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You know, it sounds good when you say it, “one citizen, one vote”….. but have you seen the average citizen? Have you seen the BELOW-average citizen? YIKES, lmao. Collectively, we’re very frighteningly dumb/ignorant/misinformed/disinformed….. but almost everyone seems SUPREMELY confident that they know everything and know best. We can say what we want about politicians, but we’re the ones who elect them. They tell us what we want to hear so we’ll like them and elect them. Not for nothing, but every time we hear about a politician who “doesn’t just tell you what you want to hear” or “tells it like it is and pulls no punches”…. the people cheering for it aren’t the ones being told what they need to hear, they’re celebrating the idea that other people they don’t like are being told shit. Nobody wants a politician who forces you to look in the mirror and check yourself, lmfao, most people aren’t in touch with themselves enough to embrace something like that. They want to hear that their problems in life aren’t their own doing or underachievement, but rather to be blamed on someone else for holding you back or taking your deserved slice of the pie. Grievance politics sells like crazy these days, and has for a long time.
Honestly, the best system would be some sort of benevolent oligarchy…. just the problem comes when you hope powerful people will remain honest despite being unchecked. Not sure how we reliably do that, so again, you look to democracy. But my faith in the intelligence of the general population isn’t really there. I wish we could live under the global watch of some council of very wise people who prioritize kindness and decency, but that’s probably pie in the sky. It feels like the only possible options for an organized society that’s at all pleasant to live in is a monarchy/oligarchy where we aren’t really saddled with the societally divisive decision-making on decision-makers, but run the risk that the decision-maker (s) could be malevolent and not have the people’s best interests in mind; or you have democracy, where the people control the comings and goings of the decision-makers, but the people very well may be idiots on the whole, and want and successfully influence policy-making on things that make some individuals happy but aren’t necessarily good or correct, either for everyone, or just at all. If enough people want to make drunk driving legal for selfish purposes, there’s a conceivable path to getting it legalized. That’s just a quick example, most of us agree drunk driving is harmful to society at large, but I’m just saying that not everything that the people might call for us a good idea.
I also don’t really like the idea of “majority rule.” You can’t just be like “everyone vote out of self-interest, and whoever has the most common shared self-interest, probably largely influenced by any number of demographic factors, will be satisfied, and everyone else who just happens to feel differently can either move or kick rocks.” And again, I just don’t trust people to vote for societal needs over individual needs.
Democracy is probably the safest bet in terms of avoiding an evil dictatorship, but it’s managed by Joe Q. Public, who is an absolute jabroni who I couldn’t trust to get my pizza order right, let alone elect proper leadership. So it’s gonna be pretty jacked up, most likely, lmao.
This is elections should have been suspended and congress dissolved after Trump was elected. Let the people lead that know how to lead, and don’t impede in their way
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@WhiteBoyChill Wild take😂
The parliamentary system in my country is fundamentally good. Could use a few tweaks however (examples include a restored greater role for the Monarchy and better criteria for public offices) to counter the truly infuriating parts of democracy, such as its tendency towards idiocracy. I don't believe that literally everyone regardless of merit or absence of should decide on a nation's future. I am a believer in a meritocratic reality which some people interpret as elitism. I remember reading somewhere, an article if I recall, that convicts ought to have voting rights. Sure, let's allow those who want nothing but harm for society, rule it. As I said, idiocracy.
I do believe everyone desverves the *opportunity* to be included in ruling the country. But that's not the same as the *right* to rule regardless of your capacity. The latter unfortunately permeates democracy today.
No, it’s horrible.
Our system probably made perfect sense a couple hundred years ago.
The first thing we should do is come up with a modern voting system. There’s no reason why you should have to leave your living room in order to vote. And mail-in ballots are ripe with corruption.
Voting should be done via a smart device. (Like a tablet or smartphone )
In order to vote, you must be registered, and then download the voting app.
You will login with your name, Social Security number, fingerprint scan, facial recognition scan, pin number, password, and be able to answer the three secret questions you decided on when you registered.
You will have a 48 hour window to vote and then that’s it. At the end of the 48 hours the results of the elections will be shown.
It shouldn’t take three months to figure out who won.
If you don’t have a smart device, you will have to go down to the polling station and they will have smart devices you can use.
They will no longer be a lame excuse that proving who you are in order to vote is racist.
A representative republic sounds nice, but it doesn’t seem to be working. I believe that the Covid American rescue plan was $1 trillion. Americans got 10% of that. How did our representative republic represent us on that? Does the average voter only want 10%? Does the average voter really want millions of our Covid dollars to go to Pakistan for gender studies? How about millions of dollars to renovate Carnegie Hall? Where was our representative republic on that? I want the American taxpayers to do lots more referendum votes. The first thing will be voting on is term limits for politicians.
Nice idea. 👌
Mr. McCool, Estonia has been using smart technology to vote for the last 18 years!
"Estonia has allowed its citizens to vote online for national, local and European elections since 2005. Citizens can vote from anywhere – their homes, offices, or even while they are on vacation – using any of their personal devices: smartphones, laptops, tablets. When you think about the possibilities, online voting has the potential to be a great thing. It’s more convenient, the results should be more accurate, human mistakes could be avoided and counting would be easily repeatable. Nevertheless, many democratic countries see online voting as a taboo – and its potential still remains untapped."
Voting in person at a polling station sounds so admiral, but why should we stand in line for that?
As for referendum voting, let me give you an analogy...
In my state, the government was the only one allowed to sell hard booze. The thought was that ONLY the government workers were smart enough to handle booze sales. So if you wanted a little something to go in your Christmas eggnog, you had to driver across town and wait in line to make it happen.
So, for whatever reason... it was put up to a referendum vote! (the citizens got to decide! Imagine that. )
90% of the citizens voted for the government to get the fuck out of selling the booze!
So I ask you, Mr. McCool... if 90% of the voters wanted the government out of it, then how can we call ourselves a representative democracy? The representatives were only representing 10% of the voters?
Screw that! Let the voters decide what they want.
The only problem with a democracy, that I have, is when the overall population is low IQ. It's still the best system though.
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We started out with a constitutional republic. Before "the separation of church and state" which was coined by Jefferson to the 1803 Danbury Baptist convention in Danbury, Connecticut where he said that its not governments job to influence the church, but it is the responsibility of the church to influence the state.
Today its twisted to say "don't have after school bible study; but after school Satan programs are fine."
in the Federalist papers they hated democracy. At this point "for our democracy," really just sounds like its saying "we can't afford to lose our control over you so continue to vote for us so we can guarantee your destruction by praying to whatever pagan deity we see fit, and taking bribes from outsiders to sell your future out."
Ricky Gervais had fun making fun of these kinds of sick people at the one roasting of the awards show, look it up.
No because idiots have a say and can then outvote rationality.
However our republic might even be worse. In our republic our senators and representatives are supposed to be representing the will of the people. Instead they represent the will of lobbyists and the billionaire class who give them “campaign contributions.” We live in an oligarchy not a republic.
The USA is not a true democracy, it's a democratic republic, which is a reasonable implementation of a democracy. In a true democracy, everyone votes for everything, which is just no-doable when the population is more than a handful of people.
No, not exactly.. Too many people aren't informed on who they are voting for and vote dictators into power.. Do we live in a Constitutional Republic here in the states where we vote and are represented by people..
Not just no but hell no.
https://www.youtube.com/embed/tF7pJ8lZg7w@goaded People would vote "for better schools"... but we can't agree on what that means. Some want a minimalist DoEd and some want a "full fledged" government schooling agenda. Some want STEM only, some want gender studies or art history involved... bet there's a bunch of others. I just pulled that out my butt. Some people's ideal neighborhood has an HOA some won't touch it. SInce there's gotta be a defined end point that we're working towards and a cost estimate associated with it that hopefully is somewhat accurate. How many things got voted on until the costs ballooned and the people were like F this noise.
Democracy? No. Democracy is tyranny. A Constitutional representative republic where the representatives are democratically elected is better.
I don't understand the difference?
A democracy is majority rule. Our representatives are supposed to be cognizant of the needs of the minority and restricted in their power with checks and balances.
Take 'popular vote' vs. Electoral College. If we had a popular vote in this country, NY and CA would elect every president, leaving 48 states with wildly different needs in the lerch. The electoral college allows less populous states to have a say, so a presidential candidate, in theory, should also campaign to meet their needs in their states.
@Hispanic-Cool-Guy You don't understand the difference because there isn't one. A democratic republic is a form of democracy (as are the UK's parliamentary constitutional monarchy and Germany's Federal parliamentary republic). People trying to convice others that it's not don't even want that form of democracy. There isn't a country on the planet that uses pure direct democracy, and they know it.
You're exactly as right as usual. A representative democracy is a democracy. In fact, it's pretty much the only form of democracy ever used in practice.
Since a representative democracy is a democracy, the US is a democracy. You don't even have to take my word for it...
"We want democracy to survive for all generations to come, not to become the insolvent phantom of tomorrow."
Dwight D. Eisenhower, farewell address, 1961.
All those Republican presidents going back decades were wrong, completely deluded, when they talked about American democracy? You know better, of course!
"Our fathers and grandfathers who poured over the Midwest were self-reliant, rugged, God-fearing people of indomitable courage... They asked only for freedom of opportunity and equal chance. In these conceptions lies the real basis of American democracy. They and their fathers give a genius to American institutions that distinguished our people from any other in the world."
Herbert Hoover
@goaded
@gorydetails explained everything exactly correctly and is 100% right.
America is an oligarchy not a democracy and certainly not a republic. Our representatives do not care about the will of the people. They care only for corporate money, and lobbyists who provide them with “campaign contributions,” as well as a hand full of billionaires like Gates and Soros who really determine policy.
You like the term democracy because you are either 1. Completely indoctrinated and see the world through the glasses provided to you by your masters as you always tow whatever line they prescribe, or 2. A paid operative, just like a fact checker for FB who is on here to confuse the truth and keep confessing the false narrative those who really run things would have us believe.
You can only be one of the 2 because you are not dumb. So you’re either completely propagandized and unable to see the truth or you work on behest as a paid asset for those who would disseminate lies and propaganda.
Whichever it is I care not. There is a definite difference between a democracy and republic, they are not the same thing and most people know better.
Of course if America is not a democracy, then there could be no assault on our democracy on Jan 6th right? So you keep pushing the idea. That idiots taking selfies and wearing buffalo horns and war paint were committing a coups. While ignoring the police moving barricades, feds refusing to give testimony on the grounds of security, and the known fact that the crowd was loaded with federal agents who spurred on the crowd that day. Only the most hardcore nut jobs believe this now. Even Vivek Ramaswamy pointed this out in a recent presidential debate.
Whatever the case, whether you are merely brainwashed or an agent paid to spread lies on social media you need to do better with your misinformation as no one is really buying the establishment narrative anymore.
@goaded
If it were not an oligarchy, that wouldn’t change anything. Presidents at least are not democratically elected. The popular vote counts for noting for president. All that matters is the Electoral College vote.
So far as senators and representatives go, they need an average of about $12k a day for roughly 6 years to run. Where does that money come from? Small money donors? No. From big money donors and in turn representatives and senators vote and pass legislation in the interest of those who fund them only.
@Exterminatore @gorydetails LMFAO at you two. You disagree with each other, but won't even admit that. (And there are Representatives who got there on small money donors.)
@Exterminatore AOC, Bernie, probably a few more... Here are the 12 who got the majority of their campaign committee funding from small donors, afaics:
Bernie Sanders Senator (I - VT) 70.25%
Adam Schiff Representative (D - CA) 56.63%
Jim Jordan Representative (R - OH) 58.05%
Rand Paul Senator (R - KY) 50.93%
Val Demings Representative (D - FL) 52.87%
Elizabeth Warren Senator (D - MA) 53.46%
Kamala Harris Senator (D - CA) 73.87%
Matt Gaetz Representative (R - FL) 60.52%
Katie Porter Representative (D - CA) 55.61%
Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez Representative (D - NY) 67.67%
Jake Ellzey Representative (R - TX) 51.18%
Marjorie Taylor Greene Representative (R - GA) 68.32%
www.opensecrets.org/.../members-list
(Kamala Harris obviously didn't run for Senate in 2022.)
There are far too many who got practically nothing from small donations, on both sides, but these 12 at least show it can be done.
Let's start with the president who ended the history of peaceful transitions of power, tried to stay in the office of the presidency despite losing the election, and stole government documents and kept them hidden from the lawful authorities. Crimes against the entire United States.
(Oh, don't think I didn't notice that you didn't deny only "correcting" people who aren't on your side.)
Why not Bush torturing people? Or Clinton going into Bosnia to stop a genocide? Or Reagan ordering Iran-Contra?
Trump's crimes were only to benefit Trump. There's no patriotic excuse for being the first President to refuse to hand over power peacefully or to ignore the judgement of the courts and the states that certified the election that he lost.
Ever heard of "The buck stops here"? Nothing any previous US president has done has endangered the whole country, until Trump refused to accept electoral defeat. He's still doing it, decimating faith in the democratic system and checks and balances of the country. 9/11 couldn't stop elections, Pearl Harbor couldn't, even the Civil war didn't, but Trump and his seditious allies in the Republican party wanted to make them irrelevant.
Keep cheering on the end of your country, why don't you?
That's like asking why a bank still has money when the bank robbers got caught. Biden is in office because Trump failed in all his attempts to steal the presidency. The few semi-legal, and the many illegal. Now, he's preparing to try the same kind of attack on American democracy as before, but with more experience.
No, it's refusing to accept the results of a democratic election that you lost, hatching schemes to fraudulently claim you won while the votes were being counted, have lawyers make frivolous lawsuits in the courts, have liars fraudulently claim to be electoral voters for you in states you lost, and to try to influence state election officials and enlist Republican lawmakers to lie for you.
It doesn't hurt to have a mass of useful idiots like you, including some who will make death threats on the basis of Trump's lies. Many Republican lawmakers are going along with his shit because they're scared, not because they're stupid enough to believe it.
There are very few countries who have correct democracy system.
and USA is not one of them.
All delusionary election and con, doesn't mean anything thing.
I like it, if it worked the way it's SUPPOSED to work
I’d rather have Trump be President indefinately, than hold elections every 4 years
Yes, when it is run correctly
It's widely hypocritical
How so?
If you have an opinion that goes against the norm you are shut
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In an oligarchy there is no democracy
I don't like the fat guy with the fake hair
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