Should paternity testing be legally mandatory at the birth of the baby?

[DexWest]

[IslaTheWitch]

I just wonder... if you can't trust your woman... why are you with her?

I can't imagine how it's even possible to spend years with someone you don't trust...

if the father of my child asked me to do a paternity test... it would be the end of the relationship. And I wouldn't even want him to be put as a father of my child. My child would be happier without the father with trust issues.

[msc545]

You and other women act like so called "good women" have labels on them that men need to just look at to determine if they are suitable mates.

Guess what? Those labels do not exist.

[IslaTheWitch]

@msc545 I don't really understand what you want to say... somehow most people have no dilemmas as you
they choose their partners, decide on growing a family and take responsibility for that... they don't need labels, just common sense... and a "good woman" means something totally different for every man...

my partners considered me as a good partner, we created long and meaningful relationships... none of them ever had any doubt about kids and who is the father...

but maybe I simply chose them right... no whiny, insecure boys... but grown-up men who take responsibility

[msc545]

Funny how when it comes to you, you can do no wrong - and everyone else can. If it was your life and your work and your time and your money we were talking about, you would be saying a lot of things very differently.

Your contempt for men does not go unnoticed here, and in your life.

[Anonymous]

Yes this question has been asked before, but there is no reason it shouldn't be mandatory and it would solve a lot of problems.

[Anonymous]

Yes. For the government, it confirms the father of the baby. I also wonder why they don't just capture DNA of the baby and attach it to its identity record, this confirming the identity of the baby.

[bolverk]

YES!!! There is far to much paternity fraud aided and abetted by the family court system.

[purplepoppy]

Sounds like just a way of demonstrating control over woman than a solution to a problem. A tiny percentage of woman will cuckloid their husband so the rest of us have to go through the indignity of a test just to appease the political droolings of woman haters.

[Lynx122]

1 in 3 is not a tiny percentage

[msc545]

You don't know that it's a tiny percentage at all. But even if it were that doesn't matter. One man deprived of his money for one child deprived of knowing who his real father is is one too many

[KrakenAttackin]

@purplepoppy. Only cheating women oppose mandatory paternity testing. What are you afraid of?

[purplepoppy]

I shouldn't be expected to prove my innocence.

[IslaTheWitch]

@KrakenAttackin no, only women who KNOW they were not cheating and don't want to be forced to prove their innocence oppose

I assume there should be a test for men, and before they are allowed to return home, they should prove they didn't cheat...

if you don't trust this woman, don't have children with her... it's easy

[KrakenAttackin]

@IslaTheWitch Wrong. There is more involved than the trust between a man and woman. The child has an interest in verification, as do the insurance companies who will pay for all of the medical expenses, as does the employer of the woman is on the mans insurance plan. The husband/partner has a RIGHT to have paternity affirmed and the real father (assuming there is fraud) has a right to be the father of the child.

Much more is at stake than the woman's fragile ego.

[IslaTheWitch]

@KrakenAttackin it's insecure men's ego that tells them to test if they are fathers... men, who solved their problems and see the world as it is would never even think that their woman could cheat on them... but as we can see, insecurities are driving men

if a man has no doubts, the insurance company also doesn't. it's as simple as that

I'm really happy no man in my life ever had any doubts about us... we made our choices well

[KrakenAttackin]

@IslaTheWitch And men who don't test are too often getting played for fools. The "insecure man" trope is not valid and does not address the multiple parties that have an interest in verifying paternity.

Only women who have a question of paternity would be concerned about a paternity test.

[IslaTheWitch]

@Lynx122 1 in 3 of tests ordered by children support office... so it's not the probe of the population

[IslaTheWitch]

@KrakenAttackin how often

[KrakenAttackin]

@IslaTheWitch In some communities paternity fraud is over 30%. Unacceptable.

[IslaTheWitch]

@KrakenAttackin any sources for this revelation?

[purplepoppy]

Some woman shoplift, does that mean we should search all women before they leave the shop?

[KrakenAttackin]

@IslaTheWitch Jesus, really? Would it make a difference to you? At what percentage of paternity fraud would you recognize it as a problem that needs to be addressed? Why do you see women defrauding men and children as a woman's "right"?

This is reason 1,292 why men have stopped trusting women.

[IslaTheWitch]

@KrakenAttackin if you want to have a meaningful discussion, please share sources for your opinion... in other cases... we have no ground for discussion... because it doesn't make any sense to discuss your illusions

[KrakenAttackin]

@purplepoppy. A tiny percentage of people are burglars but we all have locks on our doors.

[KrakenAttackin]

@purplepoppy. You can thank the sisterhood for your needing to prove your innocence.

[KrakenAttackin]

@purplepoppy. Almost every store has inventory control. Stop deflecting.

[KrakenAttackin]

@purplepoppy. Yes, you should be expected to prove your innocence if you have a weapon that can send me to prison simply on your word.

[msc545]

@KrakenAttackin Like murdering unborn children and alimony and automatic belief of false accusations, women think that defrauding children and men is their "right".

[KrakenAttackin]

@msc545 Exactly right. You see the women above posting with utter contempt. It's as though we are ask them to show permission for them to breathe! Determining paternity is NOT a big ask when, at the word of the mother, the man can be imprisoned for failure to support the child.

No birth certificate should ever be issued without a paternity test. In the case of a "single mother" who is unsure of who the father is, child support should never be ordered unless paternity is verified.

Why is this so hard for women to understand?

[IslaTheWitch]

@KrakenAttackin you don't have to have children with a woman you don't trust. It's as simple as that.

and as long as you don't provide proof you didn't cheat when you return home, you have no right to expect anything from your woman. In the relationship we are EQUAL.

[KrakenAttackin]

@IslaTheWitch WHAT PERCENTAGE OF PATERNITY FRAUD IS ACCEPTABLE TO YOU?

Seriously, at what point in your mind does paternity fraud compel the state to act?

[IslaTheWitch]

@KrakenAttackin why should I define such numbers? I want to know the facts not create an artificial reality

[KrakenAttackin]

@IslaTheWitch We define points all the time, Blood alcohol limits for driving, credit scores, salaries, legal age limits for smoking, drinking, gambling, voting... shall I go on?

By defining limits we define our values and enact laws in effort to endure them.

[IslaTheWitch]

@KrakenAttackin not "we" some people designated to do it...

[KrakenAttackin]

@IslaTheWitch Yes, which starts with a conversation like we are having.

I tried to post a link from a law firm but GAG rejected the post with a message stating "You have something in their GAG doesn't like".

The link had "fraud" written a few times which is why it may have been rejected.

[IslaTheWitch]

@KrakenAttackin use your brain and paste it differently :D

[KrakenAttackin]

@IslaTheWitch Sorry, I'm not as tech savvy as you. Let me look.

[KrakenAttackin]

Here is a snippet.

"When fraudulent paternity claims are discussed, they are typically treated as rare occurrences that should not be treated as the norm. In reality, the American Associations of Blood Banks reports that each year approximately 28% of the men tested for paternity are not the biological fathers of the child being presented as theirs. Some researchers believe that paternity fraud has reached epidemic levels in the United States but does not receive the attention it deserves because the problem is underreported. There is often a focus on proving paternity with little thought given to how a case should be handled if the named father is not the biological parent of the child."

[IslaTheWitch]

@KrakenAttackin "Associations of Blood Banks reports that each year approximately 28% of the men tested for paternity are not the biological fathers of the child being presented as theirs." and those are ordered by the child support office... based on fathers claims...

so again... this is not population reflection

[KrakenAttackin]

@IslaTheWitch We don't have accurate data on the population as a whole because the whole population isn't tested. There are indications that the paternity fraud issue IS large enough to come the State to enact legislation requiring paternity testing.

[IslaTheWitch]

@KrakenAttackin "We don't have accurate data on the population as a whole because the whole population isn't tested" exactly... there are not willing fathers who want to check it... doesn't it tell you anything?

[KrakenAttackin]

@IslaTheWitch Huh? You and I both know how women can be. Just pull up videos of women being asked to sign a prenup and watch the women lose their minds. Asking a woman to prove paternity is a guaranteed massive fight (especially if she isn't certain of paternity). THIS is why paternity testing needs to be mandatory.

Mandatory testing is only a matter of time.

[IslaTheWitch]

@KrakenAttackin if she doesn't want to sign it, don't marry her... I still can't see any problem, except for making poor choices...

[KrakenAttackin]

@IslaTheWitch I agree with not marrying her. Unfortunately, even if she does sign it the agreement can be thrown out of she states she "was under duress" to sign... because women are so easily manipulated and can't think clearly. 😏

[IslaTheWitch]

@KrakenAttackin men don't ask for tests, they know kids are theirs... they trust their women and support them, not question them...

[IslaTheWitch]

@KrakenAttackin so don't marry at all... you are looking for a fault not for a solution... and it never works

[KrakenAttackin]

@IslaTheWitch This is flat out wrong and is just a shaming tactic. Your logic is "any man who seeks a paternity test is not a man".

You are better than this.

[IslaTheWitch]

@KrakenAttackin I see it exactly that way... if a man can't make a proper choice and then after making a choice can't fight his insecurities... it's hard to call him a man...

there is nothing a man can offer that I can't get by myself... so I expect only one thing... responsibility for their own actions. If he chooses me, I expect him to trust me. If he can't trust me, there is no reason to stay together... Trust is a main pillar of ANY relationship.

so yes... if he requires a paternity test it means he doesn't take responsibility for his actions. He could have raised his doubts any time earlier and decided to divorce me if he proved my infidelity. But doing it when a woman is in the most vulnerable state is... cowardly mentality... so yes... such a creature is not a man for me

[LazerBean]

I'm not a liberal snowflake, so I don't believe in the government forcing laws on everybody just because some liberal sluts are mad that they know they are too low quality to get a decent woman who won't cheat on them.

[msc545]

It should absolutely be mandatory at birth for all children. Men have a right to know who their real children are and children have a right to know who their real fathers are. Women do not have a right to take advantage of men and children for the sake of their money.

[KrakenAttackin]

@msc545. Absolutely correct. There are three victims to paternity fraud: the child, the real father, and the deceived man.

[msc545]

Absolutely correct and the perpetrator is always going to be the mother.

[KrakenAttackin]

@msc545. Yes, and there are zero consequences for women.

[msc545]

@KrakenAttackin Sadly yes. They don't even have to repay the money they obtain using paternity fraud via child support when they are occasionally caught.

[Dargil]

You actually want government involved with this?

[msc545]

Yes I want government involved. Sometimes government does good things. You can't just sweep everything under the rug and say it's bad because government did it.

[LazerBean]

They didn't have a daddy to teach them how to get good quality women, so they have to have their daddy government clean up the mistakes they made with poor quality women

[Dargil]

@msc545 Does that extend to government mandated and regulated paternity testing. How about mandatory DNA typing at birth for the criminal database, which might be utilized to predict future criminal behavior or regulate minority populations? You never know how far they will go for the "greater good".

[msc545]

@LazerBean It's Amazing how you can turn anything around and find a way to shirk responsibility and blame it on men.

[msc545]

It's easy to find a catastrophic or unpleasant hypothetical. That does not obviate the original statement at all.

[LazerBean]

It's amazing how you want women to take accountability for the consequences of their actions, but not men. People like my husband and I should not be forced by the government to pay for something we don't done to our kids just because males of your kind are afraid of the consequences of your choices.

[msc545]

@LazerBean Nobody said you have to pay for it. You said that.

[LazerBean]

Oh yeah I forgot, you liberals don't know that nothing is free

[msc545]

@LazerBean If you cannot afford 50 or 100 $ you have no business having a baby.

[LazerBean]

I'm glad that you at least see that your last argument wasn't good enough to stick with. Also it's 79-200, but that's irrelevant. Nobody said I couldn't afford it.

[msc545]

@LazerBean Then don't complain about it. In practice, you probably will not pay for it unless you have no health insurance.

[LazerBean]

Are you planning on getting married or having children?

[LazerBean]

No. Then dont complain about women, marriage, or whether or not children should get DNA test.

[msc545]

@LazerBean My plans or lack thereof are not your business.

[KrakenAttackin]

@Dargil This is why we have courts. Basic identification of paternity is in everyone's basic interest.

[Dargil]

@KrakenAttackin that can happen through DNA testing when it is ordered. But a government bureaucracy to regulate it is not necessary and is likely unconstitutional.

[KrakenAttackin]

@msc545 Let's add it won't cost a dime as the insurance companies will be HAPPY to cover this cost.

[KrakenAttackin]

There is ZERO reason to not want paternity testing, absolutely none.

[Apple1996]

@KrakenAttackin insurance only covers things that are medically necessary 🤦‍♀️

[msc545]

@Apple1996 Establishing paternity is medically necessary.

[Apple1996]

@msc545 how is that necessary for health/medical reason tho? a lot of health insurances are bitches about covering things even when it's a life/death situation

[MisterWack]

‘Legally mandatory’

No.

Should it be an option for expecting parents to make sure that child is 100% belonging to the attended parents? Yes!

[Apple1996]

Nah it should only be done if the parents want it done. And sometimes it's very unnecessary if the child looks exactly like that father it'd be dumb to do a DNA test

[LazerBean]

These liberal dudes would rather every parent be forced to by the government to pay good money just so that maybe they themselves can get out of paying child support to the hoe that they actively picked to have sex with. Pathetic

[Apple1996]

@LazerBean true there are better things tax dollars could be going towards than this. If man wants to know so badly if the kid is his or not then he can pay for the testing

[KrakenAttackin]

@Apple1996. Nope, there are too many cheering women. Accountability, accountability, accountability. ... does that frighten you?

[Apple1996]

@KrakenAttackin there are too many men crying about having to pay for their own child and trying to get out of it lol

[KrakenAttackin]

@Apple1996. Nice deflection. There is zero argument against paternity testing. Why do so many women fear the truth?

[KrakenAttackin]

@Apple1996. If men are "crying about child support" at least these men should have absolute proof the child is theirs. Men can and are sent to PRISON for failure to pay child support. Confirmation of paternity is a very small ask.

[Apple1996]

@KrakenAttackin there is a argument against it because a man can choose a good woman and also keep track of her cycles to know if it'd be his baby or not. Really is mens fault for not making good choices and knowing too little about female reproduction

[msc545]

@Apple1996 Appearance is absolutely NOT an indicator of actual genetic relationship at all. DNA is. That is why we use DNA.

[Apple1996]

@msc545 sometimes looks can definitely tell you who the father is

[msc545]

They NEVER can despite your complete lack of education.

[KrakenAttackin]

@Apple1996. "Nah it should only be done if the parents want it done". Right, just like fingerprints and DNA evidence in a crime should only be taken if the victim AND suspect want it 😏😏. Makes perfect sense...🤮

[msc545]

@KrakenAttackin You cannot reason with her - the stupid is very strong in this one...

[Anonymous]

the people saying no just want to protect wives and girlfriends who cheat on their spouses but holding cheaters accountable is considered "misogynistic"

and look at the shame tactics coming your way

[HelpfulWoman]

Mandatory if requested, and should be included for any child support orders

[Hispanic-Cool-Guy]

No. The father can ask for the testing of one by the government.

[KrakenAttackin]

YES! Paternity should be verified before a birth certificate is issued.

[KrakenAttackin]

There are too many victims for paternity fraud to go unabated.

[msc545]

@KrakenAttackin When a woman commits paternity fraud, there are multiple victims including the child who does not know his real father, the putative father who pays for a child that is not his, and the real father who is deprived of a relationship with his child. All because women are greedy and vindictive.

[KrakenAttackin]

@msc545 Yes! And their greed and treachery is enabled and supported by the State!

With the huge decline in relationships, marriages, families; at some point the state will be compelled to act and paternity testing will be one item. Of course it will be 30 years before we see real change.

[handsomelad70]

Not mandatory,, but it should probably happen.

[In_Trance]

Stop...

[Lynx122]

No victim? I hope you find out that the man who raised you is not your father soon. :)

[In_Trance]

Why yes when you say something like that it conveys to everyone that you have a small dick. And apparently no father

[NamerOfStars]

Adultery is far from victimless.

[In_Trance]

@NameOfStars that wasn't the question. That actually has nothing to do with the question.

[SkatPak392]

Yes. I want to make sure that "hypothetical, but 100% unlikely to ever happen" baby is mine.

[boggboss]

No but it should be on request

[Twalli]

No , only if the named father disputes it.

[Mellowguy1]

100% yes.