Will Joe Biden pardon himself?

[exitseven]

Joe Biden pardoned many of the criminals that worked in his administration including a murderer. He pardoned the so called Jan 6th committee including Liz Cheney. He also pardoned Mark Mlley and Dr. Fauci. He pardoned the entire Capitol police department including the person that murdered Ashlee Babbitt.

Also of note is that he waited until the night before he was to leave office to deliver this final middle finger to the American people. He still has over an hour left as president. Will he pardon himself?

Goodbye Joe

Updates

10 mo

He pardoned the other members of the Biden crime family early on Monday morning.

[AviatorTom]

As I write this, he is only President for one more hour. He hasn't pardoned himself yet, and I doubt that he will. Joe knows that would set a very dangerous precedent.

[AviatorTom]

I just learned that Joe pardoned his whole family foe whatever crimes they may have committed against the United States up to today, just minutes before his Presidency ended, but he did not pardon himself. None of them have been charged with any crime.

To me, this is total abuse of power. I do not understand how it's legal to pardon someone for something they haven't been charged with. I'd like to see a court case to see if doing that is legal.

[exitseven]

@AviatorTom Yes, he pardoned the whole Biden Crime Family hours before his term ran out. The only logical explanation that I can think of as to why did he not pardon himself is that he forgot to do it.

[AviatorTom]

@exitseven Or maybe he ran out of time. The report I saw said that he was at the Capitol, waiting to enter the Rotunda, when he pardoned his family. That's only about 30 minutes before his time as President expired.

[AviatorTom]

Thanks for MHO

[Dargil]

Too late.

[razelove]

I highly doubt it. Even if he were indicted for a crime, or crimes, the trial could be drug out for the rest of his natural life. Just sentencing alone and the logistics of where to stuff him and how to have secret service on him would drag on for years.

Trump's indictments were somewhat unique because there are so many people that are rabidly hostile towards him in positions of power. Many people dislike, and actively hate Joe Biden, but there is no organized machine to turn that hate and discontent into action.

Despite all of the, let's say strange things around him. No one investigated, even his son's crimes were largely ignored. He has no need to pardon himself, the machine protects him already, and he pardoned pretty much anyone that would testify against him.

[WhiteSteve]

Nothing is off the table and I would hold nothing against him at this point, given the nefarious actors about to take over. We attempted to hold Trump accountable for crimes that it SURE looks like he committed. Life is a nightmare and the worst things always happen, so he’s completed evaded personal accountability due to a two-tiered (maybe even a new third MAGA tier) justice system where the rich get away with whatever they want. And this guy is a crazy fuck with no morals, values, or principles, only narcissism and megalomania —truly a monster of the modern world— so this guy actually WILL go after his political opponents. Every accusation is a confession with Trump and MAGA, that’s a key part of their playbook. Everything they’re doing wrong or desire to do wrong, they beat the opponents to the punch by lying and accusing THEM of doing the same shit. It’s brilliant, but wholly evil.

[Avicenna]

Ah, yes, the Democrats are so completely innocent that they can never possibly do anything illegal. How stupid are you?

The dumbest thing about the Democrats is pretending the Biden Crime Family aren't criminals- you can still support the idiotic Marxist agenda while admitting that they are other Democratic Party politicians are crooks- it's not like any of them are essential to it.

But there won't be any accountability for these Democrats- the whole party is a corrupt criminal organization supported by fools.

[Cookingnaked1126]

It's really funny, I can't remember Trump preemptively pardoning members of his family before he left his first term of office and using the paranoid excuse, "He's gonna weaponize the DOJ against us"! I also can't remember Trump being accused of being in cahoots with "big tech". I also can't remember people like you demanding people like Biden being held accountable for his crimes. Yes, having classified files in your possession is a federal crime! Especially when they're in a garage that is available to a crackhead son! Not to mention other unsecure locations and there is NO questions about it being illegal, because they were all from when Biden was a senator! He had NO legal authority to be in possession of them. PERIOD! You should work for CNN or be on The View lol

[OlderAndWiser]

I believe some of his behavior approaches the level of treason.

[Lliam]

I'm not sure if a president has the authority to pardon himself. If a president ever tried, the courts would have to determine if he had the authority.

As for the other pardons, I don't know how it is possible to pardon someone who hasn't yet been indicted for a crime or for any crimes that they may have committed in the past.
I thought pardons were for people who had already been convicted of crimes.

As far as I'm concerned, these pardons prove that Biden was a collaborator in major crimes. Fauci should be tried for crimes against humanity.

[Anonymous]

He also pardoned Anthony Fauci and all the members of the January 6th kangaroo Court.

I thought pardons were about forgiving a crime.

Per Wikipedia.

"A pardon is an executive order granting clemency for a conviction. It may be granted "at any time" after the commission of the crime. As per Justice Department regulations, convicted persons may only apply five or more years after their sentence has been completed."

And speaking of Jan 6th, why wasn't the video below all over the news?

https://www.youtube.com/embed/dtHUYpyi5-Y

[Anonymous]

did you see the video all over tv when Baron Trump shook Biden's hand and leaned in to say something? Looked like Biden pooped himself at whatever Baron said, and I think it was "you forgot to pardon yourself. But everyone is guessing at what was said.

But yeah, predictably there is a massive clip circulating with compiled democrats and "news media" talking about how "Trump's gonna pardon his whole family and that's abuse of power", from last time he was in office. But TRUMP never did. Now those same people are defending Biden's pardoning of his family who has yet to be charged with a crime. The only possible reason is that Biden knows what they all did. While he was in office, they prevented much of it from being investigated and now we will find the truth and not be able to hold any of them accountable for their treason. Just my humble opinion of course.

[exitseven]

What Biden didn't think about is that since his family has been pardoned they cannot plead the fifth, They can be subpoenaed and compelled to testify under oath. If they perjure themselves they can go to jail. Since the crime is committed after the pardon it does not apply. I think he will regret not pardoning himself. Now it is too late

[Opinion Owner]

yeah i think and hope you are right. So tired of everyone defending this over politics. If they are found to have committed treasonous acts, then we should ALL want justice. Not just those of us who don't vote democrat.

[shortster]

Do you know what the details are of the Fauci pardon? Was it like Hunter's where it was for all crimes known and unknown for a period of time? Or just relating to the Pandemic? Also the justice department already said he was too old and feeble minded to be convicted; so why would he need to pardon himself?

[Avicenna]

I think the only reason why he didn't is that he's assuming there won't be a investigaton of him if all of his accomplices can't be prosecuted at the federal level, hence the overly broad pardons.

[Anonymous]

not much evidence, but rumor is during the inauguration before the hand over, he farted bad... and said "pardon me".

But that's rumor and we'll need a congressional investigation to figure out what crap really happened.

[msc545]

He has no need to pardon himself since he has done nothing wrong. The only criminal that is going to be in the White House is the convicted mentally ill felon you elected.

[Cormac995]

@msc545 Oh Biden is a criminal of his own breed don't kid yourself. Trump is the worst president in American history, but joe Biden was a cowardly weak spined coward too with mush for brains on top of all of it. Honestly, I didn't want to vote for Kamilla either, but she was the only alternative to Trump.

[msc545]

@Cormac995 What crimes did Biden commit other than displeasing you and disliking Trump?

[Cormac995]

When I'm using the term crime, I'm referring to it in the same way that people say the medical CEO that Lugi was a criminal. He committed crimes against people under the cover of law. The genocide going on Ukraine didn't have to last this long or escalated this far but Biden dragged his heals constantly.

Aid that was passed in the senet (Finally! Fuck Mike Johnson! He's just Trumps personal cock gobbler.) was sent at a snail's pace repetitively arriving too late to make a big enough diffrence. Sanctions are Russia are still not tight enough and oil sanctions if done early would have ended the war last year.

Instead, Biden let Russian oil flow dodging the sanctions because it would look bad for gas prices to go up and when Ukraine started striking Russian gas factory's and started seeing genuine progress, he bullied Ukraine into stopping because again "Those precious gas prices".

I dread to think how many Ukrainian people are dead that didn't have to be right now because of our government and noodle backbone president. Is this completely Bidens fault? No but he had a lot more that he could have done and he didn't do it because of image and greed and now a lot of people are fucking dead.

[msc545]

@Cormac995 Yes, Biden let the genocide in Gazago go on far too long and helped it by selling arms to Israel - which was just a giveaway to US war contractors.

[Cormac995]

I'm talking about the genocide in Ukraine not the war in Palestine. I won't deny war crimes are happening there and that there needs to be accountability for them. Netyahu is a dictator and needs to be tried for war crimes and human rights abuses BUT the war is justified and frankly while the suffering is sad I care more that these terrorist groups are wiped out than I do about the suffering they're enduring.

[msc545]

@Cormac995 Unfortunately the "terror group" that is being wiped out consists of Palestinian civilians. How do you feel about that?

[Cormac995]

After 9/11, the multiple European terrorist attacks, Iran trying to build nukes and witnessing a beheading video of two gay lovers having their heads sawed off with combat knives I see it as unfortunate collateral damage in a necessary war that was provoked by a terrorist organization. Hamas and Hezbollah both have it coming.

I won't deny war crimes are happening but that's (almost) always the terrorist fault. What are they supposed to do when terrorist fire RPGs out of a hospital window at their people? Not shoot back and let them kill them? When one of the most wanted terrorists in the world is hiding in a refugee camp do you just let him go after he killed thousands because you unfortunately have to take a few civilians that are in the wrong place at the right time?

With HAMAS, Hezbollah the Taliban we've seen this all before. The go out of their way to get as many civilians killed breaking every single rule in the Geneva convention as a means of war. They use child soldiers and their own families as living human shields. Islam is evil, it's a cult not a religion just because it pretends to be a faith and not a hate movement doesn't change the fact its eviler and more done more damage than the nazis.

[Cormac995]

I feel bad for the civilians dying in the crossfire but what do you want from people fighting a war in an urban jungle where every single woman they see with a swaddling cloth could have a baby or could have a bomb. People don't understand the way these monsters fight their crazy Jihad the vast majority of these civilian deaths are the terrorists fault forcing soldier to choose between letting someone who killed thousands free to go so he can kill thousands more or kill him now getting justice for his victims and stop him from doing it again but unfortunately his family goes with him in the drone strike?

What do you want from soldiers that have to live everyday knowing every single person around you could jump out and suicide bomb themself as so as they get too close. How are you supposed to fight a war like this without collateral damage when you have to choose in a split second "Does that 12-year-old have a stick or a gun in his hands.

Netanyahu is a dictator and he's using this war to extend his term even further I'm not blind to that and I'm also not blind that he's a war criminal along with many others, but the war is an unfortunate necessity. I'm on Isreal's side not Netanyahu and not their government I stand with the people, and they have had to deal with this long enough.

[Cormac995]

For crying out loud HAMAS has already seized all the aid we brought the refugees with this peace deal took it for themselves. We gave back hundreds of Terrorist POW and all the aid they need to rebuild their forces and attack again. This is one of the worst peace deals in human history and I will hate Biden till the day I die for what he's done with this game of thrones bullshit he was playing.

[msc545]

@Cormac995 You don't handle this by killing every civilian you see, which is what the Israelis are doing.

[Cormac995]

No, it's not and it's not even close to that. I don't know where you heard this, but I've been following the war and Ukraine and the war in Gaza since the day they both broke out. Nasty shit is happening, but you are oversimplifying this far too much and this Idea that a deliberate genocide against Muslims is inaccurate. To give you some idea of how chaotic, panicked and unpredictable this kind of fighting is the current deaths due to friendly fire is 13%. If 13% of the guys they kill are their own and things are that desperate and hard how much more complicated do you think it gets when you're actually dealing with the enemy.

This is like mad max warfare dude this isn't normal combat. It's grueling ugly and brutal on both sides even when the Isreal's do their best to mitigate that.

[msc545]

Except that Israel is doing this with equipment that they bought from US defense contractors and that equipment is extremely modern and very efficient. What they are doing is wholesale killing of anything and everyone that moves that isn't Israeli. This is similar in many ways to what Hitler did to the Jews, ironically.

[Cormac995]

this entire sentience is simply inaccurate as I mentioned above save the fact they're using modern US weapons, and I mean why wouldn't they? We have a booming defense industry and the best weapons in the world. FFS Russia would by our stuff if we let them.

This isn't a genocide it's an ugly war but what they've done in Gaza is nothing what Hamas would do to them if they win. You're clearly not listening to anything I say though because you have some kind or weird sympathy for people who would be happy to murder you because you're not part of their cult.

[msc545]

@Cormac995 Yes, those wonderful weapons are being used to kill civilians as well as members of Hamas. I listening to what you say and none of it justifies genocide. Israel is doing this because they want the land, and they will resettle the land with Israelis after they kill all civilians that live there which is what they're doing now. The US is helping them while propping up the US war industry.

Nothing you can say will justify this.

[Cormac995]

you keep using the word genocide but it's inaccurate. As bad as it may be even negligence isn't genocide. It's only genocide if it's a directly coordinated and systematic form of exicution and persicution. They're not rounding them up in forced labor camps and they're not going door to door hunting down and killing every Muslim. THATS genocide this is a brutal war the media has fucked the truth out of because they want headlines at the cost of truth. Throwing words around like genocide this way is why nobody takes anyone seriously anymore when someone calls them a Nazi. Use words right or don't use them because you de value the word and it's power.

Yes, war crimes are happening, but you know what? The terrorists are responsible for almost all of it. They do everything in their power to cause collateral damage because they know it plucks on the heartstrings of people like you. Sympathize with them if you want all that means is your falling for Islamic terrorist propaganda.

Next time we have terrorist attack that shakes the nation I hope your feeling of moral superiority keeps you nice and happy since most people will be devastated. Comparing the actions of Isreal to those of the terrorists is not just inaccurate it's insulting and a lot of it is rooted in antisemitic conspiracies if you trace the sources back on a lot of this stuff.

[msc545]

@Cormac995 Nope - there are several definitions of genocide, non of which mandate the need for "camps". Here is one from the Geneva convention:

"a crime committed with the intent to destroy a national, ethnic, racial or religious group, in whole or in part."

Here is one from the Oxford EnglishDictionary:

"the deliberate killing of a large number of people from a particular nation or ethnic group with the aim of destroying that nation or group."

So do not tell me what is happening isn't genocide - it fucking damn well is.

[msc545]

by the way, I'm a Jew, so don't barrage me with any of your "antisemitic" crap since you have no idea what that is.

[exitseven]

Biden is up , to his eyeballs in bribes from foreign countries. He is pardoning everyone in his family so none of them will flip on him in exchange for immunity. This last cowardly act is a fitting end to a disgraceful, corrupt presidency that will always be remembered as the worst in history. Watching him sit yesterday at the swearing in ceremony a bitter , broken shell of a man knowing that his legacy is one of incompetence and shame brought me little comfort knowing that he and his whole corrupt administration will get to ride off into the sunset with their ill gotten gains.

[msc545]

Prove it or stop making empty accusations. Enough now don't you think? You got exactly what you wanted.

[Cormac995]

And yet I keep telling you why this isn't a genocide because it's not systematic in any sense. I can keep saying all day long that this is collateral damage for the most part and as I said I don't disagree that war crimes are happening but not every soldier in Isreal including in their command structure is a monster. War is barbaric by nature and the conditions of this war make massive collateral damage impossible to avoid.

Are some war crimes being committed? Yes. Does their need to be accountability for those war crimes. Yes, but this is not a systematic slaughter with the intention of destroying the ethnic group. I have no doubt there are actors in the field and the government that advocate for a genocide of them but that is not the majority position of the People of Isreal, The army of Isreal or even the state of Isreal as a whole.

This isn't a genocidal war meant to destroy all Muslims, it's a messy complicated ungly war with no clear heroes. Do I agree with everything Isreal has done? No absolutely not but like I said 13% of their casualties have been friendly fire so how much harder do you think it is to Identify an enemy that actually is a Muslim?

[Cormac995]

I remember 9/11 I remember the terrorist attacks in France, and I remember being forced to watch a video of terrorists enforcing Sheria law against two gay lovers by screaming god is good before sawing their heads off and holding them in the air by their hair screaming "God is good" As blood drips from the heads. My father-in-law was a 1st responder during 9/11 and my mother lives in fear that every time he gets a checkup, he might have lung cancer because he spent days breathing in those fumes digging through the rubble trying to find survivors and instead finding corpse after corpse.

This isn't Russia in Ukraine where orders of Genocide are coming from the top down of every single military official it's a mixed bag of ugly fighting between two countries that have hated each other for centuries but since you're Jewish you're more than well aware of that. I admit I also respect you being sympathetic to a group of people who would happily see you dead, I may think it's stupid, but I can't deny it shows you have a caring heart, so I admit if nothing else I like that about you.

Still at the end of the day I do not agree with using the term genocide even with those definitions and when I said that I wasn't saying it was the only way to commit genocide I was giving examples that's part of why I mentioned the door to door cleansings that happens in the middle east and Rwanda a lot with the bitter fighting between ethnic groups.

Also I know what the word antisemitic means but I admit I don't know what it "really means" I'm not Jewish I'm an average white guy. I know what it's like to get treated like crap in fact I even know what it feels like to be treated like crap because of my race cause I've had it happen but I'm not going to pretend the discrimination I've faced can compare to Jews or black Americans it's a whole different can of worms. I won't pretend to truly understand antisemitism beyond the definition of the word since I've never experienced it.

[Cormac995]

At the end of the day what it comes down to is there is no nice way to wage war and it's even harder in this kind of war, but I disagree largely with the way this war is being portrayed in the media as opposed to the fighting on the ground actually goes. They have overblown the worst parts of this as propaganda to their audience because "If it bleeds, it leads."

I'm on the side of Isreal. The state has a right to exist and the people deserve to not be butchered like livestock. Given what the terrorists have done to them and what they've done to me and my countrymen I'm willing to be pretty forgiving if it stops HAMAS, Hezbollah and Iran. If we're really lucky they'll get the Taliban too.

As bad as things are in Gaza if the situations were reversed this would be an unprecedented in its brutality and cruelty and we know that because these groups have said themselves "We will make what the Nazi's did look like nothing. They target children woman and civilians on purpose as their primary means of warfare war crimes are literally their strategy. I'm going to have a lot more sympathy with a nation fighting an enemy I hate in a war with such high stakes then I would for a nation that sees slavery, torture and murder as a form of justice and means of warfare.

[Cormac995]

When they stop using child soldiers, when they stop using suicide bombers, when they stop with false surrenders, when they stop with high jacking the aid meant for the people so they can use it in war, when they stop when they stop treating woman as slaves and livestock, when they stop using their own families and people as human shields, when they stop being one of the biggest sources of dangerous drugs, when they stop using hospitals and apartment blocks with civilians in it as a spot to shoot RPGs, when they stop acting like the dictionary definition of savages then we can talk about this all being Israels fault. Until these terrorist groups, ISIS, Hezbollah, Taliban, Houthi's etc. are gone or at least devastated for years to come. After everything they've done and still do, I'm will to be pretty patient.

[Cormac995]

3rd worst in history after trump one and now I'm sure 2

[sawno]

Anyone who answered yes congrats you are predictably correct.

[sawno]

Or wait, it may be he just pardoned his family and not himself in which case if he was involved in their crimes he should be investigated.

[Anonymous]

Thank you Biden for pardoning all these patriotic people who put America and the Constitution and the law first. As usual, Trump thinks he is above all those things.

[Opinion Owner]

I wonder if Trump will pardon any copkillers this term like he did his first so they can commit more crimes?
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[Sevenpointfive]

he basically exposed every democrat and politician for what they truly are

[jshm2]

Nothing to pardon himself for, hence your assertion is moot.

[Surely]

I guess that he did not. At least it hasn’t made the news. But he did pardon most of the other criminals to protect them!

[Twalli]

There was an actual January 6 committee and Adam Kinzinger didn't accept the pardon, because he did nothing illegal.

[loveslongnails]

And Scumpie pardoned the rioters. Your point? Do you ever have one?

[beefcakebradybatson]

For what? Losing to Trump? (Well, you may have a point !!!)

[Iron_Man]

He had a chance he should have done it.

[Miristheiss]

Eh, he'll probably be dead in a year.

[HungTexan]

Nobody cares about Biden anymore.

[DrPepper12]

No

But Trump will I mean would...

[douride2]

Isn't he running out of time to do that?

[Anonymous]

He doesn't require it.

[Wise4myage]

Because he knows he’s guilty.

[Dongie]

Screenshot moments, oh how I relish them!

[princeofromance]

What does he need to pardon himself for?

[Anonymous]

Probably not, he knows he'll die before the trial

[DryGermanGuy]

😴😴😴😴😴

[BarryLiverstone]

Nope