They don't.
There are a lot of issues going round, and it's human nature to oversimplify and project when under stress.
It's why people think everything from queers, to immigrants, from feminists to communists are "out to get us".
The reality is very different, and it's more people not engaging properly with their social and civic systems that is causing a lot of their problem. One of the main issues with democracy is that there is only one government channel to do anything. This means everything else needs to wait or rely on the community to do.
Obviously if it's a small local issue, then it's hard to drum up funds and support. This is where people start to form communities and often go off the rails with their own importance. Then, before you know it, start to fight and target space made for other genuine and/or mainstream issues.
You end up with the state the USA is in now. Where you are fighting bullshit, and conspiracy more than genuine issues. But even when you have genuine help coming, they are treated with contempt or violence.
Because they don't know the difference between feminism and femi-nazism.
Thank you for MHO
Because they confuse feminism with sexist bitches pretending to be feminist.
Exactly grouping them all when there a big difference
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Because it's done so much damage. How would YOU feel if you had serious candidates for political office going around chanting slogans calling for your murder- and not for anything that you'd done, but purely on the basis of your gender? If you had laws written explicitly making your life less valuable than another person's- again, based on nothing but sex? If an entire category of rights were denied you, leaving you facing the prospect of having to fork over half of your paycheck to support a child you never wanted resulting from sex you never agreed to have, and if you failed to be able to make the payments, you'd go to jail? Open discrimination in college admissions, employment and housing, in violation of federal law and the 14th Amendment? The President declaring mere possession of your chromosomes a capital offense?
Yes, we know the definition of Feminism. That's why we oppose it. And no, it's not a matter of "waves" or "modern" versions; there's nothing in the movement today that wasn't there at Seneca Falls. They've simply run out of legitimate grievances and now having nothing but hate.
I understand what you’re saying, but not everybody is trying to manipulate
The reality is the world cannot solely be on a man shoulders anymore. That is difficult that is draining mentally we can’t do that to y’all and I think it’s fair if I want to go work and do the things that I need to do as a member of society.
And no one has a problem with that. It's the hatred we object to.
There are men out there think what I’m saying, right here is hatred
When you go from subjugation of women to equality, it feels like being subjugated. Even meeting half way seems like a net loss of freedom. As it should because controlling people like that is bad as much as any other manipulation.
Basically everyone wants to be and believe they can be a billion-dollar playboy magnate. The reality is, from the 95th percentile of wealth or higher, that could possibly be the playboy archetype where feminism would be a net negative in life.
My fundamental belief is The greater the autonomy of your fellow neighbor, the better off you are. Raising tides raises all ships.
As i say this it's making me think. Is life like the titanic with not enough life boats? Women and children first, men being bitter being left behind (rightfully so if death is the outcome) when in reality the best solution is just more life boats. Life boats being more social safety net.
A manufactured scarcity of cutting corners of basic human needs forcing all of us to fight each other and not expect more from the powers at be.
I understand what you’re saying, but not everybody is trying to manipulate
The reality is the world cannot solely be on a man shoulders anymore. That is difficult that is draining mentally we can’t do that to y’all and I think it’s fair if I want to go work and do the things that I need to do as a member of society.
I 100% agree. It's fucking idiotic how men sabotage their own self intrest and ability to find a meaningful connection, for such a hollow view point of half the population.
This is where the false scarcity of industrial self realization comes into play. We are actively robbing ourselves of true happiness over stupid shit.
I think so too and especially because you think we hate you we don’t we’re just an individual as well coming together to be a partnership meaning I’m a person. I’m a human being. I also have things that I need to take care of before I met you. you don’t totally want an idiot to Mary and you don’t totally want somebody who’s not going to contribute to a relationship if they can’t even put things into wordsor action but you think we hate you we don’t
For the same reason women erroneously think all men think only about sex.🤦♂️ it's a simple boogeyman
Neither gender fully understand the other one and their motivations. Ergo, they lump all together and label the problem as one thing.
There was a time when a woman's aspirations were limited to "housewife." I'm not suggesting we need to go back to that. Not at all! But I am saying it was a simpler time for men. It's ALWAYS been expected that a man had to demonstrate his ability to provide for a woman (and not just financially) for him to win her favor. Now, how much of this is natural or a societal construct, I can't say.
But when Feminism came along, it signaled to men that women were no longer creatures to be taken care of. Now, don't get offended by the word creatures because this is the point I'm trying to make. Women are people. Deserving of respect and self-determination as any man. The problem with this is what comes along with this as well is responsibility. Now, this is the crux of the problem. Half your gender still wants tradition that you still want to be taken care of and catered to by men. Now, even though I talk about this like there are 2 camps. Realistically, you have two camps and women spread out between the two.
This causes confusion between the genders. For more than 2000 years, Genders had very clearly defined roles that have greatly been challenged over the past, I'd say 75 years. Maybe a 100.
That’s why I stated that I have evolved my way of thinking when it comes down to being just a feminist, womanism is inclusive of men’s struggle. But again, not all things impact us the same way they would impact men
But I’m not going to blame the entire movement for something that may have worked out in certain cases so if you’re looking for someone to blame, it is the actual hatred itself and the actual dysfunction of marrying somebody without knowing them
Really? So you've never talked disparaging of "MGTOW"😆 that is also a movement.
You asked the question. I simply answered it. I never said I ascribe to the reason. I'm simply stating that I UNDERSTAND the reasoning behind it. I see nothing wrong with feminism. But what we got today isn't really feminism. Feminism was about equality. Today's feminism is more about selective equality. You could describe it more as affirmative action. It doesn't seek to build women up. It seeks to tear men down. I think this is where you're making your mistake.
Sadly it's taking a page out of the feminism book, which in the west blamed men for all the problems in the world, particularly problems or perceived problems that women were facing. Now a lot of men are flipping the script and doing it back to women. It's toxic when women do it, and it's toxic when men do it.
It’s only certain traits or characteristics, but people group them together together
because feminism is the root cause for a lot of broken families creating kids who grow up fatherless
fatherless kids then end up becoming abusive, narcissistic, intolerant, woke following the path of gangsters, drug users, sex workers, activists etc.
definitions are more defined by actions than words. doesn't matter what the dictionary says when time and time again feminists have displayed their misandry overtly or covertly while accusing everyone else of misogyny or internalized misogyny
sure, we can blame men from previous generations for allowing feminism to exist in the first place when they could've shut that shit down and humanity would've colonized multiple planets by now instead of arguing over "mansplaining"
then along comes captain-save-a-hoe white knights trying to shame other men into accepting feminism. just you watch when they come piling into this comment section
I think at this point in my life, I have changed my way no, I have evolved my way of thinking and that means being a womanist or to include men and that means if I’m going to be a wife one day then I want to make sure that they’re OK and in concert with what I got going on with myself, the problem that I have is just because I want equality or something on the same level as the man or whatever I’m getting misconstrued as being a man hater, all I wanna do is work and also be able to provide for our family if we have that one day and it shouldn’t be an issue. Marriage is a partnership.
the prefix "femin-" is in the word feminism. I don't know where people get the idea it means equality
even then people can throw out whatever words they want for definitions but at the end of the day, actions still speak louder than words and feminists have historically done nothing for men, in many cases shut down anything involved with men's rights.
one of founders of the MRA was a former feminist with an egalitarian mindset who got kicked out of the feminist simply for voicing the struggles of men. since then feminists have made it their mission to smear his name despite him never showing any signs of hostility to anyone
you may not be a man-hater but you'd be incorrect to believe feminism has nothing to do with misandry when it most certainly does. repeating equality again and again is useless when they don't practice what they preach.
I agree marriage is a partnership but feminism has no place in it if the marriage is to be long-lasting and healthy
Because equality was the catalyst for the movement in the first place and that’s what people have moved away from or the idea and thought read your history books. This is what it was supposed to be now I don’t know what happened.
the history books on feminism are full of revisionist history which contradicts all other history.
equality is just a catchphrase to draw people into the movement, that sounds good on paper but is carefully selected. rights were demanded to be equal but never equal responsibility. communism also stands for equality and sounds good on paper but is terrible when put into practice
what really happened was feminists showed their true colors during the sexual revolution. the worst aspects of female nature were revealed when responsibility was alleviated thanks to such inventions and accepted social norms. sleeping around is now seen as the popular thing and abstinence is seen as a loser thing. kids are now judged upon whether the parents want them or not and sometimes that includes their very own life.
I'm not religious at all but I'm quite observant and the more I see people turn away from God the more problems are caused by society.
No, the original thing was about getting land for women and being able to be able to vote and achieve just that because women didn’t want to be seen as property now all the extra stuff I have no idea is that’s as far as I go with it because I don’t have to hate a man in order for me to succeed. I do not have to hate a man or makedifferences between the sexes just because someone does something crazy now there are some bad characters out there and they are men but equally there are some bad men out there and they are women so not to be tied up in a bunch of mess. I only talk about myself.
rights came with responsibilities. wanting to own property included paying taxes for that property as well as protecting that property. the same thing applies to votes too. if you couldn't be drafted into the military in times of war you weren't given the power to determine the fates of those who could be drafted. even today whether a soldier lives or dies can very much be determined by some basement dweller at the power of a vote.
this whole notion of women being seen as property is feminist revisionist history. men and women worked together as a union not some master/slave dynamic but this lie is being perpetuated enough to poison women against men and the worst ones poison the children against the men. that's basically communism 101. exploit the differences to sow division and hatred.
today women have those rights but they're more miserable than in the past due to them being held accountable for irresponsible choices. throwing out the "sexist" label doesn't work anymore when they're supposed to be "equal" and held to the same standard. feminism acts as a safety net for bad women to get away with bad behavior. men have no such safety net and nor should they but that's where the disconnect comes when equality is repeatedly preached but not practiced.
You have to think back then the past if a man leaves in she is by herself no education no nothing just children. There is no assistance up until now just welfare and government assistance, which is not always great and it doesn’t aid any society. You say in unison, butobviously there was some issues with that anyway abusive husband lack of accountability for men that did not want to actually work and do things for their household. None of this rings a bell, but put that on women for wanting better for their lives and their children.
again feminists use revisionist history to paint false narratives. sure, abusive marriages existed but always somehow painted to be one-sided and assumed to be the norm when it wasn't. this feminist narrative is actually causing more abuse today and widening the gender gap.
there were laws to keep men accountable to their marriage vows and they still exist today. alimony, child support etc. didn't come from feminism but traditionalism. despite the supposedly "equality" we have, feminism continues to fight to keep these laws while brainwashing women to take full advantage of them
feminism is simultaneously weaponizing both the contradictory empowered and victimhood narrative for women couple that with "believe all women" narrative, families are being worn apart at the word of mouth and nothing exists to hold women accountable
even today men are shamed for speaking up on any wrongdoing committed to them. their manhood is put into question, others just commit suicide. women wanting better lives for them and their children is fine but plausible deniability is a huge thing when it comes to the truth.
See that’s where we’re at a fault. Because some households were experiencing some of these days and there are men that also experience of you as well, so wouldn’t you wanna get away from that?
I understand a lot of people think it’s about money and child support and all this stuff but if I could stay with my husband, I would but not if you’re mistreating me or my child and then that child goes and does the same thing in the world I don’t believe that’s OK we’re not saying every single household and during that time it was a lot there is a thing called psychological abuse.
Look, I don’t think it’s one-sided and everything is not black-and-white.
telling the correct history and correct social science would be a good start. using false history and false science is how inequalities can be justified somehow in the name of equality.
abuse in marriages is only made possible when the rules don't match up with the values. it should be incumbent on aspiring husbands and wives to find a partner who follows the rules and values. in a traditional marriage between traditional partners, no such abuse can happen whereas if one partner is a DV offender or the other is a feminist, it won't work out.
the problem it is one-sided. feminism has entrenched itself in every facet of western life. feminist studies in colleges with no male equivalent. feminism in mainstream media, news and pop culture with no male equivalent. schools are essentially feminist treating girls as perfect and boys as defective girls. the divorce statistics, workplace statistics, casualty statistics are overwhelming in favor of women. social media is the only place men get to voice their side of the story and big tech is finding excuses to censor such voices. not even our politicians will address male issues, certainly not without receiving backlash, just look our homeless veterans on the streets. this election cycle was entirely pandering to women and shaming men into voting for women's best interests over their own.
I don't wish this to be the case but if this isn't one-sided, then I don't know what else to show it is one-sided.
That’s why I stated that I have evolved my way of thinking when it comes down to being just a feminist, womanism is inclusive of men’s struggle. But again, not all things impact us the same way they would impact men
But I’m not going to blame the entire movement for something that may have worked out in certain cases so if you’re looking for someone to blame, it is the actual hatred itself and the actual dysfunction of marrying somebody without knowing them
word definitions can only go so far. actions will always speak louder than words
the benefits don't outweigh the costs. people only believe that to be the case when there's so many things to keep us distracted whether it be movies, video games, drugs, porn, music, sports etc. it keeps most of us distracted from the shitty parts of the world
the dysfunction you speak of is being allowed in society. just look at the way cops are being treated. if it weren't for body cams we'd never know. men are taught or many cases shamed into tolerating bad behavior from bad women because it's the "manly" thing to do
thing is, a safety net exists for such bad behaviors to exist in the first place. of course it's not just women i. e. there's trans people who freak out over being misgendered and we must tolerate it.
The official definition of feminism: "The advocacy of women's rights on the basis of the equality of the sexes"
The official definition of the Nazi party: "National Socialist German Workers' Party"
Clearly, the definitions of both are 100% irrelevant in terms of what they actually have DONE.
Please stop hiding behind some definition of feminism and start judging it by the only things that matter, which are its ACTIONS.
Feminism absolutely deserves the blame for a lot of the societal ills we face today in the West.
I understand what you’re saying, but not everybody is trying to manipulate
The reality is the world cannot solely be on a man shoulders anymore. That is difficult that is draining mentally we can’t do that to y’all and I think it’s fair if I want to go work and do the things that I need to do as a member of society.
Of course, but what is stopping you from doing any of that? Women have had the same right and opportunity to do whatever they want for a long time. How is feminism doing anything for women today in that regard? It is certainly doing a lot of harm and causing a lot of division. So why do you support it?
If today's feminism had some substantial redeeming qualities that offset it's negative ones, which include doing a lot of harm to both sexes, I would gladly support it. But today's feminism is a toxic and dishonest movement that does a lot more harm than good, and I have no respect for anyone who supports it. And yes, feminism harms women and girls too. This author does a good job of describing how.
toxicfeminism.blog/.../
I think at this point in my life, I have changed my way no, I have evolved my way of thinking and that means being a womanist or to include men and that means if I’m going to be a wife one day then I want to make sure that they’re OK and in concert with what I got going on with myself, the problem that I have is just because I want equality or something on the same level as the man or whatever I’m getting misconstrued as being a man hater, all I wanna do is work and also be able to provide for our family if we have that one day and it shouldn’t be an issue. Marriage is a partnership.
Again, you already have the rights and opportunities to do those things just like men do. So where is the need to support a sexist movement like feminism?
We all can support equal rights and opportunities without supporting an ideology that mongers hate toward half the population. That is precisely what feminism is SUPPOSED to support, but its actions clearly show it doesn't.
We need to stop pretending feminism is something it's not. If feminism were what it is supposed to be (aka, the official definition), no one would have a problem with it. But feminism hides behind that definition while doing a lot of harm. Why can't we be honest about that and remove the force that is creating an ever-widening divide between men and women? Wouldn't it be nice for a change if men and women felt like they could be on the same team and advocated for each other? That will never happen as long as feminism is still given mainstream credibility.
Because because they’ve changed the idea of feminism and things to be hatred towards men and it’s not
Hitler changed the meaning of the Nazi party, but it was still the Nazi party, and anyone who supported it was a disgusting person. Supporting feminism today is like supporting the Nazi party in 1945.
So, why are you supporting feminism? Why are you defending it?
"The reality is the world cannot solely be on a man shoulders anymore. That is difficult that is draining mentally we can’t do that to y’all and I think it’s fair if I want to go work and do the things that I need to do as a member of society."
You keep posting this, but what does it have to do with feminism? You already have the rights and opportunities to work, have a career and help financially support your family. So what do you think feminism would give you that you don't already have? Certainly nothing that would justify supporting a movement that is doing so much harm to men and boy, and to women and girls.
But this is what men hate, especially on this app and I keep posting it because this is what you’re fighting against and this is what you don’t like. This is actual feminism. This is actual womanism what they want is to go backwards that means were where women are not doing any of the things that they’re doing now you say we have these rights and opportunities but at the same time, it’s the backlash for wanting these things are wanting more that I just don’t agree with
Or being labeled as a man or a man hater because I want to have some type of control in my own household you see where it’s kind of difficult to live in this society and also feel as if I am going against the grain of just wanting to have something for myself shouldn’t be such an issue and it shouldn’t hurt somebody’s ego or anything like that especially if I’m an individual firstbefore being in a marriage
In what country do you live?
Not for everything, but feminism is a cause of some societal changes, some of which re not that good. Feminism started as a good idea, equal opportunity for women, but over time some woken have turned it into a desire for female supremacy, and that is a problem area.
Do you understand where you’re coming from but I think it’s not fair to sit there and think women are out there all hating men and we’re not
The reality is the world cannot solely be on a man shoulders anymore. That is difficult that is draining mentally we can’t do that to y’all and I think it’s fair if I want to go work and do the things that I need to do as a member of society.
When I saw the unbridled hatred towards men by women who call themselves feminists on social media for many years, even though I never searched anything about it actively then I started developing this understanding that there is something crazy in this feminism
But see those aren’t true feminist and your grouping everyone together not everybody hates men if I’m a womanist womanism it just means that I would like to have the rights to do certain things like the quality for a woman
Be able to on my own land or it not be up under the ruling of someone else may not being property just to marry somebody or be this person who can’t live without a man I understand what you’re saying, but not everybody is trying to manipulate
The reality is the world cannot solely be on a man shoulders anymore. That is difficult that is draining mentally we can’t do that to y’all and I think it’s fair if I want to go work and do the things that I need to do as a member of society.
Egalitarianism is the sincere version of equality.
Feminism is the idea that you can make the sexes equal by focusing solely on one of them. Surely you can see the problems that would come from that, no?
We can’t go to egalitarianism only because the rich and poor.
The issue that I have is wanting these things or wanting more as an individual yes I am a woman and I get back last for doing the things that I want to do before. I’m in a marriage I’m by myself.
Feminism from the very beginning has always been about putting the boot on the necks of men. I would have to say though, not necessarily with Mary Wolstonecraft, but certainly from Seneca Falls onward. Men in attendance at Seneca were told shut up, your opinions don't matter, a sentiment still in effect today.
m not something I ever had to bother with
but, blamings others and everyone else for everything... is now the biggest sport in the world
because most men, even women not understand actual feminism!
Exactly I’ve read the movement. I am not a feminist. I am a womanist where you’re in concert with.
@Justneedtokno thoughtful!
Because feminism has ruined the traditional family, it leads the white race to extinction.
True feminism is amazing, healthy, and necessary.
Modern feminism promotes the mistreatment of peers.
They rather point their finger at the others long before they point their finger at themselves
It's definitely not a good thing
Again, do you know the actual definition and what it actually means have you looked at 1920s
Like what specifically because I don’t wanna be somebody’s property I want to have a say and who is president voting. Do you think that women hate men and I don’t
What you said there pretty much sums up with the problem is.
Feminism is this mixed up idea that women are free when they serve their employers but slaves when they serve their husbands.
There's nothing wrong with needing your partner and relying on that actually makes you more of a woman than less. The same rule applies as vice versa.
The reality is the world cannot solely be on a man shoulders anymore. That is difficult that is draining mentally we can’t do that to y’all and I think it’s fair if I want to go work and do the things that I need to do as a member of society.
Feminism is nothing more than female shit tests failed by men. We have an inch and they took a mile.
Feminism isn’t about equality or equal rights. The early feminists wanted to abolish any male authority, including the family. Any societal problem resulting from this is a direct result of feminism.
1) They don't know what real feminism is all about or what it's been turned into.
2) They're failures who can't find a decent woman, so they've decided that there are no decent women left and it's "the feminist's fault".
They were raised to believe that nothing is their fault. But feminism has attacked masculinity and that is a personal attack on the male ego.
You've got it flipside. It's feminists who blame men for everything.
Because it IS to blame for many things.
Like what specifically because I don’t wanna be somebody’s property I want to have a say and who is president voting did you read the 1920s version of what actual feminism is?
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