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We kinda settled the gay marriage, gays in the military, gays adopting children…and just seems natural. Because it is.
The transgender debate will go the same way because A) there’s a demand for it…and B) there are no victims of trans people. Its simply how they feel.
It will be a far more contentious issue simply because being gay (or bi) really has no substantial impact on the lives of others. Being trans pushes males into female spaces, teams, and organizations. This incursion into the lives of people who want nothing to do with their way of life and do NOT want to be forced to play along with this delusion fantasy that they are something they are not - lest they be persecuted for it - is a whole different issue.
The transgender debate may likely be solved in a few years when trans people in years to come start coming forward with regret in large numbers and the damage that was done to them with puberty blockers, hormones and the removal of their genitals and maybe start suing the schools, teachers, principls, doctors, psychologists etc that were involved in their sex change.
Well, then the science would show it and the recommended advice would change (like with giving small children peanut butter). What's happening today is politicians and bigots are forcing changes based on what they think will happen, ignoring the facts on the ground.
Why would you listen to politicians over doctors in health matters?
Correct. Trans people are a wedge issue for republicans, they're not a real problem of the world.
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What do you mean gay people are accepted? There are still plenty of people I keep my bisexuality from and with how crazy the far left is? I would rather it be this way than be some sort of super accepting society where we chemically castrate children and pretend it's okay.
Clearly the alphabet Mafia is not equipped to have reasonable boundaries and limits. They are willing to show children pornographic material like "Not All Boys Are Blue" with that disgusting gay sex scene, show them nudity in public with gay pride parades and groom them with transgenderism.
The whole transgender movement is rooted mostly with John Money who ran pedophile experiments on children such as try to see how quickly a 5-year-old orgasms.
Not to mention with the transgender movement they absolutely lie about puberty blockers being harmless and totally reversible. What a lot of shit.
@OddBeMe I would look like a hairy dude in a dress, that would be disgusting. I would not blame people for being skeeved out 😅 What I do blame is the far left for ruining gay rights and turning people against gay people.
@goaded there was a general reform of criminal laws about 60 years ago. It was because if people get intelligent over time they start to realize victimless crimes aren't actually crimes.
@Juxtapose AGAIN you are 100% wrong. They are not permanent and people can just stop taking them.
www.healthline.com/.../are-puberty-blockers-reversible
@Juxtapose It’s shameful to think you know more than MDs…
“ When a person stops taking puberty blockers, their body will resume puberty exactly as it would have if they had never taken the medication, says Jennifer Osipoff, MD, a pediatric endocrinologist at Stony Brook Children’s Hospital in New York.”
You don't follow experts you follow ideologues.
https://segm.org/ajp_correction_2020
Proof that the shit doesn't do what it's supposed to.
"A. Hormone blockers to cross-sex hormones stunt genital growth in males & may permanently damage sexual function
When young dysphoric males are given hormone blockers at the onset of puberty, it stops genital growth (“micro penis”), and this becomes permanent if the youth goes on to cross-sex hormones. There isn’t any evidence available as to whether all of these effects on sexual function in a pubertal male are “fully reversible” (we now no they are not-see updates)"
thehomoarchy.com/trans-youth-side-effects-hormone-blockers-surgery
“SEGM is an anti-trans ideological org without ties to mainstream medical or science.”
www.boarddocs.com/.../...n%20Comments%20091323.pdf
No, they are trying to uncover the truth because there's a lot of people with a very sick agenda that want to push this ideological nonsense on children. You can even tell they are disingenuous because they changed gender dysphoria from a mental illness to a non mental illness. They also lie about the effects of gender transitioning.
Why? Each transgender patient is a lifelong pharmaceutical piggy bank for the pharmaceutical industry.
So we have the Mayo Clinic, Cedars Sinai and American Physiological Society. All say puberty blockers are safe and reversible. (Of course, other medications and abusing blockers are anti-medical)
www.physiology.org/.../study-bolsters-evidence-that-effects-of-puberty-blockers-are-reversible
www.mayoclinic.org/.../art-20459075
www.cedars-sinai.org/.../...recocious-puberty.html
@Juxtapose Also, 14 core members are a small group of repeat players in anti-trans activities. True or false?
@Juxtapose Do you even read the text that you quote? "When young dysphoric males are given hormone blockers at the onset of puberty, it stops genital growth (“micro penis”), and this becomes permanent ****if**** the youth goes on to cross-sex hormones.". IF!
So, without going on to cross-sex hormones, even your source agrees that hormone blockers are reversible. Now, having given the child years to consider (with support from mental health practitioners), the late teen can make an informed decision whether to continue down that path.
Now, for comparison, what do you think the mental health situation is for someone who, in your words, looks "like a hairy dude in a dress"?
@Juxtapose Actually, we're more against you not even accepting what your "website that is led by real doctors" says and making bullshit claims that aren't supported by evidence.
thehomoarchy. com? My god critical analysis is dead. If the title doesn't clue you in it's biased how can you possibly make a correct analysis of the veracity of everything that follows?
@DrPepper12 I've seen enough other sources where I think what they are saying is valid.
Activists.
www.transgendermap.com/.../
For emotional pain and suffering because of a lie I would imagine a few million would be the max. I'm never going to see that type of money in my life, I would love someone to lie about me like that so I can get that kind of money. These families are greedy for asking over a billion dollars. Utterly ridiculous.
You should also listen to Alex Jones explain his side of the story.
Libel is not protected speech. This isn't hard. 🙄
@DrPepper12 to the tune of over a billion dollars? Come on man, at that point I *WISH* somebody with spread lies about me so I could collect that much money.
You get your tactical taint underwear and limp dick pills from the same place you get your "journalism". You still can't see the problem? 😳😂
if you wanna be gay okay. or trans, or whatever, okay. but that's not accepted as "normal". why does anyone have to accept your idea of normal? i am not going to march with you. i don't want you trying to influence my kids. i do believe you are mentally ill.
Is having blue eyes "normal"? What people are talking about when they say normal or normalising in this context is simply getting people to accept that it happens, they exist, and they're people. "They" meaning any group, being trans, gay, ginger haired, albino, left handed, autistic, etc.; they've all been subjected to marginalisation and violence at various times (including today).
All these conservative snowflakes cultural issues will fade away in time as they grow up and become more tolerant
@DrPepper12 Somehow we never do. Still make the same mistakes. I thought demagogues or a 20th century thing.
I regard mundanes as mentally ill anyway, so the entire transgender debate doesn't even stand out as particularly different to all their other forms of common idiocy. They're going to do what they want and all I'm going to insist on is that they mind their own fucking business around me.
Incorrect. There is a big difference between someone being born gay or lesbian, and choosing to alter their body to try to be the opposite sex. Gender ideology is a toxic element in society that is damaging the lives of countless young people. The sane majority will never accept that. That's why we are seeing an increasing backlash against it in Europe, and laws there are changing more and more to restrict so called "gender-affirming care" for minors. Leave the children alone!
Sure, however the "gay debate" is still a long way to go before its settled.
It will, but it will always be somewhat problematic, especially in competitive sports.
Yeah, some probably shouldn’t. I was thinking about some of the physical interaction ones like boxing, but maybe by weight class?
Pre-teens would be equally matched, then the girls would pummel the boys their age before the tables turned during adolescence. (I remember my mother laughing and telling my older sister "see: I told you he'd be bigger than you one day!", after I threw her onto a bed in a play fight.)
Nope. You can argue that being gay is "natural", but there is nothing natural about using chemicals or surgery to help someone pretend they are not the sex they were born as. The gender ideology being taught to our children is something Americans will never accept.
@goaded No, I wouldn't have. I have always supported gay rights and gay marriage. Most people do, but only nutcases support today's gender ideology.
@goaded You're wrong, again. I would have supported gay rights regardless of when I was born. But regardless, it doesn't change the fact that today's gender ideology is pure insanity, which is why the world is increasingly turning against supporting it, as it should. The insanity needs to end, and it will.
@goaded Of course you don't believe me. Your heart is so full of hatred for whatever idea you have in your head of who and what I am that you can't allow yourself to think anything else. You are more than happy to make assumptions and generalization about me, yet you act like a victim when people do the same about you. You're a colossal hypocrite and you are as big a part of the problem you 'think' you are working to solve as all the people you hate are. You just don't have the honesty or self-awareness to realize it.
The trans victims are children who are told that it is normal and natural to castrate themselves and take hormones by adults.
I'm not talking about children getting surgery, the idea of transitioning is becoming normalized by adults to children and adolescents. However, trans communities do tend to believe (especially for MTF) that you need to start estrogen when you are a minor to actually "pass". You need to do more research my friend.
False, I said kids are being told it's simply "normal" or "natural" if they feel like castrating themselves by transitioning when they are adults or sometimes as teenagers.
Well, it causes people to become genetic dead-ends for their bloodline, not because of any health complications or being infertile, but because of mental delusions and rejection of their biology. The medical process for transitioning is also a lot more brutal than it's made out to be, with sex change operations being particularly grim. For MTF you're looking at a vagina that functions like an open wound, and needs to be dilated to maintain size and shape and stay open. A part of the colon can also be used to create this fake vagina, not all the time but still. For FTM you're looking at a huge chunk of your arm or leg being removed to create a fake penis, and top surgery where your tits are just outright cut off and leave huge scars. Then with testosterone for FTM, it often makes these women start balding and having terrible body odor. The list can go on, but there's nothing normal or natural about this process and your body will reject it every step of the way. Kids shouldn't be exposed to this crap at all, or kept in the dark about how barbaric it is.
You're repeatedly missing the whole point of what I am saying... now you have me pegged as some typical anti-vax conservative? That's a whole different issue and I wasn't saying anything about bodily autonomy during that time.
Once again, it's not about what children have access to, it's about the ideas that they are taught. I AM NOT TALKING ABOUT TRANS KIDS, I am talking about kids who will grow up in a generation highly socially accepting of trans ideology. Do the "gender affirming care" procedures I listed sound normal or natural to you? Doctors don't care, they can make a lot of money off of trans delusions.
Social contagion. They don’t become trans to be hated, they have normal confusion about developing their identity in a culture that socially accepts questioning one’s gender identity. Therefore, they question their gender identity when they otherwise wouldn’t. Also in a culture where being seen as oppressed gets you sympathy, they get to romanticize the fact that they are hated by some and be seen as “brave”.
Well, same underlying issue with gays isn’t it… gays are genetic dead-ends. You can create a society that doesn’t treat them poorly, but it’s still not exactly “natural”.
More like molesting them…
Huh, no that’s still straight men doing that.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/8008535/
"unlikely to have been molested by identifiably gay or lesbian people" = confirmed straight men do all the molesting... brilliant. Studies on this topic are always going to be somewhat vague and open-ended.
Maybe if they stop trying to compete in women's sport. If they just want to wear women's clothes and cut their junk off that's a matter for them.
Like gays there are issues like this that will need to be worked out. But I figure the same trend will happen, we’ll settle it like we did with gays in locker rooms etc…
There’s already some science that shows two years on hormone pills or whatever levels out any perceived advantage for trans women.
Incorrect because, not that it is abominable, but because it is not genuine.
I hope so
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