Is not it sign of higher intelligence to be empathetic and kind?

[LaFemmeFatale_1]

Because it means you are able to suppress your primal urges and animal instincts.

[Rosexøxø]

I love this question because females are usually the gender of the species of humans overall that pick up/ learn the language/ fundamentals of a basic understanding of others, and this does count as intelligence.

From a social point, some individuals would not want to include this as intelligence and that’s unfortunate. Also there are some in general- regardless of social and biological gender, that would not necessarily see how this fits into the spectrum of intelligence, and meanwhile it very much does.

There are some and (usually a higher number of males because of how we’re all brought up, but still, females are not excluded from this), who are higher in intelligence in the language of mathematics/ societal functions and dynamics like taxes/ repairs of tools/technologies/ and such as well as verbal language/ history/ economics/science and so on. Just because these individuals are adept in those areas of logic and intelligence and they value that, doesn’t mean this word empathy and the ideas surrounding it are not linked or are intelligence.

Not all women are excluded from other languages of learning. We can call them that: I. e. American Sign Language which doesn’t use verbal colloquialism/communication, machine learning used with A. I (artificial intelligence/ computer intelligence) and other things like such.

Even manipulating electricity ⚡️ and understanding it can be used hypothetically/ in this case, as described: a language.

They all require use of the senses- observation

and some type of mental processing/ understanding/ comprehension.

it can require the use of memory usage and recall. A mother sign and subcategory of intelligence.

What you’d really want to read about (to Confirm all of this or deny it, according to your personal judgement, but based on the recognized facts/ evidence of research):

IQ/ EQ /SQ /AQ

These are a more summarized/ simplified version of intelligence types.

Broken down into general and applicable groups, in some or most aspects of our lives, with other humans and other species, as well as other materials/tools/ forms of science, like the weather/ and technologies.

Others have explained it better than me who are certified and a few have responded better to this question than myself, but I can personally confirm empathy is a sign and a part of intelligence.

its just not a type of intelligence. These again are the types: eq/iq/aq/sq.

a web developer/ an English teacher/ and a person who is repairing a sink and another repairing a friend’s peace of mind and their dilemma. All use and require intelligence to make the situations positive/progressive. Except they all aren’t “types” of intelligence. They’re have observable signs like memory: empathy/ hand eye coordination/ precision/ manual dexterity/sympathy. These all are symptoms/signs of intelligence.

Coaching/ Socializing/ networking/ plumbing/ calculating/ rescuing/ processing

are all intellectual processes (I would say empathy is an intellectual process but still very much a “wholesome”/ good intentioned and GENUINE maneuver.

They’re processes and sub categories

other sub categories include the topics of learning. The different languages:

physics/ accounting/ sales/ marketing/ counseling/ manufacturing/ mathematics / arithmetic/ calculus/ geometry/ data analysis/ history/ geography so on

There’s better ways to divide these. Apologies for any confusion on my part (lol) I quickly typed all this around 5/6 am and I planned to go back to sleep. I should be more “clean” with this instead of lazy and sloppy but I wanted to answer the question. I found it interesting and will think more on it later as well.

Thanks for it femme fatale! 😊

[IslaTheWitch]

There are researches showing the correlation between higher intelligence and PSB (prosocial behavior). Highly intelligent children are more likely to develop higher levels of empathic skills because they are more sensitive to other people's emotional cues, and are better able to understand other people's thoughts and feelings. It says that the probability is higher for highly intelligent kids. Not that it's a rule. But it's like that for only "healthy" people. Any disorder breaks the correlation.

And it has nothing to do with suppressing your primal urges and animal instincts. It's about the ability to read the room.

[ChefPapiChulo]

[IslaTheWitch]

one of the sources I based on www.sciencedirect.com/.../S0160289618301466 it's a topic I'm very close to, as being autistic breaks the correlation. Autistic people are highly intelligent (verbal and non-verbal) and face social anxiety and interaction problems.

[ChefPapiChulo]

Okay I see. People who are more likely to get along with their peers progress in their careers faster. And since intelligent people learn quickly and understand complex ideas, they are more likely to catch the trend and be more prosocial. That doesn't mean they care about other people's feelings, rather they understand that being cooperative will help you succeed.

Han et al. (2012) have found that the positive effect of intelligence on PSB only exists in complicated tasks, but not in simple task

Also it's only associated with people doing complicated task.

[IslaTheWitch]

@ChefPapiChulo we have totally different understanding while reading the same document, lol

It is defined in the document what they understand as empathy: perspective taking, empathic concern, personal distress, fantasy, where empathic concern is "an emotional response of compassion and concern caused by witnessing someone else in need"

[ChefPapiChulo]

What is defined by that? The article talks about a lot of things. Be more specific.

[IslaTheWitch]

@ChefPapiChulo empathy "It is defined in the document what they understand as empathy"

[ChefPapiChulo]

"This study tries to identify empathy and moral identity, two important traits in moral psychology, as the potential mechanisms. Empathy refers to the capacity to share and understand the other person's emotional states or conditions, or the capacity to put oneself into the other person's position (Taylor, Eisenberg, Spinrad, Eggum-Wilkens, & Sulik, 2013). Empathy has been considered as a driving force of PSB (Habashi et al., 2016). Davis (1983) found that four components of empathy (perspective taking, empathic concern, personal distress, fantasy) showed distinctive patterns in predicting self-esteem, emotionality, and sensitivity to others, suggesting that their effects on PSB would also differ."

You mean this part? You said "It is defined in the document what they understand as empathy:" What is the "it" in your sentence?

Are you saying empathy is defined in the document what they understand as empathy? Because that doesn't hardly makes any sense.

[ChefPapiChulo]

because that hardly makes any sense*

[IslaTheWitch]

@ChefPapiChulo how they understand empathy is defined in the document. What you wrote, "That doesn't mean they care about other people's feelings, rather they understand that being cooperative will help you succeed." is nowhere to be found in the document. Empathy has a common understanding and matching definition in this document.

[IslaTheWitch]

Empathy refers to the capacity to share and understand the other person's emotional states or conditions, or the capacity to put oneself into the other person's position (Taylor, Eisenberg, Spinrad, Eggum-Wilkens, & Sulik, 2013). Empathy has been considered as a driving force of PSB (Habashi et al., 2016). Davis (1983) found that four components of empathy (perspective taking, empathic concern, personal distress, fantasy) showed distinctive patterns in predicting self-esteem, emotionality, and sensitivity to others, suggesting that their effects on PSB would also differ. Witnessing the problems of others may induce personal distress, a feeling of discomfort that is self-centered and motivates actions to remove this distress, and/or empathic concern (emotional component of empathy), an other-focused emotional reaction that motivates actions to fix the problems for the victim (Habashi et al., 2016). In addition, a cognitive component of empathy, perspective taking, can also facilitate PSB. Perspective taking is a process that people place themselves in the situations of others. Cognitive empathy may be more strongly conductive to PSB because it allows the perceiver to better empathize with the victim without personal distress (Einolf, 2012). These findings suggest that four components of empathy may facilitate prosocial engagement in different ways (Guo, Sun, & Li, 2018; Habashi et al., 2016).

[ChefPapiChulo]

"Intelligence can be defined as a general cognitive ability “to reason, plan, solve problems, think abstractly, comprehend complex ideas, learn quickly, and learn from experience” (Gottfredson, 1997, p. 13). Highly intelligent individuals are more competent in perceiving and interpreting situational cues, are better in reasoning and planning, are quicker in making proper decisions, and are more competent in figuring out which behaviors are more effective (Gottfredson, 1997). These abilities may be conductive to prosocial engagement because PSB requires accurate perception and understanding of the desires of the victim, and proper decisions that meet the need of the victim (Eisenberg et al., 2015; Han et al., 2012). PSB may be rewarding in the long run because it can be reciprocated directly and indirectly (Mohtashemi & Mui, 2003; Trivers, 1971). However, previous research has indicated that whether the long-term benefits of PSB can be appreciated depends on brainpower (Van Vugt & Hardy, 2010). This suggests that intelligence is associated with the motivation to act prosocially. Additionally, PSB is more likely to be used by highly intelligent individuals as costly signals to convey information about their unobservable qualities (e. g., social status, other desirable dispositions such as self-control) desired in a partner (Millet & Dewitte, 2007; Zahavi, 1977). It is suggested that a good reputation is beneficial for building good relationships with genetically unrelated individuals"

There were a lot of things mentioned in the article my friend.

[IslaTheWitch]

@ChefPapiChulo, it's about PBS, not empathy specifically... empathy is a part of PBS

[ChefPapiChulo]

"Furthermore, highly intelligent individuals are better able to think through the costs of immoral acts (e. g., loss of reputation, eroded self-images), and resist the temptation to misbehave (Ruffle & Tobol, 2017). This may be responsible for their greater concern for reputation (Millet & Dewitte, 2007). Consistent with this proposition, Ruffle and Tobol (2017) found a positive association between cognitive ability and honesty both in Israeli soldiers and civilians."

The article is also trying to draw a correlation. It's now showing it.

"Previous literature suggests that the association between intelligence and PSB has not been soundly established. Adopting a more comprehensive prosocial measure may throw new light on this issue."

[IslaTheWitch]

@ChefPapiChulo again, it's about PBS, the question is about empathy, which part of PBS

Highly intelligent children are more likely to develop higher levels of empathic skills because they are more sensitive to other people's emotional cues, and are better able to understand other people's thoughts and feelings (Hay, Gross, Hoekman, & Rogers, 2007; Lovecky, 2009). Developmental studies further indicate that the capacity to appreciate other people's emotional states develops with maturation of executive function, language, and mentalizing abilities (Decety & Svetlova, 2012; Eisenberg et al., 2015).

[ChefPapiChulo]

"The purpose of this study is to examine whether there is an association between intelligence and prosocial behavior (PSB), and whether this association is mediated by empathy and moral identity."

Pay close attention to the word examine and the whether. It's not drawing a correlation, rather it's trying to explain why intelligent people (people participating in complex tasks) are more likely to display pro-social behavior.

[IslaTheWitch]

@ChefPapiChulo But still, there are other studies mentioned. And from them, you can get a lot of information.

[ChefPapiChulo]

Yes, it's there, but it's an article meaning there is a larger picture. It would be like creating a puzzle and missing a majority of the pieces by ignoring what else is being said. How can you know what the finished puzzle would look like if you didn't have those pieces?

And please don't say by looking at the puzzle box.

[IslaTheWitch]

@ChefPapiChulo those are the results of research done in 2007 and 2009. They are cited here as a confirmation, but they also have value in themselves.

[ChefPapiChulo]

Ah, true.

[RandomUser1000]

Most things have pros and cons.

Being too empathic can mean you more easily get hurt and some people may mistake kindness for weakness.

So it can be a vulnerability.
Though if you surround yourself with other people who are empathic, then they shouldn't try to take advantage of it.

On the other hand being completely void of empathy and not caring or even taken pleasure in others suffering is essentially the description of a psychopath.

I guess the best is to have some healthy balance where you can care for others but it's not to the point that you can't live a normal life.

[jshm2]

No. Because there is no proven link to such urges and "instincts"

Some people are just shit at self control, others are too strong. Some are apathetic, and other just pathetic.

Empathetic and kind people tend not to last too long.

[LaFemmeFatale_1]

I doubt that… I was once elected as a president of a certain organization because everybody trusted me… The 2nd candidate stopped participating because he knew he had no chance of being elected.

That’s a strength.

I left the position because my interest was never actually being a president, my interest was the quest of becoming a president.

[TenderFantasy]

To be honest with you, I think emotions are basic. People just try to make it more complicated than it has to be. Also, I think they are separate. There is such a thing as EQ and there's also IQ. IQ can actually be improved if you read more. However, I think it is also tied to how much you can do logic (common sense) and deductive reasoning, etc. I say that emotions are more simple is because it's one of the first things we humans evolved with. If we did not have it, we would have died out long ago in my opinion. If you were not scared of the lion that has plans to eat you, then you will stay there and not run away. . Fear is good and fear is for survival. You will not know the difference between someone who wants to hurt you physically or someone who wants to hug you. You'll have the same reaction or NO reaction and that wouldn't be good for your survival, not at all.

[KittyKat90210]

I'm not sure it's due to intelligence. I've seen animals act very kind to each other. I suppose some animal species are intelligent, though :)

[HawkPerception]

No. That's emotional intelligence, which is a part of overall intelligence. Intelligence is more of a broad concept. It encompasses how quickly you can understand concepts and apply them, how well you can communicate, how creative you are, how adaptable you are, how good your analytical skills are, how curious are you, etc.

[Sharkstealth]

I highly doubt it has anything to do with it. Generally highly intelligent people are outcasts because they are highly intelligent and most are either jealous or embarrassed by them. Hence bullying. This may actually cause them to be more empathetic but it may also cause withdrawal.

[spartan55]

It is a sign of higher emotional intelligence. Overall intelligence is broader.

[007kingifrit]

no , infact often it is the dumber people who are empathetic , they only think about short term kindness like "wah everyone should have a house"

not the higher empathy of "someone has to build that house and it would be unfair to demand i take care of people who contribute to society"

thus we see that both pro and anti homeless arguments are grounded in empathy the question is... is it lower short term empathy or higher long term empathy?

[TallAnon]

Empathy is also an instinct, animals have empathy.
Helping people isn't always a good thing to do, to give an extreme example; Helping the hard working nazi because he seems too busy.. Not a great choice.
Knowing when to show kindness would be wisdom, which is much more important for this conversation, in my opinion.
Intelligence is just pattern recognition and application.

[msc545]

You don't really have to suppress anything to be kind and empathic. You mostly just have to be culturally evolved and well-educated and have had a civilized and decent upbringing. Empathy is a very complicated characteristic that doesn't occur to its full extent and most people in western culture.

[msc545]

Where is the substantial amount of research that indicates that intelligence and empathy tend to be highly correlated such that very intelligent people tend to have much higher levels of adaptive behavior specifically due to better problem solving abilities involving others, which in turn is due to their high level of empathy. That said, it is also clear that despite the correlation intelligence and empathy do not clearly cause each other but instead go vary in an adaptive fashion.

[Anonymous]

No. It’s just a matter of control. Intelligence by definition is dealing with the mental. The ability to acquire knowledge. What you are talking about it feeling. That’s a self control issue, not an intellect issue. Men and women (mainly men) who have primal tendencies are usually better leaders and get things done like infrastructure and war.

[slatyb]

I wouldn't call it a sign of intelligence, it's a sign of being raised by kind people. Humans aren't the only animals that display empathy. We've seen it in other primates, elephants, and cetaceans.

[Siri137]

No, that has more to do with upbringing, background, and general character. I fail to see how intelligence fits in here.

[normalice]

Indeed. The Governor of Illinois recently said as much in a graduation speech. It was.. unexpected to hear it coming from a governor.

[DagonbroughtMehere]

No, it is however a sign of Parental/Maternal instinct.

[AmeerX]

If you think of the greater good and of others then yes, I feel it's a sign of intelligence.

Being clever means you are intelligent but only think about yourself.

Being empathetic means you think of others and community as a whole

[sawno]

I agree with you, but thats also because my instincts are mostly overridden at this point.

[Rangers]

No, I find those who are overly emotional are unintelligent and unable to accept how cruel the world is through the sheltered life they've lived

[Zestyassmf1997]

I wouldn’t say so. Intelligence can be used to be unkind.

[ChefPapiChulo]

No, not really, there is almost no correlation. You are confusing emotional intelligence with actual intelligence.

[Rosexøxø]

I liked a lot of your back and forth and citations with @islathewitch and it’s all very interesting. Grateful for this question as well @LaFemmeFatale_1

But @chefpapichulo I love your take and persistence and I wanted to add a comment somewhere in the midst of all this and in addition to without taking away from what was said before and asked before by each. I think Eq is acknowledgeable. A term. It correlates as the types of intelligence. It’s not just these but Eq, Iq, aq, and sq.

These are the main 4 types of intelligent Quotients.

They all actually correlate because of their connectivity to intelligence in the human brain.

They require decision making and understanding. Processing and recall.

Even though reading social cues and making responses with people is on a social network/plane. It still requires deep thought/concentration/learning/processing.

Aside from this point and in addition to the arguments/claims/stand points/persoective made here in my comment,

It takes some type of knowledge while dealing with others and I count this as intelligence myself. Just like other things require knowledge. Just because someone learns about electricity and the functions, effects, and safety/hazards associated with that doesn’t mean it doesn’t count as intelligence. It’s in its own topic of information and that requires intelligence. I feel like empathy can be included into intelligence overall because I see it as its own topic of information as well. It’s just less tangible or materialistic. It’s more inference/imagining/and observing from the physical responses of the body associated with the other person we may be talking to. Eq can include noticing their stress levels like: increased heart rate/ physical perspiration/ fidgeting maneuvers.

[Rosexøxø]

These physical observations one can make can also be grouped/combined with the context of information they present to us. Like a scenario and it may have some variable in that, in which we can infer to be the stressor- the thing or species that caused the other person we interacted with stress.

In that case of stress we can infer how they would be feeling or the typical train of thought “that was scary.” On and on (lol).

We can then create some visual image of that stressor- recognize the dilemma if it is still happening or so, and want to help that individual solve their problem.

All of this inferences/ processing/ visualizing/ and thinking to help alleviate the issue and help with their emotions to return to a state of calm and their body to a calm state as well- requires and makes use of the functions/factors/components of intelligence.

This is what I feel.

Aside from what I feel and tying in the earlier aforementioned-

Eq is a part of Intelligence overall for someone before me already divided them into 4 main/core, distinctive, independent, and respectable groups, known as:

Eq/ Iq/ Sq/ Aq

[Rosexøxø]

@chefpapichulo I appreciated your perseverance and attempt to establish the true distinction between eq /iq and the subcategory of eq which is empathy. They all can be understood in similar situations simultaneously and are all part of a higher *understanding*

Definitely not the same, and use different approaches and parts of the brain but still very much part of the brain.

Those with social learning handicaps or other are still intelligent but among other things they can process easier. Just like some process math better than writing or history. Meanwhile some struggle with dyslexia in writing but and are fluent speakers. Adept speakers, but they lack comprehension or awareness of others levels of stress/trauma/ anxiety/ excitement and so on.

We can’t just jumble and mix everything together though, so your commitment as well as Isla’s to use and quote information (even from the same source) was noted and appreciated because each category deserves respect and while we may readily see the comparisons, it’s important to recognize their independent differences.

[Rosexøxø]

@islathewitch I appreciated your well thought and formed comment with the great use of citation and information. Sometimes it’s difficult for us to acknowledge that empathy falls under eq and thus it is far but directly related with intelligence and i think your comment did a great job of demonstrating that. You also equally responded well as chef papi and interacted respectably and still firmly grounded in logical thinking and stable information from other researches and studies.

I appreciated both comments and your conversation with each other.

Helped me realize more on this topic. Thank you 🙏

[ChefPapiChulo]

@Rosexøxø you wrote way to much. But emotional intelligence is not IQ. And they are not correlated. There's also no evidence to support this 4 intelligence theory that you're talking about. When you take an IQ test, they don't care if you can understand why the person next to you is crying, although, an intelligent person might be able to figure it out because they are better problem solvers.

[Rosexøxø]

@chefpapichulo I wonder if you’d say that if I quoted a bunch of texts about iq alone or something more technical.

Tbh, I shared my contribution and if you think it overwhelming that’s fine by me. If you think of it as irrelevant or wrong and you disagree that’s fine by my me.

Iq is a type of intelligence and so is eq. Empathy is what a person does while operating under eq it’s a PROCESS of eq.

It is still intelligence. As if you just look at a person who is mentally challenged they will not be able to even talk to you or do sign language either and they will not understand your emotions nor anything you try to teach them for example like software development.

An iq test has been bad mouthed by some educated people and high iq people as well.

Those same iq tests will not give you things or info/ questions on autopsy or pilot and aviation tests

But aviation and driving a car as well as English and reading social cues from others requires intelligence

You chose to use crying and say no one cares but you misunderstand eq as well.

A good fighter can use eq to understand when a person is a threat. So can a psychologist/ a trained police officer/ a government behavioral analyst/ a military personnel who is trained in that as well.

Basically it’s called behavioral analysis.

Eq and our physical responses to situations is identifiable/ observable.

This requires intelligence.

Just like wildlife biologists and zoologists also learn the behaviors of animals and that requires learning and intelligence.

[Rosexøxø]

Have you ever seen a question about behavior/ environment/ climate or any of that on an iq test?

Iq test is a test with some basic written tests/ mathematic tests/ pattern tests/ and it tests our retention and recall as well- a person which Alzheimer’s will probably score low or fail an iq test.

Just because it’s not on the test and easy for you to read and point your finger to doesn’t mean it’s not a type or process from that type of intelligence.

If you disagree with any of what I just said, I won’t argue any further, nor compliment because you disrespected my point of discussion/ my response/ my previous compliments/ my expression here and how I organized my claims, and you disagree with what I actually believe to be true and know to be true because of my level of inference, what I’ve read and researched, and what I’ve gathered and concluded.

I won’t call you wrong for what you’ve said, but you missed a lot what’s common sense and easily observable, but you’re mistaken for not including eq as a type of intelligence and not understanding how empathy correlates with eq.

There are also eq tests…

There’s myer briggs tests.

There’s driving tests

There’s physical fitness tests

There’s pilot tests

There’s rescue drills

And safety drills

I would say these all require some level of intelligence

[Rosexøxø]

As again, a mentally challenged person would not be able to comprehend, recall, or adequately perform in any of these tests.

They specialize and certify different things just like an electrician and an accountant may fail tests for the other one’s profession, but it doesn't mean either of them are not intelligent. It requires different categories of intelligence. It’s all intelligence and intelligence is a deep/ complex topic in and of itself.

Breaks down and expands into these smaller and wider/ various categories. I enjoyed your exchange earlier with Isla, and your contribution to the question, but again, I say you’re wrong for not including Eq with iq, or agreeing that empathy is a process and thus a part of intelligence.

I’m done in this exchange and I’ve gotten everything I needed and learned. Apologies if you can’t get past this or master this for now.

[Rosexøxø]

@chefpapichulo sorry if I gave you any trouble or you felt harassed or trolled by my replies to your comment. I’m done replying or commenting on your original post and didn’t think you’d receive it so harshly and disagree with my claims.

I won’t respond here on out and I’ll avoid your other comments to give you and myself that peace of mind.

Hopefully you gain anything/ something from all of the matter and question itself (food for thought).

I did. I gained from the whole experience and I’ll see myself out now. As I don’t see it being productive if I continue here.

Best to you

[ChefPapiChulo]

@Rosexøxø Yes I would respond better to something more technical.

[OtterMan68]

no, there have been many evil sociopaths and many kind mentally challenged people

[disgustingweebtrash]

Not really. EQ and IQ are completely different.

[NathanDavis]

it's a sign of emotional intelligence...

[DJB72]

EQ Vs IQ. Not sure.

[elaphe]

Emotional intelligence, yes.

[love_conquers_lust]

I hope so.

[jahaims]

The opposite