The bill is dead. Is this a good thing?

[exitseven]

President Trump shut down the 100 billion dollar spending bill that will prevent a government shutdown until March. He and Elon Musk claim it is loaded with waste and unnecessary spending. Are you happy that somebody is trying curb needless waste in the government or would you rather they just rubber stamped this monster bill and increase the debt even more?

[sage2021]

It all depends on what they believe to be considerable waste. They are both billionaires and what they think is waste might be lifesaving for someone else who depends on what they are going to eliminate. Could be disasterous for a lot of people.

[exitseven]

there were items listed. One was funding an agency that was in charge of censorship. There were others including an obscene pay raise for the congress.

[onedarkcloud]

And the best part that no one mentioned is that congresspeople's emails could not be subpoenaed for any reason. Your email my email can be subpoenaed for any reason but theirs can't that stinks to high heaven. Fifteen hundred pages of PORK BARREL SPENDING and less than a day to read it just like Pelosi did with Obama care her words were vote it and then read it and look at the screwing the people got on that one, we are still getting screwed by that. Plus this bill was tacked on hundreds of millions in pork barrel spending for every other country but our own again that has been done for the last ten years as a present to THE DEMOCRATIC COMMUNIST PARTY OF AMERICA.

[sage2021]

Thank you for the MHO 7 🙂🧁🌷

[Anonymous]

Yepper. They are tired of giving in to th edems. Let the govt partially shut down.

[Opinion Owner]

Jut heard a third one is in progress but doubtful it will get passed... shut down looming.

[razelove]

I heard about that on the radio. Along with one member pushing to shut it down not simply for a government shut down, but to force voting on these budget items one by one so they stand on their merits and increase transparency.

That sounds like a good idea, an absolute nightmare for the people on capital hill... but aren't they trying to push a pay raise into it? Time to earn that Christmas bonus! We work for it anyway, and the no taxes on overtime hasn't been passed.

[OlderAndWiser]

We are in a situation in which subtle changes will not be enough.

[D_Bone_Steak]

I think the practice of shoving a bunch of shit inside of a single bill, a bill that's so long nobody is going to logically read it all, should be removed. They should vote on every single issue as stand-alone issues. Trans gender rights in Iran money shouldn't be stacked with something like their own salaries.

Also there is no way to hold the individuals voting for bullshit accountable without them voting on single issues at a time. I mean seriously, they don't even know what's in those giant bills.

That's my take on it, and it has nothing to do with Democunts or Republifucks.

[MarjorieJ]

Biden shouldn’t be getting paid to sleep at the beach every day.

[exitseven]

apparently he has been in a coma for the last 4 years.

[MarjorieJ]

He's such a joke.

[BuggerBoy]

I entirely concur with your comment.

[NaultD]

Come on dude.

Don isn't swore into office protecting us from domestic or foreign dangerous actions is still influencing our government. To what end? If it was for our sake have a rally and pressure our current government under the freedom of speech and rally even as president elect.

Don and elon are jerk off in our faces how above the law they are. Knowing you guys love it and want more.

[BuggerBoy]

The democrats wanted to kill Trump, do you believe that they value democratic values?, I don’t think.

[NaultD]

@BuggerBoy at best dance on the grave but (avoiding fed post) is too much. Even all three recent attempts and one assassination wasn't card carrying leftist. It's easy to say they are closer to conservative then blue hair liberal.

[Daniela1982]

All of Congress are a bunch of tossers. I can't see them getting a fat raise when no one else does? Their salary should be reliant on how well the economy is. These bunch of goose eggs should get a raise when people still can't afford to buy food or pay their rent?

[Miristheiss]

Yes. Trump isn't president yet so I don't know he has the power to do anything about a bill pending right now but I am all for the government not wasting our tax money.

I know how corrupt politicians try to push these end of session bills through with all kinds of waste and special pork projects where they do favors for donors and push stuff through that was never discussed.

I am all for cutting out corruption and dirty politics and government waste.

[AviatorTom]

Stopgap measures are rarely good. Congress and the Biden Administration have the Constitutional responsibility to prepare and pass a budget before the previous budget expires. They should be held to that.

Current law makes a government shutdown no big deal, since about 90% of the government conti8nues to operate. How about repealing that and having government fully shutdown when there is no budget. That would force Congress and the President to pass a budget before it expires.

[goaded]

President-elect Musk almost shut down the government without getting a single vote.

If you have a small majority in a democracy, you can only pass what the most moderate members of your party will allow or you need votes from the other side. That's how it works!

[goaded]

By the way, the Republicans defunded the IRS by $20 billion, so now it can't afford to go after billionaires.

It's a well-known fact that funding the IRS more than pays for itself in revenues.

[Massageman]

Yes. It's perplexing that we would need a bill of ~1,500 pages just to say "continue as before", so you KNOW that something is amiss with 1,499 pages of the ol' pork barrel. And members of Congress trying to give themselves a healthy boost due to "inflation" - heck, they CAUSED much of it. Since "PROgress" means moving forward, what does that make "CONgress"?

[DrPepper12]

It's not the bill. These are all tests for fluffers Congress.

How far will they go to support Dear Leader?
How much musk interference will they tolerate?
How are these stunts playing with various groups like evangelicals, military, uneducated white males, the biz elite, etc

This is a test for autocracy. GOP is dead. Long live MAGA! Right?

[seeyounexttuesday]

Yup. The uniparty is on its way out to the benefit of the country.

[DrPepper12]

Uh huh

[Anonymous]

Borrowing money we don't have to support a goverment we don't want doesn't sound like a good idea.

[lightbulb27]

yes, but it's a mess and has been for 20 years of ignoring the issue. there will eventually be pain on wall street and main street as the credit card is pulled back.

[Anonymous]

Ummmm, Trump wants the debt limit increased now. He isn't trying to cut spending.

[Kelley1]

That is good if he means it but he doesn't. In the end, he will agree to it

[Dargil]

I'd let it shut down. The Rinos and Dems will have to wake up and not keep kicking the can down the road. Sooner or later its going to happen anyway.

[Anonymous]

If anyone cares about keep the gov funded, they write a small bill/CR/whatever to focus only on the bare necessities and no other BS. This is just politics. Degenerates.

[Lynx122]

Trump increased the debt the most with the covid furlough.

[MarjorieJ]

What does that have to do with this bill?

[Lynx122]

@MarjorieJ Conservatives always pretend like they care about the deficit but they don't that's what it has to do with the bill. They always have a different goal. They just use the deficit as a convenient lie.

[MarjorieJ]

So you want this wasteful spending bill?

[Lynx122]

@MarjorieJ I don't care about the bill cancel it. I just don't like false narratives that people like to believe.

[MarjorieJ]

Then you're happy. Good.

[Likes2drive]

It’s good, maybe they can get rid of the waste for good, there’s so much of it, and we keep paying for it so taxes keep going up. Government was getting to big and wasteful

[genericname85]

i mean yeah. the usa has no money to spend. they're in a massive debt spiral. so anything that prevents anoter huge chunk of new debt is good.

[OddBeMe]

A clean budget bill to pay for things congress is legally required to do? No, its a travesty.

Even if it's 700 billion for defense and little to know housing or food supplements for the poor.

[Anonymous]

anyone complaining about this should go work for Elon and Vivek and see for themselves the actual government spending wastes

[Dongie]

Yes. Biden is just fucking everything he can up already. The corrupt regime is mad and he'll bent on America's destruction.

[Dongie]

My spell check us left-wing. I even gonna to say it.

[msc545]

The debt doesn't matter.

[RealMarek]

As long as the dollar is reserve currency, that’s true. Dedollarization is accelerating though and now most debt is held domestically, so we’ll find out that eventually debt does matter.

[exitseven]

@msc545 When the interest on the debt becomes larger that the entire defense budget it does.

[msc545]

We don't repay the debt so it does not matter how large it is.

[exitseven]

what hapens when the interest on the debt is greater than the entire budget? Bankruptcy?

[msc545]

No idea and don't care.

[exitseven]

You will care when all your money becomes worthless overnight.

[msc545]

Yeah that's not going to happen. That's just a disaster fantasy

[exitseven]

@msc545 thats what they said in 1929

[msc545]

That was a completely different problem in 1929. It had nothing to do with the national debt.

[RealMarek]

It is different from 1929 and the consequences will play out gradually. One direct consequence is forcing the banks to hold large amounts of treasury bonds since Dodd-Frank, which was written when interest rates were 0%. This helped soak up debt that used to be taken by foreign governments. However, the banks are in serious trouble because, as should have been entirely foreseeable but was not for our political class, interest rates went up, radically decreasing the value of the bonds that were supposed to be safe assets. Given that interest rates have fluctuated on a multi-generational cycle since before the Revolution and will trend up for many more decades, the bonds that are supposed to be the safe assets for the banks will never regain their value.

Also, thanks to Dodd-Frank, there is a mechanism to “bail in” the banks by confiscating depositors’ cash and giving them shares in the banks. We can expect this to be used during the inevitable banking crisis and it will be a horrible problem for many people with money in the large banks. This is probably the first of many problems related to the debt.

Debt is always paid one way or another. The US is no exception.

[Twalli]

Thry wqntvthe government shut down to appoint people they know would never pass a Congressional review

[BuggerBoy]

I find Trump a top-tier leader. He is so realistic and prioritize only America. I look forward to his second presidential term. He will be good for both America and the rest of the world.

[Anonymous]

They are cutting important things to fund some bulltsh*t they plan.

[Graptemys79]

How can Trump do anything yet, as he is not in office until January 20, 2025.

[IamRight]

This a great thing.

[IamRight]

Very happy they shut it down

[Staximus]

It's time to curb government spending

[seeyounexttuesday]

hell yeah.

[beefcakebradybatson]

MUCK FUSK AND TUCK FRUMP !!!

[Pterodon]

Good thing