The US and UK population is in decline due to aging population, birth rates, and economic factors. Is illegal migration the answer?

[coachTanthony]

Keep in mind Japan is worse off with their declining population but they refuse to fix it with illegal migration.

Yes we will suffer for decades but it is the answer

No

[razelove]

I see legal migration as an answer that's a temporary prop. The real answer would be raising the standard of living for middle and working class. Illegal immigration artificially inflates the standard of living be creating a lower class than the working class. They'll also have more kids for about a generation, maybe two. So easing the requirements for visas for a while would help, but illegal immigration will hurt legal immigrants, and legal citizens, and also remove incentives for them to integrate and make babies along with business together.

[BCRanger10]

No. The answer is to encourage younger marriage and families and place restrictions on abortion and birth control. And on the level above that, we have to encourage things like virtue and eradicate feminism from our cultural thinking.

[coachTanthony]

Well it's going in the opposite direction unfortunately.

[OlderAndWiser]

A burgeoning population of people who are not self-sufficient and wh have abnormally high crime rates does not solve any problems. It creates more problems.

[Levin]

We're told the population is in decline but we have record levels of net migration, the vast majority of it is legal.

As someone who lives here I can tell you it has become an extremely unpleasant place to live. The central problem is housing. You have people in their 20s/30s and 40s who can't afford to get on the housing ladder. They're in a perpetual state of being infantile, but it creates a huge demographic problem where people can't afford to have children. The only people who do have children are the 'irresponsible' ones who can't afford to and push the burden on the state with the ludicrous welfare system. I see benefits claims at work and it is frequent for those on benefits to get more than people in professional jobs.

If the politicians and those in charge actually cared about their native population, they'd devise policies to encourage people having children. Whether that's lifting people who have children out of taxation, or indeed benefits, but the real issue is housing. There is indeed a great replacement at play. The country has become increasingly hostile to the native population.

[purplepoppy]

So why do we have a housing shortage in the uk if we've a population decline? Why are there so many unemployed people? Why are so many people with decent jobs forced to house share?

Plus most people don't produce anything these days, they work behind a lap top or in the service industries. They're only function is to support other non productive people. Most of these jobs will disappear to AI soon so we'll need less people.

Simple truth is the nicer parts of the uk are those with a low population. As population density increases so does crime

[paledreams]

@purplepoppy how's about a follow, smartie lol little lady?

[coachTanthony]

All due to migration,.

migrationobservatory.ox.ac.uk/.../

[Levin]

Sad dips due to the respective wars but no corona dips.

[monorprise]

@purplepoppy I suspect London like most major cities in the US was at one point a nice town and desirable place to live.

Not sure you can say its brittish any more thou, like many American cities it does not seem to much value or reflect the host country.

[Bricealan]

Of course not Coach. It would be like STARTING ALL over as a nation... I just returned from Germany, and what a hell of a mess that country is in Socially, economically, etc. Like living at the base of the Biblical 'Tower of Babel". Fifty different languages... Never saw such a nightmare in one country.

Now it is beyond fixing. A woman I talked to in Potsdam, said 'Now we have a new conservative government, and 'guess what" they want to remove all of the illegals living here"...

Does that sound familiar?

[Jersey2]

No. Illegal immigration is an Obama-like easy answer. I suspect he has been behind the open borders with our current catatonic President. Incentives would have solved the problem with affordable housing/apartments (which by the way, illegal immigration is making worse).

[RebelinSteel]

The UK Population is increasing, why this thing of it declining, where are the stats to show this?

[coachTanthony]

The UK's population is growing, primarily because of migration, and is projected to reach 70 million in 2026 according to reports.

[RebelinSteel]

Show these reports?
I can quite happily put up Office of National Statistics,
Also it’s nearly 50 million white to 4million Asian (Indian sub continent). Immigrants make up a small percentage and eventually end up with smaller families, in part due to cost of housing.
Anyhow show these reports.

[coachTanthony]

is Uk population declining... google it... first thing that pops up is what I wrote here.

[RebelinSteel]

I don’t need to, I am showing stats from the UK Government Stats site, this is from census and government factual information.

You shows these reports or are you simply lying about them.

[coachTanthony]

Your stats are due to migration do you not agree or do you think the UK has dropped feminism and women are having tons of babies all of a sudden?

[coachTanthony]

migrationobservatory.ox.ac.uk/.../

[RebelinSteel]

Projected not actual. Also those figures still take into account pre Brexit immigration, from 2018. Yes immigration is a potential thing. Also don’t mix up illegal with legal. We have always had a high level of Asians (India, Pakistan) within the UK, they add to society. Referring to illegal immigration and then including legal within those numbers gives incorrect numbers.
The migration observatory do caveat it’s own figures.
migrationobservatory.ox.ac.uk/.../

[coachTanthony]

my point is simple... the UK's population is projected to grow due to immigration, but the UK's natural population is expected to decline due to a low birth rate. Same for the US.

[RebelinSteel]

My point is that it levels off as people get the reality of house prices and unemployment. They go from large families to small. Also there are more legal immigrants than illegal. A lot of stats also include those in education.

[coachTanthony]

There is no definitive figure on the number of undocumented people in the UK. Saying there are more legal immigrants then non legal is a guess at best.

[RebelinSteel]

It’s an educated assumption, as very few illegals are not documented. Also stats are kept
www.gov.uk/.../summary-of-latest-statistics
As an island there are limited routes in and the majority are located.

[coachTanthony]

Love how they claim it's a simplification but somehow people think it's "stats are kept" lol

[RebelinSteel]

Well to use the NHS you need to be registered, ditto a right to work, all that adds to stats, so now you are dismissing the stats?

[coachTanthony]

There is no requirement to show proof of identity or address to register with an NHS GP. It's helpful but not required.

[RebelinSteel]

This refers to primary and secondary health care, yes a doctor as part of primary, however that is a very limited part of the NHS, secondary is hospitals and other support that a doctor refers someone to. For secondary you need to be registered. The GP is pretty much the gateway to the NHS, also data is collected for all non registered appointments.

[coachTanthony]

Ok thanks for the comments!

[sage2021]

We aren't short of people on the planet earth 🌎 and never will be.
People screw each other like rabbits and that increases the population.
Look at China. They are over populated so I guess the Chinese are some very horny people that don't believe in birth control. 🤷🏼‍♀️

[Unit1]

Oh look, people finally ran out of money, time and energy to do local dating or socializing anymore.

https://www.youtube.com/embed/CHEBmsLKRNU

Disallowed immigration? Well, I'm undecided.

[Anonymous]

Immigration beyond a small % of your birthrate just means your country & culture will never have the chance to recover.

Although it promises to solve the immediate problems of a low birth rate, which is high labor costs it's solution only contributes to the continued low birth rates by making family even less affordable.

[andreasderjuengere]

That's the problem of 'the System'

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not mine.

I did not subscribe to that mess.

[mandyfire98]

It's in decline in the United States? Really? Well there needs to be more decline then. There's still over 330 million people here. Traffic in my city keeps building and building. They're definitely not immigrants either lol.

[WhitneySnow]

Why is a declining birth rate so bad? There are 360 million people in this country. It’s pretty crowded as it is.

[Berethor]

Banning feminism would be better, women in US and UK used to have a lot of children.

[coachTanthony]

I mean in some aspects women not having children could be a deciding factor here.

[Berethor]

Hungary is right, invaders are not allowed, women with many children getting benefits.

www.politico.eu/.../

www.theguardian.com/.../viktor-orban-no-tax-for-hungarian-women-with-four-or-more-children

[NaultD]

Inflation would be higher then 10% without immigrants.

[SugarSugarplum]

Legal, screened migrants with beneficial skill sets are the answer, not criminal invaders.

[Dongie]

Hell no. The people that have grandkids will suffer drastically. No protected group that reaches superior numbers will allow the rest to flourish.

[Hispanic-Cool-Guy]

No. The answer is to significantly lower the cost of living and homes and people will certainly have more kids.

[OtterMan68]

Making it easier to come here legally is the answer

[Anonymous]

Or. . . maybe. . . we could just have a smaller population.

[coachTanthony]

Some would say that leaves us vulnerable for take over.

[Opinion Owner]

That's a pretty retarded position.

[coachTanthony]

it is what it is

[Opinion Owner]

Indeed. And what it is is a retarded position. I know it's not yours, but my GOD are people stupid.

[Anonymous]

World is overpopulated once the one world nation takes off then genocide can clear up with issues

[Jamie05rhs]

The ANSWER? Wtf. It's the CAUSE!

[NathanDavis]

"decline"

[douride2]

Come legally or don't come at all.

[worldscolide]

Absolutely not.

[elaphe]

What about legal immigation?

[Walksbehindtherows]

This is the only option