For the uninitiated, "4B" began in South Korea and the B comes from 4 Korean words that start with B.
Basically, it means:
It's tantamount to the female equivalent of MGTOW..."WTGOW".
I can't blame them.
Anyone old enough realizes that personal freedom gives you the greatest happiness.
Unfortunately, with all the toxic masculinity thanks to Trump, Andrew Tate, and conservative talk radio and now, with Roe v Wade having been overturned and with many states having abortion bans in place, the freedom and happiness of women is threatened - especially if they have relationships with men. Women are more likely now to get into shitty relationships because of shitty men - the kind who vote for Trump which they mostly did. Furthermore, if these women get pregnant, their freedom over their own bodies has now been taken away!
So, the safest way to stay happy is to avoid men and having children with them.
Really, I can't blame them. MGTOWs are fucked in the head because of their immaturity, but 4B are making a clear logical choice.
It's not against men, per se, but it's about women's freedom and happiness being at stake.
WRONG about it being equivalent to MGTOW... MGTOW Monk yes, but MGTOW still fuck and have relationships with women. Their tenants are 1) No cohabitation, 2) No marriage... but they still fuck with women. The whole reason is to prevent women from fucking them over.
MGTOW is just a system that teaches men how not to get raked over the coals by women and the gynocentric system. This strongly has a lot to do with being red-pilled which is just recognizing the true behaviors of women. 4B is an entirely different animal that makes sense in S. Korea, but these women in the west that claim they're going 4B... will be back to sucking cocks on Onlyfans in a matter of weeks.
What I don't get about your opinion is why is it that MGTOW is childish and 4B is simply logical? How exactly do you come to that conclusion?
@D_Bone_Steak Because it is. Men who have to go the MGTOW route are doing so because they are failing in their relationships with women. So, they make the assumption that "All Women = Bad", and thus they don't bother not suspecting that the fault could be in themselves. (*) They wouldn't be "raked over the coals" if they were smart in who they chose for a partner and mature enough to make their relationship work.
(*) For instance, suppose I am a baseball player and my average is 0.050... I get, on average, one hit every 20 at-bats. Eventually, my team lets me go. Now, I have a few different ways of looking at this:
1) Accept that maybe I am a shitty batter and give up baseball.
2) Accept that maybe I am a shitty batter, but will try and improve my hitting.
3) Blame the pitchers and umpires for making a very generous strike zone when I am at the plate and, for when I do make contact, the fielders for unfairly putting me out or the umpires for calling me out when I was "clearly" safe.
"MGTOW" baseball players are usually #3. Some may be #1 but at least they're not blaming someone else for their defects. Most mature men would be #2 and recognize that improvement comes with age and experience. At my age, I'd be a #1 now.
As for 4B, this is simply:
1) a protection mechanism from the potential adverse effects on unintended/unwanted pregnancy.
2) a way to maximize freedom and thus happiness.
Don't get me wrong. For a lot of men - even me - that "2)" is pretty good reason for "going my own way". But they are not blaming women for it.
With 4B, well, men get women pregnant and men vote conservative which usually goes against women's best interests. It's not so much blaming all men although I suspect some radical feminists do, but simply that they don't want the possible unfortunate consequences that can come with a relationship with a man.
How are MGTOW failing in their relationships? I mean you made a good point about how they'd be better off picking better women. Where's the better women though? The question for them has evolved to "Is there better women?" The issue has become more about our own society than with women. Simps are a bigger problem than women. Simps are the pay pigs that fund the e-whores, that are the family court judges that make a man pay child support for a kid that isn't his when she cheated, that will divorce rape a man and make him pay for "the lifestyle she's become accustomed to" in alimony, and so much more. The battle at this point is against the retarded blue pilled simps that enable all the original reasons MGTOW had to hate women for 10 years ago.
OK, I am not going to bother with this question anymore after this post because I know I am wasting my time.
First, you've drank the entire bowl of Kool-Aid. When you start using words like "simp" and "blue pill", this tells me that you are not an independent thinker, but one who is pissed because others have told you how to be pissed although, in your defense, you may share similar experiences.
This, to me, is the big yellow flag:
"Where's the better women though?"
They are there. You just need to look.
You are coming across as a whiny MGTOW wanting to blame women for all your problems.
It might be beneficial for many a MGTOW to accept what is stated here...
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Nature speaks in bottom lines. It does not give a shit about how you or anyone else feels about it. So, the key to happiness and survival is to understand it so you can survive in it.
This includes living in a civilization in which women exist and are needed to keep the species going.
So, perhaps the first thing a MGTOW ought to do to get back to being a functional member of society is realize that, perhaps, they need to look in the mirror instead of finding scapegoats in the world.
The ADL has a pretty good mirror right here...
TITLE: Men Going Their Own Way (MGTOW): What You Need to Know
www.adl.org/.../men-going-their-own-way-mgtow-what-you-need-know
I’m struggling to make the same connections you did. Trump hand-picked the judges that overturned Roe v. Wade and did so explicitly for that purpose while in office, I’m sure he has a statement confirming as much. The executive branch of the American government, aka the presidency, has no real control over the legislative branch of government, aka the supreme court. The executive, legislative, and congressional branches all have equal power and this is by design. However, it is the duty of the executive branch to fill any roles in the legislative branch as it is the people’s role to vote for any leadership making its way into the congressional branch (the house, the senate, and state supreme courts). Trump is indeed directly responsible for the removal of federal abortion rights.
P Diddy has no political power, and has been charged for his crimes. The ensuing progress of his criminal trial is in the hands of the appointed judge and jury. The power does not lie with the people outside of the court of public opinion, which ultimately has no standing on the outcome of the trial as the jury is told to not look at any media regarding the case while hearing testimony or deliberating about the evidence.
The 4b movement is an act of protest in the form of celibacy and the right to protest falls under the first amendment of the federal American constitution. You can’t stop them anymore than I can.
SCOTUS is the Judicial, but legislative.
Not legislative
I find it amusing how the 4B movement suddenly formed when Trump won, but they ignore children being sexual abused by P. Diddy, which is why it should be recognized as a criminal organization not a movement I wouldn’t be too surprised if all the women in that movement was brainwashed by him
The 4b movement hit the US about 2 years ago. It’s just gotten a resurgence in searches on google bc people are scared. The same way people are looking up aqua tofana and trying to find the recipe, despite it existing in our general knowledge for several centuries
Apparently your brain is on vacation or lost on some other planet if you think that Fucking Bastard trump was not the father of Roe being overturned. He is also the one that appointed the Cunt and Womanizer to the Supreme court for that purpose
@katiesmuff
Row V. s. Wade was never authorized by the Federal Constitution, even the far leftist RBG privately acknowledge it was "bad law".
The idea that a 11 page FEDERAL constitution of "few and defined" powers of a forign nature, and lacking any language even remotely related to the completely domestic subject could with a 150 years of contradictory practice and law suddenly be used to outlaw such a thing on a case by case basis is the definition of lawlessness.
Say what you will about the policy but this was not a legitimate way to impose it upon everyone.
From a policy perspective it is a insanely illresponsable for a country with a sub-replacement birth rate to kill those few babies which are conceived.
It is also inconsistent and unsustainable to base your right to human life on an entirely arbitrary point of development or independence for the propose of your personal convenience. This simply opens the door to moving that point wherever it is convene to the political majority.
@monorprise IMPOSED!!! R vs W wasn't IMPOSED on anyone, it was nothing more than giving anyone a CHOICE unlike you and your bible thumping turds who can't live without your filthy fucking nose in somebody else's business.
@katiesmuff
If you had a choice then you would have a choice to outlaw the behavior in your independent state goverment. Failing that your leaving the baby who's body your ripping apart and life your savagely taking no choice at all in the most traumatic event in their little life.
Not sure about current administration banning abortion. It appears to me The democrats are open for every women (young teens included) to have an abortion without parental consent (if appropriate) and or after birth.
The Supreme Court (rightly so) simply gave back the decision (which still stands) back to the states where the original case came from. The "court" only decides constitutionality. Once the original court did, all abortion issues should have been handled by legislators making laws. The actual verdict was used as a law which it is not.
The President (executive branch) and the judges (judicial branch) have no say in this. IT IS UP TO LEGISLATORS TO PASS LAWS! Only the legislators Federal or State. Any laws passed have to be reviewed
per the ruling of Roe vs Wade and can be overturned as unconstitutional.
There are girls out there cutting their hair and promoting a celebrate life due to the lies told about President Trump. Democrat leaders have a habit of calling or accusing others of what they are doing themselves.
I do believe the celebrate women deserve an "honorable mention" from the Darwin Award committee!
Good summary from an external to US view.
It is a generic problem across the West when judges start legislating. I think constitutional judges should be constrained as to how they can make decisions. Mostly that has already been decided by the courts themselves as to what documents they can look at and the order in which they can.
It is court adventurism with implied rights that needs to be constrained. Deciding what should be the outcome and finding implied rights always risks another iteration of the same court reversing the decisions.
The Roe vs Wade reversal will be a significant judgement internationally - at least in the Anglosphere - as a very good bad example. Not significant for the subject matter of the case because, except for the US, there were political debates on abortion and a consensus eventually emerged.
In my country it was always a state responsibility - never Federal - and eventually states harmonized their legislation so the same regime exists across the whole country.
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The movement is perfect and I 100% support it. All the women doing it are the only ones who need abortions because they refuse birth control or to pick wisely about who they have sex with.
So those women will stop fucking the football team and every Tom, Dick, and Harry that winks at them in the right way. Good. They themselves are making the need for all those abortions obsolete.
Let's be real though... they're going to suck and fuck the first guy they think is hawt.
The rest of the women simply don't need abortions... not their problem. Most women are not useless sex toys with nothing else to offer.
What "abortion ban"? The Supreme Court ruled that abortion isn't a federal matter- there COULDN'T be an abortion ban that level; it would immediately get thrown out. There are state-level restrictions, but neither Biden nor Trump have anything to do with those. It's like blaming Trump for the Flying Elephant crisis or the Martian riots.
That said, these women are mostly whiny toddlers throwing a tantrum because they didn't get their way (and yet they DON'T like Trump; maybe they feel he did it too well and they can't compete?), but their lives are THEIR lives, and they should be free to make their own choices. Why stand in their way?
The funny thing is a lot of those women in those videos are women men don’t want. Who are loud mouthed. Colored hair. They’re not doing a disservice to us men. Actually they’re doing a good thing for us men. Eventually as a lot of these women realize they made a mistake, now they’re much older to where no man really wants them. Especially these young girls who are so influential by people like Taylor Swift. A lot of the older women in those videos realized that, now they’re just mad men don’t want them so they’re bitter. Now they’re trying to get other men to side w them, to end up like them.
This one is really, REALLY simple: If you want dick, go out there and get dick. If you want to have a family and kids, go out there and get a man, get married, get knocked up and raise a beautiful family. If you want to be a lesbian, go out there and munch that carpet like a champion! If you want to be a blue-haired harpy, go out there and be the star of future memes.
Just figure out what YOU want to do that's right for YOU and go for it. But don't buy into someone else's program just because they're selling it.
This is a completely ludicrous concept 4B , akin to " Slut walk " bullshit , the entire concept that it were that simple , " Slut walk " began when a policeman offered some good common sense advice.
Just like the abortion marches ( non of them would ever need an abortion ) , its just utterly utterly ridiculous.
The supreme court's decision when they overturned Roe was that each individual state will have to decide what they allow or not allow.
It is not the president.
I guess my opinion is let them do whatever they want to do.
The remaining women that do not join that movement will have less competition for the remaining available males that appeal to them.
having seen what these 4B women look like, I ain't worried in the slightest
these 4B women are telling the whole world that women only have sex to offer to society
now if these 4B women would tell men they were cutting off access to electricity, water, food, transport, infrastructure, internet, emergency services, national security, international security etc. then yeah maybe we should be worried but those fields are primarily dominated by men
@Unit1 these liberal women would be opening up their legs for Chad and Tyrone in a heartbeat
@Unit1 regardless, the moment a hot guy walks through the door, the 4B movement walks out
OMG this is such BULLSHIT! Trump takes CREDIT for ending Roe v Wade... it's on tape, girl. This is just so whacked. Project 2025 is real, and yes Diddy needs to pay for his crimes. WTF does that have to do with red states instituting laws that are KILLING women in need of health care during pregnancies?
The world is going mad!
They are not having sex or babies now with anyone but the tiny 20% of the male population already on their side.
So I'm not really sure how the half of the female population that does this expects to accomplish anything beyond avoiding needless STD's from the fraction of men sleeping with every other woman.
They might take this down because it's not a question.
I think the idea of punishment and villiifying people for holding different beliefs than you in regards politics, religion etc is a major reason why trump won again.
These shit stain women are basically weeding them selves out of the gene pool. What these idiots fail to understand, for every one woman who follows that idiocy, there are 100 to take her place. That is the reason it never took off in Korea, and it will go exactly nowhere here. What I have to say to those that follow it... Enjoy your cats ladies, and thank you for adding just a bit of chlorine to the gene pool, and making your selves obvious as unworthy dating/marriage options.
Miss Jasmine, you are a smart woman. I'm grateful for women like you who see through the bullshit so many women fall for.
In my opinion the 4B movement isn’t supporting women they’re supporting pedophiles and losers who been brainwashed by them
So when people join cults, the first thing the cults do is cut off people from family, friends, and outside socialization. The lunatic left is doing that to all these women.
How does women doing 4B support P Diddy? Or Biden or Harris? How does it hurt Trump?
Something new about P Diddy comes out like everyday, that bastard was busy 😂
Men like P Diddy creates the 4B movement to manipulated women not to trust men but the goal is to teach women how to normalize abusive relationships
I believe it, I be saying crazy shit like that too, people think I'm nuts 😂
I believe P Diddy actually had control over many celebs and important people, from what I heard he would host parties have people do wild shit, record it and then blackmail them with it.
It’s literally funny how the 4B movement has the energy to attack Trump but not p Diddy and Shia labeouf it’s pretty obvious they support those two losers
Yep it's all connected, people are against anything good, trump abides by Christian principles and trumps whole intentions is to better our country, many people have it twisted on what good is and believe anything that's a threat to their evil movements is bad and want to eliminate or destroy anything that stands in the way of their twisted agendas, P Diddy and all these celebrities are all part of that agenda to influence and control the population, Kamala was buying off people to vote for her, P Diddy is the answer to a lot of unanswered questions about the evil industry that we all seem to call the illuminati, a big organization meant to confuse and control.
It shows humans are easily controlled. Especially when it comes to money, fame. They sell their soul to. Nothing new. If not P D. Then it’s others with selfish mean intentions… many fall victim…. Easily.
Very well said midnight 🙃👏🏼
Refusing to have sex with men confirms what men have known all along. All women have to offer is sex. Even women have finally admitted it.
I just never really enjoyed it all that much unless it was with someone I was really in love with, I think all men and women should refuse it unless they are in a committed loving relationship.
@whirled_up_girl It's nice to hear this kind of voice of reason from a woman. It really makes it sink in that it was perfectly possible for some 52% of white women (and some women of other backgrounds) to vote for Trump and that there is still hope for Western societies. Oh, and @KrakenAttackin... I know You are feeling triumphant right now, but reconciliation with those women who have kept their sanity through the dark times of the Democratic rule and actually have more to offer than just sex would be the best way to go. There is still a battle to be fought far in the future... Like... Some hundreds of years in the future... And You sure don't want to be absent from that fight.
@whirled_up_girl I enjoy sex with hookers, or girls that just want the sex... but when it comes to relationship material... the strings attached... that's going to be stressful, demanding, and the odds are I will lose more than I gain. She'd have to be really serious about commitment with no red flags and a net-positive rather than a net-negative addition to my day-to-day life.
I'm really just saying the addition of "relationship" attached to the sex, usually makes the sex... where the juice just isn't worth the squeeze.
@D_Bone_Steak My man the poet. Spot on sir.
It's all a Chinese psyop to depopulate the west.
It’s could be abusive men trying to do that like Ezra miller and p diddy it’s the reason why they brainwashed to make the 4B movement
Brainwashed women I mean
As a conservative... Oh wow 4B women dont wanna whore around. My life is ruined... 🤣🤣🤣 Honestly it seems like they just want for attention.
(Hopefully) Nobody tries to force women into these things. They are free to choose. No more, no less.
Just google "Iceland women's strike" THEN answer the OP question.
So what you are telling me is that nothing has changed.
They can all go to heLLo. Good riddance to them. Nobody will miss their man hating 🤮
These women can leave this country.
Why should they? It is a democracy after all, they have to date or not, marry or not, have sex or not, have children or not.
@whirled_up_girl because they said if trump wins they would leave. So they should leave asap.
I support the 4B movement because it'll help bring overpopulation under control
I think they got a lot more to worry about on all thing's since the election
Honey, baby girl lol
I know that many people dislike Trump, but the Democratic Party has also changed.
It's the same as MGTOW it's so awkward
Tell those trump voters. Tell em'!
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