Are the Chinese afraid to sell their Mighty Dragon to Russia because they fear it being exposed as inferior to western fighters?

[Drewtate]

I mean the F22 has been around 33 years and actually beat out a 2nd very capable fighter stealth fighter so the J-20 is actually 30 years out of date. The US also has the F35 flying around and it beat out another very capable Stealth fighter the X32. Currently the US is about to introduce its new Stealth fighter that will blow away anything the Chinese or Russian's have. Chinese aircraft technology is largely copied from the US aircraft designed in the 70s and Russian license built equipment. With Russian failure in Ukraine countries are not looking to buy Russian aircraft with countries like India realising their airforce are inferior due to Russian aircraft are buying French Raffales and US equipment.

Yes

No

[Alexandrubaschet08]

China is like a rattlesnake right now. Venomous, dangerous, lethal at this moment the china only hisses and moves deceptively.
But in the end, the West knows that this snake will bite someone, and that someone will be its victim that it will consider weaker and safer to devour. (Russia or Europe).
The USA is out of the discussion, it is too advanced, militarized and strategically protected. It is like a bison to a snake, impossible to swallow without breaking its mouth.

[Drewtate]

Probably Russia. The Chinese are still eyeing territory taken from China over 100 years ago and some even consider siberia as Chinese territory

[Alexandrubaschet08]

Siberia is 100% not Chines and yes China had lose teritorys to russia and still want them back, same like East Europe NATO or non NATO.
But if Europe will get out bad from this Second Cold War they can cut the 90% trade hit Europe and then they win way more in economy by controling Europe and the "Silk Road" and the trade on wather.
But Siberia should be free and countrys should be born from it because there are living many nations that doesn't even talk russian as mother language. There are over 200 nations in today Russia.
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This is my idea of limit of a true democratic China who respect the human rights.

[Drewtate]

Not really. China has actually nothing Europe needs. It produces cheap consumer goods which are cheap solely because China has huge amounts of cheap labor but industry is becoming more and more automated meaning less labor is needed and India is looking to replace China in terms of trade. The European Union is perhaps the largest economy in the world and that is with as a whole some of the highest living standards, education, wages and health care.
The new silk road is all about securing resources the Chinese economy needs as they fear sanctions and trade blockades.

[Alexandrubaschet08]

China have evrething that Europe need and China depand 100% on trade because of that.
If China is put under the sanction and blokade, it will be suicidel for EU whit no other divers trade parteners.
Today EU try to become more ecological to get rilavate of Russia gas and oil and to look for other parteners and more divers ones for better economic security, that why India may grow in the future and for EU we can finde who know who other parteners for what we need.

[Drewtate]

What Europe needs is cheap energy ie gas and oil, that's the middle east and US. The EU is a major manufacturer and exporter of food.

[Alexandrubaschet08]

There are no pipe lines from Midle East to Europe. Thous gass and oils come by sea transport. To slow for Europe and more expensive then Russia one. Europe import a lot of prpject from china for infrastructur, clothes, toys etc. Evrething is made in China and this is bad for EU.

[Drewtate]

Currently no but there are proposals to do so one of which was supposed to run through Syria but Assad said no because the Russians didn't want it undercutting their pipelines and thus America tried to oust Assad. There are pipelines being built. Anything made in China isn't essential to the European economy and with the next wave of automation coming will be cheap to make in Europe

[Alexandrubaschet08]

I'm kinde sceptical and waith to see your idea coming true, but i doub it will.
If you import on chep price from another nation your own price will get cheeper to some produce because you have big ofert.

[Drewtate]

I think it was 2018 that Trump very bluntly said publicly when on a diplomatic trip that Europe particularly Germany should be paying more towards NATO, be less reliant on the US for their defense, buy US military equipment and buy oil/gas from America not Russia. 2023 that is what is happening.

[NamerOfStars]

Maybe- but I think it's more because they don't want to start World War 3. One of their Cold War enemies is broken, but not out yet; it can't use proxies anymore and is fighting its own wars now. The other Cold War enemy is still going strong, and increasingly pumping cash into its proxy in that war. If Beijing stays quiet now, they'll be in a GREAT position to either pick up the pieces or seize the Chinese government. If they're publicly seen to pick a side, that goes out the window.

[RealMarek]

What Russian failure in Ukraine are you talking about? Have you noticed that the much-hyped Ukrainian summer offensive was a horrific failure? They were supposed to be at the Sea of Azov by the end of the summer and never penetrated the first Russian defensive line. The Russians captured more than twice as much territory as the Ukrainians so far this year despite being in a defensive, attritional posture.

[Soteris]

Partially yes, but you are missing the point where China wants Russia to fail anyways. After Russia crashes and burns, China can come in and sweep up the pieces for their own benefit.

[Drewtate]

I know they want Chinese territory back stolen over 100 years ago and possibly sibera.
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[Soteris]

Yeah that is a major thing but also just the fact that China wants to turn Russia into their own puppet government and suck the country dry of its resources and people for the benefit of the struggling Chinese economy.

[Drewtate]

I could see Russia get desperate enough for cash, weapons and supplies that they sell territory to China and agree to get out of central asia. Central asia has everything China needs.

[normalice]

More likely they simply don't approve of Russia's invasion.

[NaultD]

China bleeding edge spy technology was on balloons. They are copeing on clone level shit if they think they have any technology advantage that isn't better then public available on geoguesser.

[NaultD]

There power comes from there numbers and building up the new silk road land and sea.

They are turning late tribal areas into early industrial revolution production from Asia into Africa. That's a big boom in economic development power but not really military. It's more of a liability then anything else. China is going for a long game cheating out production in developing nations to gain global soft power over USA.

I still think china is still too much of a hardass that developing nations go thanks for the help and jump ship to USA side of economy.

[Dargil]

Although it is not stealthy, the F15EX cannot be beat. That's why they are upgrading it.

[VforVindication]

Definitely. Made in China = cheap

[ibodi]

It is not about cheap amercian worker can not reflect theiry price now.