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Pretty simple question. Obviously I am against it but I want to know what you guys think.
Only losers demand respect and those who set themselves to failure demand respect. Respect only has it's meaning by earning respect.
Respect is earned, its not a right
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Absolutely not.
You would have crazy people pressing charges like crazy.
Some feminists would claim it disrespectful to look at or talk to them.
Animal rights advocates would claim it disrespectful to eat a burger in front of them.
LGBTQ activists would claim it disrespectful to be unsupportive of their insane agenda.
Social justice warriors would want to arrest comedians for making insensitive jokes.
BLM activists would claim it disrespectful to hire white people.
Zionists would claim it disrespectful to support Palestinians.
Democrats would claim it disrespectful to criticize their candidates.
Religious nuts would claim it disrespectful to oppose prayer in schools.
The government would arrest anti war activists for "disrespecting our troops".
Chest pounding patriots would claim it disrespectful to not stand with your hand over your heart for the Star Spangled Banner.
Some people would be offended by those Americans who celebrate their cultural roots.
Fuck butt hurt snowflakes on both the right and the left. Let them hide in their "safe spaces" and cry over being disrespected. Some people deserved to be mocked and ridiculed.
I support free speech and have no respect for ideologues and those who lack the sophistication to deal with it.
All good point except the one about Palestine
"Respect" per se- genuine HONEST respect- can't be "legislated". (Or are we just going to rehash "1984" ? ). Oh, sure, a law can be passed that states that someone can't call someone else a "poopyhead" in public or else risk incarceration. But, they will still THINK that the other is a "poopyhead", they just won't be able to express that honest feeling in public.
True respect has to be earned, and is given- honestly- only by others who have been brought up to give it. Both sides of this simple equation are sadly lacking in our society today.
Given how much I have to deal with disrespect, I'm tempted to say yes... but the answer is still no. It's a problem for the society to deal with internally, there's no need to give the state even more excuses to control the citizens, especially given how much of an inexact science the concept of respect is. I personally fancy the Wild West idea of firearm-enforced mutual respect. Let's make guns easily available, lifting all restrictions on their acquisition and find out how long it takes before the disrespectful die out due to mass lead poisoning. There's potentially a price to pay in innocent lives for that to happen, but that's the price of true freedom, and a blanket death penalty for murder should help in further limiting that price.
As for the cheeky update:
I hope You do realize democracy is a facade and that it can be easily manipulated. I suppose there was a big drama in the US after the last two presidential elections over who interfered with them and who this clandestine group was in favor of. As for the users at GaG, I suppose most of them are more interested in learning as much as possible about reality and not in ideological warfare, so I highly doubt they would support these cenzorship-smuggling laws. We could probably become a partizan force if Europe turns totalitarian. All I know for sure is that if I was a supporter of the totalitarian agenda, I would leave GaG after the first time I was berated here (if not sooner, after the first time someone disagreed with me here) and attempt some kind of vengeance against either that person or the site as a whole. I did not do that.
Regarding the so-called "hate speech", there are simply two kinds of people out there - those who can hold a civil conversation and those whose opinion doesn't count.
@Juxtapose You do realize I am not one of those who try to legislate respect and criminalize disrespect? That I live in the EU (as Poland is not really sovereign anymore) is simply another hardship in my life. Again, democracy is a big, fat lie. The fact that I do not approve of most of what's currently happening in Europe, and yet You lump me and others who share my contempt for this crazy agenda with those who support the unfolding madness is simply another proof of that.
@Juxtapose Now that would make sense (even though it could still theoretically hint at an assumption that I might oppose true free speech under some circumstances, which in my case is absolutely impossible), but then it would still be unlikely to apply to most GaG users (European ones included). I mean... If one wanted an environment that enforces respect in a way similar to how a country could do it through legislation, they could easily switch to Facebook, X (formerly Twitter) or TikTok. If they do use GaG, it kind of implies they don't really wish for totalitarianism in the name of mutual respect. If that's what You meant, though, I totally agree with Your train of thought. If one opposes free speech, they lose the right to claim it for their own use. It's just that the very conditional clause is unlikely to apply to most GaG users.
I literally had to go well out of my way to block rogue moderators who were abusing their privileges. I could @ you like this:
@CalmUntilAbused "I like your post."
And my post will get removed for being a member post.
I had to go to higher up moderators and complain pretty vigorously to get any change. G@G is not a free speech platform, too much discretion is left up to moderators.
@Juxtapose If You succeeded in dealing with the privilege-abusing moderators, I guess it's still pretty tame compared to what's out there, but thanks for the information.
To accuse another of being disrespectful, one has to choose what has to be respected. That in and of itself is taking sides in at least a two part contention. It is vain to try to legislate courtesy or morality, two concepts based on emotion. way too subjective.
That's impossible to enforce, so it'd be pointless to make it law. Not to mention everyone has different views on what counts as "disrespectful" and "respectful"
It's the same reason why banning "hate speech" is pointless and idiotic.
I think it would be impractical. Most people don't even receive these things the same way in the first place.
I definitely have moments in the week when I wish it was though lol
Update: people don't know how to slow down and actually think about things 😂
Sorta ya. More like they just spend all day on autopilot assuming things
It actually is, but it shouldn’t be. Police officers can arrest people for being disrespectful, and judges can throw people in jail for being disrespectful.
I suppose you’re suggesting on a much broader scale though. I’m against it either way. I think cops and judges who do those things are abusing their powers.
Negative. The term they use is “field judgment” regarding “contempt of cop”. Look it up. And there are thousands of other laws by which police can marginalize anyone they want any time they want. Unless you’re wealthy enough to own the judge, you’ll go broke before you “prove” anything in court, and still end up in jail and working off your fines and fees on work release.
Juxtapose is correct, there is a Supreme Court ruling.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contempt_of_cop
"Contempt of cop" is law enforcement jargon in the United States for behavior by people toward law enforcement officers that the officers perceive as disrespectful or insufficiently deferential to their authority. It is a play on the phrase contempt of court, and is not an actual offense.
Respect and disrespect, no. However, I'd have no problem with telling intentionally damaging lies being criminalised. Insult me all you like, just don't lie about me.
It would save a hell of a lot of time on here, apart from anything else.
If I sat down and made a prioritized list of things that should be criminalized, your example would be about 36,745 on my list.
How in the fuck is theft under a thousand not a crime?
There are too many laws already here in the USA.
Many laws are passed without congress even reading them.
Many laws are written by corporations, not the legislators we the people voted for.
Respect should be instilled at a very young age by the parents, and the state or government needs to stay the hell out of our business!
respect is hard to quantify and therefore hard to enforce
Disrespect would be criminalized? Um, how and who exactly would determine what disrespect is?
Wow.
Hate crime laws are double-plus-ungood.
I can however appreciate the irony that the more they try to make hating each other illegal, the more pissed off and hateful people become. Just how long are the governments of the world going to keep tightening their grip before the whole thing comes crashing down and riots rip civilisation apart?
respect has to be earned it cannot be imposed no matter what democrats think.
That's rather daft.
Libel and slander ARE criminalised and punished as that is one purpose of freedom of speech laws.
But law cannot control what is respected and revered though.
No... Everyone says disrespectful things sometimes. Can't expect human beings to be perfect.
Disrespect shouldn't be criminalized, but harassment and discrimination should be. Disrespect is a personal choice, but harassment and discrimination hurt other people.
My father told me as a child if you want respect you first must give respect. That has served me well over the years
Unfortunately, the worst aspects of the human heart can't be legislated out of existence. However, acting on such abhorrent beliefs, if the deeds become violent, CAN AND MUST be punished to the law's full extent.
Hate speech is more than disrespect. It’s words that actually harm another person.
Hate speech is very different from disrespect lol
How is it not? Fucking loser. That’s disrespect. Cracker ass mayonnaise monkey. Go get fucking cholera with the rest of you uncivilized dirty fucking European bitch ass spf 100 cracker little bitches who can’t even pull their own race because all of them want Tyrone and not you. That’s hate speech. Cracker bitch.
lol are we pals now 🤝
u Live free or die!
No people have a screwed up way on what is respectful and disrespectful.
This site is actually a good example. SOME people see disagreement as insulting and will block you even because you don't see things the same way as them. It's those people that I'm talking about.
That would be an attack on free speech and will be met with force
Cops are subjective and dumb enough without adding an insult to their God complex.
How would you implement such legislation though? Genuinely curious.
Ibthink anyone that would ask this question should be physically and chemically castrated
no, although I feel that’s what the immigration debate is all about.
I don't even need to, the fact that people who you do not have documentation on come into the country and are in the terrorist watch lists, and number in the hundreds is evidence enough all by itself. Not to mention all the human sex trafficking that goes on because of the lax border.
I’ll show you an example. Investipedia is a bit conservative Wall Street oriented…and they like immigration.
www.investopedia.com/.../...hurts-the-economy.aspx
Job growth? Nope.
“When excluding the pandemic year of 2020, we found that the economy under Biden added jobs at a faster rate than under Trump”
www.poynter.org/.../
Real median house income dropped by $2,000 about 2 years ago. Inflation went up 20% in 3 years and that's without counting gasoline or food.
"By conventional social democratic measures, the economy is bad, and recent trends in the economy have been mixed at best. Any conclusion to the contrary is therefore based on ideological, not factual, disagreement."
jacobin.com/.../biden-economy-performance-opinion-polling-metrics
"Biden’s economy has been tepid at best — a far cry from the “strong economy” the administration keeps trying to tout.
According to Bureau of Economic Analysis data, despite the boost following COVID’s 2020 devastation —when America’s economy shrank 2.2 percent and rebound plus growth should deliver a double shot — Biden’s first year in 2021 only produced 5.8 percent growth. In 2022, it fell to 1.9 percent.
Last year’s growth was 2.2 percent in the first quarter, 2.1 percent in the second quarter and 4.9 percent in the third quarter, with 3.3 percent in the fourth — all told making for 2.5 percent growth in 2023. However, to finish out Biden’s four years, the CBO projects 1.5 percent growth in 2024. To finish out Biden’s four years, the CBO also projects 1.5 percent growth in 2024."
"In contrast, inflation and interest rates are pervasive, personal indicators: affecting people where they live — in what they buy and in what they borrow. These are also the reasons why an earlier CBS News/YouGov poll conducted Jan. 3-5 found only 36 percent approved (64 percent disapproved) of Biden’s handling of the economy and only 33 percent approved (67 disapproved) of his handling of inflation.
While the Biden administration can talk all it wants from its bully pulpit, Americans are listening through their wallets. And they are hearing the echoes of Reagan’s question.
J. T. Young was a professional staffer in the House and Senate from 1987-2000, served in the Department of Treasury and Office of Management and Budget from 2001-2004, and was director of government relations for a Fortune 20 company from 2004-2023."
jacobin.com/.../biden-economy-performance-opinion-polling-metrics
Also:
thehill.com/.../
You’re blaming Biden for corporate greed.
cals.ncsu.edu/.../
That's probably the dumbest thing I ever heard, that's like saying friendship should be legislated and bullying should be criminalized.
definitely not. Let people show their true colors and I hate fake niceness anyway
Respect is earned not given
There would be a lot of people in jail. 😂
I'm the first one will be in jail 😂
Respect has to be earned.
The hard right wouldn't win anything.
I take that back. The modern hard right. I don't want to sound completely anti-conservative.
No. This is still what came to me. Based on personal experience of course. I still don't think it's a good idea regardless. People should be free to be as respectful or disrespectful as they wish, within the current laws.
Oh I see what you mean now.
You do realize that countries with laws like this are very often European countries? They literally legislate respect and criminalize disrespect. Go ahead and try to flip off a cop in Germany or openly deny the Holocaust in Germany. One singer even faced charges after criticizing the president of Turkey.
Meanwhile what do you have for conservatives? Saudi Arabia?
So I was off base but you skip to other countries? lol
You have to remember Germany was one of the countries who lost the second world war. Theirs is a country far older and longer established. They aren't america.
you can't police thought
who gets to define "hate speech"?
Not everyone deserves it
lol, no.
Nooo thats ridiculous
No, fake news.
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