Total number of Jews in the world = 16 million. Total number of Muslims in the world = 1.8 BILLION. Whose committing genocide against who again?

[RingOfFire]

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LEARN YOUR HISTORY! The genocide is and has always been by Arab Muslims against JEWS, not the other way around. There is a total of only 16 million Jews in the world, one of the smallest religious groups. There are 1.8 BILLION Muslims, 113 times as many Muslims as Jews. So don’t buy this BS story that Jews are the big bad bullies overwhelming some poor put upon minority. Besides being false, it’s IMPOSSIBLE. It is JEWS who are the endangered minority not Muslims.

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@bingbongbangbung

Clearly when I refer to Arabs I am referring to people who live in Arab run countries in the Middle East. Their ethnic background is irrelevant to my points.

[Agape93]

Yeap. Considering they beheaded what, 40 children in one area yesterday.

I don't give a shit about either side 9/10. But kidnapping, torturing, raping and murdering women and children puts you on my shit list. So I hope they glass the entirety of Gaza and the west bank.

[RingOfFire]

It's way past time. ENOUGH IS ENOUGH!

The problem is that as soon as Israel tries to defend itself the world turns against them. "Show resraint" "They are killing civilians" "The Israeli's are comiting genocide." So the stop... and then the barbarians attack them all over again.

After 70 years of these attacks on Israel ENOUGH IS ENOUGH! Especially after THOUSANDS of years of attempted genocide of the Jewish people.

Stop committing genocide against *** JEWS ***!

NEVER AGAIN!

[Agape93]

A hammer to the skull of every tyrant.

[Agape93]

How many times must they ensure genocide before people stfu and let them wipe out the threat

[RingOfFire]

That last point is exactly where we are at. ENOUGH IS ENOUGH!

[Agape93]

Agreed. If my neighbor kept attacking me and my loved ones, you can call me whatever you want. I'd still kill him. If a friend of mine was out there, I'd be flying out to take my pound of flesh and put my boot on their necks.

[TonyMetal___86]

What does the number of a specific religious population have to do with genocides? 🤔

Are you claiming that the israelis are angels and that the palestinians are demons?

I'm neutral, i believe that they both have committed enough crimes and wars against each other...

I believe that the only way to solve this conflict between these 2 is to sit together and achieve a real peace agreement with each other so that they can spare innocent lives from being wasted for nothing...

Let's be real, no one can eliminate the other, if they keep thinking that the only to exist is by eliminating the other than the war will never ends and conflict will always remain...

Why can't they just live in peace together without having a side oppressing the other?

I really hope that humanity achieves a level someday where they can deal with each other without wars so that innocent peoole doesn't pay the price on behalf of people who are eager for wars!

[RingOfFire]

They cannot live in peace because elements of the Muslim world, such as Iran and their barbarian subhuman proxy army puppets such as Hamas and Hezbollah and will not accept the existence of Israel under any circumstances. They will not stop their assault until Israel no longer exists. Israel has bent over backwards to negotiate and it has been useless for 70 years.

So you are wrong. The ONLY way there can be peace is for Israel to obliterate Hamas and Hezbollah completely and once and for all. And they absolutely CAN do it. And they may well be in the process of doing just that right at this moment. And if Iran gets in the way they will wipe them out too. THEN and ONLY THEN there will be peace in the region because President Trump already got rid of ISIS.

In prior attempts, Israel stopped their defensive attacks short of eliminating the attackers because the stinking anti-Semitic world turned on them after THEY were the ones attacked and when they tried to defend themselves THEY were accused of being the aggressors and couldn't finish the job. This time I think it will be different and Israel will tell the world to go fuck themselves and finish the job so it can never happen again. I sure as hell hope they do.

[TonyMetal___86]

What you said about the ideology, well i cannot deny it, because they truly think like that and that's the main issue, that's why i said that they both have to agree that the way of peace can't be achieved by such ideology...
Isis is a different thing and a terrorist organization and you have to see who stands behind it and i'm glad that they are exterminated because these are animals in forms of humans!

Now let's get back to the main topic, Israel invaded palestine in the 1940's, you can't come to a country an claim that you want to make a country in a country, the palestinians were wrong when they start solding their lands and everything to the jews who came there and when the jews wanted to claim a country for them, the palestinians have rebelled!
It's an old conflict and it is what it is now, you have to forget the past and live in the present, that's why of they can't reach an agreement together than the war will never ends until one of them eliminate the other but in the process i consider both to be criminals because they are killing innocent people, i know that you're going to tell me that this is a war and there will be casualties but who's responsible for it? BOTH!

Also when you talk about Iran, what do you expect? Their whole country is founded on extreme ideology and they are hungry for power just like any other big country who wants leadership and power but what's more dangerous about Iran is that live on the saying "me and no one else" also there is no place in their agenda or book for freedom, it's either with us or against us, and against us means that we must kill you!

Sadly, that we have to deal with such systems in the world...

[RingOfFire]

Have to split this into two parts.

PART#1

I'm only going to comment on two things you said because your facts are completely wrong and it is useless to go on with the conversation until you educate yourself.

1. "Isis is a different thing and a terrorist organization."

What are you talking about. Different? How is Hamas who at the very moment it just invaded Israel was in talks with them faking a negotiation, in a surprise attack in the middle of the night intentionally targeted and slaughtered a couple of thousand Israeli civilians, murdered young children in front of their parents before they then tortured and murdered the parents, or put the children in CAGES and kidnapped them to rape torture and murder when they get them to Gaza, captured and raped young Israeli girls then cut their heads off, dragged an 85 year old Israeli woman Holocaust survivor in a wheelchair by the hair out of her house and murdered her brutally in front of her daughter and took dozens of civilian hostages including Americans who they are threatening to torture and murder one by one ON CAMERA FOR THE WORLD TO SEE... how are they DIFFERENT than terrorists. Don't have a clue how you arrive at that. AND ITS ALL ON VIDEO. Have you not seen the videos? I have never seen more barbaric subhumans than that.

And tell me... when did ANYONE in Israel EVER do ANYTHING like that? The answer is NEVER. To make a moral comparison between Israel and Hamas is so absurd it doesn't even deserve the response I just gave it. But hopefully you will learn something.

[RingOfFire]

PART #2

2. "Israel invaded palestine in the 1940's"

Complete and utter BULLSHIT. First of all there was no Israel before the founders of the country BOUGHT THE LAND from Palestinian owners, Egypt and other land owners in Palestine. They were glad to get rid of it because the land was useless empty desert. (there was never a country named Palestine, it was only a barren desert region of nomadic people until Israel was founded and turned it into an oasis in the desert. They suddenly they wanted the land back.).

Then the forerunner of the United Nations, the League of Nations LEEGALLY AND FULLY LEGITIMATELY declared Israel a sovereign country. As soon as they did that ISRAEL was attacked by its Arab neighbors.

Learn your history. You head is filled to fake propaganda against Israel and you are spreading the BS to other people.

Feel free to start here:

"Jewish land purchase in Palestine was the acquisition of land in Ottoman and Mandatory Palestine by Jews from the 1880s until the establishment of the State of Israel in 1948. By far the largest such arrangement was known as the Sursock Purchase. As of April 1st, 1945, Jews had acquired 5.67% of the land in Palestine."

en.wikipedia.org/.../Jewish_land_purchase_in_Palestine

[RingOfFire]

I'll give you the last word for what it's worth.

[TonyMetal___86]

I respect your opinions but do you think that you have morals in your convo with me? You're talking about morals, you have to educate yourself about morals before using the word!
By the way, why are you angry? You have your opinion and i have mine, maybe you're right and i'm wrong and maybe it's the opposite way but tell me where have i disrespected you or throwing bad words here and there because you're defending a side against the other!
Who told you that i'm not against hamas actions towards the innocent people?
We do know that the israelis commited a lot of horrific crimes against these people but no one cares to air it on T. V, remember that i'm neutral but why would i want to talk about the israeli innocent people who were killed and not to mention the innocent people of palestine who were brutally killed too but the western news haven't revealed it or didn't show it on the news on a daily basis or because some parts of the world want to show that israel is a sheep while the palestinians are the butchers or other parts of the world where they laugh and encourage palestinians to kill more israeli innocent citizen...

Mr ring of fire, i have my own ideology and i speak freely, i do not get taught lessons by people who wants tk convince me that this one is the criminal and the other the victim...

Now about the videos, well i do not enjoy watching people in pain or people who are dead because while a lot of people in my country were celebrating the death of innocent dead citizens corpses spreaded on the road, i was shocked and was sad to see this, i wished if it was a movie and not real, i saw how they paraded this dead german/israeli girl mostly naked in a truck like she was an insect and i'm completely against these barbaric acts... etc

[TonyMetal___86]

Haven't seen the videos about other stuff because i know that innocent people from both sides are being killed in this war...

We all know that the west supports israel while iran and some arab countries or maybe other than arab countries supports palestine, but does it matters who supports who? Or in reality you have to find who's really right who's really wrong and as you said to recheck the real history to see the facts of how it all began and in the end to find a solution to stop this war once and for all...

[RingOfFire]

I'll tell you why I am angry. I am angry because people like you are spreading ignorant propaganda and lies without any effort to research your facts AND CONTRIBUTING TO THE TERRORIST'S EFFORTS TO MURDER INNOCENT PEOPLE. Whether you are just colossally careless or intentionally helping the terrorists makes no difference. YOU ARE CONTRIBUTING TO THE GENOCIDE OF THE JEWISH PEOPLE.

THAT is why I am angry. After thousands of years of persecution, the most persecuted people on the planet have HAD IT with this moral equivalence argument. The enemies of Israel are EVIL and Israel is NOT. If you can't find it in your vocabulary to make that statement loud and clear, you are part of the problem, not the answer.

[TonyMetal___86]

See! Now you're acting like the iranians and other extremists, you know why? It's because they also believe in what they want to believe and they will start creating facts that do not even exists and if you argue with them, they get angry and wash you with all kinds of bad words and in the end shut their brains off and turns into predators who just wants to eliminate you because it's extremely hard for them to accept others who opposes their ideology...

Your anger made you lose your mind and you have started to accuse me that i'm supporting the terrorists and that i'm happy because innocent israelis are being brutally killed... etc

Calm down and re read what i wrote and you will find out that all your accusations against me are wrong, don't let your anger controls your mind, you're a 68 year old man, you have to be wise and do not act like an angry teenager...

I don't have any propaganda, i just want peace and every person have the right to live in peace, the ones who wants war and shed blood, let them deal with each other but not on the backs of the innocent people...

For example: if 2 people wants to fight, they can fight each other but do not hurt others who aren't in the fight from the 1st place...

May all the innocent dead people r. i. p and that this war ends soon, because all these actions are serving the devil and not god!

People who enjoy seeing others hurt or dead or encourage violence aren't humans and deserves to live in a jungle with animals...

Mr ring of fire are you a jew?

[RingOfFire]

When you state things as basic and central as "Israel invaded Palestine in the 1940s" as facts and as the premise for your entire case it is so colossally negligent that it contributes to the ubiquitous propaganda of the enemies of humanity. Other people read that and see it as yet ANOTHER validation of the same propaganda they hear over and over again from the evil fake media and other ignorant people who repeat it without bothering to research their facts.

This is not a question of whether a car that won a race was actually red and you said it was blue. This is a CRITICAL moment, when people are searching the Internet to read about this topic and you are providing yet more repetitions of dangerous anti-Israeli propaganda falsehoods without a care in the world to find out if it is even true first. That kind of negligence is getting innocent people killed.

[TonyMetal___86]

I'll make sure to search for the facts again and see what the history really mentions about it again from differrent sources...

I might be wrong and i might be right, in the end i'm a human being and no human being is perfect!

Thanks for this convo and i wish that this war ends soon so that no more people loses their lives and that they achieve a long term peace agreement, i know that it's very hard and that it might never happens but that's my wish...

In the end, remember that god is seeing everything, every bad person who harms the other intentionally especially if they are innocent, they are going to rot in hell forever, they can laigh here as much as they want but in the end we are all going to die and god will gives us his proper judgement...

Have a nice day!

[RingOfFire]

Thanks for your cool headed reply. I am not personally angry with you, it's just that I have seen too many even well meaning people not taking this seriously enough to do the hard research it takes to get past the piles and piles of propaganda to get to the documented truth. They are the people who knowingly or not are being used to spread the evil. After seeing this over and over again I cannot help but get fed up with it.

You sound like a good person. Please try to refrain from making statements about this topic without carefully researching them first. If you do that research I think you will be shocked at how far away what you hear in the media is from the truth and conclude that there aren't two evil sides here but only one.

Hope you have a good day too.

[madhatters4]

i don't believe the population number defines whether an act is genocide.

i don't necessarily disagree that HAMAS (not muslims) are engaged in genocide. but the population of Muslims vs Jews doesn't really factor into the criteria

[chrissykerdock]

i don't know what you mean by this... but the acts against jews are savage and cruel no matter how you cut it

[RingOfFire]

You are right. What I mean by this is that there are protesters all over the world, and media outlets all over the world claiming that JEWS are committing genocide against MUSLIMS. That is absolutely OUTRAGEOUS and just the opposite of what is happening.

[chrissykerdock]

sounds like they don't know the facts... like the jews aren't going to fight back... what they did was savage against all humanity.

[RingOfFire]

It ALWAYS goes that way. Terrorists attack Israel and everybody comes out and says how naughty they are. But as soon as Israel tries to defend itself, no matter how careful they are to minimize loss of life, THEY are called the terrorists and everyone starts calling for ceasefires, peace and diplomacy. They NEVER let Israel defend itself because they don't care about Israel. It's all talk. Most of them just want Israel to disappear because all the propaganda blames THEM for the problems and they are not at fault.

I think this time it will finally be different and Israel will do what it has to do no matter what the world says. I sure hope so.

[Anonymous]

We all see it every day. Some fractions of society have a hard time telling the difference between the good guys and the bad guys. Or, at the very least, the better guys vs the not so good guys. Yeah, let's lift sanctions against Iran and give them 6 billion dollars. After all, they said that money will go to humanitarian causes! They're good people. We can trust them. Biden is a fucking disgrace!

[Anonymous]

It were Germans nazis who killed 0.6million jews, it were Europeans who ousted them from Europe and settled them in Palestine illegally. These illegal occupants have killed many civilians since last 75 years and did genocide of Palestinians.

It were Mongols who destroyed city of Baghdad and killed several Muslims.

It was America who nuked on Japan and killed hundred thousands innocent people. Killed many people in proxy wars.

World war 1 and world war 2 were fought by Nazis and Allies. Killed millions of people but

Still people think Muslims are barbarians. Height of duplicity, dual standards of West. Propaganda is going on social media without any proof that 40 children were beheaded by hamas. Shame on the liars. May the liars and cruel face curse of God !!

[bingbongbangbung]

Using whataboutism to deflect doesn't wash away past and present atrocities committed by Muslims, whether they're doing it as lone wolfs, tyrannical regimes, and/or extremist groups

[Berethor]

They want to kill all Jews, just like Amin al-Husseini.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amin_al-Husseini

[imran_]

We do regret it. We regret showing kindness to the Jews that sought refuge in Palestine, when the Jews came there crying, having been kicked out of Europe.

You are on the right track, Keep continuing whining, until people start believing your lies. Good job by the way!

[Paul09]

I'm so fed up of these religious nuts. They are easily brainwashed. Causing wars over what exactly? Kill innocents for what? Like a kid had anything to do with their made-up problems.

Humans suck in General. More evil than good in the world.

[bingbongbangbung]

It's the Zionists committing genocide against Palestinians, not Jews committing genocide against Muslims; stop believing in government propaganda from Israel, America, Saudi Arabia, Iran, etc

[Anonymous]

There'd be lot more if the far right hadn't shoved them in to gas chambers.

[RingOfFire]

Genocide is not "far right or left"

Muslim terrorists, who commit atrocities against Jews are the same as Nazis are the same as Chinese Communists are the same as the Sudanese are the same as the Rwandans are the same as the Cambodians.

The only difference is that Jews have been the victims of this genocide for thousands of years more than any other group of people.

ENOUGH IS ENOUGH!

[AngryCarl2]

No one has ever suggested Jews were pursuing a campaign of genocide against Muslims. In fact you should be more careful with your terminology. If you think you're promoting Zionism by being an ass you're very mistaken.

[RingOfFire]

"No one has ever suggested Jews were pursuing a campaign of genocide against Muslims."

I always knew you were ignorant but never realized you were also blind*. A day never goes by without a hundred headlines accusing Israelis of committing genocide against Muslims in Gaza.

*Just a tip. You don't have to use Braille anymore. You can get readers now that can read the articles to you.

[AngryCarl2]

If Israel wanted to commit genocide they could do it now. Your "argument" makes no sense, like everything you post.

[jahaims]

Correlation isn't causation

[RingOfFire]

Jews have lived on the land of Israel for thousands of years since biblical times. Some of them were there because they were PERSECUTED AND EXPELLED FROM THE SURROUNDING ARAB Muslim countries. No one ever even talks about the more than one million Jews who lived in the Arab countries since antiquity and were murdered, their homes and property stolen and driven out. They are ALL GONE because the Muslims in those countries destroyed them!

20% of the population of Israel are ARAB MUSLIM citizens and they have every right that every other citizen of Israel has including the right to vote that they don't get in many Arab countries. They have a far better life and much more freedom they would have had in the Arab countries they fled. They are doctors, lawyers, politicians who hold political office and influence Israeli policy. They have 100% RIGHTS except the right to serve in the Israeli military (Oh the discrimination!). Contrast that with Arab countries that DON'T EVEN ALLOW JEWS TO VISIT their countries let alone live there.

In 1995 there were 1 million Muslims living in Israel. As of 2020 there were TWO million. That's genocide? If so it's the most unsuccessful genocide in the history of the human race.

LEARN YOUR HISTORY! The genocide is and has always been by Arab Muslims against JEWS, not the other way around. There is a total of only 16 million Jews in the world, one of the smallest religious groups. There are 1.8 BILLION Muslims, 113 times as many Muslims as Jews. So don’t buy this BS story that Jews are the big bad bullies overwhelming some poor put upon minority. Besides being false, it’s IMPOSSIBLE. It is JEWS who are the endangered minority not Muslims.

[jahaims]

You are mentally ill bud

[bingbongbangbung]

Except that the vast majority of Jews alive today either have no biological claim to past Jews and/or aren't even practicing Judaism

[bingbongbangbung]

Also Arab isn't a single ethnicity, but a mixture of many ethnic groups merged into a conglomerate over time; it's as inaccurate to claim that all Romans, Native Americans, and Han Chinese are the same

[Massageman]

Amen! You nailed it.