Should paternity testing be mandatory at birth?

[DexWest]

[Zack-Bann]

I think so yes


And the women who are getting outraged about it are missing the point


Testing isn’t about a lack of faith.
It’s about unquestionable certitude. Which modern science allows us to have


I say that and yet in some counties around the world, like France, it’s illegal to even get tested


The idea is that the test would ruin the fabric of society because they estimate that there’s a LOT of cheating going on


I’d say let the cheating society burn


And yes, paternity tests are great and should be mandatory

[MrChinaski]

So, you want to have unprotected sex with a woman you don't trust and you think it's the government's job to fix up your mess for you? Huh? Why should I pay taxes to compensate for your bad life choices? And, yes, this is coming from Australia which is probably considered a part of the woke, communist tide by many Americans.

[Zack-Bann]

Where did I say I want the tests to be free?
I also pay a shit ton of taxes and most of that money goes to people I would let die in a heartbeat if it was up to me.

So excuse me if I’m not gonna sacrifice my sex life just to reduce taxes by.1%

[red-lipstick-girl]

@bdddddIf my husband doesn't trust me, he doesn't need to have it done; I'll divorce him. Marriages should be built on trust.

[Zack-Bann]

Let me ask you this: if your husband was sterile, and he borrowed semen from a friend which he secretly squirted into you while you had sex and it got you pregnant
Wouldn’t you want to know for certain that your husband is the father of your baby?

Because women get pregnant and give birth. There’s no ambiguity about who the mother is

So instead of seeing a paternity test as a lack of trust in your marital exclusivity. You can see it as a of confirming who the father is the same way child birth confirms who the mother is

[red-lipstick-girl]

Unless you are a specialist doctor, you cannot simply collect semen and inject it because semen dies within 5 seconds of contact with air, and pregnancy does not occur during every sexual encounter; perhaps it might happen on the 50th attempt, so the things you described are unlikely.

[Zack-Bann]

It’s not only unlikely, it’s utterly impossible

But that’s not the point I’m trying to make

I just want you to picture the other side’s point of view

The main point being: a dad can only believe he’s a dad.
Except we have the technology to prove it.
Wanting the test doesn’t mean we doubt that we are the dad.
It’s just a way of eliminating the natural uncertainty of the process itself

[MrChinaski]

@Zack-Bann Fair call.

[Apple1996]

Nah if a couple wants that done then they can do it privately later on. Birth is traumatic enough for a woman. Those men who want this type of thing done are just trying to take away from the mom and babies moment after birth and make something about themselves while at the hospital.

[Light_beam]

your husband should do the test on the zillion babies you gave him 😛

[Apple1996]

@Light_beam they all look like him so thatd be unnecessary 😂

[Light_beam]

Wow, how did you do thaaat !!

[Apple1996]

@Light_beam I only make him clones of himself 😂

[Light_beam]

ahhh, again how did you do that? what is your secret?

[emeraldsaphire]

No way, My husband is the father, he knows he is I know he is, and I shouldn't need to prove it. Like sure if the husband is skeptical, get one, but just mandatory testing for everyone? That is over reach, and reeks of people not trusting women.

[CalmUntilAbused]

Yeah... After Amber Heard, the stocks of #BelieveWomen plummeted. I am still willing to believe women, but I need some proof. In the case of "You are the father", a paternity test is a good enough proof. Also, if the woman turns out to be loyal, She can wave the certificate before the nose of anyone implying She is not... Once Her husband beats the absolute shit out of that person, that is.

[msc545]

Most of us don't trust women at all, and there's a good reason for it.

[blackeagle007]

Women have given us many reasons to not trust them. They cheat a lot

[HawkPerception]

I never understand why women get so butthurt over this. Just the same as prenup, it absolutely should be mandatory. If her partner is the father, then there should be no issue, and it wouldn't hurt to have it checked. I don't think women understand how heartbreaking it is or how much it mentally breaks a man knowing he's raised kids that aren't his, his whole life and knowing he likely won't have his bloodline continue due to a lie. Women already know they're the mother. Men don't have that benefit. A good and empathetic partner would have no issue in getting a paternity test, just as they would for prenup. Never trust a woman who isn't willing to get either.

https://www.youtube.com/embed/2gxQWJazjKI

[msc545]

Absolutely yes. People tend to forget that paternity fraud has multiple victims, which includes:The child in question
The real father of the child
The guy that's on the hook for the child's support that isn't the father
So for every instance of paternity fraud, there are three victims. I hope we can stop this, and paternity testing is a good way to avoid it to begin with.

I know women don't like it, but guess what? I don't like the all-male draft into the armed forces either.

[CalmUntilAbused]

@msc545 Okay, that opens up an opportunity - since men are allowed to vote for the sole reason they get drafted, how about we only allow women who pass a paternity test the right to vote? Both the draft and loyalty to the partner are a good test of responsibility, and I feel like we have far too many irresponsible people among the voter base

[msc545]

@CalmUntilAbused it's a little more complicated than that. We don't actually test women for paternity. What we do instead is we test the child, to see what the child's relationship to the alleged father actually is. So I think we would need to make it that only women who agree to paternity tests at the birth of all children get the right to vote.

[CalmUntilAbused]

I know we do not test women for paternity, but we test their children, right? Therefore, it is easy to find out if a woman is a cheater. If we detected a cheating woman, she wouls lose her right to vote. Though Your idea, with only women who agree to paternity tests at the birth of all children getting the right to vote is a good one, too.

[CalmUntilAbused]

would*

[msc545]

Of course we will never be able to do this because women will never agree to it because probably 50 or 60% of them cheat and probably a significant portion of those don't even know who the father of their child really is Don't want to know unless one of the men has enough money to make it worth it to her in which case DNA results are not really needed or wanted just in case the guy with the most money is not really the father.

[CalmUntilAbused]

If the Congress passes a law, it will not matter whether the women agree or not. I suppose it would have to partially repeal the 19th Amendment, but it is still possible, especially with Trump as President and both the House and the Senate for the Republicans. Also, if only 50-60% of women cheat, then at least 40% should still support this law, and most men would support it anyway - therefore, one should actually be able to win a race (of any kind, really, unless it's for governor in a blue state) while loudly promoting this idea.

[CalmUntilAbused]

@jazzy34 Why would we hate women? We are trying to get them to take responsibility for their actions, which proves we consider them humans and equal to men. Men take responsibility for their actions, which sometimes even leads to their death. Why should women be free from responsibility, if they are equal to men?

[LazerBean]

Nothing should be mandatory at birth. The parents should be in complete control of what happens to their child. If the government can mandate taking something out of your child at birth without the parents consent, they can mandate putting something into your child without the parents consent.

[FreyaRed]

Yes. It will remove all the doubts of fathers and improve relations with children if they are sure they are theirs. Of course if it's another way around it's bad for that child but it's not "fathers"* fault.

* person the mother declared as father.

[jshm2]

LOL, don't be daft.

Hospitals can barely afford providing maternity services and care as is.

Add the security and lab services they would need, to provide "test on birth" services, and you'll go back to "home births" in most of the USA.

If you're not sure it's yours after birth, then get it tested outside the hospital care system.

[Dargil]

I would not oppose associating a genome sample with a social security number and filed away for reference. Once the genome has been mapped, if paternity, crime or medical issues (like transplants) become important, the database could be checked.

AND, despite being a conservative, I would not oppose all persons having social security numbers provide a sample to be mapped. Even oral mucus contains it.

[jazzy34]

If a man had the audacity to ask me for a paternity test, that would be the end of our relationship right then and there. I'll be DAMNED if a stay with a man who questions my fidelity to him. See ya in court, asshole.

[Screenwriter]

Paternity tests cost money. Unless there's some overarching need for such a test, why would anyone do one? Suspicion?

[CalmUntilAbused]

Yeah, paternity fraud is far too widespread, and after Amber Heard, #BelieveWomen is dead.

[Screenwriter]

@CalmUntilAbused I can't get reliable statistics.. Looks like 10 to 30% of births might feature paternity fraud, according to some articles. But there are no national statistics studied or kept on this. Law groups are the ones reporting this.

Looks like there are some, mainly unmarried, women seeking child support from men who are not biological fathers. But we aren't talking about millions of women, some sea of women doing this.

If 70 to 90 percent of births, according to law groups, do not have this issue, it seems a waste of money.

IF a case happens, paternity testing should be done at THAT time. Or if a father wants it done, for some reason at birth, then he can pay for this. It is not a medical issue that threatens the health of the infant. It's a legal and trust issue between the titular father and mother.

And if that's the case, it would appear there are longstanding problems in this couple's relationship.

[CalmUntilAbused]

@Screenwriter Any paternity fraud is too much, same as any rape is too much. Now, while rape is overreported, with a significant number of false accusations, paternity fraud is underreported, since most men still trust their wives by default. If a paternity fraud is detected late, when it no longer matters, as the man has been already legally bound and cannot protect Himself, it might not be included in the statistics, while some men never even learn they are victims of paternity fraud. If the rate is still 10-30%, the real rate might be well over 50%, and even 30% means 30% of society is disfunctional. This calls for a revision of the 19th Amendment. Men are allowed to vote because they get drafted into the military - we need some similar responsibility for women if they want to keep their voting rights - as of now, the only reason why women can vote is "men can vote", which is honestly outrageous. Agreement to paternity tests as a condition for voting rights for women sounds perfectly fine to me.

[blackeagle007]

Sorry but the modern woman in today’s age are all terrible. No class, cheating, unrealistic dating standards. They don’t appreciate men

[Kelley1]

No, because single women should have the right to name the best provider. Moreover, wives should have the right to select the best available genes for their eggs. Also, she is doing her husband a favor by giving him a prettier baby.

[PeachyPie93]

It doesn't need to be done.. but if it was a thing I wouldn't care either way, its kind of funny cuz at least skanks couldn't get away with things..

[CupcakeTheDestroyer]

I don’t think so, and I’m not sure why we’re in a place where men refuse to trust women but still want them in their lives.

[exitseven]

I would not oppose this if the "father" requests it. He should be able to do it confidentially as well.

[Anonymous]

absolutely yes

if Trump must release the Epstein files (which he should) to alleviate any suspicions of him being guilty, then paternity tests must be mandatory at birth

anyone who opposes has something to hide

[slatyb]

No, it should not. Almost all new fathers are certain the child is theirs.

[DexWest]

Is that why France banned all but court ordered paternity tests?

[slatyb]

I have no idea why the French do anything... yet. If I could I would move there next week.

[4ngelic]

i think that would be a good idea. you don't want to say with a partner who cucked you and pay for a kid that isn't yours

[Anonymous]

any child born to a father who questions the legitimacy of his offspring is bound to be raised in a toxic, unstable household.

Trust is the core to any stable family.

[Light_beam]

hahaha yea yea right.. but a lot of men who trusted their women ended up with sons who are not theirs

[Opinion Owner]

@Light_beam

Not a lot.

Plenty of men out there who abandon their real kids too for single moms to raise

[Light_beam]

Yea that happens too and those bad men should be judged by law.. But still paternity tests are so mandatory..

[Opinion Owner]

@Light_beam

So why is it still legal for men to abandon their kids? Most single moms don't Even receive child support.

[Light_beam]

Well, if this kid is a product of legal marriage then men should be forced legally to support them as much as paternity tests should be mandatory.. Is this clear? .. but if women just fornicate and get pregnant then it will be for them to handle.

[Opinion Owner]

@Light_beam

So you are saying you won't pay for your own children unless it is the result of marriage?

You don't sound like the type of guy that would make a decent father.

[Opinion Owner]

@Light_beam

That's why paternity tests should never br administered, because men don't take their roles as fathers seriously.

When u pick and choose which kids to father, you aren't taking the role of a "father" seriously

[Opinion Owner]

@Light_beam

Why would I take you "seriously enough" as a father?

If you don't even take your own offspring seriously?

No, I wouldn't grant you a paternity test. Since you see the role of a father as a joke anyway.

[Light_beam]

LOL, calm down.. what i said was that the man should only legally forced to parent if the child came in a Legal marriage.. I am talking about the legal rules here.. Not what I will do!!
Sorry when you go fornicate around and open your legs for everyone, you chose to bypass the legal system (marriage) and so the legal law will bypass you...
But for me , i don't and won't have sex without marriage.. So no problem for me.. right :D?
But even if some guys would be bad and not support their children, this can't justify to deceive OTHER men and make them be fathers to children who aren't theirs.. You are a horrible dishonest person...
By the way, the man can always run the paternity test of the child..

[Opinion Owner]

@Light_beam

I didn't bother reading your bulletin

Any man who says he won't take responsibility for his kids SHOULD NOT BE TAKEN SERIOUSLY AS A FATHER

HE would not make a good father either

I don't know how why a paternity test would matter of the man doesn't even treat the role of a father seriously

[Opinion Owner]

@Light_beam

In my opinion, men who abandon their kids should be arrested

[Opinion Owner]

@light_beam

I can totally see why you are single bitter and angry. Cuz no woman would want to marry and have kids with a guy like you.

[Light_beam]

who said i am single :D , smartie !!

[Opinion Owner]

@Light_beam

because happily married men don't tend to be a miserable, jaded and irresponsible as you

nobody cares if a shit father takes a paternity test or not. Shit fathers don't need to be fathers.

[Light_beam]

horrible and liar mothers like you who would sleep around and cheat on her man then give him a baby that is not his should not give lessons 😀

[Opinion Owner]

@Light_beam

well you would abandon your child anyways, even if it is yours, so it doesn't matter

shitty men like you deserve to get screwed over.

[Light_beam]

Haha, i won't abandon my kid but i will have him with a respectful decent mother , not a tramp :D

[red-lipstick-girl]

If my husband doesn't trust me, he doesn't need to have it done; I'll divorce him. Marriages should be built on trust.

[Light_beam]

A lot of men who trusted their women ended up with sons who were not theirs

[Ariesman81]

Yeah. We should setup a Non Profit organization, maybe call it Unexpected Parenthood, and get women to fund it.

[CalmUntilAbused]

Whoa, that's petty... I do see where You are coming from, though. As a way to keep tensions low, let's make it so that only the cheating women pay for those tests (even for couples where women do not cheat). I mean, cheating can be proven with paternity tests, so the program would shortlist its funders itself.

[Ariesman81]

Good point, Planned Parenthood sounds better.
We need to be pragmatic about this. If women stop cheating, how will we get paid?

[msc545]

I don't think they're ever going to stop cheating. Most women continue to cheat even after they get caught by their husbands or others. So if they lose their right to vote or they get fined or anything, I think they're just going to get the new boyfriend to cover the cost.

[CalmUntilAbused]

@msc545 Well... The loss of the right to vote cannot be easily compensated for, that's why I came up with that idea.

[Ariesman81]

@CalmUntilAbused

QUICK! Hide the blueprints! I'm not sure he can be trusted yet.

[msc545]

@CalmUntilAbused I understand, but given the number of people who don't vote even though they can, I don't think voting is that important to most people.

[CalmUntilAbused]

@msc545 It is not, until they hear they can lose the right to vote 😄

[DextroShade]

Yes, I am even fine with taxes paying for it because I see eliminating cuckoldry as a very good use of my tax dollars.

[msc545]

I think this is a really good issue for men to get together on and start pressuring politicians. After all, politicians are afraid of women's vote, so they ought to be afraid of how we vote.

[Snakeyes7]

Absolutely. Even if it does ruin society, as some might say, the fact that we have gotten to that point is all the more reason to do it.

[Snakeyes7]

ok maybe not mandatory, but it shouldn't be illegal.

[Anonymous]

In order to make it fair I think paternity tests should only be required if the guy can prove she's a ho.

[dragoblack]

Yes, though it will make the hospital bill insanely much higher

[CalmUntilAbused]

Yes. No need to elaborate.

[DonaldDarko]

Given the times we live in yes it should.

[Miristheiss]

Maybe not mandatory but standard procedure.

[Agape93]

Long as it's free, sure.

[CalmUntilAbused]

Funded by cheaters, how does that sound? Unfortunately, there is no such thing as a free lunch.

[Agape93]

@CalmUntilAbused Sounds good to me. Fuck em

[CalmUntilAbused]

"It's the best deal in the history of trade deals, maybe ever." Pleasure doing business with You, fair Lady!

[CalmUntilAbused]

@Agape93 Sorry, forgot the ping... 🙂

[tzdc21]

YES. Absolutely.

[Badwomen]

Yes for sure!

[Jersey2]

Yes. Too many guys are duped.

[loveyouoak]

It shouldn't be mandatory, it's humiliating.

[RavVid]

Absolutely