How do drag shows harm kids, as Republicans allege?

[msc545]

They harm kids

They don't harm kids

I don't know if they harm kids or not

I don't care if they do harm - I don't like them

[razelove]

I don't think a drag show can harm a kid, it's that they are diametrically opposed to christian ideology. The vast majority there did not care about drag shows, pride month, or how others wanted to express themselves there until the issue of certain areas indoctrinating kids in school with different beliefs came out, as well as the fight for children being prescribed hormones, or surgery.

Put more simply, the amount of people seeking to be trans has been increasing, as the group has become younger. It isn't a problem in my view as long as it is a decision only adults can make.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7906237/

When you're going through puberty some people will find they're straight, gay, or do not fit neatly into a box. With orientation you aren't making any irreversible decisions. I went to gay clubs in the french quarter when I was under 18 since they didn't ID, and it didn't do me any harm. During a very confusing time to experiment with your sexual identity with say chemical castration (puberty blockers) is an irreversible decision, or a woman taking testosterone that will live with male secondary sex characteristics like a deep voice for the rest of her life.

Conversely I don't understand why there would be desire for kids to go to adult events as an external push. If they have that desire they'll seek it out. If they do not simply let them be kids a while longer.

[goaded]

I think you're right that it's Christian ideology that's driving it, but I take issue with this part of your comment: "the fight for children being prescribed hormones, or surgery".

There was no fight, until the right picked one. There were doctors and parents trying to do their best for the children in their care. Now, they have to fight for the right to do so.

I think the question is trying to point out that the government should demonstrate harm before interfering, not just assert it.

[razelove]

Well the ideology of the right is more to keep things the same. You could best sum it up as "leave me alone". The big exception to that has been war, and censorship. There has been a reversal of the censorship with social media, and an exception to war with Ukraine, social media represents a pattern, but I don't think one war does.

Anyway, the left does push new ideologies, especially for under represented or repressed groups of people. Trans surgery and hormone therapy is nothing new. The idea of pushing it to youth is not either, though the studies outside of the Netherlands until 2007 all showed it to be more damaging than helpful.

Massively pushing hormones and surgery onto youth in such a short period of time is dangerous. The only possible upside would be money. Anyway, these fights don't heat up without fuel. We all get played, left and right. Remember "follow the science"?

[goaded]

They're not leaving trans people alone. They didn't leave gay people alone (except when it came to the AIDS epidemic, when their suffering was ignored). They didn't leave black people alone. It's purely "leave *us* alone", not "leave people alone".

Can I assume that studies in the Netherlands disagreed? There's been 15 years study since then, and hormone therapy was mostly sold to menopausal women, a vastly larger market than trans women.

What do you mean by "Remember "follow the science"?"?

Don't forget that science is intended to change with more information.

[razelove]

@goaded Follow the science was a jab at how much that was a tag-line for lock-downs and mandates until masks were shown to do nothing except possibly cause harm by becoming a reservoir, as well as the politicization of research publication during covid, especially primate and human research and the funding there.

That was more of an authoritarian move than specifically from the left or right, but I view any meddling in my life the same. Point being you never hear someone saying follow the science anymore. Most of the studies found damage to the patient, or no difference in outcome. In the Netherlands the study was more based on follow through, those who may regret the decision, nothing else. That one was redone, and shows that less people regret now, as it does not require your junk to get cut off anymore to get your gender reassigned.

[goaded]

"masks were shown to do nothing" But they weren't. OK, single layer cloth masks worn for hours on end are pretty useless, but N95/FFP2 masks, available for less than a dollar each sure as hell aren't.

You get the occasional nutcase pointing out that the Cochrane foundation couldn't find any gold standard randomised controlled trials proving that they work, but that's obviously because it would be amazingly unethical to ask, say, surgeons not to wear masks 50% of the time and see who gets an infection. The value of masks in hospitals has been known for a century.

Aren't you saying treatment for trans people has improved immensely over time, but this is the time the right has decided politicians should step in and prevent it?

[msc545]

@goaded Thank you - that is precisely the reason for this question.

[razelove]

@goaded Masks are effective at preventing you from spreading a disease during a brief encounter, but worthless at preventing anything from coming in, except maybe particulates in an industrial setting. Even then the effectiveness drops drastically over time. Everything I've used over the years short of a gas-mask gets compromised including respirators. Even a gas mask has to come off once a day and get compromised as you need to shave to keep a seal.

Whether it's legal or clinical, sure, treatment of trans people has gone up over the years. It doesn't mean I have to support them though. They're a statistically insignificant portion of the population that is getting a disproportionate amount of attention.

[goaded]

Even one person, as one 7 billionth of the population deserves respect. The estimated proportion of trans people is over 1%, about the same as red-heads, who have just as much choice in the matter.

You're not walking around in a cloud of mustard gas, you're wearing a mask where it's not possible to socially distance. They work, both to protect others from you and you from others. Not that they're as necessary since the vaccines became available.

Do you really think that requiring people to protect each other is worse than stopping people from getting the best known medical treatment?

[razelove]

@goaded Yes, the key word there being require. It isn't illegal to be a transvestite or transexual, manifest that destiny. I don't care that it's tax deductible, as most people won't go over the standard deduction regardless.
My use of masks before covid typically was for hazardous and possibly deadly chemicals, so that is the standard I hold them to. If they don't work, they don't work. I never wore them around chlorine tanks for that reason. I'd be dead by the time I got into the PPE.
No lie, I was worried about covid at first, then when people weren't piling up like Spanish flu, I only wore them to hospitals and stuff when they would kick me and mine out without them. Really I was more worried about canned goods and ammo...

[lightbulb27]

I went to a drag show once with my wife. It's really disgusting. If it was adults dressing up and having fun, it be one thing. But it's not. I wouldn't take kids to see one from what I saw.

Kids are impressionable and emotions can be projected onto them. It creates ideas that others don't agree with it being ok.

I have as big problem with most TV and music, which is repeated more. It's garbage... parents should turn it all off.

[msc545]

I get that you don't like drag shows. How do they harm kids?

[lightbulb27]

What I saw could harm kids in sveral ways:
* Creating a false idea of male/female appropriateness
* Emotions can be projected onto children. Those whom are more sensitive (e. g. highly sensitive people), can pickup others energy and thus may gravitate towards such behavior. I see this with our teen that is very impressionable... example... other kids go "I'm bi". She starts thinking "she's bi". Kids are learning and trying, it creates a "new idea" in their head, even if it isn't right. Another example is Columbine. That created a new idea to shoot up a school and many followed after. It's now a reality and many have paid.
* They may be picked on or made fun of by other kids, e. g. bullying, no fault of their own if it wasn't their idea to go in the first place.
* What I saw was an edgey sex show. This may distort a childs idea of whom they are and right/wrong, certain in reference to the parents beliefs. That raises the question... why are they at the show in the first place.

Rocky Horror Picture show is another example. That to me... is a drag show, but had some kind of a movie rating that limit the audience.

If a person doesn't think anything impacts children, then do away with the movie rating's.. We don't need PG13 or XXX, "it's all the same". Kids can just watch whatever. How stupid is that?

Kids are developing and they need to be protected from that which will warp their view of themselves, harm their sense of security, etc.. The Erickson Clark stages of development. At certain ages they are have enough self esteem and image they can handle such imposition and can resist "warping" them.

[msc545]

What exactly does creating a false idea of male female appropriateness actually mean?

[msc545]

What does emotions can be projected on to children actually mean what is the mechanism of projection and who operates the projector? Where is the projector located? What is the motive for projecting anything onto anyone?

[lightbulb27]

Male/female appropriateness - There are roles and behaviors that people whom live by traditional standards wish to limit in their childrens minds. This is true whether it's muslim, jew, christian, who knows what beliefs. They don't want their kids seeing this, so they limit it. The clash is that "public" has turned into "everything goes and diversity of everything"; It used to be based upon Judea Christian values which limited what was "ok". Jewish solve this by staying in their communities. Humans are programmable... so they want to stick with what they believe is appropriate programming for male/female behavior, established over centuries.

[lightbulb27]

Given your question I think there's another world of understanding of humanity that you aren't seeing and might open up opportunities for you to help your patients. I suspect your education and beliefs has limited your views too much. If Einstein believed his teachers, would have not come up with fresh ideas to address problems.
When I discovered "Christ" and learned about myself and others in the school of hard knocks, I developed views of how people work. I was not trained in schooled psychological principals, but in understanding myself. I've met others whom think and see it the same, but it's not the main stream. Main stream has excluded the core of the human being, like medical system to some extend, and threw out "religion". That is core... as it maps to essence of whom we are... which physics is researching.
Short answer: Humans are energy systems and generators and children are programmable. You are familiar with sub conscious mind... that mind is programmed... whatever is emotionally meaningful, and especially repeated... gets stored and interpreted by the child based upon their personality. I don't have a formula for all that. Different personaliteis translate things different and thus impacts differently. Ex. female friend of mine was left alone as a child... so she has deep fears which as an adult propagates into her relationships and is causing all sorts of damage. She knows the issue, she avoids dealing with it... it's hard. It's trashing her life and others. Another child that was more independent, e. g. my wife is like this, took it as an opportunity and made it fun adventure. Different translations by the child.

[lightbulb27]

So emotional power by another, be it adult or stronger person can project onto a weaker person... either more sensitive personality (readup on highly sensitive person idea) or someone whom is vulnerable. Such emotions can influence that kid and subconsciously influence the decisions in their lives. I experienced this. Relationships... where one gets intimate physically/emotionally with another is where such "trainings" re-surface. Thus one of the values of relationships... is to exposue deeper rooted issues, so they can be dealt with so we resolve back to our roots... which is we just want to be loved, secure, trust, etc..

[msc545]

Sorry, but you seem to be all over the place here, or I am not understanding this properly. Or both. You said, " Humans are energy systems and generators and children are programmable." Where exactly did or do you get these assertions?

[lightbulb27]

Where is the projector: Not positive, but I'd say it is the emotional heart (which is the heart and body controlled by the mind)... e. g. call that "spirit". Have you seen someone whom is emotionally evil... they are projecting from inside their wounded hearts, can't see it. People give what they have... drawing from emotions recorded and when it's pain (negative emotional energies = shame, fear, malice, envy, greed, hate, murder, strife, jealousy, etc..) then that gets projected. If the other is not able to afront it, they get impacted.
What is the motive? I think people just wnat to give what they have inside. If they have sadness, despair, they give that to others. There's hormones driving emotional (sub conscious) circuitry.
That circuitry is screwed up and negative instead of positive, or homrones or drugs influencing, then the give malice to others.
The Bible to me is SPOT ON correct. All they (authors) did was figure out how humans work, convey a solution to address the core problems humans face, and document it. I see the truth in it. Don't get lost in all the gook of it, it's a quagmire. The heart of the issue... is well addressed.
Love peace joy, happiness, faithfulness, self control, etc.. Thats what people really want. Love is what provides security to grow and confidence to reach out.
Hopefully, that addresses some of it. The problem I've had with examination of psychology I've seen... it ignores most of this... that makes no sense to me why?

[lightbulb27]

There's a book/video I found interesting in understanding "How emotions are made" by a researcher (https://www. youtube. com/watch? v=KliAI9umFyY&t=2048s) . Some good learnings there you probably already know that would reinforce the above. We don't see what is there... we see what is a projection from inside. That is a though we'll worth meditating on. If that is the case, the inner state of the being is critical to the interpretation of what one sees.
To me... all this loops back to the big picture of "the universe", where we come from, the physics of how it all works, God, etc..
Humans without a doubt are emotional beings... that's where the healing is... if you've got a viable solution. It's hard though... people don't want to change. Thus the system uses artificial drugs to alter the mind... terrible idea for most. The human body will create all the right chemicals it needs, when the right thoughts are in place. I realized this when I thought about htis scenario...

[lightbulb27]

A guy is driving down LA Boulevard and he's sad, feels bad. The all the sudden, he sees gorgeous woman, dressed to the nines... and she smiles at him!!! All the sudden, he feels a rush of feelings he hadn't felt since high school, and he feels amazing!!
Natural Drugs coming from within!! He doesn't need an injection. We are rewarded when we do the right things, and we feel it.
But if the dudes emotions are coming from some terrible self esteem and such, his brain may make even worse chemicals or stay sad.
the mind is an amazing CPU ain't it!!
For what it's worth... for your benefit, do with it what you will...

[lightbulb27]

Programmable /energy - out of my mind. Seems obvious to me... does science need to ascertain that?

[lightbulb27]

Generator may be imprecise word and confusing. I'm saying we are a nuclear power plant. We are definitely energy systems (electrical/chemical). Physics- all matter is light... correct? Bible - you are made of light! same to me. Energy. Physics - no matter goes away, just transformed.
When we are alive, we are emitting light... you've seen a pregnant woman, or a joyful person right? We are communicating/projecting from our sub conscious mind and energy. Ex: a woman may see a guy at a bar and describe him as "creepy". She is communicating what she perceives of his sub conscious projection in expression and "energy"... in how I view it.

[potahto11]

They don’t harm kids, because they are literally just people dressing up in costumes, like in Disneyland or whatever. Republicans say that drag shows are ‘sexually motivated,’ but can someone please explain how, exactly, they are sexually motivated? Kids don’t care about gender or identity, stop politicizing childhood. I understand how the right may associate drag with ‘gayness’ or ‘strip clubs’ or whatever, but as long as the drag performer isn’t doing anything inappropriate in front of a child, then I think that it doesn’t at all harm children.

[DizzyDesii]

Im not rep nor dem. I dont think it harms a child physically. But i certainly dont see it as a good influence on a kid. It Would likely confuse them. And i also think crossdressing is odd af and wouldn't want the kid thinking thats the norm. I think its odd if a dad even dresses up like a princess to have tea with his daughter. I’d understand if he dressed as a king to have tea with his princess. Thats just my opinion tho 🤷‍♀️

[msc545]

How would it be a bad influence and why?

[DizzyDesii]

I get that you probably want further insight but i feel its self explanatory. For anyone who doesn't understand, thats on them. But i feel what I said is well comprehended and people just look to debate. So i’ll leave it at that

[msc545]

If it was self-explanatory I would not be asking you. You said it, please explain it if you can.

[OlderAndWiser]

I can't answer that question in an authoritative way, but there are many things for which our culture assumes harm without having proof that it would cause actual harm in every case. There are some types of harm for which you don't want to conduct controlled experiments, especially when concerned with the welfare of children.

[OlderAndWiser]

It is a step down the slippery slope and then you get events like this being billed as "family friendly."

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[Emelina]

This world has gone down ever since technology was introduced to our kids education systems. Kids aren't kids they will become adults when just starting kindergarten... this generation is hurting our kids, there's no more parents input about what is good or bad for our kids education. Drag or not its going to be the school system wether we like it or not. My own opinion

[msc545]

"down" how?

[Daniela1982]

Kids get on social media where they can be bullied. That can lead to someone committing suicide, which kids have done when bullied and made a laughing stock in school. If you don't call that down I don't know what to tell you.

[richardcory]

In ancient Greece, sex with children was considered normal

Back in the Napoleonic wars (~1800) children as young as 6 (but more often around 12) were viewed as very lucky to get a position as a cabin boy on a warship. The younger children would carry bags of gun powder up from the hold to the gun decks during battle.

In the victorian era children would work deep in mines, in horribly dangerous conditions - minimal light and often poison gas.

In the late 20th century children were brought up believing nuclear war was all but inevitable.

All things considered, I think we are doing pretty well for our children by comparison.

[msc545]

@Daniela1982 If your solution is to get kids to not use social media I think that is hopeless. If you think that "technology" should be banned that too is hopeless. What exactly are you suggesting here?

[BoopBoopBeep]

It has no academic value and our children are imbeciles. That's why I don't want drag shows in schools. Do it at the Y and invite all the kids you want, I don't care. I have to have tax dollars seized for Department of Education's consistent failings. Let's at least pretend the time they're there is to make them less imbecilic.

[msc545]

I agree it has no academic value and does not belong in school. How about entertainment value outside school?

[BoopBoopBeep]

I'm real "you do you" if a) it's not criminal and b) I don't have to pay for it.

I'd also say there's probably varying degrees of raunchiness associated. I've only seen commercials for some rupaul show so i'm likely not well-versed in this, but we have a movie rating system. Kids can see this movie but not that movie. I don't think kids need to be seeing some 400lb wildebeest in a thong grinding on a My Little Pony furry while Funky Cold Medina plays in the background or lip synching to right said fred's "I"m too sexy" If the kid can't go see it at the cinemark why can he see it in third grade? Just seems inconsistent with our alleged priorities.

[potahto11]

Most drag performers say themselves that they would never do anything sexual in front of a child, so that renders your point of “400lb wildebeest in a thong grinding on a My Little Pony furry while Funky Cold Medina plays in the background” pretty inaccurate. If you doubt, you can Google it and read for yourself interviews taken of drag queens. If you ever go to a drag queen story hour, you’ll see that it is completely child-appropriate

[BoopBoopBeep]

@potahto11
Respectfully, I didn't say "I think they SHOULDN'T BE CONTINUING some 400lb wildebeest in a thong grinding on a My Little Pony furry while Funky Cold Medina plays in the background or lip synching to right said fred's "I"m too sexy"

I said

"I don't think kids need to be seeing some 400lb wildebeest in a thong grinding on a My Little Pony furry while Funky Cold Medina plays in the background or lip synching to right said fred's "I"m too sexy"

I don't think they should see that. If that has never happened in this history of mankind it would render my statement moot, not inaccurate. A conditional statement by default cannot be inaccurate unless it is phrased in a way that cannot be realized. It may be moot. I admitted that with the qualifier of "I'm not well-versed in this"... so it seems much of your comment is something of a nothing sandwich.

Also, just fun fact. I don't doubt it, because I don't care enough to believe/doubt any of it. Flamboyant people irritate me and I don't even like children so I'm quite certain I'll never be at a drag queen story hour.

[BoopBoopBeep]

Tried to answer your pedo questoin. Seems like you blocked me? Testing here.

[msc545]

I didn't block you...

[BoopBoopBeep]

Weird... must have been the asker... but i thought that just meant my answer doesn't show up to them. F em. Glad you're still here bro!

[msc545]

Thanks - you too!

[strateguy632]

the same as "can't send missionary to minors" to sway, equally can't make "agenda that claiming i am drag or gay is cool" and desirable. the harm is they will try to be cool regardless.

[msc545]

I have no idea what the hell you are talking about here.

[stepyo99]

Drag shows are sexual deviancy in the first place. Putting it on for kids is sexual abuse of minors. The real question is why are you so obsessed with sexualizing children?

[goaded]

They don't. There always used to be adult jokes included in shows for children that only the adults would notice; they just go over children's heads.

[BrookeAZ90]

If the kid's parents are ok with it, who is anyone else to complain what other people's kids see?

[FunkyMonkee]

Well, you'd HAVE to have at least SOME morality to understand!

[gothbxtch]

they don’t. republicans are just evil

[Goodvibes2]

depends on the kid