So Russia’s Wagner Group was Neo Nazi, then why do right wingers still think Ukraine is?

[OddBeMe]

[Anonymous]

Probably because the Azov battalion has been guilty of being neo-Nazis for a looooong time. Amazingly if you look before it all gets scrubbed, you can still find lots of videos, photos, and content about how the Ukrainians are the most corrupt nation in Europe and that their military is over run with neo-Nazis.

What you’re doing is called DARVO, by the way, it’s what shitlibs and sociopaths do.

Deny the Attack, Reverse the Victim/Offender

”You thought the Ukrainians were Neo-Nazis? No. It’s Wagner who are the neo-Nazis.”

How many videos and pictures are ther of Ukrainians with Nazi emblems and flags? How many Nazi patches are on their uniform?

And amazingly, despite following this war very, very closely and being a combat veteran myself, this is the first time I’ve EVER heard of Wagner being the neo-Nazis. I’ve heard them called everything else under the thr stars: mercenaries, killers, criminals, war criminals, invaders. But never neo-Nazi. I wonder why that is? Are you Liberals running out of things to say? Are you getting desperate to justify this absurdly stupid war that for, God knows why, we are funding?

PS. You’re so f-ing brainwashed and led. It’s like Rachel Maddow sits on hot shoulder ab whispers in your ear. It’s fucking pathetic man. I hope they are paying you at least.

[goaded]

Maybe you should read @DryGermanGuy's post, en.respublica.lt/signs-of-neo-nazi-ideology-amongst-russian-mercenaries www.telegraph.co.uk/.../

Perhaps you missed all the democratic attempts to reduce the amount of coruption in the country?

[OddBeMe]

@agagagagaga No doubt about Azov group or whatever. Just like our military has white supremacists. Loads of them. But they’re controlled by smart officers. Like in Ukraine. Which is why the Azov group hasn’t tried to kill its JEWISH president.

[DryGermanGuy]

While there are a lot of educated people in the United States the average, self-identified "right winger" would not be able to find Ukraine on a world map, let alone to analyze the background and intricacies of the various factions in this war.

[DryGermanGuy]

G@Gers might want to read up on the actual background of the people behind groups like Wagner or Rusich, the material is not exactly covert.

Quote:
"Dmitry Utkin is the founder of the infamous Wagner mercenary group. [...] A photo recently surfaced of Utkin with Nazi tattoos, giving additional proof of his ideological leanings. For those who been following Wagner group for some time this photos was not surprising, as his and a lot of Wagner fighters’ ideological inclinations were already known. The photo originally surfaced on Russian VK accounts and a Telegram group affiliated with the mercenaries, but received interest by media outlets just recently.
Taking a closer look at the photos, Nazi collar tabs with Waffen SS bolts on the left and military rank on the right can be identified. Lower on the chest, a Reichsadler Eagle, can be seen. All three of these tattoos are symbols found Waffen-SS military uniforms, which was the military branch of the Nazi Party’s SS organization."
en.respublica.lt/signs-of-neo-nazi-ideology-amongst-russian-mercenaries

Quote:
"The self-styled "task force Rusich", recruited from nationalist circles in Moscow and St Petersburg, posted images of its troops in the Kharkiv region.
The openly fascist and far-Right fighters further undermine Russia's claims it is fighting to "de-Nazify" Ukraine.
One photograph showed Denis Pushilin, the president of the Russian-run Donetsk People’s Republic, presenting an award to a fighter wearing the unit’s Volknut emblem - a Norse symbol appropriated by the modern neo-Nazi movement.
The soldier was also wearing a Totenkopf, the skull-and-cross-bones emblem of the SS.
Rusich was founded in the summer of 2014 by Alexei Milchakov, a self-proclaimed neo-Nazi from St Petersburg, and Yan Petrovsky, a Russian "nationalist and patriot" who grew up and was radicalised in Norway."
www.telegraph.co.uk/.../

[OddBeMe]

God you’re so Dry.

[Drewtate]

The Totenkopf dates back b4 the nazis when the Russian army used it in WW1. The US Marine Recon use it as do many other military units past and present that were not nazis. It is also used by Ukraine's Azov Brigade who are in fact actual Neo Nazis who use many neo nazi and white supremacist symbols like noise runes and ss lightening bolts.
upload.wikimedia.org/.../...the_Azov_Battalion.svg

[Drewtate]

Who says they are Neo-nazis? Ukraine has a history of neo nazis that's linked to resentment of communism and Russia going back before ww1 and the Russian civil war where Ukraine tried to free itself from Russian control only to crushed, oppressed and starved. Then came ww2 and a lot of Ukrainians fought with the nazis against the USSR and were sent to the gulag after the nazis were forced back. Then all that oppression of Ukrainians during the cold war. So after 1990 very right wing and neo nazi organisations appeared.

The Wagner group are not neo nazis or fascists but what they are is Mercenaries that have served in the Russian military, they are a well trained and experienced body of men. Their political ideology is Russian Nationalistic or Putinism. Fascism and National Socialism is thrown around far too much as propaganda to demonise political opponents. They ultimately fight for money.

I would also point out that the US government has its own mercenary armies.

[msc545]

One thing does not eliminate the other in this case.

[OddBeMe]

Dude America hasn’t even elected a Jewish president.

[Juxtapose]

Nazis can fight other Nazis just like Communists can fight other Communists.

[FreyaRed]

world isn't black and white

[OddBeMe]

Seems like it is when you’re bitching about Ukraine.

[FreyaRed]

There are nazis and commies on both sites. You pay too much attention to ideology, it's just a tool

[OddBeMe]

Wait who are commies? They’re back?

[gorydetails]

Nazis, nazis everywhere.