that some people think its cool to shoot random people in masses to make a social statement and for attention.

[Exterminatore]

What about godlessness and the moral decay of society being a cause.

[Hispanic-Cool-Guy]

@Exterminatore: Problem is that is the way of the whole world.

America isn't unique to moral decline and the decay.

Every country has plenty of sinful and wicked people in it, yet they know better that just because they are angry and depressed doesn't mean they grap a gun and shoot and kill in mass random people especially kids at a school.

America current problem regarding random mass shootings lies in the culture, people now think if you are angry, isolated and angry that you must do random shootings at random people.

It's bizarre as hell.

[annabananna]

Good point

[Exterminatore]

@exterminator

You are correct in saying essentially the whole world lies in wickedness and that sinners are found everywhere.

However this is a new element of evil in American culture you don’t see world wide. Extreme selfishness. Essentially almost all of these killers rationals are basically: I’m not happy so I’m gonna kill other people. I have been alive long enough to see a noticeable increase in self centered and narcissistic behavior in America that was not so prevalent 30 years ago. Many other countries on Earth do not have such a drastic shift in this type of behavior.

I’m also not certain how many other countries have the availability of firearms we have.

You don’t hear about these types of things outside of terror attacks occurring many other places or this would be a global problem not mainly an American one.

I doubt many other countries have had the extreme moral free fall we’ve had and it’s very noticeable not just in terms of selfishness.

You recently posted in hear about a kid knocking his teacher out for taking away his Gameboy or whatever it was called. You won’t find that kind of thing too many other places in the world as they may face physical punishment from their governments and certainly their parents. You can literally see America becoming more narcissistic by the day. No one has basic respect or treats anyone with basic respect any more. Bunch of self centered people running around out there always taking self interest to a new extreme.

[Exterminatore]

The primary God worshiped in America is the God of self. Self worship is the primary religion in most of America.

[Hispanic-Cool-Guy]

@Exterminatore: Yes. Right one. The culture has dramatically shifted into another direction.

Kids talk to their parents like the parents aren't ish to them, even curse at their parents and dump Americans think its abuse to spank and discipline your child.

Another thing in American culture families are very dis-jointed and spread out by far distances, a few aunts in New York, a few cousins in Mississippi, a few uncles in California, 1 brother in Iowa another sister in Texas and parents living in Florida and they only see each other once or twice a year during the Holidays. That's crazy.

Such conditions create a lack of love and harmony between family members and leaves people isolated and not loved.

Another thing here in America people just aren't friendly like it is in Latin Countries.

You could live by your neighbors 30 years and not know their names at all here in the U. S.

As a Latino, I can tell you the Latin community and countries isn't like that at all.

We invite total strangers that happened to move in next door to the party and being to create community so people don't feel left out.

In America people just don't talk and want to avoid people like it's a plague and isolate themselves and a person that isolate themselves from family and community begins to start thinking BS and often does the unspeakable.

[Hispanic-Cool-Guy]

@annabananna: Thanks.

[whirled_up_girl]

@Hispanic-Cool-Guy I think that’s a good point about people living far apart from each other. For instance I live in a rural area and a lot of people have to leave real areas to find jobs in the city sometimes hundreds of miles from family. Well paying job in some fields in rural areas can be pretty scarce, depending on the geographic area.

[Tiffany_Taylor_Made]

To those who believe otherwise, mass shootings have definitely been on the rise recently. According to the statistics, mass shootings in the United States have more than doubled since the last decade. Such an increase in mass shootings can be attributed to the drastic increase in gun ownership, the idolization of other mass shooters, lack of mental health treatments, and perhaps even racism. Beginning with the increase in gun ownership, gun sales reached a record 23 million in 2020, a 65% increase from 2019, and remained high in 2021. This doesn't even include the many people in America who illegally own guns. Obviously, when more people in the United States own more guns, gun crime is more likely to increase in the United States.

Regarding the idolization of other mass shooters, note that troubled individuals often commit mass shootings. People who have been bullied or otherwise feel like victims in society become suicidal, idolize others with the same mindset, and follow their footsteps, which often lead to mass murder. For example, a person who has been bullied in school or otherwise feels like an outcast amongst his or her peers is likely to feel suicidal instead of seeking mental health treatment and/or attempting to improve his or her situation when socializing. Some male potential mass shooters might also believe that women generally reject them and become suicidal instead of seeking help. Along with their suicidal tendencies, they develop a sense of needing to seek "revenge" against those that "wronged" them to help them feel more powerful in the process, which often results in them idolizing other mass shooters with similar issues, such as the Columbine shooters and/or Elliott Roger. Their mindset becomes, "If I am eventually going down, I am going to take as many people with me as I can." This can include people that they feel bullied them, people that they failed to fit in with, or people that they feel rejected them.

As for the lack of mental health treatment, many mass shooters very rarely seek treatment for their mental health. Perhaps if they received some mental health treatment to help them think clearly, they could greatly decrease their chances of committing a mass shooting. For instance, with proper treatment, instead of feeling suicidal because of bullying, failing with the opposite sex, or not fitting in, a mental health professional could help one address the problem rationally and perhaps help the individual in question find ways to deal with the bullying, improve their social skills, or do whatever is relevant to the situation that can result in improvement. Instead, many mass shooters are quiet loners who rarely socialize, likely sit in their rooms all day idolizing other mass shooters, and rarely seek mental health treatment. A potential solution to this issue could be universal healthcare, especially for mental health treatment, as such treatment can be very expensive. The average cost of psychotherapy in the United States when seeing a psychiatrist ranges from $150 to $500 per session, which can be unaffordable for many people. In addition, the same can be said for health insurance that covers mental health treatment as well. Perhaps if more people were able to afford the treatment they need, they would be encouraged to seek treatment.

Lastly, as for how racism plays a part in the mass shootings, note that the majority of mass shooters are White people. I'm not saying that such White people are mainly motivated by racism, but something different. Instead of the police constantly putting in a ton of effort patrolling the Black neighborhoods and, for example, pulling over more Black people at higher rates than warranted, searching for drugs and guns, they should also be keeping an eye out on the White people that consistently buy guns in bulk, especially guns that can inflict mass causalities such as assault rifles. This should be especially true considering that people are not required to undergo mental health evaluations before purchasing firearms. Because of that, I believe that every gun owner, mainly those who own assault rifles, should be on a "watchlist" of sorts that keeps track of their mental health. Those who are found to have mental health issues obviously should not be legally allowed to own a firearm. That way, the proper authorities can keep track of everyone instead of focusing mainly on Black neighborhoods while the White loners are casually buying highly dangerous weapons and plotting and scheming the entire time. Simply because you're White with no criminal record doesn't mean you should automatically be trusted with an assault rifle.

[annabananna]

Lots of good points. Thanks for your answer and also thanks for the link. A lot of people are claiming that its not recently been on the rise.

[megabamse]

When the states have been to put it blunt "fucked their people in the ass" for so long as they have then of course people tend to get messed up and crazy. The country is so corrupt that instead of doing things for the sake of the people it's rather done for the sake of money. Your gun laws are messed up, why do anything about it when you can make money in stead? Everything is a business for your guys (political and business i mean). Why rehabilitate prisoners so they won't go back to crime when you instead can make money out of having prisoner's. Why give free healthcare when you instead can earn money on the pasients. Why give medical stuff for normal human prices when you instead can sell it for top dollar, I'm referring to insulin as an example. Why make police work a university education to make all police work for the people instead of shooting everyone. Why proper education and laws on what you can or can't educate students when you can have uneducated people that can easily be controlled. Why make higher education affordable for everyone when you can make it into a lucrative business that almost only rich people can afford. And the list goes on and on about how tremendous amount of things in the stats that is so insanely crazy to almost all of the world. When you take all that in consideration then why is it strange that there are mass shooting? You guys (government and businesses) have basically created this, all in the name of making money. Fuck the people right? Things have to change.

[Stoner710]

Primarily social media there are other factors of course but social media is the main one.

it has been proven that social media causes anxiety depression and suicide ideations in teenagers

Social media also provides an environment of group think if you’re already thinking that socialism or neo nazism may be a good thing you go on the internet and find groups of people that agrees with you and you get radicalized. It also allows social contagion to spread like trans ideology which hits the vulnerable and mentally ill already.

the news media is also responsible for fanning the flames. 2 weeks ago the media ran with a story the Michael Knowles a political commentator working for the dailywire was accused of supporting genocide for saying that we need to eradicate transgender ideology from public life. The media around with oh he’s calling for a mass genocide of trans people he was not. He was saying transgender ideology is wrong like the idea of communism or nazism is wrong and it should ping be allowed in public life. Not kill them. But the mainstream media lied said he was calling for genocide and now you had a woman who pretends to be a man should a Christian organization.

Without social media without the main stream media, none of this would be happening, but the primary culprit is social media. The secondary is main stream media by CNN.

[ChooChooHaha]

God damn freedom of speech huh?

[ChooChooHaha]

Also, social media isn't unique in this. Group think will always be around.

[Stoner710]

@ChooChooHaha very true group think will always be around But social media aggravates it. Your prayers to social media you had groupthink and local towns in states. But groupthink has been nationalized by social media. I agree with people I Florida and Texas then in Washington state (home state). I have nothing in common with more than one person in Washington state I have more in common of people of Alaska, South Dakota, Montana Texas and Florida. Then I do with people from my home state of Washington, Oregon, California, New York, Illinois, Minnesota, Pennsylvania ETC why? Because of social media. Social media allows groupthink to fester and grow. Without being challenged in your own community and you come to a conclusion on your own from people you talk to in normal day to day life. With people you interact with in day to day life are on social media causes the division and the extremes that we see in modern day life

[ChooChooHaha]

Not necessarily true. You just think so. It happens all the time, throughout time. You just notice it now.

[ChooChooHaha]

Like I said, God damn freedom of speech, huh?

[ChooChooHaha]

It's not that disconnected, by the way. "Nationalized by social media." By definition, it's a human thing.

[BeMuse]

Because communists want to start a violent revolution... This is why they keep talking about civil war on the news. ANTIFA/BLM is responsible for carrying out the school shootings, riots, etc. Skip to 31 minutes for information on using agitators to attack children to provoke violence. You should really listen to it all though. G. Edward Griffin was a real expert in the field during the cold war. He knows his stuff.

https://www.youtube.com/embed/p32eI61-kqk

Communist in the Black community take G. Edward Griffin's words literally. For example Darius Sessoms is BLM and executed a White 5 year old riding his bicycle on the sidewalk in front of his house.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8615711/Five-year-old-boy-riding-bike-shot-dead-neighbor-25-two-sisters.html

The latest school shooting was a gay ANTIFA tranny shooting up kids, but there have been many other's that wore communist and nazi symbolism to show their allegance. Until people round up and arrest the communist terrorist organizations tied into the ANTIFA web they will continue their bloody war against civilian populations.

https://www.youtube.com/embed/7RXesUy8cj4

[BeMuse]

It goes all the way back to the Columbine High School massacre on April 20, 1999. In this picture you can see the hammer and sickle pin on Dylan Bennet Klebold's boot.

[BeMuse]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mLHG4IfYE1w

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UpuGRO72GbA

[BeMuse]

Dimitrios Pagourtzis killed 10 people at Santa Fe High School in 2018. He openly wore his nazi uniform.

[ChooChooHaha]

100%. Plus, glowies probably have their hands in this.

[ChooChooHaha]

No rounding people up and all that shit. Even commies. Are we them?

[BeMuse]

@ChooChooHaha During the BLM riots there were certain elements that tried to take individuals hostage for interrogation/torture. It was isolated to a small number of events, but lets just say they were getting their feet wet in the shallow end… With time they will attempt to get more bold. It takes time to escalate into what people remember of WWII in the Weimar Republic/Nazi Germany. In fact in the Weimar Republic all the street gangs that were utilized in political assassinations, riots, rounding up political adversaries, robbing and killing them, etc. started back in 1920. People tend to focus on when Hitler became chancellor in 1933 and forget about the violent revolution by socialists/democrats that played out in the streets for over a decade prior as they persecuted conservatives… Hopefully this time around things will play out differently. That said, states like California are already trying to buy their army of BLM via reparations which will be paid in their CBDC system. Obviously midnight riders need to continue to spread the world of truth to wake people up just as Paul Revere's Midnight Riders did a couple hundred years ago. Just like Paul Revere made memes to pass a message of truth to an uneducated populous via imagery, Anons continue this tradition today… But eventually charges need to be brought against the domestic terrorists that are tied to financing and executed orders withing the ANTIFA web. Justice must be served. In the mean time the central bankers who finance the entire operation need to be taken down as well. Thus why states like Florida and Texas are rejecting the CBDC at the state level via state law and starting their own new banking system via the Texas Bullion Depository with a state issued gold based legal currency. Gold will kill the Fed. When you take away the resources the the enemy, eventually they will be worn thin by attrition...

[BeMuse]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TwSA_YNqmZk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1y_AGCbSH4Q

[BeMuse]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CUssZuI_5hI

[BeMuse]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0081EVCgNKQ

[Soteris]

What do you mean recently? This has been going on at least two decades and probably longer than I have been alive. Sure, its on the rise, but that is just because no one has worked to prevent it so every year the situation gets just a little bit worse. I remember saying "There is now a mass shooting each day in USA" a few years ago and now its 1,5 a day.

If your definition of "recent" is not very far back in time then you are probably part of the problem. Specifically, that you have ignored the fact that mass shootings happens literally every day to the point where the news papers dont even cover it unless there is something else about it that makes it more "unique" and "newsworthy".

Mass shootings in USA is the normal and Americans have grown to accept it.

[annabananna]

The last twenty decades is pretty recent but they have more than doubled in the last eight years.
What do you mean I’m part of the problem?

[ChooChooHaha]

Of course it has.

[Soteris]

Twenty decades is 200 years. Anyways, I said twenty years because I at least have data to back that up. Sadly I can't go further back in time, not because it did not happen but because looking up the relevant information becomes too much of a full-time job.

Ever heard of the term of being slowly boiled in a pot of water? Its usually mentioned in relationship with frogs. Anyway, the idea is pretty simple. If you dropped a frog into a boiling hot pot it would instantly try to jump out but if you dropped it into a pot of cold water and slowly heated it to boiling point then it would just stay there until it boiled to death.

That is you right now. You were not dropped into the pot of boiling water, the problem with mass shootings is a problem that has grown bit by bit over a very long time to the point where you and people like you accepted it as normal and has not worked to resolve it. This could have been stopped at any time during those last 20 years or more, but it has not nor has anyone really stepped up to try resolve it. It is just there.. in the background.. slowly getting worse and worse..

[annabananna]

I meant to say two decades and why are you assuming me and people like me assumed it as normal? You are doing a lot of finger pointing at the wrong people here…

[Soteris]

You said it yourself, you think this is a recent development. While its true that I can't directly predict you but its fairly common among Americans to "forget" that they are currently living in a country with the highest rate of mass shootings outside of outright civil war in human history. You live in unprecedented times that should make anyone outraged, yet you find it almost normal. Most Americans only ever speak out whenever one of these mass shootings randomly gets brought up in news whenever the news channels runs out of things to talk about and need a quick and reliable story.

The politicians are not going to solve this, that has been made perfectly clear nor is the various systems of government. That means the ball is now in the hands of average people, they are the ones who will have to begin the process of change. People like you. Am I correct in assuming that outside of talking about it online, you have not done anything to resolve this problem?

[annabananna]

I’ve been in a mass shooting so it’s not something I can ever forget! I still can’t go into a movie theatre. though it’s been a thing to happen here and there like all crime everywhere you can’t deny that it’s been MUCH more frequent recently.

[Soteris]

What do you mean? There has been a gradual increase year by year, predictably so.

[annabananna]

It’s doubled in the last five years…. I don’t find that to be gradual.

[Soteris]

2017 and 2018 was indeed lower than the trend but the jump from 2016 and 2018 was only 34 more and then another jump after that. If you average them out a bit you can ignore some of the ups and down and see it go from just about 400's to 600's and then more recently to 650ish over 5 years. Its not that crazy.

[annabananna]

We are going to have to agree to disagree on that.

[NYCQuestions1976]

@Soteris It's a mental health problem and crisis. The Second Amendment has been around since 1776. The closing of all the mental institutions (instead of reforming them) that used to house the mentally unhinged started in the 1970s and concluded in the 1990s. So now the mentally unhinged are mingled with the rest of the general population instead of being treated. It's no coincidence that Columbine pretty much started this shit in 1999, and it's snowballed from there. The rise of social media, almost glorifying these events for copycat enthusiasts when they happen, doesn't help either. So no, we're not "used to it here". Well maybe in liberal gun control California, which leads the nation in these events:

www.statista.com/.../

[Soteris]

@NYCQuestions1976 No its not. Also, American gun culture and laws has not always been as crazy as it is today. Even during the "wild west" there were more or less an agreement on gun control within towns and cities, of course that does not really translate into movies and tv shows that romanticizes the era where every cowboy walked around with a six shooter at his hip and a lever action rifle on his back.

The major issues with guns were mostly a later thing once the major businesses behind gun manufacturing got established and started to become more politically active. Gun manufacturing is actually a fairly limited market once you fill the military demand. People only buys so many guns so they began to try change public opinion and the law to persuade people to buy more and more guns.

This resulted in a breakdown of gun control and a perversion of the American gun culture to the point where it has become harmful and contributing to the mass shootings.

As for mental health institutions? Its only really recently we have actually gotten effective institutions for that. Mental health institutions back in 1970's and 1990's or whatever were totally ineffective and just contributed to the problem which was one of the primary reasons why they closed down.

In reality, only around 5% of mass shootings correlate to severe mental health issues and 25% is associated with "non-psychotic psychiatric or neurological illnesses" such as depression and 23% is associated with substance abuse. An important fact however is that the percentage related to mental health is actually falling as the number of cases increase. In other words, it is not a rise in mental illness that is driving the increase in mass shootings.

Again, not helpful but even if you removed literally every case with mental illness associated with it you would still have a massive issue unique in the world in its severity. So no. Its not mental illness. Trust me, I have checked.

[NYCQuestions1976]

@Soteris I forgot that it's the firearm that's always mentally unhinged, and the person pulling the trigger is always 100% normal.

Also the "trust me I checked" is laughable at best. You didn't even understand basic meteorology, so I don't expect you to have an opinion based in reality about this.

[Soteris]

@NYCQuestions1976
www.columbiapsychiatry.org/.../...der-database.pdf

Read it yourself then. I mean, it would be easier just to take me on my word but whatever.

[NYCQuestions1976]

@Soteris This is when the problem started:

undercover.hosting.nyu.edu/.../156

Instead of reforming the inhumane conditions in these mental institutions, the government and the companies running them just started closing them down in the mid 1970s until they were basically gone by the mid 1990s. Then Columbine happened in 1999. Then the rise of social media that basically glorifies these shootings happened, inspiring copycat shooters. The disappearance/non-reform of proper treatment for the mentally unhinged is what started all of this, and it's being perpetuated further by social media.

[Soteris]

@NYCQuestions1976 That literally does not show in the data I provided.

[NYCQuestions1976]

@Soteris The data you provided is biased and wrong. It's not my fault that you rely on information and studies that don't properly consider the mental health crisis that's been festering in this country for nearly a quarter century. Do you really believe that the Columbia University psychology/psychiatry department are going to point their fingers at themselves and their medical contemporaries dropping the ball? Yeah right. More money well spent, deliberately ignoring the most significant issues to come to a planned biased conclusion.

[Soteris]

@NYCQuestions1976 Claiming my data is biased and wrong is not very convincing when they clearly outline their methodology where as you provide a flawed logic that does not logically lead to the conclusion that you draw. I literally could not care less where the columbian university want to point their fingers at, data is data and data does not lie. That is why Science is pretty awesome, it does not care about your feelings.

You can take your anti intellectualism and fuck right out of here quite frankly.

[NYCQuestions1976]

@Soteris Anti-intellectualism? Oh please. I can run circles around you intellectually, on any topic under the sun (already have on meteorology). All you socialists have the same stale bowl of oatmeal in between your ears, deliberately pushing disingenuous agenda disguised as intelligence.

Their "data" is a STUDY, not FACT, and completely ignores the mental health crisis that started with the closings of just about all of the metal institutions in this country, and continues to be amplified by social media. The pandemic shutdown didn't help matters either.

I'd tell you to get lost, but that's redundant.

[Soteris]

@NYCQuestions1976

... meteorology is the study of the atmosphere and its phenomena. I have no idea where you got that from or how it relates to this conversation quite frankly. But that is besides the point really, you have already displayed that you are not going to tackle this conversation from an intellectual angle when you dismissed my actual scientific study because you think there is a conflict of interest between the experts and their actual field of study rather than you pointing to anything actually wrong with the study.

Such a claim is.. quite frankly absurd. I have tried to not be too harsh on you so far but that statement alone is pure distilled stupid and I can't even imagine someone who actually cares about the truth saying that with a straight face. This is not about bragging about running around the other intellectually or not but you outright being hostile towards even the notion of an intellectual discussion. There isent really anywhere to go from here. If you refuse to accept science then talking to you is worthless.

You dont even know what a study is. A scientific study is a study on the facts, which means that not only does it contain said facts but also contains the method and sources so that you can control check their work if you dont believe them. This ability to control check them for accuracy is what makes it a scientific study. If you think they are wrong, by all means publish a counter study and show them wrong using their own data to utterly discredit them and become famous within the scientific circles.

But you won't. Partially because they are not actually wrong but also because you dont know how to publish a scientific article in the first place.

[NYCQuestions1976]

@Soteris If you have a study that includes some factors (access to firearms in society) and blatantly omits other factors (the closing of mental institutions, the rise of mentally unhinged people running around with the general population, the rise of "look at me" on social media, the pandemic), then it's a biased study (either unintentionally or deliberately) that can only produce corrupted results. Did you even bother to consider who paid for the study and/or why the study was done in the first place? Of course not, because you like the results, and can pass it off as agenda masquerading as fact to others as dumb and gullible as yourself. Also, you claim to have "patience", but you were the first to start in with the cursing. That's not very intellectual of you, and not very surprising. It happens a lot whenever you call out socialists on their bullshit.

[Soteris]

@NYCQuestions1976 Again you show that you have no idea what you are talking about. First of all the study was about:
"Psychotic symptoms in mass shootings v. mass
murders not involving firearms: findings from
the Columbia mass murder database"

and I could not care less who paid for it or if they considered the closing of mental institutions (Which is deceptive as well) or whatever. It does not change their results of conclusions. This is math. It is not open to subjective opinion and the results are indisputable.

Again, the reason you are not an intellectual is because you refuse to engage on the facts in the study, and they are facts no matter how much you bitch and whine regarding them, and instead you try to discredit the study by accusing them of bias this and funding that, as if it would change the results of 1+1=2. You are either incompetent or dishonest in your arguments, pick for yourself if you want.

As for foul language? I will freely use insults whenever I want but I will not replace my arguments with insults. There is a difference and that difference is why I can maintain my logical arguments while still calling you a dipshit.

[NYCQuestions1976]

@Soteris You've supplied no logical argument. The only things you've done is type long responses that state nothing, and supplied a flawed study for the legitimate reasons I've already explained. That's not factual reality or mathematics. You also don't care who paid for the study because it would probably further undermine your already flawed argument, and because you're a socialist who has an unfounded bias against the United States. Go gaslight someone else with your inferiority disguised as faux intelligence.

[Soteris]

@NYCQuestions1976 You are factually incorrect. I have provided my logical arguments from the very start responding to you such as disproving your claims that gun control has been the same (AKA non-existent) since 1776 with the 2nd amendment which is factually not true as the 2nd amendment has been interpreted differently over time and there has been a wide variety of gun control legislation enacted and repealed. Right now is one of the most lawless periods in American history and it corresponds with an increase in gun violence and mass shootings.

I also disproved your claim regarding mental institutions since first of all the older ones did not work and secondly its statistically not relevant to mass shootings as proved by the study I shared. You can bitch and whine about my study all you want, god knows you have, but unless you provide a better reason than "where do you think the funding came from?" or "what if its biased?" then quite frankly I am not interested in your feelings on this.

Furthermore, my argument that mental illness is not the source of this is further supported by the fact that it corresponds with scientific consensus on the subject. I picked that study at random more or less because it had some useful and insightful data for this particular conversation but the rest of the studies on this topic also agrees on this. The only reason you would even form the opinion that mental illness is the cause of mass shootings is if instead of forming your opinion by reading up on the subject in scientific studies you instead listened to a politician or propaganda outlet because they are the only source for this nonsense.

So yeah. I think I am rightfully superior to someone who takes their reality check from politicians and their ilk.

[NYCQuestions1976]

@Soteris Narcissistic Personality Disorder much? 😂

All I'm doing is pointing and laughing at you at this point. Give it up. You're an inferior fool. It's the weekend. Go actually do something with your life that doesn't involve your parents' basement or a mirror.

[Soteris]

@NYCQuestions1976 Still waiting for you to try disproving my study.

[NYCQuestions1976]

@Soteris I already have done that, narcissistic nimrod. Something that's a "study" doesn't make it a "fact", especially if the study is flawed to begin with. However I'll gladly publicly embarrass you further for my personal amusement. In the 1980s and 1990s, there were a number of studies that claimed coffee was bad for you. Unfortunately, they didn't factor in and account for all of the milk and cream and sugar and sweeteners and flavors just about all people use in their coffee. Now more recent studies on BLACK coffee about 15 years ago figured out that coffee has many antioxidants and is actually GOOD for you. I actually drink my black coffee with a green tea bag for even more antioxidants. Anyway, it's amazing what you can figure out when a study isn't flawed. You should try it sometime.

So take your flawed study, your faux intellect, your belligerent biases, and your narrow-minded narcissistic attitude and shove it directly up your ass, and then let me know how the suicide culture is going in Scandinavia. Glass houses. 👍

Now as I mentioned before, it's the weekend. I refuse to waste my valuable off days dumbing down my intelligence for someone who's tongue has to be tired from being on a window every day.

[Soteris]

@NYCQuestions1976 True, being a study does not make it "true" or whatever, but the beauty with scientific studies, like this one, is that they are contain their own proof that they are correct. You keep saying it is flawed or whatever, yet you have to point out a single actual flaw so far and the study itself contains its own evidence that it is NOT flawed.. because its a scientific study so of fucking course it contains evidence of its own accuracy because that is what they do.

I also dont give a crap about what you have to say about other studies. We are talking about THIS study. PROVE IT FUCKING WRONG ALREADY OR SHUT UP. Because so far you got absolutely nothing and the study contains evidence to support itself. 1 - 0 to me.

[NYCQuestions1976]

@Soteris When you've got a study doesn't consider factors properly (all the factors I mentioned already ad nauseum), then the study will automatically be flawed. Case closed. See you on Monday.

[Soteris]

@NYCQuestions1976 No. You did not even read the studies did you? There was literally no point in trying to account for that factor.

[TenderFantasy]

Shootings (especially in the U. S. I believe) have always been "popular". It's been on the rise since the late 90's into the 21st century because of various reason: 1) Some children don't know how to quell their anger appropriately 2) Some adults are FED UP with society and the way things are. FAKE niceness, etc. 3) Unchecked Anger/Rage/Mental Pyschosis, PSTD, trauma, but mostly I believe it to be RAGE. Unchecked RAGE at the world and the helplessness one feels about it. This is their OUTLET! 4) Some guy/gal getting back at their old employer for firing him/her unfairly while he has kids to feed/a family to support. Hell, I'd get mad too but not THAT mad to the point... well you get it, I hope.

[ChooChooHaha]

NO. Since before that, believe it or not. As we know it now, school shootings have kicked up since st least the 40's here.

[TenderFantasy]

@ChooChooHaha And your proof is where?

[Anonymous]

Because everytime someone wants to address the root cause which is the traumatic experience created by toxic school environments that can lead a social outcast past a breaking point and trigger these events, someone else will start screaming "gun control" and turn the whole thing into yet another iteration of the endless debate on if or not self defense is a human right.

The only way the number goes down is for regulators to accept that people kill people and guns are a mere tool like so many others. The problem is staring you in the face it's the education and what it's allowing to happen.

Saying that "just as long as this kid doesn't have access to a gun we don't care if he's constantly bullied and tormented and abused and denied a decent school life" is far more atrocious than someone saying "I wanna own a gun to defend myself and my home"

[ChooChooHaha]

Not to mention the cover ups around them.

[Still-alive]

""just as long as this kid doesn't have access to a gun we don't care if he's constantly bullied and tormented and abused and denied a decent school life" "

nope this is a strawman. we want gun control regulations (not the same as a gun ban mind you) AND better healthcare for the kids AND a better environment in the schools.

[NYCQuestions1976]

It's because we've got mentally unhinged people running around who are free to mingle with the general population, and also somehow manage to not have criminal records and/or slip through the cracks of the legal system, so they're able to get legal access to firearms. We used to put mentally unhinged people in mental institutions to protect society, but mental institutions had inhumane conditions. So instead of doing the right thing and correcting the inhumane conditions, we just closed all of the mental institutions. That's why all this nonsense is going on. The last mental institutions closed in the mid 1990s, so it no surprise that Columbine happened in 1999, and things have snowballed ever since. The rise of social media also doesn't help, because this shit is plastered all over the internet, almost to the point of glorification. So you also get copycat incidents as well.

[blissinanarchy1]

We still do have mental health hospitals with extended stay, they’re not asylums though. Basically you stay their indefinitely and they don’t try to rehabilitate you. People in there are extremely violent. My mom works in one. But they’re hard af to get into as a patient.

[NYCQuestions1976]

@blissinanarchy1 That's two big problems. Difficult to get into, and no rehabilitation.

[ChooChooHaha]

No. Mental asylums aren't that nice. Have you seen the old films? It's fucking awful. And instead of it being constructive, they're as bad as prisons. So no more of that shit. I don't care if they're your quintessential clinical psychopaths, no one deserves to go in there (this coming from a mentally ill person).

And a system of CYA in schools. Not to mention glowies, but that's a whole other story.

[NYCQuestions1976]

@ChooChooHaha That's why mental institutions needed to be reformed, not closed. Now we've got mentally unhinged people mingling with the general population. Mental institutions need to be brought back with proper health care guidelines.

[ChooChooHaha]

Still, absolutely not.

[ChooChooHaha]

Would you ever consider the glowies being the problem? And schools?

[NYCQuestions1976]

@ChooChooHaha I appreciate you mentioning and admitting that you're "mentally ill". I put it in quotes because I didn't w. That's not something

[NYCQuestions1976]

@ChooChooHaha I hit "SUBMIT" by accident as I was still typing. 😂 Please disregard that incomplete response. I'm responding again now. 👍

[NYCQuestions1976]

@ChooChooHaha I appreciate you mentioning and admitting that you're "mentally ill". I put it in quotes because I didn't want to use any description that you didn't use yourself in my response. Anyway, that's not something that automatically leads to the discussion and issues at hand. You have to admit that there's a difference between being "mentally ill" and "mentally unhinged". Someone who's mentally ill doesn't belong in a mental institution. Someone who's mentally unhinged does belong in a mental institution. I still believe that closing mental institutions instead of properly reforming them was the wrong decision. So we'll just have to agree to disagree.

I can't confirm or deny "glowies", so I can't really supply any sort of an opinion. However, what do you mean about schools covering their asses? Can you elaborate?

[ChooChooHaha]

Still don't think people should be in such a damn awful place. These are humans.

Glowies being feds, Cops. They have a lot more to do with events than we think.

Schools covering themselves when incidents happen. Most recently, a boy raped a girl in a girl's bathroom in their school. Instead of expelling the rapist, the school let him stay there, no questions asked, and went after the girl and her father. Same with Steubenville, OH. Their school had the jocks' backs.

[NYCQuestions1976]

@ChooChooHaha Oh okay. Unfortunately the schools/colleges never seem to get it right. They'll cover for athlete when he's seemingly or obviously guilty, but then in other instances, they'll back the "victim", and then later the "victim" will turn out to be lying, like what happened at Duke a few years ago.

As for federal agencies being involved in shit, you never know for sure one way or the other, and that's probably how they like it to be, so you're questioning your own sanity.

[nitsuj86]

Because the media publicizes it.

Sad losers have found a way to have their names blasted all over the world. So that they matter in some small way before they end their pathetic lives basically. And there is no shortage of them these days.

A lot of young men feel the world against them, and see it as a source of revenge as well.

I bet if they never said the person's name, or showed their face to the media the cases would drop drastically. The reason people commit these types of crimes is for attention and revenge.

[ShadezMcgee]

I would argue mental health, but at the same time it has been reported so much thay it cam be seen as a trend for the next psycho wanting to do something that will get them fame and attention.

A lot of these people that do these are not only mentally ill, but they are often times social outcasts that are not amounting to much in life. They want acknowledgment, recognition and to. be noticed. The media does no favors by covering these shootings and directing attention to the shooters that carry them out if they live or die and why they plan to kill as many as they can in gun free zones. They are now infamous and got what they wanted. To be noticed. It is practically romanticized at this point.

That is why it keeps happening.

[Exterminatore]

I agree with you about the media issue and these people wanting attention. I also think it’s a monkey see monkey do scenario for the unintelligent.

They’re so unoriginal, lazy and unintelligent they can’t figure out a different way to murder. So they just do what they see magnified on the TV.

[ShadezMcgee]

@Exterminatore I would agree that it is like monkey see monkey do with these individuals. I would go so far as to say some see it as a game thinking they can beat the last amount killed. The gun is unfortunately used with these because it is effective and quick.

But yeah, my whole point you commented on comes down to it being romanticized in a perverse way.

[ChooChooHaha]

There are a lot of glowies around it though...

[ShadezMcgee]

@ChooChooHaha glories? What?

[ShadezMcgee]

@ChooChooHaha Glowies*

[Sevenpointfive]

on the rise? since when? since colombine? that was almost a generation ago. and before that they still happened. the biggest school shooting in my hometown at UT tower.

tbh these school shootings done by kids are heartbreaking but don't amount to much. the kids end up regretting shooting victims. the deaths are not assassinations. it makes me wonder if there is something more at play here.

are these terminally ill kids? no one has said anything about that. i'd bet my money that that's a motive. but that's only half the motive. i believe someone pays them to do it in exchange for compensation for their family.

[ChooChooHaha]

Glowies have their hands in it probably.

[Sevenpointfive]

@ChooChooHaha it's deep state politics and it's not going to stop until people start wising up

[ChooChooHaha]

100%

[Anonymous]

nobody's really saying it, so I will. I think it's because more people are feeling like there's no hope when they have problems. People are being conditioned to demonize others who think differently than them, and it's harder for people to feel comfortable getting the help that they need for fear of being crapped on for whatever is "different" about them.

A lot of people don't even feel like they can talk to their own family about stuff that's bothering them, and it's because "forces", whether political or spiritual, are at work, strongly trying to divide us.

[Anonymous]

First of all I don’t think this is based on because people are rejecting god. I know a lot of good people who don’t believe in god but they’re not shooting up their work or schools, neither am I as I don’t believe in god either. I think it’s a lot of complex things, including the gov’t. Some how I think they have a part to do w this. Plus over medicating people in society today, see it a lot working in the medical field. I feel like it’s all part of someone’s agenda, just the same as COVID. That was just an experiment to see what things worked, what things didn’t work, how can they make it work better next time. Event 201.

[Exterminatore]

Because the media is stirring them up the way they report them.


Since WW2 there have been plenty of military surplus rifles and pistols available to the public, not to mention many firearms that were never military issue. M1 Garands, M1 Carbines, 1911 pistols…all perfectly capable for use in a mass killing. We’ve had the dreaded AR style rifle available to the public in many states for over 50 years. Yet not until fairly recently has mass shootings become a frequent story in the media because there were very few of them.


From the end of WW2 until around 2000 mass shooting almost never happened. Now they seem to occur every few months. Why? Part of it is unintelligent and criminally minded people copying what they see on tv. The other reason is the moral decay of society created by godlessness.

[Unknown29]

Because they’re being brainwashed with: There’s no God. You can be a bobcat if you want. Change your gender whenever you take a notion to. It’s driving them insane. Almost all mass shooters have mental health problems. Also, dems are defunding the police and letting violent criminals run free. What do you expect?

[ChooChooHaha]

God's got nothing to do with it.

[Snakeyes7]

It's not the guns. The US has had the 2nd amendment since its founding so their existence is not the cause in this decades long onslaught.

We need to see what is driving these people into doing it, that's the only way we can put a stop to it. But we are too busy trying to take away the guns even though they know the government will abuse the people even more than they are already if the people dont gave any means of fighting back but they don't care.

[goaded]

Was the second amendment there when the government chose to restrict access to submachine guns in the 1920s because they were being used by gangs? Was it there when Reagan restricted access to firearms when the Black Panthers started carrying them?

At which point did the second amendment become paramount, above the right to "Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness"?

[Snakeyes7]

@goaded The government doesn't care about human rights, those are great examples of them saying the quiet part out loud.

[goaded]

The government is for and of the people, and for well over 100 years the people were just fine with reasonable restrictions on firearms, mostly local. It's only recently that the right wing has gone off the deep end.

[ChooChooHaha]

@goaded It should be evident by now, doesn't matter what it is. Left, right (whatever that means anymore), you get lunatics in the same room together, things don't go so well.

[Snakeyes7]

@goaded Probably because they foolishly thought they'd never go as far and what do you know, the gAyTF is now trying to make certain handgun accessories illegal and they'll kill as many family pets as they can until the get it.

[mstbooblover]

Set aside what basically really motivates people to proceed with mass shootings, and keeping in mind that such people have mental issues, I'm convinced that the over whole the world increasing stress, uncertainties and violence in any form, a logic result is some people getting more easyly crazy and thus triggered into proceeding with random shootings. A bit like that proverbial drop resulting into a glass of water to overflow...

[purplepoppy]

More shootings = more people buying guns for defence= More idiots with guns = more shootings=more people buying guns for defence= More idiots with guns = more shootings

[FreyaRed]

I don't know, I'm not American. However it think it's caused by polarization of society and following radicalization together with destruction of social cohesion.

[Dargil]

Because evil is on the loose and our culture has abandoned moral and social restraints. The same is true with simpler things like grab and run shoplifting and atrocious urban traffic with its accidents and road rage. Even more and more and more gun control will accomplish nothing. We need people control.

[bolverk]

There is a theory that mass shootings being reported by Social Media & Main Stream Media is amplifying mass shooter incidents. See article below.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5296697/

[MementoMori777]

People reject God and then when evil starts taking over they ask why, I know people here see me as a Jesus freak, but I tried warning people smh, it's just gonna get worse.

[Exterminatore]

You’re exactly right as to the cause and exactly right It will get worse.

[MementoMori777]

I appreciate your words brother, god bless you. 💯🙏

[Exterminatore]

God bless you as well.

Love the name by the way. I’m learning to speak Latin. That’s a good Latin saying to remember that we will all leave this world and after that we will all be judged individually by God.

Soli Deo Gloria.

[MementoMori777]

Yea death is a new beginning, people consider my name contradicting against my believes because it's got to do with death but don't realize the meaning behind it that we should all accept death as a part of life, Latin is a fallen language and I wish they taught it in school, it would've stayed in that class lol

[Exterminatore]

It just simply means “remember death” as you know.

I think it’s a stark reminder to live, because this life will end. When we are young, death is far from our minds. I further extend the meaning to Christianity, that it is a reminder that we humans are appointed to die once, and after this comes judgment. It’s a reminder to cling to Christ. To remember we will be judged by him individually and to be all the more careful to live a life of obedience to him.

No one will be saved by works, but some will certainly be condemned by them.

I see no contradiction there. Anyone who doesn’t take heed to what he does or doesn’t do in this life, especially knowing we will be judged after we leave it is foolish.

I wish they taught it in school also. It’s fun but difficult language. A major reason I’m studying it is for the study of theology. Almost all the early church fathers and theologians spoke it and wrote it it. The Bible was originally written in Hebrew and Greek. I plan to study Greek next and Latin and Greek are closely related. I just went with Latin first because it has more use outside of Theology, where as Ancient Greek has almost no use outside theology.

[MementoMori777]

Yea not only that I think Latin was use worldwide at some point and it sucks that people let it die out because the language itself sounds cool, imagine the world if Latin was still used, books, signs, and anywhere that has translations would have Latin, I'm sure now there's people that think Latin are Hispanics 🤣

[Exterminatore]

Latin was the primary language spoken in most of central and western Europe and commonly spoken in any place that boarders the Mediterranean Sea until the fall of the western part of the Roman Empire. Since around the year 700 no ones primary language has been Latin. However is was the Lingua Franca - the common tongue spoken throughout Europe in every county by the nobility and clergy until around 1700 when it’s use began to decline.

Surprisingly it’s making a comeback. Which I’m happy about. The language sounds beautiful in its pronunciation. It is still the language of theology, both Catholic and Protestant but to a much lesser degree Protestant now, Science and Law.

There are many books written entirely in Latin at current time. I have several. All are fiction. Not to mention many classics written in Latin. Currently I’m reading a beginners Latin book called Lingua Latina (Familia Romana). It’s about the daily lives of a typical Roman family.

I’m sure you’re right people are very ignorant. Latin America is named as such because it’s culture is more similar to traditional Latin culture.

I wish it never died out. Also learning Latin makes learning any Romance language 1000x easier. I can understand a lot of what Italian Speakers and a lot of Spanish speakers in those languages, I just can’t reply in those languages. I can only reply in Latin.

[MementoMori777]

Yea I hope it makes a full comeback even if it doesn't it's still cool knowing a language nobody else understands tho lol

[Exterminatore]

You’re right, in a way it’s cool but in a way it’s not. It is cool to have knowledge of a language no one else really speaks, but at the same time it kinda sucks because you can never speak it to anyone out side of special on line communities. Since language is for communication, it sucks because you seldom get to communicate with people in that Language.

What is cool is once you really start to grasp it you will realize there are a lot of crappy translations out there and you will have a better understanding of anything originally written in that language.

It’s very useful in the study of European history because most documents from royal courts and legal documents were written in Latin. It is also still the official language of the Vatican.

[MementoMori777]

Yea I feel like the language is too forgotten to make a comeback

[Still-alive]

increasing mental illness + easy access to guns = disasters

[annabananna]

Do you have an opinion on why there’s an increase in mental illness?

[Still-alive]

people are suffering out there. companies increasing prices while keeping wages low, people being let go from their jobs thanks to the FED increasing the interest rates, lack of suitable and affordable healthcare where you are left vulnerable if god forbid you suffer some bad illness or injury. a lot of this piles up in can affect peoples mental health.

It is a fact also that more guns = more deaths... like its a fact now its not debatable. and the politicians are not doing anything to address it. being halted by a greedy and at this point diabolical gun lobby all for that profit they love more than all else...

yeah these are gonna just keep happening. i have become a bit numb to it personally.

[crmoore]

Without an easy access to guns, would they decide to not enact these disasters? Or would they find other ways?

Like, in 2016 in France, where the guy killed 81 people in Nice (that's the name of the place), did his inaccess to guns prevent him from enacting mass killing?

[crmoore]

I forgot to mention he killed 81 people with just his truck.

[crmoore]

Excuse me, my mistake, it easier 86 people dead and 434 injured.

[Still-alive]

@crmoore "Without an easy access to guns, would they decide to not enact these disasters? "

they would not be able to easily do it.

worldpopulationreview.com/.../gun-deaths-by-country

"Like, in 2016 in France,"

as tragic as that is France is still have nowhere near the amount of gun deaths in their country as in the United states. not even close. We have over FIVE times as many as they do.

worldpopulationreview.com/.../gun-deaths-by-country

nice try

[annabananna]

It happens in other countries but it happens less.

[NYCQuestions1976]

It's a severe mental illness issue, coupled with social media glorification. The Second Amendment has been around since 1776, but we stopped housing the mentally unhinged in the mid 1990s when the last of the mental institutions closed instead of being reformed. That's when all of this nonsense started, with Columbine in 1999. If it was simply a firearm issue, then there'd be no mass shootings in California (strict gun control laws), and there's been plenty of them there over the years.

[annabananna]

I’ve never looked into what other countries do for treatment for the mentally Ill compared to us but I do agree that we need to bring institutions back but make them humane.

[Still-alive]

@NYCQuestions1976 how do you account for the fact that most other countries have significantly less gun deaths than we do?

And no you can't just say 'we got a high mental illness/depression rate compared to others' and think thats the issue because you can see here:

worldpopulationreview.com/.../depression-rates-by-country

Australia has a high depression rate and yet their gun deaths are also significantly less then us

worldpopulationreview.com/.../gun-deaths-by-country

[annabananna]

It’s def a multi facet issue and guns and mental illness are both part of it. Mental illness is why it’s happening and guns are what they are using to make it happen. We have so many guns that even if we made it illegal I think they’d do it anyway though. They are determined. There’s no way we could confiscate all the guns we already have.

[Still-alive]

Just to be clear im not for banning guns, i do support tne 2nd amendment, but i do think we need way wayyyy more regulations and be more careful about who we allow to have the guns or not. We do this kind of thing with cars, with the medical profession, teaching, even to vote... its about time we did this for guns too.

So i don't wanna ban guns, i do want more regulations.

I still posit we emulate how Japan does it. here's what you gotta do to get a gun there:

allsaints-pas.org/.../...to-Buy-a-Gun-In-Japan.pdf

[annabananna]

Hopefully we will find a solution and I never looked at Japans regulations. I agree with it. You have to be very careful with a gun and hopefully they will start implementing sowmthing soon that will create a safer environment

[Amur8711]

@Still-alive what regulations do you need to be in place?

[Still-alive]

Right? i mean just think of the weight of responsibility it carries when after going through all those steps to get a gun society says 'yes we trust you to have a gun'.

i would take that responsibility very seriously

[Still-alive]

@Amur8711 see the link for how japan does it

[NYCQuestions1976]

Australia has just over 26 million people. The United States has over 336 million people. You can't point at firearms in the United States and say they're the bigger contributing factor than mentally unhinged people running around free, when the Second Amendment has been constant since 1776, but mental health institutions ceased to exist after the mid 1990s. If firearms had just become legal in the last 25 years, and the mentally unhinged were always running around free, then you'd probably be correct.

[Still-alive]

@NYCQuestions1976 " mentally unhinged people running around free"

Ok bring back the mental institutions.

You know what they didn't have since 1776? assault rifles that can murder an enormous amount of people within seconds...

[Still-alive]

@NYCQuestions1976 by the way are you ALSO for a better health care system so those who are mentally unhealthy can easily get the care they need before more mass shootings happen?

[crmoore]

Additionally, if gun access correlates to gun deaths, why have mass shootings gone up with gun access has not gone up? Perhaps guns deaths does not rely on gun access, but instead, depends on individuals with mental illnesses?

[Still-alive]

@crmoore its very simple buddy. Gun deaths do not happen in most other countries LIKE france because they dont have easy access to guns. got it?

Doesn't mean it NEVER happens. i just doesn't happen nearly as much.

[NYCQuestions1976]

@Still-alive We had a better health care system for the mentally unhinged. Mental institutions. However instead of correcting the inhumane conditions that were going on in those places, the government and the companies running them just closed them instead. Now they walk among us.

[Still-alive]

@NYCQuestions1976 You can blame Reagan for that www.salon.com/.../

[NYCQuestions1976]

@Still-alive It wasn't Reagan that closed them. At least he didn't "actively" close them. They all started closing in the mid 1970s after Geraldo Rivera exposed the inhumane conditions going on at the Willowbrook State school in Staten Island in 1972:

undercover.hosting.nyu.edu/.../156

They all continued to close across the country until the last of them were gone in the mid 1990s. That's spanned over 6 administrations (Nixon, Ford, Carter, Reagan, Bush, Clinton). Any one of those 6 presidents (and all their corresponding congresses) could've done something to rehabilitate them, and none of them did anything.

[Amur8711]

I like how you say you support the 2nd Amendment then say "but". Right there you admit you don't support it, and yes you do want to ban all guns then. In Japan it is impossible for an ordinary citizen to even own one. Thats why airsoft is so popular there.

Tell me do you even know what the 2nd Amendment says?

[Still-alive]

@Amur8711 "yes you do want to ban all guns then."

nope im not saying that.

"Tell me do you even know what the 2nd Amendment says? "

yes and im not getting into a bad faith argument with you. go do that somewhere else

[goaded]

@crmoore "if gun access correlates to gun deaths, why have mass shootings gone up with gun access has not gone up"
From 1994-2004, there was a federal ban on the sale of assault weapons and (possibly more importantly) large capacity magazines. Back in the 1920's, they imposed requirements on owning submachine guns. It's only the last few decades that there's been the idea that government can't do anything about civilian ownership of firearms, and Republican states (and SCOTUS) have been taking down the laws made obvious sense that were accepted for decades. That's increased gun access (permitless CCW, for example).

And guess which states have the laxest gun control laws and which have the highest murder rates...

[NYCQuestions1976]

@goaded Why are you always so deliberately disingenuous on this site? Columbine, which started all of this "shootings all the time" shit, happened in 1999 during the assault weapons ban. New York City, Chicago, and Los Angeles, three cities run by liberals in three states run by liberals, have shootings every day and firearm murders just about every day. Those cities and states have strict gun control laws. If we're just talking about "mass shootings", liberal gun control California is leading the way:

www.statista.com/.../

The two biggest contributing factors in all of this is the closing of all the mental institutions in this country that started in the 1970s and continued into the 1990s. Now all of the mentally unhinged people are free to mingle with the general public.

[goaded]

@NYCQuestions1976 The first school shooting more or less for the hell of it was in 1979 en.wikipedia.org/.../Cleveland_Elementary_School_shooting_(San_Diego)

I'm supposed to be the one being "deliberately disingenuous", and you respond by citing absolute numbers of mass shootings, regardless of population. One of pretty much anything in Delaware is the same as 40 in California. One more in Florida would take it's rate past California's.

Was the government right to restrict submachine gun ownership in the 1920's?

If not, do you want people to have access to them again? If so, why can't they re-enact the 1994 "assault weapons ban" (which was repeatedly found constitutional last time)?

[NYCQuestions1976]

@goaded You can't blindly use "population density" or "X amount per Y" without citing the policies in place for the jurisdiction (city, county, state, etcetera) in question. So it's just population density that explains why California leads the nation by far in mass shootings, and nothing to do with the liberal politicians and policies running (and ruining) the state? What about all of the random "non-mass" shootings and "non-mass" murders in New York City, Chicago, and Los Angeles? That's all just population density also, and not policy driven at all? Also the now non-existent mental institutions isn't a major contributing factor and problem? Stop the nonsense.

As for the 1920s, go ask Al Capone and the rest of his gang how well that ban worked.

[goaded]

@NYCQuestions1976 Oh, come on, you can't ignore the fact that there are 40x as many people in California as in Delaware, or 20x as many as in Nebraska. It's hardly surprising that there are more of anything there, only a disingenous propagandist would pretend otherwise.

Of course policies matter: lax gun laws (including in neighbouring states) mean more gun deaths.

med.stanford.edu/.../...child-teen-gun-deaths.html
https://www.bmj.com/content/364/bmj.l542
eu.usatoday.com/.../
www.ajpmonline.org/.../fulltext

"What about all of the random "non-mass" shootings and "non-mass" murders in New York City, Chicago, and Los Angeles?"
How about you try looking at the facts?

New York City: #80
Chicago: #14
Los Angeles: #63

en.wikipedia.org/.../List_of_United_States_cities_by_crime_rate (Murder and
Nonnegligent manslaughters per 100,000).

[NYCQuestions1976]

@goaded Captain Wikipedia strikes again. 😂

[goaded]

@NYCQuestions1976 Are you too pathetic to actually engage with the facts, yet again?

You can't ignore the fact that there are 40x as many people in California as in Delaware, or 20x as many as in Nebraska. It's hardly surprising that there are more of anything there, only a disingenuous propagandist would pretend otherwise.

Policies matter: lax gun laws (including in neighbouring states) mean more gun deaths.

med.stanford.edu/.../...child-teen-gun-deaths.html
https://www.bmj.com/content/364/bmj.l542
eu.usatoday.com/.../
www.ajpmonline.org/.../fulltext

"What about all of the random "non-mass" shootings and "non-mass" murders in New York City, Chicago, and Los Angeles?"
How about you try looking at the facts?

New York City: #80
Chicago: #14
Los Angeles: #63

[NYCQuestions1976]

@goaded I'm tired of your socialist agenda manipulations and your Wikipedia nonsense. It's always "this per X people" with you. Knock it off. Jurisdictions matter. Borders matter. Population density only matters to a point. Cities like New York City, Chicago, and Los Angeles are in the shitter because of liberals and decades of liberal politics and policies. States like California are in the shitter because of liberals and decades of liberal policies. Go tell the victims of the record number of crimes in liberal jurisdictions (like those getting randomly shoved onto the subway tracks in front of oncoming trains by the mentally unhinged approximately once a week in New York City) in it's "pOpUlAtIoN dEnSiTy" and not the backwards liberal agenda that's really destroying these places.

[ChooChooHaha]

@crmoore Other ways, obviously. England doesn't get guns, however, pther attacks are through the roof.

[ChooChooHaha]

And by the way: WHY THE FUCK should government and companies run human programs, especially now? On what grounds would they have to be the arbiters? They can't be trusted, and I'd rather have a right to bear arms (guns included), then have those seriously fascistic mofos run anything. The abuse people go through still in places like this is EVIL shit, however common or rare it is. Besides, the gov. is probably up to their eyes in the shootings.

[goaded]

@NYCQuestions1976 You don't like facts. Got it.

I'm not talking about population density, I'm talking about population. 40x as many people = 40x as many potential criminals.

[Still-alive]

@NYCQuestions1976 you sure you're a centrist huh? or whatever you said you were the other day... cause it surre doesn't seem like it

[NYCQuestions1976]

@goaded I love facts. I despise you pushing socialism agenda as facts. That's not facts. That's gaslighting people into believing propaganda.

@Still-alive You said yourself that you're the one that moved of shifted or whatever to the left. Bill Maher said it himself. He didn't leave the Democrats... the Democrats left him. He hasn't changed, and neither have I.

Anyone who has the ability to make Bill Maher look like Bentino Mussolini has had their mind take a walk off the map.

[Still-alive]

@NYCQuestions1976 bill maher has fallen off his rocker.

and as far as im concerned you don't have facts you got 'things' you found in random corners on the internet. i like how you refuse to even engage with @goaded who pretty much walks all over you in terms of arguments and citing sources.

anyways keep on pretending you aren't a far right schmuck and love Trump no matter what he does illegal or not...

[NYCQuestions1976]

@Still-alive Wikipedia isn't a source. Anyone can edit anything there.

The only "sources" and "arguments" @goaded has is socialism. The "source" of socialism is insanity. Passing off insanity for reality is gaslighting.

It's really heartbreaking that there are people on this planet who welcome and worship big fat stupid bloated grim reaper socialism government like a religion and shun personal freedoms and actual accomplishments.

[Still-alive]

@NYCQuestions1976 "socialism"

and that is all YOU got. and you seem like you have no idea what that even is. to you its just 'whenever the government does things'. you've completely bought into the right wing narrative. you're firmly in their pocket. you aren't fooling anyone with your 'im a centrist' b. s.

[NYCQuestions1976]

@Still-alive No. It's whenever the government does anything UNNECESSARY and OVERBEARING that wastes my tax dollars. These days, that's a long long LONG list.

I'm trying to enjoy myself at Yankee Stadium tonight. One of the freedoms I choose to experience as a free individual in a non-socialism society. I promise I'll babysit you guys later. 👍

[Still-alive]

@NYCQuestions1976 "UNNECESSARY and OVERBEARING that wastes my tax dollars"

ah ok so you DO admit that you use it against anythign you don't like? like 'woke'?

anything you don't like = socialism? got it. thanks for clearing that up.

enjoy your game mr nazi.

[goaded]

@NYCQuestions1976 " @goaded I love facts. I despise you pushing socialism agenda as facts. That's not facts. That's gaslighting people into believing propaganda."
OK, then how many murders were there in NYC last year, among how many people? Now answer the same questions for Dallas, Texas.

And give the whole "Wikipedia isn't a source" bullshit a rest. It's a reasonable summary of valid sources 99.9% of the time, and if you've got a problem with that, point out where it isn't or where the source is wrong, don't just attack the messenger, it's pathetic.

[Still-alive]

@goaded yeah i always hate when people use the 'Wikipedia is not a good source' shite. in my opinion its just an excuse to not engage with the argument you're making.

[NYCQuestions1976]

@Still-alive No one important cares about your opinion on what you like and what you don't like. Wikipedia is lazy researching for inaccurate information. Anyone ANYONE can change the information on that site. It's common knowledge. So your opinion on Wikipedia is irrelevant.

@goaded Blue cities in red states are still blue cities, with liberals running them into the ground. So I'm not sure what your point was supposed to be in comparing Dallas and New York City.

@goaded @Still-alive All the two of you ever want to do is bleed earned money out of other people via bird-dog albatross government and spend it all on ridiculously dumb shit. Prototypical far-left socialists' playbook. Why do things for yourselves when you can force others to pay for your nonsense. It's disgusting.

Speaking of disgusting liberals and socialists, where's this money?

www.dailymail.co.uk/.../...tal-health-project.html

www.realclearpolicy.com/.../...centers_798162.html

www.nytimes.com/.../thrivenyc-mental-health-.html

www.nydailynews.com/.../...s5gnurt5pbcq-story.html

www.politico.com/.../with-opaque-budget-and-elusive-metrics-850m-thrivenyc-program-attempts-a-reset-873945

nypost.com/.../

[goaded]

@NYCQuestions1976 Why are you trying to change the subject? Dallas is in Texas. New York City is in New York State. In general the gun laws are set by the state. Now: how many murders were there in NYC last year, among how many people? Now answer the same questions for Dallas, Texas. (Or Houston, if you prefer, I haven't even looked that one up yet.)

Why don't you try changing the numbers on this page, and see how long your inaccurate information lasts on there. en.wikipedia.org/.../List_of_United_States_cities_by_crime_rate

[NYCQuestions1976]

@goaded Since you love Wikipedia so much:

en.m.wikipedia.org/.../List_of_mayors_of_the_50_largest_cities_in_the_United_States

Of the 50 largest cities in the United States, 36 are run by liberals. Two more are run by independents supported by the Democrats. That's 38 out of the 50 largest cities run by liberals or liberal-leaning politicians. Of those 38 cities, 17 of them are in blue states (plus Washington DC), and 4 more are in "coin-toss" states (Michigan, Ohio, Pennsylvania, Wisconsin). So go ahead and try telling me some more about how it's all about "population" and not about years (sometimes decades) of liberal policies running these cities into the ground.

Plus here's another prime example of stupid progressive wokeness and their meritless policies and intellectual bankruptcy financially bankrupting everyone else:

youtube.com/shorts/0aX-zISngxA?feature=share

I also still want to know where these taxpayer dollars went:

www.dailymail.co.uk/.../...tal-health-project.html

www.realclearpolicy.com/.../...centers_798162.html

www.nytimes.com/.../thrivenyc-mental-health-.html

www.nydailynews.com/.../...s5gnurt5pbcq-story.html

www.politico.com/.../with-opaque-budget-and-elusive-metrics-850m-thrivenyc-program-attempts-a-reset-873945

nypost.com/.../

[goaded]

@NYCQuestions1976 So you're still trying to avoid the fact that New York City, which you're trying to paint as a desperately dangerous hellhole of a city, has a murder rate about that of Kansas or Minnesota, less than half that of Arizona, Ohio, or Kentucky, less than a third that of Arkansas, and less than a quarter that of Louisiana.

Of course many cities are run by Democrats, they work for their constituents.

[NYCQuestions1976]

@goaded The Democrats work for their constituents? The same Democrats that allowed that allowed mostly minority neighborhoods and businesses to burn during the Summer of 2020? The same Democrats like former New York City mayor Bill DeBlasio and his wife Chirlane McCray, who misappropriated over $850 million in New York City taxpayer dollars while she was the "Mental Health Czar" under her husband's administration?

www.dailymail.co.uk/.../...tal-health-project.html

www.realclearpolicy.com/.../...centers_798162.html

www.nytimes.com/.../thrivenyc-mental-health-.html

www.nydailynews.com/.../...s5gnurt5pbcq-story.html

www.politico.com/.../with-opaque-budget-and-elusive-metrics-850m-thrivenyc-program-attempts-a-reset-873945

nypost.com/.../

Where'd all this money go, and why is there no active investigation going on by Alvin Bragg, who claims he's going after white collar crimes? Is Bragg also serving his constituents by not looking for their hundreds of millions of dollars? It happened in his jurisdiction.

Do you know what happened in New York City this morning? During the traffic and transit report I listen to as I commute to work, they said the Coney Island subway line was experiencing heavy delays because they had to remove a subway car from an active train because of "emergency cleaning". Do you know what that means? It means someone dropped trout and SHIT inside the subway car! These incidents are happening at an It may not be a murder, but sure sounds like a hellhole to me!

[NYCQuestions1976]

@goaded Strike the last sentence.

Incidents like these are happening at a much higher rate than ever before. It may not be a murder, but sure sounds like a hellhole to me!

[goaded]

@NYCQuestions1976 How many people do you think are on those trains every day? It's just your guess that that's what happened.

It was shootings and murder you were talking about: "New York City, Chicago, and Los Angeles, three cities run by liberals in three states run by liberals, have shootings every day and firearm murders just about every day.", remember?

Jacksonville, Florida has about half as many gun killings every year as NYC, with 1/8th the population.

[NYCQuestions1976]

@goaded Nowadays? There are PLENTY of people like that on the subway. It's disgusting. More importantly, it's a damn biohazard. I'm an electrician in the city with transit certification and have worked in the transit system numerous times. The MTA doesn't pull individual train cars from active service rolled out trains during the morning commute for "emergency cleaning" to deal with graffiti.

Jacksonville is one red city in one red state. The list above shows many more blue cities as examples, and many more blue cities in blue states as examples.

[goaded]

@NYCQuestions1976 But that "one red city in one red state" does have many times as many shootings and killings as NYC per person, right? Not surprisingly, since NYC ranks 60th in terms of murder rate in US cities.

[NYCQuestions1976]

@goaded Jacksonville is one city, and you're putting your entire emphasis on population with all these examples, while disregarding the policies in place for the same examples.

[goaded]

@NYCQuestions1976 Here are all the cities with Republican mayors from the link you gave me, with their rankings and murder rates (plus NYC). (Apologies for saying NYC was #60, earlier, it's actually #80.) How good do you think their policies are?

18 Tulsa 17.29
34 Oklahoma City 12.49
37 Jacksonville 12.18
39 Miami 11.23
40 Bakersfield 10.76
41 Fresno 10.64
57 Forth Worth 8.02
64 Omaha 6.90
68 Colorado Springs 6.13
72 Mesa 4.67
80 New York 3.39 (Democrat mayor)
86 Virginia Beach 3.08

[NYCQuestions1976]

@goaded So I guess that all the local news affiliates here in the New York City area are all lying? Hmmm...
https://youtu.be/SlPe62DIq1k
https://youtu.be/Oi5lbuqL0xA
https://youtu.be/y9blwmMQf-s
Are non-Democrats and non-liberals to blame for the disparities of homicide clearance rates? Maybe it's the "racist" NYPD? A police force that's a majority minority (over 50% non-Caucasian)? Hmmm...
https://youtu.be/Z9gO9VkcY20
Obviously it's just population and not policies. Oh wait!
https://youtu.be/b7ERKwKGCyw

[goaded]

@NYCQuestions1976 Ah, a Gish Gallop. Again, here are all the cities with Republican mayors from the link you gave me, with their rankings and murder rates (plus NYC). I don't think you answered the question: how good do you think their policies are?

18 Tulsa 17.29
34 Oklahoma City 12.49
37 Jacksonville 12.18
39 Miami 11.23
40 Bakersfield 10.76
41 Fresno 10.64
57 Forth Worth 8.02
64 Omaha 6.90
68 Colorado Springs 6.13
72 Mesa 4.67
80 New York 3.39 (Democrat mayor)
86 Virginia Beach 3.08

[NYCQuestions1976]

@goaded You responded in under 10 minutes. That means you didn't even bother to watch the videos.

Your list of supporting evidence consists of 10 cities ahead of (behind) New York City. So why are there so many numbers missing in your list? 1 to 17, 19 to 33, etcetera? Do you think numbers and mathematics are racist also? Or maybe all those other places don't support your argument? Only 10 out of 79 jurisdictions isn't a very strong argument.

[goaded]

@NYCQuestions1976 Of course I didn't watch your videos, you've never bothered to look up the facts I've laid out for you, or you did and found they don't support your case. I listed ten cities with Republican mayors because they're the ones from the link you gave me, and I correlated them with the murder rates. Feel free to do the same for the other cities if you like. Prove me wrong, like I've proven your claims about how terrible NYC is wrong.

Maybe the mayor of a city is not the be-all and end-all of what the murder rate is, maybe it has more to do with the state government, especially if the state has been gerrymandered to reduce the power of people in cities. Democratic cities in Democratic states may do better than Democratic cities in Republican states because they aren't being undermined at every turn. Clearly, having a Republican mayor is not a solution.

[NYCQuestions1976]

@goaded "Clearly, having a Republican mayor is not a solution."

Not when your city in a blue state (Bakersfield, Colorado Springs, Fresno).

"Maybe the mayor of a city is not the be-all and end-all of what the murder rate is, maybe it has more to do with the state government, especially if the state has been gerrymandered to reduce the power of people in cities."

You mean in cities like New York City, Chicago, and Los Angeles?

So where's all those missing numbers I asked about?

[goaded]

@NYCQuestions1976 So now you're blaming the state government for the murder rate in cities, but only if the state is Democratic and the mayor is Republican, of course. Every problem in a city with a Democratic mayor is because of that mayor. Right?

18 Tulsa 17.29
34 Oklahoma City 12.49
37 Jacksonville 12.18
39 Miami 11.23
40 Bakersfield 10.76
41 Fresno 10.64
57 Forth Worth 8.02
64 Omaha 6.90
68 Colorado Springs 6.13
72 Mesa 4.67
80 New York 3.39 (Democrat mayor)
86 Virginia Beach 3.08

New York City, Chicago, and Los Angeles, are not in states have been gerrymandered to reduce the power of people in cities.

There are no "missing numbers", I already gave you a link to the information in simple table form: en.wikipedia.org/.../List_of_United_States_cities_by_crime_rate

[NYCQuestions1976]

@goaded You brought up gerrymandering, not me. Do you really believe that Democrats at the state level never engage in gerrymandering when it comes to their cities and other local municipalities? You should visit New York sometime.

Why should cities have more power than the state they're in anyway? They rely heavily on state funding. That's like parents paying for their kids' college, and then the kids telling their parents what to do.

There are no missing numbers? You were taught to start counting at 18? Then jump to 34? Maybe it's time for you to consider answering these following questions instead. I posted them as obvious satire a while ago, but they're right on your intellectual level:

Hello Everyone. Is "Clear" A Color? ↗

Have Essential Oils Been Going To Work Throughout The Entire Pandemic While Non-Essential Oils Have Been Forced To Work From Home? ↗

Are Circles Round Enough? ↗

Is This "Penis" Too Small? ↗

Is This "Vagina" Too Large? ↗

[goaded]

@NYCQuestions1976 You've clearly decided that you've lost the argument, such as it was, and just want to distract. Go follow the link, if you want to see the other cities, the top murder rates are in Republican states. It's simply a fact.

[NYCQuestions1976]

@goaded What? You listed only 10 of 79 cities ahead (behind) New York! Why, and how is that a winning argument? 😂😂😂

[NYCQuestions1976]

@goaded Your better off trying this:
Have Essential Oils Been Going To Work Throughout The Entire Pandemic While Non-Essential Oils Have Been Forced To Work From Home? ↗

[goaded]

@NYCQuestions1976 Oh, fuck off, you know they were the cities that you pointed out had Republican mayors.

[Still-alive]

@goaded dont you like how often he pivots when you actually address his points and then smugly acts like he owned you? Lol… so typical…

[goaded]

It would be amusing, if it weren't so predictable and irritating.

[NYCQuestions1976]

@goaded Why are you cursing? It's the weekend.

10 ÷ 79 = Only 12.6582278481% of cities with Republican mayors behind New York City. How is that a winning argument? 🤔

[goaded]

@NYCQuestions1976 You'll even lie about what I just said? " It would be amusing, if it weren't so predictable and irritating. " is not "cursing", and you know you've lost the argument.

[NYCQuestions1976]

@goaded Previous comment. Duh.

[goaded]

@NYCQuestions1976 Oh, that was because you were being deliberately irritating. Does NYC have a murder rate nearly 20x lower than the most dangerous city in the country or not?

[NYCQuestions1976]

@goaded You mean St. Louis at 66.07 per 100,000 people, run by Democrats? Yes.

[goaded]

@NYCQuestions1976 Oh, look, you can look at facts! Who runs the state, Democrats or Republicans? Who sets the firearms laws, Democrats or Republicans?

[NYCQuestions1976]

@goaded In St. Louis proper? Democrats. They also cut the law enforcement budget there also. I see it's working. Thanks for further proving my point. 👍

Here... you should try these instead. They're more recent:
Riddle Me This, GaG: What Did Tony Soprano Say To Pat Sajak On 'Wheel Of Fortune'? ↗
Since "Video Killed The Radio Star", Does that Mean "Internet Killed The Video Star"? ↗

[Still-alive]

@NYCQuestions1976 moving the goal post. Nice 👌

[NYCQuestions1976]

@Still-alive If anything, I moved them closer. Do you also start counting at 18? 🤔

[goaded]

@NYCQuestions1976 When did they "cut the law enforcement budget"? What was the murder rate before and after? Are you lying about all of that?

[NYCQuestions1976]

@goaded All you need to do is type "St. Louis defund police" in Google and/or YouTube.
https://youtu.be/V3-tS2HAsXg
https://youtu.be/P_IF0Z3xrZs
https://youtu.be/pVWismWbgmw
https://youtu.be/oMMpgyvCA6Y

[goaded]

@NYCQuestions1976 Not having trained Google to return right-wing nonsense, I see instead articles that point out that people were claiming that the cuts led to increased crime even before they were passed, let alone implemented, the cut was $4 million from $176 million, the money was redirected to other programs to reduce crime, and the "eliminated" police positions were just 2/3rds of vacant positions, no police officer lost their job.

[NYCQuestions1976]

@goaded Those videos were reports directly from local news affiliates in St. Louis. Same for the ones from the New York City area. All before the national media gets their hands on them and either cherrypicks them, alters them, or buries them.

[goaded]

@NYCQuestions1976 Maybe they just weren't newsworthy.

Oh, look, you must have been hoping I wouldn't look at the videos. The one about 55 murders in a month was from 2020, during the pandemic and before the mayor was even elected, one is about housing federal convicts, and one is an example of the violent crime that the mayor ran on reducing, again before she'd passed a budget.

[NYCQuestions1976]

@goaded The videos from the local news affiliates were all from the last 3 years, and they're clearly dated. So the prior mayor wasn't a Democrat, same as the current mayor? Was the gunfire press conference before or after her law enforcement budget?

National media's definition of "newsworthy" is whatever fits the narrative and agenda they're pushing. Would CNBC or MSNBC ever report on this story from the local NBC News affiliate in Los Angeles?
https://youtu.be/F-VLDfCl5ak
Shockingly enough, NBC National (network) News reported on this following story, which was first reported by the local NBC and ABC affiliates in New York City. I bet this wouldn't ever be on CNBC or MSNBC either:
https://youtu.be/RoGHvyygdJY
https://youtu.be/-nRxO8lb48w
https://youtu.be/WIdU27ehd4M
You should spend some time watching videos from local news affiliates in metropolitan areas, instead of watching whatever nonsense you usually watch. You might learn a thing or two.

[goaded]

@NYCQuestions1976 Ah, another pivot. Your claim was that the current mayor defunding the police was the reason for high crime in St. Louis, then you show videos that show no correllation, let alone causation, mostly because the "defunding" (actually re-purposing of less than 2% of police funds) hadn't happened yet.

[NYCQuestions1976]

@goaded What pivot? So the answer to higher crime and more violent crime in liberal run cities is less money for law enforcement?

[goaded]

@NYCQuestions1976 The one where you went from a claim that "defunding the police" (transferring about 2% of their budget to crime prevention) in St. Louis causes high rates of crime when it hasn't happened yet to the mayors (of a city in a totally red state that stops them from regulating firearms) simply being Democratic.

[NYCQuestions1976]

@goaded In one of the more recent videos (St. Louis), they talk about refunding the law enforcement budget after they decided to defund the law enforcement budget, because of the extreme rise in violent crime. Are you suggesting that they just flapped their gums both times and actually did nothing both times?

You know what? They're politicians. I'd actually believe that. They probably used their constituents' tax dollars both times they "took action" and "realigned the budget" also.

[goaded]

@NYCQuestions1976 Just to be clear, you're claiming that the huge amounts of violent crime in St. Louis is totally independent of the Republican state's policy of, essentially, the only gun law is that there shall be no gun regulation.

Do you really think things like this can change in a couple of years, or are you just pretending to? Much like you pretended NYC is soooo terrible, with its murder rate a tiny fraction of St. Louis.

[NYCQuestions1976]

@goaded Gun control laws don't stop illegal firearms. Otherwise there'd basically be 0 gang-related shootings in metropolitan areas. Criminals don't line up to purchase firearms legally now, and criminals won't start lining up to purchase legal firearms if they need all sorts of additional permits and paperwork.

Also, if Missouri, a red state by probably 2 to 1, enacted gun control laws in a metropolitan area like St. Louis, you don't think that would be seen as racist, even if it's not meant to be racist?
https://youtu.be/dYdk9gSp2Kw

[Still-alive]

@NYCQuestions1976 lol stossel is a joke…

[NYCQuestions1976]

@Still-alive John Stossel is one of the last great award-winning independent journalists in the United States, and on this planet. You should start watching his videos and actually try to learn something before you're fully lost, Anakin.

[Still-alive]

@NYCQuestions1976 i already have mr ‘im a centrist’

I once thought he was great. Then I discovered how much of a far right hack he is later.

But go ahead and keep posting more videos of his and his kind.

[goaded]

@NYCQuestions1976 "Gun control laws don't stop illegal firearms"
Do you understand the fallacy of the false dilemma? ↗
Seatbelts and aitbags don't stop traffic deaths either, but they sure as hell reduce them. Restrictions on firearms also reduce murder rates.

I'll remind you of the difference in murder rates between Biden and Trump voting states, which is a pretty good analogue for states with more regulations and those with less, don't you think?

[NYCQuestions1976]

@Still-alive Who do you believe to be a "good journalists"? Joy Reid? Keith Olbermann? Joe Scarborough? The View? 😂😂😂

[Still-alive]

@NYCQuestions1976 nope, none of those corporate hacks either but nice try.

Anyways proceed with your extremely bad faith debate with @goaded who has already run rough shot over your arguments several times over by now. You know its ok to leave and still feel like you did well right? No i guess not. Your ego depends on you looking like you’re right here. And you can't have anyone showing you that you’re wrong thats just inconceivable…

[NYCQuestions1976]

@goaded Your graph is the false dilemma here. Gun control laws only stop law-abiding citizens from purchasing legal firearms. They do nothing to stop the influx and flow of illegal firearms.

[goaded]

@NYCQuestions1976 The graph is a simple fact, Trump voting states have 40% higher murder rates than Biden voting states. (The difference would probably be even more bigger with Trump/Clinton states.)

The false dilemma is when you say firearm regulations have to be 100% effective to be useful. Restricting the availability of guns also reduces the availability of guns to criminals. Which is one of the reasons why Europe has a far lower murder rate than the US.

[Still-alive]

@goaded i know right? No one ever says there would be ‘no’ gun deaths just fat farrr fewer. They love making that strawman a lot huh?

[NYCQuestions1976]

@Still-alive Far fewer my ass. Criminals would still have their guns. That's part of what makes them CRIMINALS. They. Don't. Follow. LAWS.

I haven't been wrong in this entire argument. The two of you are overly-liberalized socialist woke hacks. You want the government to use everyone like puppets, you want the government to give you free shit and have others pay for that shit, and you want the government to punish those who cherish freedom, effort, reasoning, rights, and personal individuality. It's disheartening and sad.

@goaded Your driving analogy is dumb (but not surprising). Driving is a PRIVILEGE. Legally choosing to own firearms is a RIGHT.

[goaded]

@NYCQuestions1976 You haven't been right in this entire argument. Trump states have higher murder rates than Biden states, NYC is far from being the most dangerous in the country (#80), even Chicago is #14. States with stricter gun control laws are safer than ones with looser. Having a Democratic mayor is no defence from a Republican state legislature, and Republican mayors of large cities have really bad murder rates.

[goaded]

"Your driving analogy is dumb (but not surprising). Driving is a PRIVILEGE. Legally choosing to own firearms is a RIGHT. "
Oh, FFS. That right is restricted, even in Republican states.

[NYCQuestions1976]

@goaded It's still a right for law-abiding citizens to legally own legal firearms, not a privilege like driving.

[goaded]

@NYCQuestions1976 You can still define what a "legal" firearm is, then? Good. I'd choose one bullet, not re-loadable. With the owner's name on it.

[NYCQuestions1976]

@goaded I don't own any firearms myself, but I'm pretty sure you can't reload bullets once they've been used. I believe they warp from the friction and heat when they're fired.

[Still-alive]

Well this question keeps crashing my phone… and looks like this is redundant arguing with someone like this nyc dude. So im out. Ill turn off the notifications but you guys have fun.

[NYCQuestions1976]

@Still-alive Bye. Save yourself while you still can. It's not too late, Anakin.

[Still-alive]

@NYCQuestions1976 nor you nazi…

[NYCQuestions1976]

@Still-alive Loving freedom, accomplishment, and individuality is the opposite of being a Nazi. It's unfortunate that you don't understand that. In reality, both you guys are much closer to being Nazis than I'll ever be. Government oppression is still oppression, even though it's coming from the opposite side of the spectrum.

[LiamJHayden]

Hopelessness rooted in godlessness. There is a reason that there were gun clubs in the schools when my grandparents went and no mass shootings. People could buys guns in lots of different stores, no background check, and no lunatics shooting up schools and other places. The problem is not guns and never has been. The problem is the depravity of certain humans.

[Exterminatore]

Exactly. We had a rifle club at my HS.

This is a problem we didn’t see in America until about 20 years ago.

Godlessness and the resulting moral decay created this.

Even people who didn’t believe in God didn’t do things like this 30, 40, 70 or 100 years ago because the preserving impact of Christianity on society. It set enough of a societal tone that even the ungodly wouldn’t do certain things. Not anymore. Now nothing is sacred in this post Christian society.

It seems like we’re one of the few people connecting these dots.

[Anonymous]

No gun control and the out of control gun culture that is crippling America. They have lost the plot so much that some think the answer to too many guns is to give people more guns. You can't make this stuff up.

[RockyHammock]

Guns don't kill. People do. If all guns were taken away today, you would still have plenty of murders.

[Agape93]

Political ideology stress, stress from covid, stress from job opportunities and finances, shit mental health, shit social wellbeing etc.

[FallingSkies_18]

Maybe it is related to COVID, and all of the terrible things that happened then?

[annabananna]

Maybe

[msc545]

Capitalism is the problem.

The economic system in this country is rigged against virtually everyone except a very small percentage of people who are rich sociopaths. The resuilt is like living in a casino where you must play and you almost always lose, and the sociopaths always win.

This is enough to make people chronically enraged, and sometimes it just spills over.

[ChooChooHaha]

I wonder how much the feds got to do with it. Apparently they too had their hooks in Columbine and other shootings, so I'm very suspicious of them.

[annabananna]

I think the police did an amazing job in how the handles the last shooting.

[ChooChooHaha]

But like Columbine's final video/s, they won't release the manifesto from the shooter on this one. Why? What's being hidden here?

[Amur8711]

I like how you say you support the 2nd Amendment then say "but". Right there you admit you don't support it, and yes you do want to ban all guns then. In Japan it is impossible for an ordinary citizen to even own one. Thats why airsoft is so popular there.

Tell me do you even know what the 2nd Amendment says?

[Amur8711]

Sorry this was ment for @stillalive

[Amur8711]

Wow! @Still-alive blocked me.

Thus is the problem with people today. No back bone

[Amur8711]

https://youtu.be/_cB94hP1pLM

[bamesjond0069]

Because unchecked mental illness is on the rise. FYI being "trans" or taking anti depressants is not solving this, it's just making more mentally ill people we allow out in society.

[legalboxers]

The Far Right believes that they are many "Good Guys with Guns" and those "Good Guys" will stop the "bad guys with guns".

[humanearth]

Government is doing this to trick people to give up their guns

[annabananna]

How is the government doing this?

[humanearth]

You must believe Democrats and Republicans are truly two separate groups

[annabananna]

That doesn’t answer how they are doing this? I’m genuinely interested in what you think

[Alpha714]

Overall society behaviour to eachother is getting cruel day by day... Every action has it's reaction... Insanity , frustration is raising in our behaviour... Who has a little power pressing other who get under them... Soo... U r watching the result

[Anonymous]

It's a general pattern of society, people behave in a way mimicking others from the same category. That's why areas, countries, and states harbor so many similarities. Mentally unfit patients with suicidal tendencies follow the same successful tactics as the previous one.

[douride2]

To many people with mental issues & easy access to guns.

[Tamera952]

They have been on the rise for years now…. Wtf?

[annabananna]

Mmhmm

[AmeerX]

Lack of self control seems to be the only main reason

[Reijen]

I blame media. Kinda like when child kidnappings were reported back in the 90s with the advent of national news.

[red324]

I doubt they've risen, word just travels faster now. It wasn't until maybe 5 or 6 years ago that all this stuff popped up on the front page of every search engine. Before then our phones didn't have enough data to handle that.

[LickSmack]

I think there are many factors depending on the Individual.

Unchecked anger, lack of a Father Figure... Drugs sometimes have a play. Bully problems?

Plus, I can't imagine any other place a kid hates more.

[call_me_scar]

Lots of mental illness, and weak gun control laws or at least that's the case here in the states other countries like Japan barely get over 10 deaths a year do to guns

[888theGreat]

People are down, depressed , frustrated with a collapsing economy, and wars with Biden. It doesn't help trying to make women become men either. Anyone that tries that is already crazy. Give them a gun and you have this.

[trinibaddie]

Because we are in a mental health crisis and its significantly affecting us youth.

[AngryCarl2]

I didn't know they were. It feels like they're just a regular part of the American education system now. Since the state can't protect your kids, maybe you should be home schooling them?

[Bklynbadboy12]

Cause nobody wants to address the real problem mental health in America

[Soteris]

How ironic. *gestures to the literal elephant in the room AKA the GOP and GUNS*

Maybe you should start addressing the real problems too?

[Bklynbadboy12]

What do you think the real problem is guns

[Soteris]

Well, a bunch of reasons. First of all it correlates pretty well. Namely by comparing your country to others it makes sense that the high gun ownership rate and mass shootings correlate. Secondly, its a very "gunsentric" problem, even if we ignore the "shooting" in mass shooting and just focus on an incident where one person indiscriminately murders several others in public, it is very unlikely to happen with anything else besides a gun.

As such, there might very well be just as many criminals in other countries attempting to do the same amount of damage but being unable to get the same results with knives or bombs or whatever as Americans can get through just buying a cheap gun. We can also consider how much control USA has over who can and can't buy a gun, more specifically how easily it would be for someone with criminal intent to legally buy a gun.

Considering all the loopholes and whatever and lack of id control and checkups, there is no barrier except a bit of pocket change for an American criminal to purchase a gun. As such, every criminal in USA can reasonably be assumed to be armed, especially those that intend to cause public harm. If anything, they could be considered the primary customer of guns after the military.

I could also point to various other countries that also had a period of increase in gun violence followed by gun control legislation which reduced it back down to negligible levels. Lastly, just to address your mental health argument from previously. It is not true. Specifically, it is a propaganda statement constructed by pro-gun advocates to pull the blame away from guns by making baseless but believably sounding accusations against mental health.

America does have a mental health problem but it is not really tied to the mass shootings. It certainly does not help, but it is not why USA is the only country in the world with this issue.

[Akam93]

What do you mean? They happen all the time not just recently. There is evil everywhere and people are evil.

[IveGotNoName]

The US's dumb gun laws I'm guessing is the core problem...

[Anonymous]

Maybe the media glorifies it so they do it because it’s been done so many times before, maybe we’re just hearing it more now because of how much news coverage there is, it may have been happening all along in the past

[Christoff92]

Because everything is based on the green 🤑

[genericname85]

cause the economy is going to shit. economy goes down, crime goes up. that's how it works.

[CassandraSpender]

Because baseball is boring so we needed a new national pasttime

[Pterodon]

Because of the woke lefts turning away from traditional values

[Jackblue]

Because, the media reports on it, giving these shooters the attention they crave.

[Filthy_Immigrant]

Because democrats are inciting them more now in order to justify their laws against guns

[MrGTAB]

That's the media, historically violence has been on the decline although I will give you political tensions are pretty high

[Jennz6]

I know again yesterday

[Jennz6]

Sick people

[annabananna]

It’s so sad

[CaptainSmartass]

Because some people are just nuts.

Simples...

[NostalgiaSenpi]

We need to bring back mental institutions and put these people away.

[Anonymous]

Extremism.. Specifically leftist extremism..