We are weak right now, it isn't an appearance... Also primed to fight ourselves at the drop of a pin, which is scarier to me than a world war, at least that's an external enemy.
How are guns obvious, there are 390 million of them in the US, and 329 million people. There were more guns than people before mass shootings were an issue.
@razelove there were 90 million guns in America when this started in the 50s and 60s. This isn't something that just started in the 2000s, this has been going on for decades.You can buy guns here in the UK but its actually pretty expensive whether you buy legally or illegally. You can't just buy a gun for £90. Mass shootings still happen here but not to the extent it does in America. It seems that whenever a mass shooting happens in America its almost like it inspires others.
Where's the sauce for your figures going back that far? Also how much is 90 pounds? I can absolutely find a gun for 150 or so, but someone got killed with it and the seller is trying to get rid of it for that purpose. That's here at least.
@razelove Google is a click away from showing you. There's a whole history of mass shootings that's been increasing.As I understand it in texas yiu get a gun free every time you buy a bottle of Jim bean
I'm finding nothing for amount of guns in 1950. Could be because there's not an accurate number. The amount of guns manufactured and sold domestically only required reporting starting in 1938 after all. Sometimes there are promotions for opening a bank account, or drawings to get a gun for some events, but they're too expensive, even for a home-made shotgun from home depot, to compare to a bottle of liqour.So you don't have a source is what you're saying. Your other points are valid, 2018, 2019 London had a higher murder rate than New York, now in pretty much every other developed country the murder rate is dropping, only in the US is it like we're going for a gold medal in the special olympics. If you can find that Jim Bean promotion in Texas I need to go buy a few cases of Jim Bean and resell them in Mexico...
@razelove "London had a higher murder rate than New York" For a couple of weeks. By the end of the year, NY was back to twice the murders per capita.
@razelove Of course, the decline of violent crime since lead was taken out of fuel led to a massive decline in murders, but the murder rate has been increasing since, oh, 2016.en.wikipedia.org/.../List_of_U.S._states_and_territories_by_intentional_homicide_rate
@goaded Well, what I can see from there is at least Louisiana can be number 1 at something when we put our minds to it. Not even cities in Lebanon or Yemen can compare to the murder rate of New Orleans alone.
@razelove I remember that story about London having a higher murder rate, the media had to reverse course on it as it simply wasn't true.www.bellingcat.com/.../Seems to be a case of less households owning guns and a lot of gun owners owning a lot of guns.www.google.com/.../the-gun-numbers-just-3-of-american-adults-own-a-collective-133m-firearms
@razelove I remember an article years ago that said it was statistically safer to be a us marine in falujah than yo live in detroit, Chicago or L. A
Well, one factor would be the body armor and equipment in reference to Fallujah. One of my friends was there for the first push, and safe would not be the word to use. You can live missing a limb, and you'll be a casualty, but you're right that you won't be dead. Also a relatively small percentage of soldiers or marines see combat. Most are POGs that provide support. It's like 10:1 there. Crime is high in areas with high crime, New Orleans has a higher murder rate than either of those cities, but excepting bad luck (you live in a high crime area and can't get out), you seek those situations out. I can go around New Orleans at night and be fine, but if I start looking for heroin, hookers, or similar, that chance of getting robbed and/or shot goes up to the point of tossing dice. One thing I can think of that would make that chance drop like a rock is rolling with a fire team kitted out like I'm going to Iraq...It's the paradox of gun control, or especially "common sense gun control" here. Who would enforce it? Illegal guns are already cheaper than legal guns, their serial numbers are no good if they get run through the system. Even taking 1/4 of Americans as legal gun owners, there are still more gun owners in the US then there are active duty military in every army on Earth combined that cannot be mobilized at all. It is a very very deadly immovable object, that honestly I wouldn't tinker with. Right now people still by and large follow the gun laws federally, in Chicago, NY, Denver, so on and so forth. It doesn't take much equipment to manufacture and sell modern firearms. A CNC router, lathe, and blocks of metal. You still get guns in the UK, as does Japan, though the penalties grow harsher as time goes on. In the absence of guns, you get terrorist attacks. Twisted people are going to find the tools to do twisted things.
Anyway, it isn't the availability of guns that makes it harder to shoot where you're at, but ammo. I ran into the same thing in Costa Rica. You can buy guns there, but you need a licensed weapon to buy bullets in different calibers. I was looking at a.38 special for about 200 dollars, a box of 50 bullets since it was unlicensed would have been 100. Or I could have a revolver with no bullets. Rifle ammo was more around 2.50-5.00 a bullet. In perspective that's about the monthly expenses living well.No one brings up ammo control rather than gun control because it isn't going to happen and no one really wants a solution, it's meant to drive up gun sales and divide the left and right further. Only one thing happens when gun control is mentioned, gun and ammo sales skyrocket.
@razelove "Twisted people are going to find the tools to do twisted things. " You don't have to make it trivially easy for them, though.
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I think the negative impact is expected. I sold my house and moved in a large part because I have kids, and kids need social interactions. There weren't, still aren't many, but some kids were playing outside in this neighborhood, this house was reasonable, we moved.
@razelove True. I work specifically with kids who have a mental health diagnosis and we didn't see an influx of new referrals during the pandemic but that's because it's typically the schools who send kids to me. Generally speaking, when kids were stuck at home, their parents weren't seeking help for them so a lot of kids went untreated and were socially isolated. Kids are struggling so much now socially AND academically. Almost all of the children I work with are at least 1-2 grade levels behind where they should be.
There's definitely lobbyists for countries or corporations paying trolls. But I'm not sure causing panic and uncertaintly.
Panic and uncertainty is more just a consequence of the pandemic, in my mind. Humans do weird shit when we're under chronic stress.
Who's pushing the Great Replacement Theory?
@goaded i am. Lets replace some racist lazy americans with hard working illegals.
@OddBeMe LOL! OK, who's pushing it and pretending it's really happening and is a bad thing?
@goaded i may be touchy after paying my business taxes… :)
Too much free speech? Are you kidding me? That doesn’t sound dystopian at all. America’s “freedom of speech” has been butchered over the last decade. The corporate censorship has driven these bigoted ideals under the surface so they can fester and radicalize.
but you dont have free speech. People in your country get locked up for even JOKES. Case in point: Count Dankula. No one tells people to hate and buy a gun in the general population. You have fringe elements that take to the dark web and radicalize. There's no way to stop it either way. There's people in your country who committed mass shootings or stabbings too. Maybe not lately for obvious reasons but that kind of hate can happen anywhere at anytime when you have people of different opinions, cultures, or outward appearances. It's a thing that goes back throughout human history, in groups and out groups.
@purplepoppy You act as if this division and hate isn't caused by our government on purpose. You also act as if your country is perfect and doesn't do the same damn thing, but here you are spouting off about a country you will never live in. How many of us are bitching about your country and it's imperfections? Only thing we do, is we damned glad we don't live in that place, because as much as it sucks here? It's 100 times better.
poppy, do you think that due to the fact the nature of the internet is unlimited free speech with no "social rules"(everyone is behind a screen), the internet is therefore responsible for hatred culture and everyone thinks killing is the thing to do?
I actually agree that there's likely a larger organization behind a lot of them. Typically in those types of shootings there are many wounded, and few killed. There have been too many with many killed and few wounded. That speaks of far too high a level of training that most police can't obtain. They miss 2/3 shots in a shootout from 7 yards away. Anyway, page 10 for kills/wounded up until 2013. Also an upwards trend long before Covid. It would take a long time to put together a group like that, especially since it would need a cell structure to work. Recruitment, training, funding, targets, leadership. That would be a behemoth to hide. Certainly possible though.www.fbi.gov/.../...e-shooter-study-2000-2013-1.pdf
Jesus everything's a conspiracy with you fcks.
I don't think it's necessarily a conspiracy of the left or the right. You would understand if you've shot lots of rounds and reloaded on a range at paper targets with a weapon, say handgun, battle rifle, AR, whatever, compared to shooting at something living. You have to put in a lot more time and practice besides ambush one shot kills. Your target is moving erratically and swiftly after that first shot, your stance is changing rapidly, if they're grouped your target is changing, and you have to search for it. Reloading is hectic, and often more swift to drop a 3 point harness and pull a handgun.We could go to the range for a week or two and I could have you precisely hitting targets. I could buy a few goats and pigs to bait on a trail, and besides a hand grenade I won't be able to get you to kill all of them within a couple weeks. Maybe even months for that matter.It's a question worth asking, where the kills outpace the injuries, how did they train? Where did they get the resources? Ammo isn't cheap, and livestock would only be effective if they were practicing trauma medicine or leading targets over a distance or at high speed.
@razelove I have. And so have the mass shooters. They discover hours of practice and loads of high capacity magazines.
The reason i say it is perhaps in part black ops is quite simple; look at the agenda pushed by the media when it happens.It is always calls for gun controls, which inform you of the position desired by power (not surprising really, if you personally were trying to control a group of people would you prefer they were armed or unarmed?).There is nothing unusual about black ops, it isn't a far fetched claim, it is as the sicilians would say 'as old as the hills.'So the question OddBeMe is not, to paraphrase, 'Why is everything always a conspiracy with you fucks?' It is 'Why do you (OddBeMe) always have your head up your ass?'
Why is single parenting so evil?
because who is going to provide a positive male/female role model and how is the child going to see how two people compromise and make things work? How is this boy going to learn how to change a tire (be masculine) and who is going to help the girl with "girl stuff" competently? They don't learn to cope and worse yet if both parents are trying to be the child's "friend" to win favor by being lenient they won't have any emotional armor to deal with other people who aren't in the world for the sole purpose of pleasing them.
(Checking) Nope single parent household not on the list for IDing killers. Its red meat by christian idiots.