Would the 2nd ammendment pass its only real test?

[normalice]

We hear a lot about how the 2nd ammendment is for citizens to protect themselves from an oppressive US government. And those who advocate for the 2nd ammendment insist this is why they do so. But would those advocates ever actually stand up to the federal government in such a way if it became oppressive? Imagine trump wins in 2024 and sends federal troops into cities to be exactly that oppressiv3 government, as he is promising. Does anyone really believe 2nd ammendment advocates outside of those cities, or even those living in them, would rise up to stop the Trump administration? I dont think anyone does.

So, that pretty much nullifies the 2nd ammendment, doesn't it?

I believe they would

They are more likely to root for or join the oppressive government.

I'm a 2nd ammendment advocate and don't want to admit the second answer is spot on because political violence is all I actually want

[Agape93]

Honestly, I likely would. My key thing is, if you leave me and my loved ones alone, I'll leave you alone. You kill, hurt, abuse or oppress my loved ones, I will return the favor. I don't give a damn who you are or whatever badge you have or whatever title you have.

[normalice]

This wasn't really about protecting loved ones so much as the opposite. Would second ammendment advocates rush to defend, with violence, the people they hate the most if they were under attack from people they agree with, because the people they agree with were taking it too far. I dont think think they would.

[Agape93]

Ah then no. If I don't like you, I won't help you. But that's more of a generality for me.

[normalice]

Yeah... it's easy to kill in righteous anger when one is certian they will get away with it. So any half intelligent attempt to invoke federal suppression would obviously avoid producing that exact reaction among those with guns.

[Agape93]

You'd be surprised how easy it can be for some people to push back

[normalice]

Oh, it's real easy to do. It's just hard to want to when it's someone one hates.

[Agape93]

Agreed.

[goaded]

What they intentionally "miss" is that the militia was and is supposed to be subordinate to the democratically elected state government. It was never supposed to be a bunch of people who interpret the constitution in their own special way.

[Dargil]

Imagine trump wins in 2024 and sends federal troops into cities to be exactly that oppressive government, as he is promising.
He won't and isn't.

Your extreme TDS is showing, abnormalice.

[Agape93]

Didn't he send federal troops to Oregon without name tags or insignia to drag off protestors and rioters? Cops don't usually do that.

[Dargil]

@Agape93 Ahh A little all or nothing illogic.
First, post a link verifying HE did that.
Second, what does that even mean?

[Agape93]

I was asking you, because I don't remember.

Also what I typed was pretty clear.

[normalice]

He openly said he would. Sounds like you mean to vote "C" but no one has voted that yet. Please vote.

[Juxtapose]

Nobody sane wants an oppressive government because even if you love the current dictator the next one could be Joseph Stalin or whatever.

My rights don't fall, to Trump or anyone. I only support Trump because I want him to gut the government and drain the swamp. Even if he doesn't he will be better than Joe Biden.

[normalice]

Sounds like your answer is C but the number of people who voted C hasn't changed. Please vote.

Also, Trump waged war on his own country. Even ignoring Bidens unmitigated success, which I'm sure you are happy to do, it is impossible to be worse than Trump unless the goal is more political violence - which, I suppose, yours is.

[Juxtapose]

lol nice strawman. What a load of crap.

[Juxtapose]

I can play that game too!

Biden is a crime lord who is covering for the crimes of his son who has committed tax fraud and has dealt with foreign powers, abusing the position of the vice president.. his dad.

Joe Biden deliberately got people killed in the withdrawal of Afghanistan by staging it in a really incompetent way. He likes to rant about gun control but he armed a lot of the third world with high grade weaponry. Yikes!

Joe Biden is a pedophile who sniffs children in public and gropes them while pressing his groin against them while they are visibly uncomfortable.

Joe Biden has dementia and is unfit for office. He is a puppet.

Biden is waging war on America by destroying it deliberately from the inside out at the behest of the deep state.

Biden is wrong on basically everything and his voting record proves it. Obama even said to not underestimate Biden's ability to fuck up.

The Ukraine conflict in its entirety was a money laundering scheme meant to enrich the military industrial complex while impoverishing Americans.

Inflation has been absolutely absurd.

Etc.

Meanwhile literally everything you say about Trump is a far left lie.

[Juxtapose]

And by the way I have not advocated for violence once in this question.

[normalice]

Yeah, none of that is true, of course. It's just what far right ragetards tell each other to get themselves hyped for political violence. You can't even pretend you don't want it.

[Juxtapose]

At this point I suspect you are projecting your own desire for violence upon me 😅 You're obsessed and completely incapable of seeing any point of view but your own.

[normalice]

You suspect no such thing, lol. You're just saying that because you want political violence but don't want to admit it.

[Juxtapose]

You're the one that's talking about violence here while I literally said I don't want an oppressive government and my rights don't fold, not to Trump or anyone.

[Juxtapose]

Where you get a desire for violence from that I will never know.

[normalice]

I cheerfully announce that I would completely reject any candidate that condones political violence. You won't, nay can't, do the same.

Because you want political violence..

[Juxtapose]

I am only violent in self defense but nice try.

[normalice]

And yet, you won't commit to rejecting any candidate that condones political violence.

Because that's what you want..

[Juxtapose]

So you're against violence for self defense?

[normalice]

Political violence is not self defense unless you are talking about world wars, which you are not. You are looking for moral justification for political violence, which you know is wrong, because it makes you feel good.

[Juxtapose]

You're the type of person who would have said 1776 was unnecessary and being under Britain was just fine and dandy 😅

[Juxtapose]

There's a reason the second amendment exists and it is not for hunting. It is to keep the government in check.

[normalice]

That was self defense against the political violence of the British. I'm fine with it. You, however, would have been on the side of the British, because you want political violence.

[Juxtapose]

[Juxtapose]

I refuse to believe you are this stupid.

[normalice]

I'm not the one who thinks political violence would make me feel better 🤷

[gorydetails]

lol, Trump really broke your brain, didn't he.

[normalice]

Sounds like you meant to vote "C" but no one has yet. Please vote.

[gorydetails]

It's not surprising you have no concept of reality.

[normalice]

You still haven't voted C. Please vote.

[Dargil]

It would be like voting for either Obama or Biden

[normalice]

@Dargil except you are clearly the third option, but no one has picked it yet. Please vote.

[gorydetails]

@normalice have you been officially diagnosed with paranoid schizophrenia, yet? Or just the aspergers?

[normalice]

You still haven't voted C. Please vote

[gorydetails]

I don't think I will.

[normalice]

Yeah. I suppose that's what not wanting to admit it means 🤷

[gorydetails]

If that helps you sleep at night. Can’t be any stupider than any other thought you have in your head,.

[normalice]

I know you didn't actually pick B, so C is the only option. It has nothing to do with my sleep schedule.

[gorydetails]

I'm not answering your stupid poll at all.

[normalice]

Right. That's what not wanting to admit it means. You don't want to admit you just want political violence 🤷

[gorydetails]

No, that's me acknowledging your stupid poll is retarded.

[normalice]

Yes yes, nothing makes you ragetards more angry than being accurately described.

[gorydetails]

no one's angry. Let's see if we can wind you up on an autistic rant.

[normalice]

Uh huh. You're not fooling anyone, ragetard. You just want political violence.

[gorydetails]

that's two.

[normalice]

Well, if you were trying to convince me you don't want political violence, you have achieved the opposite.
But you weren't trying to convince me of any such thing, were you. Because you do, in fact, exclusively, want political.

[normalice]

Violence, lol.

[gorydetails]

three times.

[normalice]

Yeah, you just want political violence. You can't even pretend to deny it 🤷

[gorydetails]

five! Let's see how long he can go

[normalice]

You just don't like me pointing out that you just want political violence 😂

[gorydetails]

there's six. let's see the American retard keep going!

[normalice]

Iiteps really easy to deny. Here ill do it:
I fully commit to rejecting any candidate that promotes or condones political violence.

I honestly believe you would have an aneurysm if you tried to type that sentence. Because you just want political violence

[gorydetails]

I'm losing count of your unhinged, deranged rant.

[normalice]

I suppose 7 is a big number for you brain damaged ragetards.

But yeah, I used to count spankings when I was a child. So I get why you would want to count being spanked with the reminder that you just want political violence.

[gorydetails]

Ok, so we're at 8 unhinged rants from a retard.

[normalice]

I don't like to hurt you, but you need to be spanked with the reminder that you just want political violence until you apologize to yourself for wasting your life on destruction.

[gorydetails]

This is what too much soy, tranny porn and no father figure do to a guy, I guess. You keep yammering about the same dumb shit.

[normalice]

Don't call the only thing you want in this world "dumb." Even though it's political violence that you want, and it is a dumb thing to want, thinking so low of yourself while also refusing to change is unhealthy.

[gorydetails]

brought to you from the mostly peaceful BLM riots.

[normalice]

Your whataboutism isn't going to work. At any point you could end this by admitting to yourself you just want political violence.

[gorydetails]

and you could admit you're a mentally deranged retard.

[normalice]

This is about the condition of your brain, not mine. I m aware of all the tricks you ragetards engage in to avoid admitting you just want political violence.

[Nifrayu]

I think the main reason is self defense, but yes. If the government tried to seize everyone's guns, you better believe there are a lot of gun owners that will fight against it to the bloody end.

[normalice]

That wasn't the question.

[Nifrayu]

What do you mean?

[Lliam]

Only a Democrat would write such stupid comments.
Get back on your meds.

[normalice]

Sounds like your answer is C but no one has voted that yet. Please vote.

[Lliam]

None of those stupid options reflect my views.
I'm not a huge Trump fan, but I'm not infected with TDS.
I support the second amendment for many reasons, the least of which is an armed revolt.

[normalice]

So, C. Please vote.

[msc545]

Even if they did the federal troops would promptly defeat them. Cosplay is not the same as real life.

[exitseven]

Stop watching so much CNN. If anyone is going to test the 2nd amendment it is Biden.

[normalice]

Sounds like your answer is C but no one has voted that yet. Please vote.

[exitseven]

I am not looking for violence but would not walk away from it.

[normalice]

So, C.

[Surely]

It has worked for over two hundred years. So the second amendment must work!

[normalice]

Worked... how? We are one election away from permanent fascism. That's a failure of the 2nd ammendment's stated purpose.

[Juxtapose]

What a bunch of hyperbolic nonsense. We already had four years of Trump and were perfectly fine. The closest we have gone to fascism was under George W Bush & Joe Biden.