Both, really. Once Hitler got the power to pass laws without input from the parliament, it took just a few months to eliminate elections and opposition parties. This would be a similar misstep.
typical liberal poll both poll option serve democrats.
the fact anti trump used this method showed they failed to find any real flaw.
also in this trump is right with a good reason because we can't have "presidents too scared to make decisions just in case political enemy" the way people today get censored and feel bullied not to write about 2 "protected groups" that i can't naming.
@strateguy632 “ …. we can't have "presidents too scared to make decisions just in case political enemy.” And this has been a worry for every American President for generations? Or is it really only a problem for one?
Come on man look at the hush money case for example. They're saying that him paying some whore to not talk about fucking him is somehow election interference?
That's bullshit. I'm sorry but that is absolute nonsense. Even if Joe Biden paid a friend to not talk about how he made a racist joke or something, that is perfectly fine. A candidate is not required to reveal literally everything about their life and their entire past. Yes, even presidential candidates can keep secrets.
A) is forgot business documents during an election and using campaign cash illegally not worth a trial? If it were Obama you’d be calling for a lynch mob. B) Did he not ask his party cronies to “find” votes after he lost the election? Illegal. No trial tho?
One of the trials is being led by someone who campaigned on locking Trump up. But yeah sure, go ahead and pretend that they will be impartial and that this is not a complete bastardization of justice. You should be ashamed of yourself.
That is true. A president hasn’t been as criminal and we have never held one to account. Even the tea pot dome scandal was swept under the rug, along with watergate. Fuck Ford and his pardon.
Doesn't change the fact that all of this is politically motivated against Trump, it is unique and not for the right reasons. Campaigning to go against the prime political rival of the president in lawfare is election interference.
You should be anti-mainstream media by default just as a matter of basic intelligence. Corporate media outlets are explicitly extensions of the state to anyone who pays attention.
I am not alt right, you just don't know what a classical liberal is because you are a social liberal who is uneducated on that subject.
The language you speak came from somebody else. Therefore you lack originality. See how dumb that is?
I’d be against any non-democratized (or vocal freedom) period. You know how many gag orders are issued in the US? Much more than NZ. I’m quite sure their record on journalism is better than ours,
Nobody should be above the law, but that’s not what he’s talking about. He’s talking about political persecution. It doesn’t matter what party holds the figurehead at any given time. Reasonable people will never run for office again. They’re reshaping the system to suit tyrants exclusively. Then all you idiots are gonna act surprised when we have nothing but tyrants in the presidency. Ell oh ell!
He's talking about "Full immunity" from the law, which nobody should ever have. That's a king or a warlord, not a president. Immunity is what attracts tyrants, not being held responsible for their actions.
It's utter bullshit that "Reasonable people will never run for office again" because they don't intend to commit crimes while in office.
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If a president has to second guess every decision and has to be afraid the opposing party will charge him for actions he took while in office he would end up being as feckless and ineffective as Joe Biden has been for the last 4 years.
So Biden should be legally entitled to have Trump hanged from the Statue of Liberty?
Trump doesn't want immunity for actions taken as president in the interests of the country, he wants immunity for all the grifting, lies, stolen documents, and attempted coup.
@OddBeMe there is plenty of proof and it was never investigated. How can you have more ballots than there are registered voters? It happened in more than one district but nobody cared.
Go after Obama for bombing an American citizen in a country we aren't at war with then, I dare you.
That is the only way I won't know you aren't just talking out of your ass about condemning a president for *allegedly* using immunity to get away with something.
Good I hope it happens but I am not holding my breath. And while you're at it, throw AL Gore, John Kerry and Hillary Clinton along with them for questioning the results of their respective elections.
Sure. As long as they got due process I am all for it. GW Bush should also be tried for the Patriot Act as it is a blatant violation of the 4th. It also needs to be abolished.
Hell, abolish income tax too. One could argue that for however percentage the mafia takes, you were nothing but a slave to them and is, therefore, a violation of the 13th.
There's an infinite variation between a president being held responsible for crimes committed in the country's best interests (some spying, hacking, etc., for example) and making it impossible to hold a president responsible for any crime. Do you want the president to be legally allowed to eat babies alive?
How would you set that in advance? Why couldn't courts and juries, like pornography, "know it when they see it"? Killing terrorists acceptable (even with collateral damage), eating babies alive bad.
No other president has had this problem, even the ones (both Republican) that authorised torture or exchanging weapons for hostages.
It's a new era, so start over take everything that could be criminalized and set a benchmark, it's crossed and that's it So torture would be over the line as would engaging with dodgy regimes/governments i. e. Your PFP or self enrichment for a start
@OddBeMe Say what you like about Reagan and Thatcher, but they believed in democracy and the rule of law. If you didn't like their policies you could vote them out of office.
@OddBeMe expect the current liberals are literally destroying society with their degeneracy and backwards policies. You people hate the Constitution and the bill of rights
Covid was never even a big fucking deal. Our rights were violated for a flu variant that our government helped create then lied about it and got away with it. Inflation is terrible, you fools think the new 3.5% is good, it's not because you don't understand basic data. It's based on last year which was very high. Our inflation since the end of covid is close to 24% and things like groceries are much higher. Houses have become more expensive and won't cheapen because the rates are way higher now so it doesn't make sense to sell.
You people are allowing illegals into the country and fighting states from protecting their borders. You are illegally flying disgusting criminals into the country. My taxes are literally paying for police details 24/7 because the Hatians that took over the hotel average over one 911 call a day because you liberal sanctuary cities which should be illegal. You think men can be women and think it should be enforced if we say it "incorrectly". You people literally hate the Constitution and the bill of rights and bring in immigrants and cater to the stupid and minorities to stay in power at the expense of everyone else. Trump lied sure, but Biden lies like crazy too and he doesn't even know he is because he's senile. Your president is actively trying to ignore the supreme Court so he can cancel student loans to earn more of the "educated" vote. I have 2 degrees by the way and I'm a vet I'm far from uneducated on this shit
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