Why Oppose MGTOW (movement of men who boycott women) ?

[Phanta]

I'm unfamiliar with the movement

I support MGTOW and similar movements that boycott women

I want men to be victimized by women

I enjoy being condescending and acting superior to others, and telling total strangers how to live their lives

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[Grobmate]

I actually find most people don't understand MGTOW. Which I find hard to digest, because the very name itself explains what the "movement is all about".

Men, Going, Their, Own, Way.

It doesn't mean that they are avoiding, condemning or ignoring interaction with all women at all. It means that they refuse to live under the unjust gynocentric society, and it's poor advocacy for egalitarianism. By this they mean that the Legal System, The Media, The Education System and Law Enforcement are all controlled by the Extreme Left, (and they are).

And... I can't argue with them if you view the statistics. Now if the MGTOW Movement were misogynistic woman-haters, which they aren't, then I could see a cause for people to draw issue with their "ideology". But the fact is.. MGTOW doesn't have an ideology, nor can it trace it's roots back to Marxism or any other Socialist dogma.

From what I understand, it is also temporary. The only way to win the battle against tyrannical power is to overpower it, (not possible given what is controlled by the extreme left), or … don't play the game. These men simply choose not to play the game, and that is entirely their right. I don't judge them.

The cornerstone of any Feminist campaign, (or any other Marxist construct), is a victimhood narrative, which Feminism has. It uses scientifically disproven propaganda and theories to justify this victimhood status. If its followers for one second discovered that women haven't been oppressed in the greater Western World since the 1940's the movement would absolutely self-implode.

They combat this through censorship. But they only censor the opposition. Social media platforms such as Twitter, Tumblr, Facebook and Instagram ALL run censorship campaigns to deny the Far Right their freedom of speech, yet at the same time preserving that of the Far Left.

Now I've lost a house and land, 2 cars, a boat, my children and most of my retirement savings through divorce court, so I would say that qualifies me to align with MGTOW, but I don't. Why don't I? well, for similar reasons as to why I am an atheist.

First-hand I have seen war, famine, disease, genocide and all manner of man-kinds ugliness. These things happen because of 1. Religion, 2. Politics and 3. Greed. And those three things happen because of Man-kind's free choice.

No God could or would ever create a world or species like this. And if a God did... he/she would NOT have designed a species, with 2 genders who are designed to combine to form the ultimate bond, and allow this crap to occur.

Because MGTOW does NOT have an ideology, save for some "perceived principles", it is not controlled or regulated. It is just as much open to fanaticism as movements of the Far Left. I understand why Men are going MGTOW, and gosh I don't blame them. It is inevitable and as divisive as feminism is, but MGTOW didn't start the fire either. If we were to play the blame game, we would go back to the route cause of all of this crap, which as hard to swallow as it is, is Religion. Biblical society, plain and simple.

Mankind will always have a hierarchical structure, and will always need a hierarchical structure. The animal kingdom is no different. That's how natural selection works!!!

If Man-Kind wilfully enables either the Extreme Right, or the Extreme Left to have control, the hierarchy and life as we know it collapses, and you get MGTOW and Feminism. Centre-left and Centre-right must prevail, because that is the only place where common sense exists.

Now you can say people can and should do what they want. That's all well and good until they're invading your country or destroying your country from within because someone wasn't happy with a hierarchy...

The Government and Structure is not there for Fairness, or Right or Wrong it is there to prevent anarchy!

Climbing off my soap box now.

[Phanta]

Grobmate: You were headed for MHO for sure, but then you blew it by speaking against the far Right. Why did you feel that you had to go and act stupid after such a nice start for your post?

[Grobmate]

At no stage have I spoken against the Far Right. I have spoken against the EXTREME of both Left and Right.

[Phanta]

I support the American Nazi Party. www.americannaziparty.com
Is that too "extreme" for you?

[Grobmate]

And by extreme, I mean by definition. MHO is nice, but inconsequential to me, as my opinions, which are based on facts, do not revolve around the likelihood of whether my opinion will achieve MHO status or not.

When you have conflict, the further apart from each other the viewpoint of the protagonists, or in this case Activists are, the more severe the problem. The Centre-Left and Centre-Right will find a common ground easier than the extreme-left and extreme-right. This Is also true for the far-left and far-right. This is predicated from every conflict that has ever occurred on our Planet.

Cheers,

[Grobmate]

Yep. That's extreme. Nazism is the Extreme-Right. Well done.

[Phanta]

Thanks

[GuidoThePizzaMaker]

I oppose MGTOW because it is anti-family
It tells men that their resentment towards women is justified, although its ok to resent modern women, its important to understand that these women are just doing what they have been told, to be sluts and be rebellious. By understanding you can forgive them

We need to lead our women not abandon them

[Phanta]

You can't lead women if they refuse to be led. You cannot have a healthy family with a woman if no woman wants to have a stable family with you. It's men being victimized with alimony and child support payments.

[GuidoThePizzaMaker]

Amen, however the real challenge is finding women who want to be led, which is extremely difficult nowadays. Thats the challenge of todays men.

They want us to abandon our women and not build families.

[normalice]

@Phanta you're going to have to reconcile this with your brethren who claim they want "independent" women, which is code for "I don't what her getting any of my money." Child support is only a thing if you divorce someone who had to quit working, (thus falling behind in their hireablility) while they raised your child. If you want an independent woman who has her own job, you don't get a stable family out of it. If you forgo her independence for stability, then you've made her dependent on you and must continue to support her if you divorce. That's just a fair price for breaking promises, in my opinion..

[ConfusednClueless]

Some men don't want to be the sole leader. They was to be a team. My parents have been a team for 27 years. Strong family. Strong team dynamic. Find a women that has your views. There are plenty of them. Just like there are plenty of men with team views. As for the slut comment. Men have been doing the same thing for years. If you truly wanted to lead women then why give them such a bad example to fallow?

[GuidoThePizzaMaker]

@ConfusednClueless I agree, men set a terrible example, however, men were led astray too.
Two wrongs dont make a right. Also, every team needs a leader. they need a captain. an authority figure to rally around when things get tough. Thats the Role of the Husband and father.

Any man who does not want to be a leader to his family, isn't ready to be a father.

I 100% agree that a Husband and wife need a shared vision

[ConfusednClueless]

Well my parents acted as one leader together. I do agree with allowing the man to lead but not because I need him to. I let him take the lead because he has a pride complex that I don't have nor need to fullfill. The pride complex is essential in his idea manleyness and his self worth. Therefore it is essential for me to allow him space to fullfill that complex. So, even though I can fix my own issues. I let him do so because it makes him feel like he is taking care of me. Then I thank him.

[GuidoThePizzaMaker]

@ConfusednClueless That works too. God bless you, you seem like you have a good head on your shoulders.

[ConfusednClueless]

Thank You! Sir

[Phanta]

@normalice : I hate the idea of independent women.

[ConfusednClueless]

I hate the idea that my grandmother was stuck with my grandfather because he forced her to quite her job then beat her, talked down to her, and cheated on her regulary. Still does talk down to her. Yet, people love him because he "provided" for his family. As the independent women she helped raise. I refuse to make her watch me go throw the same.

[Phanta]

Men are under no obligation to waste their entire lives trying to find a decent woman. That's something you're confused about.

[ConfusednClueless]

First of all how does your comment have to do with mine? My grandmother catered to my grandfather hand and foot and still does. Women are under no obligation to lower their worth to make a man feel good about his lack of worth. That's were you're confused.

[Phanta]

@ConfusednClueless : What are you talking about here?

[mistixs]

"Men Going Their Own Way." The Bible speaks extremely negatively of people "going their own way."

Isaiah 56:11 "Yea, they are greedy dogs which can never have enough, and they are shepherds that cannot understand: they all look to ****their own way,**** every one for his gain, from his quarter."

Isaiah 66:3 "He that killeth an ox is as if he slew a man; he that sacrificeth a lamb, as if he cut off a dog's neck; he that offereth an oblation, as if he offered swine's blood; he that burneth incense, as if he blessed an idol. Yea, they have chosen *****their own ways,***** and their soul delighteth in their abominations. "

Prov 1 "30 They would none of my counsel: they despised all my reproof. 31 Therefore shall they eat of the fruit of ****their own way,**** and be filled with their own devices. 32 For the turning away of the simple shall slay them, and the prosperity of fools shall destroy them."

Don't get me wrong. It's fine to be unmarried. Jesus was unmarried. But you're supposed to be going GOD'S way, not your own way.

MGTOW are often bitter and angry towards women:

Ephesians 4:31-32 "Let all bitterness, and wrath, and anger, and clamour, and evil speaking, be put away from you, with all malice: And be ye kind one to another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, even as God for Christ's sake hath forgiven you."

Col 3:8 "But now ye also put off all these; anger, wrath, malice, blasphemy, filthy communication out of your mouth."

If you want to remain unmarried, then act as a "eunuch for the Kingdom of Heaven." Don't be bitter and constantly talking down on women.

[GuidoThePizzaMaker]

Thats damn right! God bless you.
Christians know there is one way.

[Phanta]

mistixs: The majority of women are in rebellion against Go's will for men to lead, and they are arrogant, and man-hating. This sin must be rebuked. I'll be you say nothing to women who speak against men, only against men who speak against women. With some Christians, I think that the Devil ought to retire since they're doing his job for him.

[mistixs]

First off, it's not a majority of women. Second off, you can rebuke the sin without being rude and misogynistic, as MGTOW often are. In fact, rebuking the sin would be more effective if you're polite about it & not misogynistic, because if you're rude and misogynistic, then it will just make women angry.

[Phanta]

Yes it is a majority of women. Talking doesn't work against people who are hell-bent on being completely selfish. Legal action must be taken.

[SpiderManFan2002]

Funny how most of the MGOTW men, claim they're pro-life but don't realise by boycotting women, they're actually having a negative impact on life because if a man boycotts a woman (or vice versa) it means he wants nothing to do with her, so that must also means he does not want to procreate with her- so if all men were MGTOW we'd die out as a species.

[Robertcw]

I think that’s the point actually. They are trying to put pressure on women in order to reverse the empowerment of feminism and regain some sexual leverage.

[ChurchOfIron]

I understand MGTOW. Society is very much anti-man, at this point. To the point where the American Psychological Association recently let out a statement saying that masculinity is a mental disorder. That's how bad it's getting.

As for MGTOW, as I said. I understand it. But I do not agree with it. Yes, women can be shitty. Yes, fundamentally, there are some biological reasons women use and abuse men. Yes, society tends to prefer women over men in many ways. However. Once you know what those issues are, you can counter them.

Men and women are two halves to the same whole. I view MGTOW as trying to abandon half of yourself. And, truly, it is a fearful movement, is it not? It is "Women are scary. I'm going to protect myself by not being with them." Basically. Correct me if I'm wrong: no condescension here.

My thing is the ManOSphere. I believe in protecting men from some bullshit societal views and actions that are going on right now, especially in the court system.

But. I love women. And I do not want to leave them. I want to live my life in such a way so as to benefit both of us. I believe in understanding female nature and understanding male nature, then melding them into one.

Again. We are two halves to the same whole. Go Red Pill, instead. Learn about women. Then learn how to be a man. Learn how to develop a great relationship that is beneficial to both of you. And when you become a man, you won't have to fear any of the bullshit.

[ElectricSupply]

If it’s right for you, go ahead.

This is straight from the official MGTOW FAQ:

“The internet was also created by men (for other men), and it is only by our divine manly grace that women are permitted to use it.”

The Internet was actually created by researchers for use by the US Department of Defense and there were women who pioneered the many technologies involved: Pam Hardt-English, Lixia Zhang, Radia Perlman, and others.

That statement typifies the constipated illogic of the lifestyle, and whatever “divine manly grace” is, I must not have it, nor have I ever noticed it on another man.

Personally, I enjoy being on the planet with women and I find my relationships with them to be those which are actually the most fulfilling.

I can’t change how you think and, as far as this goes, I really don’t care enough to oppose the lifestyle.

[CountessSarah]

I don't think I've ever seen anyone actively oppose MGTOW, just respond to things they've seen MGTOWs say.
If some rando doesn't want to be involved in relationships or whatever, go right ahead not doing that. Only when people start spouting sexist nonsense or pseudo-science do I start caring.

[ConfusednClueless]

They do that? 😮 That's horrible.

[CountessSarah]

@ConfusednClueless
Some, yes.

[ConfusednClueless]

Damn, known about this for 10 minutes and already found a few. Facepalm*

[ThisIsMyOpinion]

I have nothing against mgtow that just do that, go their own way and don't bother anyone.
About the mgtow that try to tell others that women are this evil creatures that aren't capable of love. Well we do have a problem now... Those mgtow only see men as victims and women as perpetrators.
Someone needs to tell them that everyone can hurt others regardless of their gender.

[normalice]

Because it (and the incel thing) is a movement started by republicans and/or Russian trolls in an effort to tap into the energy of sexually frustrated men to redirect against progressive policies, in general.

[Lance1965]

I support MGTOW as I have seen the destructive way women and more importantly the way the court system has affected the lives of some men, including myself. However it is not a road I want to go down.

[Ram0n83]

Other: I'm not opposed to it, but I'm not all for it, either. If you're going to take this approach of complete and voluntary isolation from women, then you might as well join a monastery.

[ConfusednClueless]

Don't take this offensivley but what is boycotting women? Is this a gay group? Also, why are your choices so one sided?

[Phanta]

Boycotting means avoiding interaction with as much as possible. This is a straight male group. I don't know of anyone who opposes the movement because they truly care about the men who are involved in it. MGTOW men are not hurting anybody, so why oppose it.

[ConfusednClueless]

I agree, but others can have different beleifs and still not be opposing. To each there own tho. If you like it, I love it. 💯👌🏻

[mistixs]

@Phanta They spew endless misogyny.

[ConfusednClueless]

Someone said they say sexist stuff to. Is that true? I mean saying you don't want to be involved with women is one thing but bashing them is another.

[Phanta]

@mistixs : And women spew endless hate against men. Do you speak against that as well, or are you full of shit?

[Phanta]

ConfusednClueless: Evil needs to be bashed

[douride2]

I don't appose it. I had never heard of that movement till I came to GAG. Truthfully this is about the only place I ever hear it mentioned.

[Hurdleez-Swampede]

Block the wring person and you risk getting hacked too. Remember you never know who you are blocking or what they are thinking or how skilled they are.

I don't think the movement should be sought after.

[Izumiblu]

Don’t confuse indifference with disagreement.

I fail to understand why mgtow guys don’t actually go their own way. Like if they’re going to do it do it already.

[Phanta]

I'm not confusing anything. It's you who are confused.

[Izumiblu]

If you say so

[Liam_Hayden]

I say do what you want. I prefer to be aware of the pitfalls and enjoy women.

[Pejtu]

mgtow basically means u will never get married but u will still smash bad bitches to sleep

[Pink2000]

I don’t think anoyone even cares.

[Phanta]

Apparently lots of people do, since they make such a stink about it.

[Pink2000]

Do they really?

[Phanta]

Yes. There's a good chance that they don't care, but they sure raise on issue with it. Probably just to act superior and harass people.

[abc3643]

I voted E: MGTOWs need to grow up.

[ivanhunterjo]

I support MGTOW