What do you think of Notre-Dame de Paris after its renovation?

[Julie4]

https://youtu.be/QutOHQykkHI?si=8QVW9j6uVn9DqNoO

[lightbulb27]

Amazing! the skill of craftsman is remarkable

I wonder what does it mean to the people anymore? Does France and the French value the inspiration for all of this or did they rebuild an ancient relic because is a tourist site.

e. g. value the inspirer not the building. Whom thus, is the inspiriation and why...

Realize as well, this is kinda of a temple... but what is the real temple of value? That be you.

vive le français

[Julie4]

Haha yeah vive la France

As for the rest, you should know that the French have long ceased to be a very religious people.

[lightbulb27]

yes, that's my point. I guess WWII did that... hard to see "love" in the slaughter of mankind.
That makes it just a relic...

[lightbulb27]

PS what Jesus talked about was building the temple inside of the person. The prior religion to him... Jewish... built temples just like Notradame. God was in that temple. The Jewish leaders walked around with the "words of god" literally attached to their heads. Problem was... it wasn't in their hearts... where Jesus said it should be. Apostle Paul spoke to that when people were honoring statues 2000 years ago.
WWII... lots of people hauled around their Bibles and killed people. There's a few examples of those that held to their beliefs, maybe there are many I don't know.
So that's what I'm saying... the only thing important is if that temple of God lives inside you. The building although amazing, is useless rubble.
That's just some context for you when I read your question, what I thought. we all need to keep our "temples" in good condition...

[lightbulb27]

this may be more of a problem in usa, I'm not sure... but we will step over the "beauty" of the human being on the sidewalk and stand in awe... of the building made out of stones. It's really sad. we all need to work on our hearts. That is what Jesus inspired (or his mom)... inspired that building.

[Julie4]

France actually began to become less religious in the 18th century, long before any other country. This had consequences for French demographics.

Several historians have shown that, for example, in the 17th century, it was very difficult not to find a mention of Christ in wills, but during the 18th century, they became a minority in France

[lightbulb27]

interesting. Napoleon? Lost a lot of people...

[Julie4]

Almost a million died under Napoleon, but French demographics increased, however as I said during the 18th century, French demographics began to decline, while other European countries were experiencing population growth.

[lightbulb27]

not seeing that.
www.statista.com/.../
this doesn't show "native" French vs immigration.

[Julie4]

In a recently published book on the French economy, historian Charles Serfaty notes

"from 1750 onwards, the French population's share of Europe's population would decline significantly, and the wars of the Revolution would be the last great conflict in which France would dominate demographically ¹¹¹¹.

The country experienced a drop in mortality at the beginning of the 18th century, then the birth rate began to fall in turn from 1750 onwards, a hundred years earlier than for all other European countries. "

[lightbulb27]

better living standards maybe benefited... but why not as much reproduction?

[MisterWack]

2011:

2024:

Looks 95% The same with the checkered floor, archways, hanging chandeliers, and the columns also painted glass… Only thing I can see is the lack of warmth, more cool toned.

I see it as fine ig, I never saw it in person or held a high standard to the Notre Dome Cathedral so I’m probably least qualified to give an opinion on this topic of restoration though I admire the work done since it was no easy task after such a big disastrous fire. Did a better job than “monkey Jesus” painting restoration job lol.

[purplepoppy]

They could have put some decent chairs in.

The problem with mass restoration projects is you lose the history ingrained in the structure, everything looks too clean and clinical. It never feels like your in a space steeped in generations of history.

[Julie4]

In fact, they cleaned everything etc., because there was dust that had accumulated over several centuries.

In fact, the monument is as white as when it was built.

[KrakenAttackin]

If Muslims hadn't burned it down it wouldn't have had to be restored.

[purplepoppy]

It'll make a nice mosque

[KrakenAttackin]

Eventually it will end up as a mosque at the rate Europe is going.

[KostasKouvalis]

Yes, I agree

[Dargil]

It beats the hell out of modern glass and steel architecture. Even Trump's. I prefer Greek to Gothic, though. I would like to see a cathedral designed in classical Greek.

[purplepoppy]

Agreed. It's amazing how many medieval buildings are still in use yet modern ones crumble in just a few decades

[KostasKouvalis]

@KrakenAttackin Nah, not in France. For the countries strict anti-racism policies they still don't put up with bullshit from Muslims. Even Liberal Macron said, "Mocking Islam is legal in France, chopping heads off isn't." The fact that Muslims hate France so much is a testament to how France doesn't put up with their bullshit. The French are by far the best at preserving their culture and history.

[KrakenAttackin]

@KostasKouvalis I hope you are right.

[Gwendoline]

It's a great job. Great that they were able to save this house of God.

[DryGermanGuy]

Looks really amazing. Check out this 60 Minutes documentary for some before and after pictures:

https://youtu.be/UQe4bi5PW1Y?si=HGBiMBAtf_SMrOI1

[KostasKouvalis]

I don't like that particular video you posted. It looks like AI, so it's kind of difficult to judge. But whatever. In Poland we have a saying, "A genius won't notice, an idiot will think it's supposed to be like that."

[Julie4]

No connection with ia here

[BCA6010]

I'm glad it's not a total abomination but that bright white lighting looks horrendous. Gothic cathedrals should always be dimly lit and physically imposing, both inside and out.

[Zack-Bann]

Been living in Paris for 4 years now and I still haven’t been able to visit this architectural and historical wonder.


I can’t wait to do so when it finally opens up again

[Bricealan]

I have not seen it since the restoration after the damaging fire, but did see it prior when I was in Paris in 2008. I hope to someday return to Paris and see it first hand.

[BCRanger10]

The altar is ugly as sin, but that can be fixed quickly and easily by a good and holy bishop. Other than that, it looks beautiful.

[DJB72]

It looks like pretty much every "restored" church I've seen. They could have done with studying ecclesiastical history for what it would have looked like after it was originally built.

[abc3643]

When I was in Paris on Bastille Day Weekend 2007, I wish I had visited Notre Dame. Instead, I saw it from the Tour d'Eiffel.

[AviatorTom]

I'm glad that I visited Notre Dame years ago, in its original state. The renovation is okay, but some important history has been lost forever.

[Gold618]

It looks really nice. They did a good job of it.

[NathanDavis]

le fuq?

what are those chairs?

[RavVid]

Damn good job. It was a tragedy it burnt. It is the major of my time in Paris

[exitseven]

I wonder what happened to the hunchback guy?

[msc545]

Absolument merveilleux et magnifique. Vraiment artistique !

[Julie4]

Oui je suis d'accord avec vous. Votre Français est excellent

[Iron_Man]

It looks nice, but I’m not a big fan of the checkered floor and those chairs have got to go

[Crazzyyworld]

They already finished it? Wow Canada will take 20 years

[noohair]

It is beautiful what a coat of paint will do. lol... lol...

[WhitneySnow]

Beautiful. Love it.

[Dongie]

Beautiful!!

[Staximus]

I wish I got to see it before the fire

[SpaceGalaxy]

Hunchback won't care about the makeover.

[Jamie05rhs]

🇫🇷 💙🤍♥️

[eagle1951]

cool