And can that knowledge be used to identify and prevent future mass shootings? Sadly, I see the seeds of these tragedies in the young children. Their hearts broken, broken families... with every child without parents and fathers, the risk increases. Each of those tragedies can turn into a much greater tragedy. Society has to bear the burden of addressing it's problems
and I wonder if there's another theme..."boys feeling they have no hope with girls". I need to research that angle.
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This doesn't even cover the suicides and how many of those may have gone mass shooting if they hadn't ended their lives. It appears we need men actively in childrens lives in a good way. MGTOW, turn around and go back. Women going thier own way, turn around... go back. Back to traditional values.
Why do you think mass shooters are almost always male and without a father figure?
Yes, I see all types of failure in kids these days without positive male role models in their lives... but lets not put all the blame on men as a whole. Because these women play a part in that as well. I have a very verdictive and controlling ex wife, so the fact that I have literally been cut out of my children's life has nothing to do with anything I ever did to them or her. She literally destroyed the relationship or any possibility of me having a positive influence in my children's lives single handedly on her own.
Secondly I think society has a whole far and above demonizes men way more than we see women being. Even here in your post, you see a single mother with no father and you call out to "Men... do you see how important you are to children?"
Why not consider saying Women do you see how important the father of your children are to them, don't put yourself in the way of that. And of course men have to step up, no doubt... but there is two sides to every coin so lets not forget that.
That's a valid point, women can divide the family or keep it together, and it's a choice. Putting their emotions aside and focusing on what's best for the kids should be the intent.
I saw my wife demonstrate how to do this right and made big difference with the kids and her x. Sorry you didn’t get that respect… it’s a reflection or the woman.
you get MHO for taking a complicated, emotional matter and boiling it down to the basic truth. Please take a high position of authority... age=wisdom I guess...
Women never killed with gun they usually do with poison. Just like when they commit suicide, they do it with poison or medicaments never gun. Men commit suicide with gun and when they kill someone they do it with a gun or with their hands. I don't know how to explain it in English (I'm French) but women never kill directly (gun or hands) they always do it in a indirect ways (poison; medicaments, etc...) which could explain why they aren't mass shooter.
and for the without father then I would say feeling rejected and unloved by your own father must be atrocious. Especially since in those cases the mother are in general not very nice to their son, they usually think they're gonna end up being assholes like their father or something.
There are hopeless broken people everywhere but only in America is there this many mass shootings. By far the highest per capital mass shooting country. It's because the insanely lax gun laws and bizarre childish gun culture.
@Guffrus agree. we used to teach guns in school. but I'd bet fathers were there then:) Is it in fact... the missing fathers began sometime after vietnam?
@lightbulb27 Well I thought I had better do some fact checking as I haven't looked at this for a very long time.
Wikipedia lists a bunch of shootings before prozac came out, almost all them we ex military and the ones which werent they killed their families. There was also one which seemed to be about money and gambling, criminal i think so Im not sure that should even be in the list as there must have been many times criminals shot each other over money.
The absence of a father figure is the leading predictive element in future criminal behavior of juveniles. No, I don't mean "children"; this isn't limited to humans, or even primates; you see it with elephants, too.
It's almost like ripping out a core element of a society that evolved to have and NEED tdat element damages it! And demonizing people based on gender and ethnicity disaffects them! Who would've guessed, except people with basic knowledge of psychology?
I supported- and still support- gay marriage because I believe in the ideal of the family, and am willing to allow experimentation with other forms of it. I don't know how same-sex couples' parenting will affect their kids, and neither does anyone else. Want to mitigate possible damage? Bring the extended family in. Whether they're related or not, the advantages of having that kind of stability in your life are HUGE- I saw it firsthand. A society that teaches that family is a small isolated thing that has to keep moving around and never put down roots anywhere is asking for trouble.
I had no idea, very interesting. Makes me wonder what it is about males... are we a stabilizing emotional "cap"... emotionally? valid question about when there is no male. I suspect it is more about roles and energy, one takes a more dominant role. not sure, we don't know.
Because having a posative male role model is very crucial in our development on a mental and emotional level. Without one around or a negative male role model around it can very much throw our mental and emotional development off course and send us in a negative direction. For example it can create jealousy and anger towards kids that do have a posative male role model around. It can also do the same if a child has a negative male role model around. Simply because it is a case of another kid having something that we don't have.
I'll be 100% honest my father took off shortly after I was born and my younger brothers father started using drugs and that created it's own set of issues. So I ended up on both sides of the spectrum. It did lead to jealousy and anger towards kids that had their father around and a posative male role model because of it. Thankfully I had a grandfather that did his best to provide me with a posative male role model. So the negative impact was not as bad a it could have been.
If it was not for my grandfather I know the impact would have been worse. More then likely set me on really bad path. The path that would have probably lead me to addiction issues and or in and out of jail through out my life. The man reason being that not having a father around does leave a void in a boy when we are growing up. So I would have probably found something seriously negative to fill that void. Or I could have ended up being influenced by a extremely negative sudo father figure.
The main reason I stayed on the straight and narrow growing up and left booze and drugs alone was become I didn't want to disappoint my grandfather. Sure I didn't want to disappoint my mother either. But our relationship was strained at best. Due to that not disappointing my grandfather was much more important then disappointing my mother ever was.
I feel this is more than just lack of a father figure with a lot of these mass shooters. If we delve into this it comes down to broken homes, mental illness, lack of involvement from the parents, lack of action being taken when troubling behavior is displayed (much like what happened with this TX shooter), bullying, antidepressants/pharmaceutical drugs, etc. It is a lot in this to look at.
Now if we really want to go down the gun control road it becomes a slippery slope of what is allowed and what isn't because now it becomes an intrusive topic to responsible owners and criminals and action being taken.
So for example if we want to implement things like psychological evaluations, let's look at potential issues. The psychologist is the one to determine who is mentally fit for firearm owning. Who is to say that they won't try to bend and flex the rules overall? Like what if they say anyone who wants a gun is already mentally disturbed and will not be cleared, or even if they show one simple sign of a potential mental illness or if they had even seen a mental health specialist in the past, does that automatically disqualify them from owning a firearm? What if they were prior military or law enforcement that had training and were trusted with those weapons while on duty and now want them. Are they allowed to own one because of their profession or is that another bar as well that they need to clear and jump?
Next comes things like age, background checks, licensing and training. How much of this is going to considered before this grows into a matter of just taking guns away outright?
As Pudsmucker observed, almost all these murderers just think they are "getting even"- revenge- by hurting others. the Bible speaks of revenge about 50 times. Here are three which are easily understood:
Let all bitterness and wrath and anger and clamor and slander be put away from you, along with all malice. Be kind to one another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, as God in Christ forgave you. Ephesians 4:31-32
For we know him [God] who said, “Vengeance is mine; I will repay.” And again, “The Lord will judge his people.” Hebrews 10:30
For the wrongdoer will be paid back for the wrong he has done, and there is no partiality. Colossians 3:25
Because undisciplined, ill socialized men are dangerous. This has never not been the case. Male focus and aggression is powerful, but that power can work against us if it isn't properly channeled. That is why the father is such an important figure in the family unit. You have ONE chance to properly socialize and discipline boys during their upbringing, and if you miss it they will likely remain undisciplined for the rest of their lives. Undisciplined boys become undisciplined men, and undisciplined men only end up in one of two places: jail or the ground. This undisciplined man, who committed the shooting, ended up in the ground.
Well, racists will definitely focus on race. As for the mass shootings themselves, well it is only getting worse. And it seems that we can only watch, until it happens to us or someone we love. . . then we will become apart of a club that isn't so exclusive anymore.
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Mass shootings started in 90s with columbine. Then a bunch of copycats after. Wonder why? The media making it a glorified thing and talking about it all the time. Mix that with mentally ill kids who want attention and raised by single mom and you have a recipe for disaster.
Generally speaking a missing father figure leads to a whole host of issues down the line in a child's development. The reason why we do not see female shooters much is that women do not typically Resort to violence generally speaking. Men do. So you see male shooters. With women you'll see more intrigue and psychological abuse that may ruin other people's life's in other ways that aren't as flashy and obvious and easy for the media to make a sensational report about as a shooting. Race doesn't play a role in this. Culture and socio economic status sure does tho.
That is another false flag operation. There are so many false flag operations by the USA. Most countries have false flags but the USA is extreme. Such event used to happen twice in a century. Now they are happening every month; more than 100 times as often. No intelligent and logical person believes people are that different from the past. Therefore, the only explanation is they are false flag operations by powerful people in favor of gun control. That is most likely, people high in the government that wish to disarm to disarm the public. Also, the government controls the investigations to make certain that the truth about the false flag is never revealed.
Because single parenthood unfortunately is this, the earth and leads to bad people committing crimes this is why you shouldn’t have sex you shouldn’t have children before marriage and a father figure should always be present.
and yes I would gladly raise children as a single father if the biological mother did not want to raise the children with me
I have no idea and I'm not even sure that's true, although the media definitely reports more male mass shooters. I'll leave that analysis up to the experts.
Elliot Roger had a father. The last one who shoot a bunch of people because he taught the white race was being replaced had a father.
Funny how in other countries with a lot of guns per capita, this doesn't happen. Regardless of present father or not. I am sure it has nothing to do with an inherent problem the US has with guns.
See the stats above though. yea, but we should look as to why these countries do better. course, they usually aren't melting pots with lots of lawyers, broken families and such I would guess. need some colleges to do some deep studies.
So you want to know why? Because they have background check, they have psychological exams, they for force to renew the license every so often, ask about what you do, who you have at home, what you will use it for (and just for personal safety with no proper reason is not enough). This is why!
thank you. reasonable concepts. like driving a car... good luck taking someones gun away whose nuts though... how's this... anyone who gets prescription meds... must check gun until cleared by psychiatrist. :)
Those traditional values won't help anyone. I mean at the time white men had all the power. So at least one shooting would not have occurred since the conspiracy theory of race replacement the Buffalo shooter had wouldn't exist. But is that the criteria? To satisfy the lunatics demands?
@Ihatethewill how so? expecting women to evolve is asking a lot... they are how they are for a reason. But I see active management around me to help guide our kids on better paths and especially so in traditional cultures. Certain cultures do arranged marriages to help kids avoid their hormonal errors. Those are social controls that help avoid big mistakes. Training can help.
I knew that this recent shooter wasn't White because the media wasn't mentioning race. Every time it is a White person, race is constantly brought up, but when they aren't White they don't talk about their race.
Because, in my opinion and from what I've seen, most mothers will not discipline them, and will respond to what they do using emotions to guide them rather than logic. Which is fine if there is also a father to offset that, but without the father it teaches kids from a young age that their actions don't really have bad consequences. Also there is no male in the home who genuinely cares for the growing males to show them how to properly and positively use their increasing masculinity. That just my opinion from what I've seen though.
I think you are spot on right! not all females, are same, but agree. there's something to the masculine energy needed to establish boundaries with boys.
@lightbulb27 Kids need a strong father figure to be an example. My father was not a perfect man but he was a man that had honor. He taught me that you are only as good as your word and that you had to work hard because there was no free ride. I grew up knowing how to treat people and hope that I passed it on to my own kids.
@exitseven well said and fortunate. doesn't have to be perfect, he boiled down a complex world to simple truths. can't a woman do that though... seems to be it's an energy difference in masculine vs femine, and it isn't just male/female to set boundaries... else they are left finding their own.
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