Does putin want to splinter western unity by supporting western far right parties that are in favor of leaving Nato, Eu etc?

[Anonymous]

Yes

No

[OfDeath]

That’s obviously his strategy. The far right in the west are too stupid to realise it. They are too concerned with stupid conspiracy theories.

I saw Barack Obama wrote happy Father’s Day on X and all the comments were just about Michelle Obama being a man. It’s sad. People these days occupy a level of stupidity which was previously nonexistent.

[PA19062024]

Define "far right". Someone who is to the right of Barack Obama? That's apparently what the mainstream media figures believe, and it's ridiculous, a joke!

[OfDeath]

@PA19062024 Obama is actually pretty right in terms of the global scale. Both the democrats and republicans are to the right globally. No universal healthcare, no free education, no fair wages, reliance on tips, no social safety net for the unemployed, minimal protective workers rights etc. So technically yes. But no, what I mean by far right is idiotic conspiracy theorists who actually believe ridiculous crap like the 2020 election was “stolen”, vaccines are a plot to control people’s minds, Michelle Obama is a transsexual, climate change is a “hoax”, Vladimir Putin’s version of “history” is correct, Trump is being convicted of crimes because of the “leftist agenda” and not because he actually committed crimes, atheists are satanists, democrats are “communists” and all other ridiculous bullshit so many morons really believe as I mentioned in my original answer.

[DryGermanGuy]

Of course, this has been established decades ago. They are politically flexible, they used to financially support the far-left parties for the longest time. It’s not about any specific politics, it’s merely for creating dissent, anger and chaos.

[PA19062024]

So if someone is against NATO or the EU they're "far right" in your opinion? I don't think so. I'm against those organisations as well, because they're worse than useless, not because I admire Putin (I don't).

[RedInnocent69]

Yeah, kind of. ‘Because they’re worse than useless’ betrays you. Besides the question is about what Putin thinks and his play, not yours.

[PA19062024]

@RedInnocent69 The question is about Putin "supporting far-right parties" ("far-right" how?), but the fact is that you don't know he does. And yes, NATO and the EU are obsolete, relics of the 20th century when Europe was a very different place (ex. the Warsaw Pact doesn't exist anymore).

[RedInnocent69]

You’re fixated on ‘far-right’ because you’re a snowflake. I focused on ‘splinter western unity’ because it’s obvious that’s what Putin is doing. The Warsaw Pact doesn’t have to exist for Russian imperialism to be rampant.

[PA19062024]

@RedInnocent69 You refuse, or simply cannot, address the issue I raise here, that issue being the obsolescence (and therefore uselessness) of the two organisations I mention and criticise. You've presented zero evidence for the claim that "Putin supports far-right (whatever that is, because you don't define them) parties in Western Europe", and you've now presented a new element into this ("Russian imperialism") which you don't define either.
Did it ever occur to you that what you see as "imperialism" on the part of Putin, is simply a desire for his nation to not be surrounded by foreign, hostile military bases in places like Poland and Rumania? How would Americans react if Canada and Mexico were to join an alliance that was hostile to the US?
Try to see things from their perspective.

[RedInnocent69]

They’re not. Um, Hungary and other client states (ok not Western), and documented election interference, generally, even in the US and Canada. Straw man, ordinary use is pretty obvious, but willing to substitute imperialism for aggression if it makes you feel better. It has. Cuba and Turkey, and most conflicts since the Cold War have been about spheres of influence, more than lofty ideas about international law. But I’ll just take my political science degree and go sit in the corner now.

[PA19062024]

@RedInnocent69 Oh wow, you have a political science degree. Should I be impressed? Well, I'm not, because you're wrong and won't admit it. And I'll tell you why you're wrong; because you fail to (or simply refuse, I'm not sure which) the Cold War conflict from BOTH perspectives, and you also fail to take into consideration Russian history, which is very brutal due to the fact that they've been invaded from the WEST so many times over the centuries, and now are naturally suspicious of attempts to extend a hostile military alliance right to their borders.
Yes, do take your degree and sit in the corner, because you clearly don't understand Russia, or Russians, their history, or anything about this really, but prefer to take the simplistic attitude of "Russia bad, therefore America good".

[PA19062024]

"... fail to see..." I meant.

[RedInnocent69]

I know, right? I like Russians. Estonians, some Georgians, and Ukrainians too.