What’s up with politics?

[OddBeMe]

Take Ohio. Trump won by 10%, probably will again this year.

But Ohio voted by over 14% margin to put abortion rights into its state’s constitution. And legalized marijuana.

Why do they vote for candidates that vow to take that shit away?

[Juxtapose]

Trump never said he would take away abortion as far as I know, he said he would leave it to the states.

His policies on drugs are abhorrent to me. He would kill drug dealers if the American people would accept it but he understands they won't. I think all drugs should be legal as long as you're not using them on the road, in front of your kids, etc.

But as a person living in Ohio, I am definitely going to vote for Trump. He's far more intelligent and coherent than Joe Biden and did wonderful things like institute the remain in Mexico policy, not start any new wars and so on.

[OddBeMe]

And the deranged voter is shown…

[Juxtapose]

You?

[OddBeMe]

www.pbs.org/.../

[Juxtapose]

Irrelevant to this discussion.

[OddBeMe]

No they’re literally reviving it to issue a national anti abortion law.

[Juxtapose]

The Republicans are lucky they still have support after leaving abortion to the states. If they have a federal abortion ban? They will never get elected again.

It's political suicide.

[OddBeMe]

You think that…but then they keep electing a thrice married former Democrat, Hollywood reality star, who illegally paid hush money to a porn star. And still think he’s Jesus returned.

[Juxtapose]

I really don't care about ad hominem attacks. JFK was a scumbag who cheated on his wife but he was still a good president in most people's eyes. Bill Clinton got head in the oval office but people still love him.

And frankly I don't believe any allegations put forth against Trump. In reality a small percentage of them are probably true but it's just so much garbage I throw it all out.

[OddBeMe]

It’s not ad hominem If it’s the fucking point. Right wingers are so bent on purity but elect bullshitters.

It’s actually quite understandable psychology wise,

[Juxtapose]

I don't think people voting for Trump really give a shit dude. They just want their wallet to stop hemorrhaging money and they want the border to be secure. Those are voter priorities.

[OddBeMe]

And again, they’re swayed by cultish behavior allowing Trump to double the deficit giving billionaires tax cuts instead of them.

[Juxtapose]

It's awfully ironic that you talk about the economy with how high inflation is under Biden.

[OddBeMe]

Yes I wish we moved against Covid a lot sooner. But what can you do when half the voters are a cult.

[Juxtapose]

Strange, that's how I felt about the people wearing masks and getting government sponsored shots every few months.

[OddBeMe]

Well mask wearers have science and surgeons on their side…you fucks have…qanon.

[OddBeMe]

Just a side Q: why are these doctors wearing masks:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lHVE4MbfZ6I

[Juxtapose]

Cloth masks are not effective against airborne viruses. They are only effective against water droplets.

If you want full protection, you need an N95.

[OddBeMe]

And that’s what the cdc and who said as well. Glad you’re on the same page.

And if masks work for surgeons that should be enough evidence to use them in a worldwide pandemic.

[Juxtapose]

You're not supposed to wear N95s for very long because of Cardiopulmonary Stress.

The masks that the public were encouraged to wear were useless against pretty much anything but water droplets.

[Juxtapose]

It was a dog and pony show, theater. Politicians would put on their masks right before the camera started rolling and then they would take them right back off after the feed was cut off.

The 6-ft rule? Originally the establishment wanted it to be 10 ft but then corporations complained so they reduced it to 6 ft. Very scientific xD

For young people especially, the lockdowns themselves did more damage than the virus ever could to them.

[OddBeMe]

No science that prevents people from wearing masks. None.

[Juxtapose]

No, Cardiopulmonary Stress is a thing. You are not supposed to wear a N95 mask for a prolonged of time.

[OddBeMe]

It’s got nothing to do with masks. Especially n95s. Anti maskers tried that and failed. Hilariously.

[Juxtapose]

jamanetwork.com/.../2805809

[OddBeMe]

Firstly, very good of you for linking to Jama. I will demure to its findings.
Which, secondly, studies masks over a 14 hour usage including exercise.

So I’ll restate. There is NO breathing issue wearing a mask for grocery shopping for an hour and a half.

[Juxtapose]

Well stores can force employees to wear them for awhile and even 90 minutes effects you. All over a virus with a low fatality rate unless you're ill and/or old.

[Juxtapose]

You like Jama huh? They seem pretty good so far. The people working on it had good creds.

[OddBeMe]

Low fatality rate of millions…lol
https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/data/mortality

[OddBeMe]

Yeah science magazine like jama or Johns Hopkins cuts its teeth well. Unlike say, a YouTuber.

[Juxtapose]

Careful of the appeal to authority logical facilicy. A redneck with a shitty webcam is still right when he days 2+2=4.

I mean the actual fatality rate. My chances to die were very low. If I was ever infected I didn't notice. If you're old or vulnerable then yeah, isolate until it blows over. I wouldn't use mRNA tech personally, it's too young and Fauci had a conflict of interest.

[Juxtapose]

*says

Autocorrect or somethin'

[OddBeMe]

Your chances to die. Not the old guy in front of you at check out.

Jesus, it’s been years we’ve argued over this…

[Juxtapose]

That's why the elderly needed support rather than forcing some bs. Pay for the delivery fee to the elderly a certain amount per month and slash the military budget. Also keep interest payment increases under control.

[Juxtapose]

I enjoy it!

[OddBeMe]

Sure and private businesses can tell anti maskers to get lost.

[Juxtapose]

Retailers actually had policies of non-enforcement of mask mandates, employees were to say nothing. Why? Americans got too violent and corporations (justifiably so) don't wanna touch that with a long pole.

I support non-violent protests unless you are attacked then of course defend thyself protester!

[OddBeMe]

Funny how mask mandates eases as more people got vaxxed.

[Juxtapose]

They can take that poison all they want but I will fight to the death to never take mRNA tech into my body.

ONLY conventional vaccines with decades upon decades of testing.

[OddBeMe]

No actually. Every single vaccine was created for an immediate use and administered immediately to stem whtever pandemic was happening, fucking moron.

Your scientific metric for vaccines is incredibly high but for shit you hate you have no metric at all.

[Juxtapose]

I have only taken vaccines with a proven track record, I am too smart!

It's going INTO my body.. of course I am cautious.

[OddBeMe]

Didn’t say you shouldn’t be. But when overwhelming virologists and FDA says this will keep you from dying…I’d say do it.

And bodily autonomy: if you don’t want to.. fine. But you ain’t going into public grocery stores.

[Juxtapose]

How are stores gonna determine if I am vaccinated or not? HIPPA protects my medical records.

[OddBeMe]

Luckily it didn’t get to “papers please”. Masks and social distancing were enough.

And to prove it: look up Sturgis Motorcycle Rally versus BLM protest. Same day, one group had masks, another didn’t. Guess the outcome.

[Juxtapose]

"Papers please" would be served up with a lawsuit. HIPPA protects my privacy. You can't deny me service for my medical history which you can't even ask for.

Didn't BLM get their shit kicked in?

[OddBeMe]

Funny schools get away with it demanding kids get vaxxes.

[Juxtapose]

In all 50 states there is medical exemptions and in 48 of those states you have religious and philosophical exemptions.

[OddBeMe]

Ehhh…. i would highly doubt a school would allow an unvaxxed child into their ranks…but whatevs.

Again, bodily autonomy. But the school has a right to demand vaccines.

[Juxtapose]

I was off but here:

"No U. S. federal vaccination laws exist, but all 50 states have laws requiring children attending public school to be vaccinated against diphtheria, tetanus, and pertussis (generally in a DTaP vaccine); polio (an IPV vaccine); measles and rubella (generally in an MMR vaccine); and varicella (chickenpox). All 50 states allow medical exemptions, 45 states allow religious exemptions, and 15 states allow philosophical (or personal belief) exemptions. D. C. allows medical and religious exemptions."

So yeah, all but 5 states allow non-medical exemptions.

[Juxtapose]

And people have the right to be exempt cus sky daddy.

[OddBeMe]

It better be a damn good reason for not getting your kid the medical necessities. Religion ain’t it.

[Juxtapose]

Good thing that is NOT up to you!

[OddBeMe]

Magic sky men should have no bearing on medical recommendations.

[Juxtapose]

And the government should have no power to withhold shit from people because they don't wanna take a medicine.

We are citizens, not PETS or slaves.

[OddBeMe]

The public health is a ABSOLUTELY the governments job to regulate. Dont want to participate? Stay out of the PUBLIC.

[Juxtapose]

Yeah nah man that's too authoritarian. The federal government is not even supposed to have the type of power it has right now, it's supposed to mostly intervene if states are having issues or states are violating federally guaranteed rights.

[Juxtapose]

But luckily this is America and if I wanted to? I could walk around with zero vaccines and still enter public life.

I have the old school vaccines with the proven track record but given what the government has done? I'm not going to be taking any new ones.

[OddBeMe]

If the pandemic is getting better. Which it is under Biden.

[Juxtapose]

There is no pandemic.

[CaptainSmartass]

Politics is fucked up. Has been for years.

Simples...

[OddBeMe]

I didn’t expect a smartass answer from you of all people. Lol

[OddBeMe]

Such a smartsss.

[normalice]

Republicans control the media. So people want democratic policies but not democrats, because the media works overtime to keep people brainwashed into thinking "democrat" is a derogatory term.

[OddBeMe]

That does seem true.

[Cheapskate]

I think because Trump appeals to quite a lot of young voters? The whole meme thing, all the young men you see online who support him. So they probably also like weed. And are not that fussed about abortion. He was never a typical GOP candidate.

[OddBeMe]

Yet he’s promising to undo all that shit. Are young people stupid?

[ProbablyClueless]

Because they recognize the difference between federalized abortion rights versus the states' rights to choose for themselves.

[OddBeMe]

Which can be overridden by federal law.

[ProbablyClueless]

Not in this case, no. The constitution doesn't grant the police power to Federal Congress; it grants it to the states. In terms of the supremacy of federal law, there isn't really any body of law that Congress has power over that would give them the ability to preempt state laws.

In the US system, as things presently stand, the most the federal government can do to enshrine the right to an abortion is what they did with Roe; declare that women have the right to unhindered access the abortion services made available to them by their state.

[OddBeMe]

It can fought out in the courts. But yes federal laws can be used to override states law. Repubs are reviving a 19th century sexual purity law.
www.pbs.org/.../

[ProbablyClueless]

The difference is that the federal laws are legislating around abortion through things like interstate commerce, but they aren't legislating the act of abortion itself. In each of the examples of that article, the cases are pertaining to things like the First Amendment right to communicate information about contraceptives; that was the basis for Comstock.

It's really difficult to guarantee the right to an abortion on the Federal level because there's no enumerated basis for Congress to write the legislation. It's not a question of taxing/spending. It's not a question of interstate commerce. The extent to which abortion laws are "necessary and proper" is already covered by the Hyde Amendment, which protects women in the event that the abortion is medically necessary or if she's the victim of a sex crime.

[OddBeMe]

Don’t you wish our legislatures would focus on jobs and economy? Bean sized fetuses don’t seem worth this shit. But that’s me…

[ProbablyClueless]

Yeah, I would vastly prefer that. This country spends a lot of time getting sucked down such trivial rabbit holes.

[Sevenpointfive]

you do realize that regardless of state law, federal law trumps it always regardless of that caveat

[OddBeMe]

Yes and no. Courts are very politized. Or else Texans would have Obamacare.

[Sevenpointfive]

thankfully you live here with me.

[OddBeMe]

Well we have the highest uninsured rate in America. And despite our glowing business record, we can’t make budget surplus ever. We’re a red state in the red just like the rest of the Bible Belt.

America would be better off if the old confederate states seceded again.

[Sevenpointfive]

that's not a hope or dream. it could be the future. the current climate is making that reality. civil war is coming. it's different this time but you'd be glad we have our 2nd amendment you so hate lol. i wonder if it happens before or after trump?

[OddBeMe]

Crossed fingers! No more of my tax money going to red states! That would be fantastic.

NY and Cali controlling each side of the country, the dead states in the middle turning into mad max wasteland for our pleasure.

[Sevenpointfive]

yes. and your people control them. i would do well in a wasteland. all i gotta do is go east or west lol

[OddBeMe]

Well you know a libtard who will vouch for you. The secret password is Fedelio.

[Sevenpointfive]

trump is on your side. i don't trust him. i think conservatives are scrambling and confused. i seriously worry for our future

[Anonymous]

Sigh. Spreading lies and casting shade about your boyfriend again, I see. 🙄

[dustybiker2]

It's all a game. Just pettier in modern times.

[Snakeyes7]

Probably because abortion is all Biden has.