Did you know that the entire territory of Islamic Turkey was stolen from Greeks and Armenians, both of whom are Christian, & Turks come from Mongolia?

[Anonymous]

Turks are not indigenous to the land they currently are squatting on.

Yes, I knew that

No, I didn't know that

[NamerOfStars]

Insofar as the Turks are descended from the Hittites, they're not from anywhere NEAR Mongolia, and are in fact the people who the Greeks (and Romans before them) stole Anatolia from in the first place, the Greeks have no right to complain. If conquest is valid, they lost fair and square. If it's not, they have less right to the land than the Turks do. Try another line of reasoning.

Also, humans are indigenous to East Africa. The Turks are no exception.

[Asker]

Hittites no longer exist. Greeks and Armenians do.

[NamerOfStars]

So do Turks- and as the descendants of the land's "rightful" owners, it belongs to them. As conquerors of the land, it belongs to them. What right do the Greeks have to claim it beyond "we want it" that the Turks don't?

[OneManOnly01]

That's a dumb excuse. Something that was done in the long past shouldn't be done today. The Yamnayas killed and mass raped Europeans 5000 years ago but that doesn't mean something similar done to a population say 400 years ago is justified. Humans have came very far in the time in between.

[NamerOfStars]

@OneManOnly01 It's not an excuse, it's a rebuttal. The only claim the Greeks have on the land is that they took it by force from the people who lived there. If the Turks then come around and do the same, why is that any less valid?

[OneManOnly01]

Why don't humans still kill everyone and steal their wives and rape them? Because these are modern times. The more recent something like this was done, the more wrong it is..

[NamerOfStars]

@OneManOnly01 That doesn't make any sense. Morality may change based on CIRCUMSTANCE, but not merely on the passage of time. Starving today is no different from starving six thousand years ago.

[Asker]

The ancestors of Turks come from Central Asia. This has been genetically proven. Islam is alien to civilization.

[NamerOfStars]

The ancestors of the Turks come from all over; look at where Anatolia IS. It was a very cosmopolitan place under the Greeks and Romans, too. The Turks aren't EXCLUSIVELY Hittite-descended, but they are the biggest group.

Your religion-bashing doesn't change genetics.

[OneManOnly01]

@NamerOfStars You know what? You have absolutely no idea what you're talking about. Turks are no more related to Anatolians than the Iranians or Greeks or many other groups are. The only relation between Turks and Hitties is that Turks have Anatolian Neolithic Farmer autosomal ancestry but that ancestry is also found in Greeks.

And it is very silly to compare something done in the common era with something done in prehistoric times. Humans used to mass rape each other in prehistoric so does that mean it's fair if you rape people today? What kind of obscene logic is that?

Your logic of "they conquered that place so it's fair if someone else reconquered their place" is far from logical.

[OneManOnly01]

@NamerOfStars What a terrible example. Starving is not an example of morality but human biology. If someone intentionally starves someone else however then yes. People used to starve each other in prehistoric times but that doesn't make it valid for you to do it today. The more recent such atrocities were committed, the more wrong and immoral they are.

[7vices]

Have you ever heard the tale of the Americas?
Have you ever heard about the Romans, the Huns, the Chinese?
Do you have the slightest idea how often Europe's internal borders shifted in the last 1000 years?

[gorydetails]

Didn’t know, don’t care.