Which is better equal opportunity under the law or equal outcome under the law and why?

[Stoner710]

Equal opportunity under the law

Equal outcome under the law

[Cubus]

Liberals would say the first one

Socialists would say the second one.

[Stoner710]

Call me a liberal then even though I republicans (be fair, that is classical liberalism)

[Cubus]

In USA liberal = socialist = left.

In the rest of the world liberal = someone who is pro free market and low taxes.

To clarify

[Stoner710]

Fair I call them leftist not liberals

[Snakeyes7]

You screwed up so you get the same punishment as anyone else. Skin color, what's between your legs, what you identify as or how famous you are is irrelevant.

[Snakeyes7]

*should be irrelevant, but it's not sadly

[Dargil]

Equal opportunity lets you excel. Equity of outcome eliminates ambition and innovation.

[gorydetails]

Equal outcome is an evil philosophy which can never be obtained.

[OddBeMe]

Good Q. I would say they’re equal. Lol

[Stoner710]

So freedom and Tierney are equal?

[OddBeMe]

Teirney? I think both equal outcomes as equal standards, I guess. I see what you mean now, you’re describing a communist thing? Then yeah, def opportunity.

[Stoner710]

Pretty much, it’s a lot like the idea of equity versus the idea of an equality. Equity means equal outcome so when you hear Kamala Harris saying we need equity for everyone, that means she wants equal outcome for everyone.

[OddBeMe]

I agree with the first part, but Kamala ain’t some secret communist. That’s your Fox News brain acting up again. And I will lobotomize you.

Even if people say it wrong or misinterpret like I just did, no one is calling for communism. Period.

[Stoner710]

There’s a lot of people calling for socialism. No one has been outright communist. Even the USSR knew they weren’t communist, “United slavic socialists republic” if you’ve ever read the communist manifesto you’ll know socialism is the 2nd step and no one has taken the 3rd step aka the government stepping down and no one would take over.

They are pushing Socialism almost as Soviet style. A lot of people in the United States only know 2 things in history ww2 and America slavery. Unfortunately a lot hasn’t read Solzhenitsyn when you read Solzhenitsyn, you’ll find out the socialist we’re actually worse than a nazis. Both were socialist of course. Just shows the stupidity of Americans nowadays.

[OddBeMe]

Socialism on a basic level is anything the govt does. We have socialism here in America. And you love it: cops, fema, highways, etc…

[Stoner710]

Actually it’s not it’s the government taking over the means of production and government redistribution. I don’t like it but governments can tax their citizens that’s not socialist government can trust bust that’s not Socialism. The government is nearly breaking up a company because our company has had a negative impact on consumers like standard oil was having Teddy Roosevelt. Not everything does is socialism.

[OddBeMe]

More right wingers calling for socialism than lefties my friend. Bank bailouts, the military budget, tax cuts for billionaires. That’s all right wing socialism.

[Stoner710]

You know, I figured that was the case in which case yeah, fuck the ones are calling for social of them I would rather commit sepuku then live under socialism. He knows I never imagined people like Asa Hutchinson. Fuck him. Give me Trump DeSantis, or a Ramaswami (frankly, I wish Ramaswamy had a chance in this race or abolish the Department of Education abolish the department of nuclear energy, a boss, Epa the FDA and CDC. And if you vote against him, you hate Indians Americans because you are racist (i’m joking, but that’s left wing game) according to the left-wing game if you do not support and vote for Vivek Ramaswamy swami you hate Indian Americans whose parents immigrate to this country. Or you can find me on the right side of the aisle and I will get the Vivek elected

[OddBeMe]

Why abolish the dept of education or energy or epa? How did that become a right wing thing?

[Stoner710]

10th amendment man, pretty much everything the federal government is doing right now is unconstitutional. Not only that the department of education has been failing us for about 20 years now especially when it comes to the teachers unions. EPA is unconstitutional at the federal level it hurts business hurts economic recovery when we need it and make it harder for the little guy to start his business. Like zoning laws in seattle has made it harder to build new places for people to live so what happens prices skyrocket they try rent control and everyone leaves the city. The department of energy actually reduces innovation to come up with new technologies for how to power cars. If you don’t want to be giving all your money to China for their lithium for your batteries that you want in your electric cars you have to allow mining in the United States that we can’t do that due to environmental regulation. Regulations hurts and kills business. There would be less billionaires if there was less regulation