While I understand and appreciate the idea behind it and, in spirit, support it, it's not feasible for several reasons.
1. The father may be unavailable - he may be dead.
2. The father may be unavailable - he may be a rapist who was unknown and never caught.
3. If the father is available and willing to be the child's father, then the issue is moot.
4. If the father is available and willing to be the child's father, but then a paternity test results in being proven that he is not the father, then that instantly adversely affects the relationship between the would-be father and the child and, if married, results in proof of infidelity. Furthermore, it is a violation of spousal privilege, in a sense.
5. The father may be an anonymous sperm donor who wishes to remain anonymous. A mandatory paternity test without a warrant might be considered a violation of his 10th Amendment right to privacy.
6. If the father does not wish to be the father or even find out one way or the other, a mandatory test is likely a violation of the 5th Amendment right against self-incrimination. It is also likely a violation of the Due Process clauses of the 5th and 14th Amendments. In other words, to compel him to participate in the paternity test would require a court order / warrant which he could challenge in appellate court because that is part of due process.
7. The mother may not wish to be involved with the father. In this case, he would willingly due a paternity test, but would have to legally compel her to submit the child to it.
8. Technologically, this will eventually become irrelevant because females will eventually be able to procreate artificially without males. In such a case, a paternity test is moot.
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it should be a requirement for them to be able to bill men for their kids. Without test these thing should be completely voluntary. If a guy wants another guys kid he can always adopt it. So not really a mandate, because I think women should have the option to raise a kid on her own. But she then needs to also pay for it all.
I'll repeat the same thing I said the last time this came up: this is an utterly pointless discussion.
Mandating paternity testing on a blanket basis will simply not pass legal muster, and is not going to happen. If paternity becomes contested and a civil court orders a paternity test, then prepare to foot the bill for anywhere from $1,700-$3,000 for a test that will satisfy the court's legal requirements. Anyone thinking you can swab a cheek and spit in a bottle then send it off to 23andMe for a computer printout at the cost of $35 needs to really look into the court's requirements.
For the children it's better to know who his biological father is. For the mother it's better to have a child support provider, even thought she knows it's not their biological fathers.
I think a compromise should be made here. If the father or mother wants a test it should be made despite one of the sides opposes it, without expensive court processes. It's in interest of the child and someone who has to pay at least 18 years long child support should know it's their biological child. It's just fair in my opinion and this will reduce massively amount of problems which may come later.
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I am not in favor of having the government unnecessarily involved in our lives.
Honestly, I had to think about this one a bit before I answered it - and my answer surprised me. The answer is "no," it should not, and at first my answer may sound a bit self-serving but hear me out.
To start, truth in advertising, I have gotten four women pregnant. The first pregnancy ended in a miscarriage. The second, and the only one that hurts and that I deeply regret, my girlfriend at the time got an abortion. I wanted the baby and would have care for him or her on my own, but I was denied that and it causes me more pain than you can imagine.
On a happier note, my current girlfriend and I have lived together for 12 years and have three children. We love each other and have talked about marriage but for some reason the idea of an expensive ring and a big ceremony just would seem to cheapen what we share. So we live together. Our first two pregnancies (both boys) were unplanned, the third (a girl) was more or less planned.
However, the one that is really relevant to this question goes back about 15 years. To summarize, I had a one night stand with a woman I met at a business event. We did not know each other, but we just clicked, had very raw sex and that was that. However, it was unprotected sex and I got her pregnant.
Long story short, she decided not to tell me and to raise the child on her own and I went on unaware that I had a son. However, a couple of years ago, as she decided our son needed to know his father, so she tracked me down - even now I am not sure how - and she told me that I was a father. Subsequent tests proved it and so now I have a teenage (14) year old son.
Frankly, it was awkward at first getting to know my son (and his mother for that matter.) However, my son and I have since grown close and while he still lives with his mother, he spends part or all of some holidays and the summer with me, my girlfriend and his half-siblings.
So what does all this have to do with the question? Well truth is, while I love my son and am very happy to have a part in his life, I miss that I did not get the chance to be with him as he has grown up. I feel like I missed so much.
If paternity tests would have been mandatory, I might have had a better chance of being informed that I was going to be a father. So you'd think that I want them to be mandatory.
Yet that is the funny part. I don't agree with what my son's mother decided to do in raising him on her own for all those years, but she had her reasons and she - I have to say - seems to have done a superb job in raising him to be a fine young man.
Is it a good idea to intrude the state into those deeply personal choices? I can't say that it would be. In fact, it would be like threading a needle with a sledgehammer. Not a good idea. She was entitled to make the choices she did and while - as I say - I don't agree with what she did, to blanketly just take that decision out of any individual or even couple's hands is not wise. It is too delicate a situation to intrude such a blunt policy.
When I needed a paternity test to confirm that my son was indeed my son, I was able to get it. I did not need the law to require it before the fact.
Bottom line, I confess that I am torn - and gosh knows I find myself wondering if I have another child I don't know about. (Not likely, but not impossible.) However, it is best to leave these decisions to the people involved. We cannot know their specific circumstances, and we should, with something so personal, give them latitude to make their own decisions.The problem is if a man wants to do a test voluntarily at birth, that means he doesn't trust her.
He may think it is all about building trust by proving her right, but she thinks it is all about not believing her and destroying trust.
Voluntary ones at birth is just a lose lose situation.
If they are going to be needed, it should be quick and easy to do at birth, mandated to find out if who she says is the father is the father. This way it won't him asking for it and destroy trust with her.
Of course she could say she has no idea and no test is needed, can't test someone if you don't know who to compare to.Absolutely not. Getting government involved in our private lives is over the top. If there's any doubts, the couple can work it out. The father does NOT have to sign the statement claiming paternity no matter the case. But for government to mandate and obligate anyone to pay for a paternity test is ridiculous. That's between couples.
I don't think it should be mandated I think it should simply be a part of the process. It doesn't even have to be discussed unless there is an issue.
If the doctor has to have an uncomfortable conversation about the results then he will in private with the man. That's all.
The amount of men who are unknowingly not the real father is actually a scary statistic. This is something we actually need in societyI think so. Too many legal factors to ignore the legitimacy of parenting. Suppose mother and father break up and now mom wants to put the man on child support, he signed the birth certificate, he was involved in the child life, but little does he know his girlfriend cheated on him and the baby is not really his. Now for the next 18 years he will have to take care of a child thats not his and its not by his choice but law requirements.
No I think that’s too costly and time consuming. I like our current system — men get automatic parental responsibility rights if they are married to the birth giver, otherwise they have to apply for it if they are not married. The birth giver always has automatic parental responsibility. I think that’s transparent and reasonable.
In some cases yes. But ultimately it's up to the individual. It's a fine line to walk. You could ruin a relationship over wanting one. There are so many men who have paid child support only to find out later that they aren't the father and the courts won't reverse the ordered child support.If something is mandated it should be paid for by tax payers and I don't think a paternity test should be.
Also, what would it say about the society we live in? Do we really need government to collect even more information about us? It's our DNA and it's going to a database from which it will never be removed.
If a man has doubts then he can demand it and agree to a contract that if he is the father he will cover the full cost, if he's not then she will.Yes yes yes or at least an option of some sort if a certain party wants intestine is should be mandatory the truth needs to be told just for the kids sake
Every kid should have both parents in their life and the truth needs to be told
Only person that does not care or doesn't want responsibility would not want this doneMaybe.. but at the same time I think it’s unnecessary and a waste of those resources.
But yes for a man who suspects that the woman was unfaithful, or just to be sure. 100% he should demand one. If the woman has a problem with it. (ITS NOT HIS) period.Why not. But not immediately after birth. This is kinda disrespectful since the women go through a lot. He can expect it but he should not be mad when she leaves him for his huge trust issues. Imagine he does that for no reason. How big are his trust issues to the point he needs paternity test. This is accusing your partner of cheating. I can understand in some cases when you know she is cheating but for no reason is just disrespectful
OM! Not MORE useless government involvement in our lives?
We have much more than enough right now, thank you very much.
I have to show my driver's license to get a cold pill,
but voters don't have to show any sort of ID?
We do NOT need more of this Bravo Sierra,
idiotic, over-stepping, unconstitutional control lunacy.I think absolutely nothing should be mandated by the government. One thing I can say with a pretty high confidence is that whatever the next mandate the government comes up with, I'll be against it. Before I get accused of loving violent anarchy or whatever, there is a difference between mandates and legitimate laws against violence or destruction or theft of property.
I think it should for these reasons;
1. I know/knew 5 couples that the dad thought he was and wasn't the father of. I would not fuck over my hubby like that. If I screwed up like that, I would have to be honest. We've been friends to long to do otherwise.
2. If the guy later decides to "claim" that the child isn't his and that mom cheated, this would shut that shit down!No, what is it with you Government people violating everyone’s civil liberties ⁉️ COVID wasn’t enough inflicted terror with the sign 😷 of Fear.
WTF‼️This sounds like a good idea but how would you get a paternity test if the father just vanished? I don’t think it’s fair to hold up the birth certificate just so the father can be found. But otherwise I think yes.
You mean just in case there was some hanky panky going on and another guy slipped into her bedroom while the SO was away?
No. Obviously not. I would have thought that by now everyone would be well and truly fed up with "government mandates". We neither need, nor want, the government in our lives. They should just stay the hell away from us.
Well maybe single mothers would lend itself to that idea. I read somewhere that 15% of men are raising a child that unbeknownst to them is not their child. I just see people suffering needlessly. Granted its right for them to know but it would end up causing problems
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