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Trending & News As I understand it, the income level of any given sportsman/woman is proportionate to how much money they earn for their employer, which in turn is based upon their popularity. If women's "soccer" (i. e. football) isn't as popular as the men's equivalent, then it's only fair they aren't given an equal salary.
When it comes to sports like football (or "soccer"), men are just naturally better at it. Women make better swimmers, men are stronger and faster, and therefore make better weightlifters, runners and "soccer"-players. Their incomes will reflect these facts.
that seems logical yeah.
This would probably be the best way to explain it.
@molonski2 what sports are women better att then men?
@zero444440000 , Id say certainly Netball , men dont really play it.
There must be some others , let me think.
@molonski2 i be awaiting your answers ones you have hade your time thinking.
@zero444440000 kop khun krub :)
@molonski2 np:)
think it like supply and demand. There isn’t a demand for women’s sports as there is in men and because of that, less profits. Can’t pay someone 6 figures when the company isn’t bringing in demands to support it.
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Probably and I think it was a beat up issue in the US so maybe it is not any longer.
As to whether it ought to earn the same that is a different question.
It would be extraordinarily foolish to argue that all sports people should be paid the same regardless of the sport's popularity and the ability of the individual sports person. Should the top cricketer be paid the same as the top baseball player in the US when nobody goes to cricket matches. Or the inverse in Australia?
That is clearly a nonsense. More popular sports are going to be paid better than fringe sports and will broadly correlate to gate receipts.
It is clearly equally a nonsense to expect men and women's version of a sport to be paid equally when attendance isn't the same. In some sports, the female version is more popular like beach volleyball.
OK we know why, but men's beach volleyball teams have to suck it up that only their girlfriends will be watching their game and even then the gfs will be chatting with each other and not actually watching the game. Meanwhile the women's volleyball stadium is packed out. Men simply can't expect equal payment in beach volleyball.
last men's world cup brought up 6 billion dollars in profit...
last women's world cup was the first tournament in which they sold the rights and attempted to make a profit, the revenue was negative... minus 100 million dollars
so, maybe that's why the pool prize is a bit bigger on the man's side, since they actually earn more income
if women want to earn more money as a tournament, they should just play it in the USA... then the hosting would cost a lot less, and the profits would on the positive numbers
wait why they not playing in the usa?
@zero444440000 it's a world wide competition... so the organizers host such world cup in several countries around the world... and this time it was just the turn for the Down Under to be the host
ah i understand, thank you for explaining it to me.
@zero444440000 most welcome
Who cares... If your sport drives major interest and that draws big advertising dollars and merchandise purchases then you can command higher salaries. It doesn't matter what the sport is or what the sex, race, or religion of the players are. Men's basketball draws more of a crowd than men's curling... They are all athletes and men, but they make different salaries because of the demand for the product. It's all about the profit. If you produce the cash flow then you make more money. If they don't pay you, then you walk away from the job and they lose all the revenue with a lack of crowd drawing players. The bigger the revenue, the harder it is for them to refuse your demands. They less you produce, the less power you have to make demands. So the point is, if you want more, you have to produce more. It's your responsibility as a player. It's not about if you have a penis or a vagina...
Whether you agree or not. It's never going to change. Because men are physically more gifted than women. And because of that, they are more durable, faster, jump higher. In OTHER WORDS, THEY CAN GIVE US MORE OF A SHOW AND DISPLAY OF SKILL THAN WOMEN EVER WILL.. So men are more popular, we want to see the men!
true men are physically stronger then women, but women are gifted with the power of MLIK and the ability to give birth to life to compensate, this gift of women of course does nothing for them in soccer.
@KingOfMe1 nice take, does that mean you have seen women out skill there men counterparts?
Women's football just isn't that good. It's plain facts.
Sure, it will rise to prominence eventually, and the marketing potential is massive. But it's just stupid to expect women to be paid more than men, when the crowds and market just isn't there yet.
It would be like spending a billion dollars to open a shopping mall, when there are only a few hundred customers.
wait why isn't Women's football that good?
@zero444440000 Not that much competition, and the play isn't top standards. But it's only been around for professionally a decade, where the men's game is a century.
yeah that is a fair point.
Look at the Women's World Cup currently taking place versus last year's Men's World Cup. How many people attended in person and watched on TV? That's the economics that determines how much money each should make. Women's soccer has come a long way, but it's not yet equal to the Men.
why don't more people "both men and women" attended and watch women soccer on tv as much as men soccer? thought we all were for girl power?
Yes but there is less money in women's soccer. Watching the women's world cup recently its not hard to see why. Womens soccer like women's basketball is almost completey dependant on the revenue brought in by the men's teams.
They now make the same. But since I have taken my daughter to a woman soccer game I see why. The seats are cheaper, and they don't sell out the staduim. Maybe more women should start backing women sports and start actually spend their money to see women play sports. But most will complain it isn't fair, and never go to a game.
When it first was being talked about , I also looked up the percentage, and they did get more a high percent. But the real truth is women don't go to see these sports the way men do.
why do better when complaining is so much easier is an all too commen mindset.
There is no agreeing or disagreeing, you can just look up the salaries and compare them.
Women, even those who are part of the national team, don't earn enough to quit their regular job, even in germany where fussball is the biggest sport.
I have no idea which earns less first. Who really cares? Maybe if people were more interested in watching women's sports, they'd EARN more money!
which begs the question, why aren't more people interested in watching women's sports?
@zero444440000 Maybe because it's not as exciting. Maybe if they played topless...
Yeah but, YOU would join up in a heartbeat! ;;-)
brrr i so watch it then.
Are you asking: Do I believe they are earning less, or Do I believe they should be earning less?
Do they draw as large a crowed as men and do the fans pay as much to watch women as they do men? If so they should be paid the same. Follow the money!
Yes, Women sports aren't as entertaining as men's there for more people attended men sports so they can raise the price on tickets.
why aren't Women sports as entertaining?
@zero444440000 Cause men are physically faster, stronger then women.
yeah fair and understandable.
I think money derived from sports, should be divided equally among the male and female sports teams.
That way it funds just the sport, allowing the athletes to focus on becoming the best they can be.
Of course. When one entertainment area is less popular that another then of course it's going to pay it's workers less, since they earned them less.
As they should , its not about the game , so few people give a remote flying , its all about numbers , on results women are actually paid far too much.
I had this discussion with Lemia the other day, the level gap between Men and Women is diffrent. The women's game recently saw a wave of poplaurity.
Yes, they do. Just like male pro basketball players earn way more than women. There’s a reason for that.
Do you want women soccer players and basketball players to get paid more? Then watch the games.
its that simply, want more of something then you better show that you and others have a demand for and are willing to pay for it.
@zero444440000 Correct. People will whine, complain and bitch about female athletes not getting paid enough. And then they'll turn around and watch my 600 pound life and kardashians.
Where do you think the money comes from to pay athletes? Apparently people don't know this so it needs to be said: from the revenue that women's sports generates. If you're not watching, they're not getting paid. And guess what - the proof is in the numbers. Nobody watches women's sports.
"Where do you think the money comes from to pay athletes?" the magic genie who gives everyone there pay? I don't know people don't seem to understand how economics work.
@zero444440000 Correct. A large portion of the country doesn't understand how economics work.
I assume that you can look up the salaries, yourself. You don’t me to agree upon the facts. You need a credible source.
OK, I see that is easier to find stats for individual salaries in women’s soccer leagues than it it to find team payrolls. (It seems much simpler to find men’s soccer teams’ payroll data.) Extrapolating from what I found in a quick search, though, I agree that women’s soccer teams seem to spend less (in absolute terms) on salaries than men’s teams.
It's a well known and fully documented fact that they are.
Male Players are payed more due the exposer in the public they had since its inception and every minute is under the mircoscope, when teams like Portugal etc fail its heavily broadcasted while womens recently being in the spotlight
here's what a quick google search pulls up. And yup men do still earn way more than women when it comes to professional soccer
Probably so. I don't follow soccer, but women's athletics usually earn less than men's.
That's a factual question - they DO earn less than men. The MHO is correct. If you don't have sponsors, viewers, demand and demand for marketed goods, you can only pay so much.
They do earn less because the generate less income. If they were paid what they claim they are worth there would be no women's soccer.
where do you see these arrogant entitled women whining about this?
Yes, just look at the difference in the amount of spectators at the matches and it's obvious why.
Women soccer earns more % of what they make their Employer earn...
So in ratio analysis, they are highly paid.
"Women soccer earns more % of what they make their Employer earn..." they do? why?
@zero444440000 it's fair.. A player need a minimum amount..
They’re paid with respect to what the matches earn. Percentage wise it’s similar.
wait what? how and why?
@zero444440000
What what?
am asking kelly how and why percentage wise women team are paid more.
@zero444440000
Political pressure.
makes sense.
Yeah because no one watches women's soccer. Its boring and i don't hear the feminists tellinf other women to watch. Instead they bitch at men as if it's our fault
they show lady sports but the rating...
that is something that has always bothered me, that they always leave it up to men to lift women up and not up to women to lift themselves up, like men have been doing for themselves.
Yes, just like female models earning more than male ones. Generate more money and have more leverage to get paid more.
The women's team earns less in total, but more in proportion to total earnings
No, because they play shit so they get pay shit comparing whit mens.
brrr they play like shit? in what way?
@zero444440000 poor driblings, lag of power, stamina, coordination.
There are some friendly game girls vs mens in footballs and the mens don't even need to force themself to score literaly a perfect 10
brrrr that doesn't sound good.
@zero444440000 how it can be whit 0-10 lose
I mean factually they do, the question is should they, well the argument is strong for yes they should, they do not generate as much revenue so should earn accordingly
All depends on the women players and if they're sponsored by many brands and organizations.
that is very ture.
No for a start there is no such sport as soccer
Of course they should. Their sport isn’t as popular, it doesn’t bring in as much money.
one would think women playing sports would be very popular, odd that it isn't here.
@zero444440000 They're not as athletic as the men. Plus why would I give a shit about a US women's soccer team who has players that openly hate the country they supposedly represent?
wait they hate there own country? why and for what reason?
@zero444440000 They hate the US because they are leftist twats.
www.dailymail.co.uk/.../...World-Cup-Portugal.html
bleacherreport.com/.../2663982-megan-rapinoe-kneels-during-national-anthem-before-usa-vs-thailand
got it.
no. why would i believe something that has no statistics to back it up?
It's a fact that they do, but it's all down to income from the sport imho,,,
Technically they do. Because they bring in much less money.
Yeah, capitalism is the best system we found so far and if they don't earn the same, why should they get the same?
what... grammar is this?
It's really not an opinion thing, they earn less.
Never played men or women’s soccer. So I have nothing to compare. Only hear say.
No, I think it's terrible. There should be pay equality in all athletics.
isn't the reason women's soccer earn less is that they aren't as popular as mens soccer is?
@zero444440000 it's possible. I bet TV revenue/contracts have a lot to do with it.
No, and in US the women's soccer team is way better than men's team.
why do you think the women's team is better then the men's in the US?
Yes, because people watch men's soccer.
thats some hard facts right there.
Yes we always do
how many women watch's women's soccer? do as many women watch it as men watch men's soccer?
@zero444440000
So don't care I watch NASCAR
what do you like about NASCAR so much?
It's what the market will bear.
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Yes, because less people watch it
why do less people watch it?
Being brutally honest, it's less entertaining compared to men's
It lacks the charisma and energy
Also equivalent to watching high school boys football , cause we have seen videos of high school boys beat pro women's team
that begs the question. why does it lack charisma and energy?
also did not know high school boys could beat pro women teams, neat to know.
Again being brutally honest, it lacks things because women soccer team don't perform physically anywhere as near as men's
Again, that's because women professional are maybe just as good as male amatuer players or maybe less
I've seen a lot of videos of men vs women football
One thay had high school team beat pro team, another had a team of 45+ year old men beat pro women and another one with one Pro male take on a whole women's team and score a goal very easily
that explains it. thank you for the insightfull reply.
Oh, glad I was of help!
That's what it seems like
Well yes, because its true.
they are getting there
I don't want to guess, so I don't know 😮
I don't know but it wouldn't surprise me at all.
That is all changing now.
it is? how?
In terms of revenue, it's a fraction of the men's.
Agreed
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