What’s your opinion on the recent strikes?

[OddBeMe]

This guy apparently is running for something and hates strikes. I get the issue, but if it weren’t for strikes and unionizing we wouldn’t have weekends.

Support Strikes

Don’t support strikes. And I work on weekends.

Other

[Anonymous]

The companies are no good, upper management is making too much money , stockholders are making too much, record profits, the companies are trying to make too much money. This needs to trickle down to the workers. Cut back on what upper management makes and the lower workers can make more.

[OddBeMe]

Never does. Unless we make stock buybacks illegal.

[Juxtapose]

Fuck big business I am all for strikes.

[OddBeMe]

Are you a multiple personality?

[Juxtapose]

I'm a real liberal, you should try it sometime.

[OddBeMe]

I mean, personal labels…but seriously your logic can get skewed. Here you’re cool Jux. On our other convo you’re Hitler Jux. Lol

[Juxtapose]

You're twisted by this intersectionality bullshit to follow a skewed version of liberalism.

[OddBeMe]

I don’t follow any version of any label. I’m my own beliefs. Is that your problem? You’re reading all these label definitions and trying to be all of them at once? Don’t do that.

[Juxtapose]

What a stupid non sequitur.

[OddBeMe]

I feel like we’ve been at odds and I like agreeing with you when your meds kick in. Enjoy the mho.

[Juxtapose]

No meds at all despite growing up with three learning disabilities 💪 Just caffeine and weed for me.

Thanks, even though your compliment was backhanded.

[OddBeMe]

My wife gets backhanded. You’re my Gag wife.

That didn’t sound right,

[Juxtapose]

You're not girly enough for me, sorry.

[whirled_up_girl]

I belong to a nurse's union and support strikes. There have been times where they have been necessary to advocate for better working conditions and in my field patient safety as well.

[OddBeMe]

So anti American. Wait…

[exitseven]

If you have a no strike clause in your contract you should not be able to strike, otherwise I say take thechospital for everything you can get

[whirled_up_girl]

@exitseven Thanks, yeah with my union we can only strike when we are negotiating a new contract. Contracts last about three to four years and during the contract, we have a no-strike clause.

[provokeesmokee]

Class war, comrades, we're in it. Never left it.

Unionize and fight.

[OddBeMe]

Nice.

[monorprise]

@provokeesmokee So you support un-elected goverment employees doing whatever they want with your goverment?

I presume you support the same right to hijack and steal from everyone else in the private sector as well.

the "right to strike" is the right to steal from the man who was nice enough to offer you a job.

If you think you have that right you don't deserve a job from anyone.

[provokeesmokee]

@monorprise Yes, if there's unionized positions.

It's up to the government to structure and run their civil service well enough to avoid a strike.

If elected government officials can't even run their own civil service, how the fuck do they expect to run a whole ass country?

[OddBeMe]

@monorprise what wrong with people getting soapboxes and at standing together to fight for what they want? If company wants to fire the strikers…they have that right. And expect consequences from people.

[monorprise]

@provokeesmokee
Seeing as they could demand an infinite amount of money and freedom to use goverment power to their will rather than the people who are robed to paid their bills, that would be despotism.

Just as doing the same thing in a private company is thief, except here they have ceased control of force from the elected politicians and now hold the whole of the country as their slaves.


In such a situation we would be in great need of a revolution to abolish their agency and power over us all together in favor of something that answers to the people rather than themselfs.

So we will indeed let you strike forever.

[monorprise]

@OddBeMe
If companies had the right to fire the strikers, it would be a right to work state. As that is exactly what should happen when they don't show up for work or try to high jack their employers business.

[provokeesmokee]

@monorprise Yeah, theoretically. But it wouldn't happen. Eventually, either the government mandates their return - certain positions will have clauses for this - or they do a full turnover or scab it.

All possibilities.

Private companies with unions can also pursue these. Strikes have laws and rules around them, I suggest you research them if you're interested in arguing against them.

Positions the country depends on are frequently exempt or opted out of unions, expressly to avoid the sort of country-halting strikes you're describing.

If those positions aren't union exempt, then either it's not a service that will truly halt the country or it's a fault of the government for designing a fragile organization.

But this all said, I think you'll find that there's more Americans who will do scab work or otherwise even civil servants who will volunteer to continue running necessary programs if push comes to shove.

As for companies having the right to fire strikers - they can. They can also fire employees anytime for no cause by giving severance pay. Layoffs should be familiar to you by this point.

But again, hiring good employees is the responsibility of the company. Just like being an employee isn't guaranteed, having a good employee isn't a given.

If a business pays for an employees services, but that employee doesn't find the compensation fair, it's the employee's right to work to rule.

[monorprise]

@provokeesmokee
That is called union busting, what was the point of the union in the first place if that is allowed?

I don't think it is ever acceptable to force anyone who doesn't want to work to work, but it is just as wrong to force their employee to hold their job open for them should they refuse to return.
Or continue in their employment when they make themselfs a threat by attempting to blackmail said employee with said marginalization.

In the case of unionized Goverment agencies, for the unneeded agencies like EPA can and perhaps should be simply abolished. This could be done with little trouble however armed agencies like the military could simply choose to instead of organizing to not work in demanding you give them things organize to take over instead.

With a single uniform federal organization there would be nothing that could stop them. We call this a military coup and they are quite common around the world thou-out history.

You can exempt theses "special" agencies from your "right to strike" but really your just picking and choosing what you judge to be "essencal" at the cost of others.

This unequal and arbitrary treatment naturally leads to resentment on all sides, as no matter what happens everyone is forced to pay for everyone else's monopolizing demands.

In the case of the current strikes they are likely to drive theses unionized car companies fut her out of the marked. Ford for example might actually go under given their already very precarious financial position. Good ridden, other non-unionized companies in non-union states will take over their market share and maybe even factories and IP.

Regardless it seems quite clear your not in favor of union labor if you support the right of companies to fire strikers.

[provokeesmokee]

I stopped reading after you started bringing up the usual right wing talking points of "agencies bad".

How the fuck do you expect the executive branch to do their work without help? A single branch isn't big enough to handle a country the size of America with all its issues.

Please just go interview irl people and stop relying on Fox News for so much info.

[OddBeMe]

Ouch, she turned you into chopped liver

[exitseven]

I support strikes. Tim Scott is referring to President Reagan firing the air traffic controllers. The contract that they agreed to prohibited going on strike so they really were in breach of contract. The president did the right thing.

Many times public employees have similar clauses in their contracts and yet they go on strike anyway. They all should be fired. Usually the cities and towns let them get away with it.

[OddBeMe]

Huh. People do sign stupid contracts without reading, I love the Simpsons episode on healthcare insurance how they traded that for a pin ball machine at the power plant. Lol

[exitseven]

If you are dumb enough to sign a contract without reading it or getting a lawyer to look at it you get what you deserve.

[OddBeMe]

I don’t know the intricacies of the airline strike in the 80s. I just know now pilots and attendants have 70-80 hour weeks flying people around in horizontal buildings.

[exitseven]

The air traffic controllers participated in an illegal strike and President Reagan called their bluff. I supplied equipment for the police dept of a major university and they had 2 new dispatchers making 15k a year. These two guys were former Air traffic controllers and were making over 50k. My brother in laws former manager when he worked at McDonalds ended up becoming an air traffic controller. Reagan showed that you really could just fire them all and there were plenty of people who would take their place.

[OddBeMe]

Well most protests are illegal. Should MLK not have broken the law?

[exitseven]

It is one thing to protest. That is protected under the first amendment. It is another to just walk off the job in breach of a contract that your union negotiated in good faith. Air Traffic controllers and other professions perform a very important function and when they decide not to come to work the country experiences serious consequences and lives could even be lost.

[OddBeMe]

Actually not protected. That's why mlk went to jail.

[exitseven]

When did he go on strike? I did not even know he was in a union.

[OddBeMe]

No dummy for protests. Ever heard of peaceful resistance? That’s breaking the law in protest.

[OddBeMe]

But he was ironically in Memphis to support a strike when he was assasinated.

[Jerre]

I do hope the auto workers get what they want and need

[OddBeMe]

If we want to keep what’s left of our manufacturing. Be funny if fords were made in China and Toyota was mostly in America.

[Jerre]

@OddBeMe Thank you for the Like

[OddBeMe]

Wait! You didn’t lol my joke. Like taken away!

[Anonymous]

A labor union is a criminal organization where the people you pay to do a job steal your company from you.

They deserve prison not just being laid off

[OddBeMe]

Companies can also be criminal. Yet no one went to jail for 2007 crash.

[Opinion Owner]

@oddbeme
If there is a guilty party for the 2008 financial crisis it is Freddie and Fannie Mae who bank rolled the bad investments for the better part of a decades. They are of course Federal goverment owned and currency backed organizations so the cops won't arrest themselfs.

The real blame of course rest with congress who not only created theses unaccountable organizations but passed laws mandating all others make similarly bad investments to buy votes.

Once again politicians are not going to arrest themselfs, and are as a lot at least among the ones favored by the press quite good at evading even political responsibility for their policy failures. Can always point the finger at someone else no matter how ridiculous that claim is. Which of course is why nobody goes to jail. The guilty party runs the jails.

[OddBeMe]

Nope. Not govt owned.
“Fannie and Freddy are United States government-sponsored enterprises (GSE) and, since 1968 publicly traded companies.
“The subprime mortgage crisis caused the U. S. government to bail out and put into conservatorship Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac in September, 2008.”

[Opinion Owner]

@oddbeme Either you didn't read what a government-sponsored enterprise is specifically in Freddie and Fannie Mae case which enabled the bankrolling of their financially wreak-less behavior via the Federal reserve. And you overlooked your own quote of the Goverment Bail out of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac because they actually did make such wreak-less investments and created the 2ndary marked for the same of other investors buying them to sell to Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac.

That is why their 'autonomy' had to be ended.

[OddBeMe]

They were publicly traded until the govt took them over dipshit. Know what public trading is right? Wall Street shares owns the company.

[Opinion Owner]

@oddbeme What does Public trading have to do with them being a Goverment Sponsored Enterprise? There is nothing inherently non-government about the stock marked, Indeed the goverment already sells its bonds publicly.

Indeed The federal government technically sells voting shares as well too via citizenship fees too.

The underlining problem with Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac was the fact that their 'investment' were both explicitly supported by the Tax payer via the dollar. and simplistically supported via taxes as the Federal Goverment then proved in taking them into conservatorship.

They had any equal footing with any other company and as such were NEVER real private companies independent of the goverment power.

[OddBeMe]

That who OWNS them!!! Whoever has the shares! Doesn’t matter how they started. In 68 they became public ally traded corporations. Jesus Christ.

Do you have a 401k? Hopefully so. That means you own pieces of companies.

[Opinion Owner]

@oddbeme Again what does ownership have to do with the issue? We the people also collectively own the goverment.

[OddBeMe]

Because you baked Fanny and Freddy (which were apart, not THE cause) and thus the govt was to blame. Logic proven wrong.

Govt didn’t own them. Jesus fcking christ I’m exhausted.

[OddBeMe]

#blamed not baked lol

[Opinion Owner]

Freddy and Fanny are apart of the goverment and always have been since day one.
@oddbeme The fact that they were made into Goverment sponsored Enterprises did not make them non-Government, certantly not take from them all critical commanding Goverment financial advantage of having the backing of the currency.

There is a reason Freddy and Fanny were soo big and able to buy soo many bad loans its not good management its cheap money.

That is the key detail, the other was the implicit goverment guarantee to keep them from collapsing on the account of said bad choices.

[OddBeMe]

Apart of federal govt yet owned by public stocks. Then taken back into the govt affer the crash.

you're trying to save yourself. Just admit mistske. Its ok.

[Opinion Owner]

@oddbeme
Go read the original remark: "If there is a guilty party for the 2008 financial crisis it is Freddie and Fannie Mae who bank rolled the bad investments for the better part of a decades. They are of course Federal goverment owned and currency backed organizations so the cops won't arrest themselfs."

I Stand by that fact, Freddy and Fannie despite being in part 'owned' by public stock were effective goverment owned and critically backed by the currency.

Then again my definition of ownership is related to responsibility and possession both of which the federal goverment demonstrated with theses GSEs

[msc545]

I absolutely support strikes against greedy employers.

[Dargil]

People trying to force what they didn't earn.

[OddBeMe]

Up for interpretation, I guess. As a writer I can see their side. Its unfort shows have to suffer when really it’s the Ceos and major stockholders who could cut.5% of their profits for a day and end thus strike.

[OddBeMe]

*end the strike

[BLP11520]

People need higher pay